Jay-Z Says There’s No Shame in Success, Compares Being Called ‘Capitalist’ to the N-Word

[totto]

I disagree with this part. Economic power is why the Jews,Asians, and Gays have more power and influence than us in the US. Despite us doing the heavy lifting when it comes to organized protesting, these groups wield more power and influence because they have leveraged economics better.

Please list the people Jay Z “backstabbed” to get to the top.

Jews and Asians have a culture long before they stepped on American soil, we don't, white people told us to jump, we jumped.

Economics is important but having a solid base to build up on beats having none we have none, we'll get money and stunt or look down at each other so it's a big difference. You following white people logic without their history. It's not gonna work for us like it did for other groups. Capitalism won't save us, it's just gonna more Byron Allen's with white hoes, America will panic if we started coming together based of economics it will never happen. Look at this thread you gotta niggas praising Jay-Z for getting money economics won't save black people, culture and community will amd we worship cac money to even start to fix that.

 

[TIMEISMONEY]

Only a broke mf would be shaming somebody for making money. As long as you're not harming anyone along the way.....

 

[totto]

Only a broke mf would be shaming somebody for making money. As long as you're not harming anyone along the way.....

It's true the same reason y'all use the wors "broke" for any disagreement you have with a person we can debate about climate change you'll call someone a broke nigga for disagreeing with you lol. Literally you've become a consumer class with no family structure, support, nothing and once you lose you're ability to upkeep the syst by spending alot of money on a home, car, image you're expendable lol.

Then you screaming justice for Kenny who got murked by white cops without understanding that's not too far from being you once ya money runs lows.

Hispanics here in Miami living in roach filled homes, cheap as fuck and getting taken by scams at the flea market they never complain and cops don't kill them, literally working poor but family smd structure.

Wonder why their replacing you?

 

[TIMEISMONEY]

It's true the same reason y'all use the wors "broke" for any disagreement you have with a person we can debate about climate change you'll call someone a broke nigga for disagreeing with you lol. Literally you've become a consumer class with no family structure, support, nothing and once you lose you're ability to upkeep the syst by spending alot of money on a home, car, image you're expendable lol.

Then you screaming justice for Kenny who got murked by white cops without understanding that's not too far from being you once ya money runs lows.

Hispanics here in Miami living in roach filled homes, cheap as fuck and getting taken by scams at the flea market they never complain and cops don't kill them, literally working poor but family smd structure.

Wonder why their replacing you?

I get what you're saying, but shaming a black person in this society for making money is ridiculous

 

[tpotda]

punk rock started around that same time tho

This was meant to be a "what if" scenario where hip hop stays local and corporate interests never get involved.

Personally I think that scenario is very unlikely. Especially considering the time, place, and manner that hip-hop came up.

It was a time when the music industry took a huge dive. Disco was on its death bed and most of the rock bands weren't selling anywhere near what they did in the early seventies.

Record companies were desperate to find the next "big thing", especially if it didn't cost a lot to make. Hip Hop was perfect!

First you got a bunch of artists who are broke as hell so you don't really have to offer them that much. They're already living in the densest region of the United States which saves a lot of money and leg work for promotion. Shows are cheap because the only music equipment you have to manage is two turntables, a mixer, and a few microphones. You never have to worry about replacing a guitar string or drum skin in the middle of a set.

There was no way that corporate wasn't getting involved in this!

 

[Dannyblueyes]

punk rock started around that same time tho

Once again, punk is a very cheap form of music to record and promote. Same with New Wave which took off around the same time.

It's also one of the reasons why so much R&B from that era relies on drum machines and synthesizers. Drums are one of the most expensive and time consuming instruments to record and mix.

 

[tpotda]

the ppl i know that have that pov would take the trade off without those ppl you named especially since they don't even like them all. I know ppl that feel the same way with sneaker culture, skating/extreme sports, etc. All the subcultures basically theres always ppl that feel it got ruined once it went mainstream

Suppose you're right and hip Hop stays regional and corporate free. It's a niche culture that only exists on the Eastern seaboard.

Now you have no Dre, pac, Kanye, Eminem or OutKast. Most of the rappers who pushed the art forward would have never known to pick up a microphone in the first place. Groups like Whodini that signed a foreign labels never would have existed either.

Considering some of the terrible one-sided deals that a lot of early rappers signed I really have to question how well this independent economy would have worked. Especially since most rappers didn't have the resources to get something like this off the ground in the first place.

At least gogo musicians had other lanes to make music. If you're a keyboardist who can't find a go-go gig you can still play for a funk band, rock band, R&B group, etc. All else fails you can teach.

Most rappers don't have those options, especially back in the day when most people outside the culture didn't even consider rap to be music.

 

[RoadRage]

In the black community if you call yourself a Capitalist, folks ganna look at you sideways.
But if you say your a Boss, CEO or an Entrepreneur then you gonna get hugs and kisses.

 

[Supersav]

I disagree with this part. Economic power is why the Jews,Asians, and Gays have more power and influence than us in the US. Despite us doing the heavy lifting when it comes to organized protesting, these groups wield more power and influence because they have leveraged economics better.

Please list the people Jay Z “backstabbed” to get to the top.

Start with the Honduran workers who made his rocawear clothes for two dollars an hour

 

[Supersav]

In the black community if you call yourself a Capitalist, folks ganna look at you sideways.
But if you say your a Boss, CEO or an Entrepreneur then you gonna get hugs and kisses.

Neither are capitalist. Bosses and CEOs don't own the means of production. They are workers

 

[RoadRage]

Neither are capitalist. Bosses and CEOs don't own the means of production. They are workers

Technically capitalist is a generic term for anyone living and operating in a capitalist society (including the workers), similar to a communist being a person living in a communist society. But you get my point.

 

[^SpiderMan^]

Start with the Honduran workers who made his rocawear clothes for two dollars an hour

They were getting paid the going rate in Honduras. The Honduraneans weren’t complaining about their wages. Americans are usually the ones complaining about the cheaper labor in other countries. It certainly wouldn’t have been better for Honduraneans if the factory was moved from Honduras to the US.

 

[ShortyCumStain]

Dawg wants a pat on da back for being rich/wealthy and trying to hide it behind Blackness under da veil of making claims that being called a capitalist (which is what he has ALWAYS proudly been) is da equivalent of bein' called a "*******" to shield himself from criticism. It's not da first time dude has come off as being insecure.

Are you capeing for the 1% ?

That's exactly what he's doing.

 

[Joe Money]

This was meant to be a "what if" scenario where hip hop stays local and corporate interests never get involved.

Personally I think that scenario is very unlikely. Especially considering the time, place, and manner that hip-hop came up.

It was a time when the music industry took a huge dive. Disco was on its death bed and most of the rock bands weren't selling anywhere near what they did in the early seventies.

Record companies were desperate to find the next "big thing", especially if it didn't cost a lot to make. Hip Hop was perfect!

First you got a bunch of artists who are broke as hell so you don't really have to offer them that much. They're already living in the densest region of the United States which saves a lot of money and leg work for promotion. Shows are cheap because the only music equipment you have to manage is two turntables, a mixer, and a few microphones. You never have to worry about replacing a guitar string or drum skin in the middle of a set.

There was no way that corporate wasn't getting involved in this!

It took at least 10 years for "corporate" to get involved in hip-hop though.

 

[Dannyblueyes]

It took at least 10 years for "corporate" to get involved in hip-hop though.

I don't know about that. Curtis Blow had a corporate record deal back in 1979. In the early to mid 80s you had a whole bunch of breakdance movies that were either made or distributed by corporations and so forth.

If you and your friends make $5 from a lemonade stand corporate is going to try to get it on the action.

 

[Dannyblueyes]

the ppl i know that have that pov would take the trade off without those ppl you named especially since they don't even like them all. I know ppl that feel the same way with sneaker culture, skating/extreme sports, etc. All the subcultures basically theres always ppl that feel it got ruined once it went mainstream

That's great when you're in high school or college, but what about after that?

How many rappers are willing to stay up all night in the cypher when they clocked off in 8 hours shift and had to hire a babysitter? Even if you can show up how do you find the time to properly prepare? Eventually the pressures and responsibility of life drive you to the point where the culture you would live and die for isn't that important.

The only way to break this cycle is to make rapping a full time job. It's not that straightforward and far easier said than done, but thanks to mainstream acceptance at least it's possible.

 

[Supersav]

They were getting paid the going rate in Honduras. The Honduraneans weren’t complaining about their wages. Americans are usually the ones complaining about the cheaper labor in other countries. It certainly wouldn’t have been better for Honduraneans if the factory was moved from Honduras to the US.

In 2003, the Institute for Global Labor and Human Rights found that the factory producing clothes for Rocawear in Honduras was violating basic human rights, firing workers who tried to unionize, and firing pregnant women because their hands weren’t small enough.

 

[^SpiderMan^]

In 2003, the Institute for Global Labor and Human Rights found that the factory producing clothes for Rocawear in Honduras was violating basic human rights, firing workers who tried to unionize, and firing pregnant women because their hands weren’t small enough.

The whole point of doing business in an underdeveloped country is to avoid unions and the corresponding higher labor costs. The pregnant women’s hands issue seems sensational.

 

[Supersav]

The whole point of doing business in an underdeveloped country is to avoid unions and the corresponding higher labor costs. The pregnant women’s hands issue seems sensational.

In other words exploitation ie capitalism..yes I know.

 

[^SpiderMan^]

In other words exploitation ie capitalism..yes I know.

Most, if not all of the clothing you have on right now was made in another country.

 

[ShortyCumStain]

His point is that no matter what words you use to try and derail the train, it’ll never be strong enough to stop us from being great.

I see nothing wrong with what he said.

Folks been callin' da 1% capitalists for YEARS. This shit ain't start with him nor is it a Black issue.

 

[jremi]

The class war isnt being waged by the masses. Its being waged by the 1% ( really .01%). I agree with some of what you are saying but it gets tiring hearing people who point out the inequities of the system being labelled as engaging in a class war when the reality is the complete opposite.

Its like hearing talk of a coming race war as if slavery, colonialism and Jim Crow didnt happen. Like its only a war when others decide to fight back against their oppression. Race war been happening for hundreds of years.

Realest post in this thread. Five stars sir.

 

[Supersav]

Most, if not all of the clothing you have on right now was made in another country.

Again I fully understand how capitalism works. The difference is im not using their labor to make myself wealthy.

 

[^SpiderMan^]

Again I fully understand how capitalism works. The difference is im not using their labor to make myself wealthy.

You are using their labor for comfort and to save a few dollars while pointing the finger at Jay for using their labor to make more money.

 

[Supersav]

You are using their labor for comfort and to save a few dollars while pointing the finger at Jay for using their labor to make more money.

The fact that you think that's a comparison is my signal to end this conversation

 

[RUDY RAYYY MO]

Did you forget that Jay has ALWAYS talked that capitalist shit. He has been the same dude from day 1 and never said he was anything else.

Being a drug dealer is true capitalism and he took full advantage.

If he would have gotten locked up instead of becoming a billionaire, yall would have said he was the realest nigga ever.

True. But the nigga was nothing but a corner boy

 

[trappstarr82]

True. But the nigga was nothing but a corner boy

According to Dehaven, Bleek, Calvin Klein etc. he was more than just a corner boy. He started on the corner and advanced.

He might not have been a kingpin but he was moving weight.

 

[Supersav]

 

[Supersav]

All that money talk and can't even see how much the brand you promote is making..

 

[ViCiouS]

 

[Supersav]

In the documents seen by TMZ (but not by the drinks business), SC Liquor allegedly wishes to see all books and records as well as a full breakdown of the locations of all warehouses storing D’Ussé bottles and accessories.

 

[trappstarr82]

All that money talk and can't even see how much the brand you promote is making..

Money talk? I think he really has money. I could be wrong though.

 

[tallblacknyc]

All that money talk and can't even see how much the brand you promote is making..

The funny thing is somehow due to this a hood rumor has been spread out that jay z is suing Bacardi cause he found out that they been putting their dark rum into Düsse bottles.. I was like wtf how did this dumbass rumor started.. some people stopped drinking Düsse cause they think it’s Bacardi rum in the bottles smh.. I actually heard some 20/30ish people say this shit.. I was like have you ever tried dark Bacardi b4 ? It taste nothing like Düsse so how would you not be able to tell the difference if the rumor was true.. somehow they sticking to the lie instead of testing out the facts..this yr dusse.. last yr was the fake henny rumors about certain bottles have a certain color stamp on it smh.. where do some of these rumors come from

 

[dbluesun]

Capitalist and no moral opportunist are 2 diff things.. ask him about selling out Brooklyn.. ask him about re-releasing an albulm and going on tour with a known pedo that had vids of his exploits.. that’s not a capitalist that’s a no moral opportunist

please elaborate

 

[Supersav]