Jay-Z Says He Uses Biggie's Rhymes So People Won't Forget About Him
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what about all the other niggas that aint dead that he used rhymes??
He uses those rhymes because them cats have been forgotten.
Why hate?
No different than Kobe using Mike's fadeaway
No different than Kobe using Mike's fadeaway
They aren't the same
but yet ya forgetting that every artist that used a sample of jay's voice had a hit record
..imitation is a part of music..
jay got as many quotables as biggie..and more than any other artist in the game
..imitation is a part of music..jay got as many quotables as biggie..and more than any other artist in the game
which one of yall gonna trade verses with Jay tho?
incorrect thread title anyway
incorrect thread title anyway
Gtfoh u have to have a skill set talent and physical ability to do that mj anything....anybody with rhythm can say biggie lyrics
We aren't rappers.
he would never do that shit joe budden would be all over that shit if he was serious lol
Appar-ently right? Down in Jeezy video
I shoulda kissed you on the cheek, you a pretty ho (ask Weezy, Weezy was there)
I shoulda kissed you on the cheek, you a pretty ho (ask Weezy, Weezy was there)
I was clownin damn this rap shit is serious
Biggie died and nobody can tell me it didn't add to his glory and legacy. Same with Pac
Jay is still alive and even if he says a Big line in loving memory of the man, most niggas will take it as bitin
He gets paid
dumb asses argue over the shit
Here's some bitin' ass Jay for the masses
"As “Fair Use” doctrine would dictate, Jay-Z is at his best when his Biggie-bites are transformative:
Biggie starts his verse brilliantly on “World Is Filled”:
When the Rémy’s in the system
Ain’t no telling, “When I fuck em, will I diss em?"
That’s what these hoes yelling
I’m a pimp by blood, not relation
Y'all still chase ‘em, I replace 'em
Drunk off Dom…
On “I Just Wanna Love You”, Jay-Z copies these venerable words verbatim — but the change begins with the favored champagne brand and ultimately crescendos in a glorious bit of ringtone-rap karaoke imagery (and another allusion, this time to R&B singer Carl Thomas):
…Drunk off Crys, mommy on E
Can’t keep her little model-hands off me
And we’re both in the club singing off-key
“And I wish I never met her at all!”
Biggie also discovered the biblical-sounding “Sycamore”/“Sicker/More” homophone; on “You’re Nobody Till Somebody Kills You”:
With my sycamore style, more sicker than yours
Jay-Z artfully recontextualizes the homophone on “December 4th”, ironically giving the line a more original feel by making it a part of his own Story of Creation:
I was conceived by Gloria Carter and Adnis Reeves
Who made love under the sycamore tree
Which made me a more sicker MC (etc.)
Then, there are the borrowings that are more difficult to rationalize…
Biggie on “Kick in the Door”:
Your reign on the top was short like leprechauns
As I crush so-called Willies, thugs and rapper dons
Jay-Z on “The Ruler’s Back”:
Your reign on the top was shorter than leprechauns
You can’t fuck with Hov, what kind of X you on?
The minimal, non-transformative alterations don’t add any value to Biggie’s original; rather, they suspiciously serve to mask the line’s origin…
Biggie on “You’re Nobody Till Somebody Kills You” (Jay must really like this song!):
Stop your blood-clot crying
The kids, the dog, everybody dying, no lying
which Jay-Z bites unaltered on “D.O.A.”:
Stop your blood-clot crying
The kid, the dog, everybody dying, no lying
And so on and so on. Jay claims he’s honoring Biggie, but the untransformed, verbatim bites seem to stifle creativity; at times, he seems to use Biggie lines as filler, which is disrespectful to B.I.G. and Jay both."
lol this cac has it down packed! I love the net
But as always the Cac will sell out for a piece of the Jew's pie, and convince others to follow Jay-Z's path even though he is biting...
"One could contend that Jay is trying to draw attention to lesser-known jewels through his knock-offery. But an amateur rap audience is unlikely to catch the reference, tending to give Jay-Z credit for clever lines that are actually Biggie’s. To make matters worse, Jay-Z’s Biggie-bites are most often found in his radio-designed singles, which command a novice audience.
However, rap is an art form rich with allusion; the entire genre is built on the back of ‘70s R&B, funk and soul, and you don’t hear a peep of complaint out of them, now do you?
Every rapper steals! Cam'ron copies Jay lines; Kanye steals from Ghostface…it’s all in the game. In fact, rappers bite so many lyrics that XXL Magazine dedicates a section of each issue to calling “rhyme-biters”.
One can make the argument that rap — like China — is a space where plagiarism simply doesn’t exist; Jay-Z is respecting Biggie by interpolating the narratives, regardless of whether every suburbanite white kid who dances along to “I Just Wanna Luv U” appreciates the reference.
What’s more, Jay-Z has 11 #1 albums and has been consistently putting out great music since Reasonable Doubt was released in 1996…who cares if he stole a few Biggie lines here and there? He’s rich!"
This shit is a never-ending soap opera can't wait for Watch The Throne I know both them niggas gonna bite hard
Biggie died and nobody can tell me it didn't add to his glory and legacy. Same with Pac
Jay is still alive and even if he says a Big line in loving memory of the man, most niggas will take it as bitin
He gets paid
dumb asses argue over the shit
Here's some bitin' ass Jay for the masses
"As “Fair Use” doctrine would dictate, Jay-Z is at his best when his Biggie-bites are transformative:
Biggie starts his verse brilliantly on “World Is Filled”:
When the Rémy’s in the system
Ain’t no telling, “When I fuck em, will I diss em?"
That’s what these hoes yelling
I’m a pimp by blood, not relation
Y'all still chase ‘em, I replace 'em
Drunk off Dom…
On “I Just Wanna Love You”, Jay-Z copies these venerable words verbatim — but the change begins with the favored champagne brand and ultimately crescendos in a glorious bit of ringtone-rap karaoke imagery (and another allusion, this time to R&B singer Carl Thomas):
…Drunk off Crys, mommy on E
Can’t keep her little model-hands off me
And we’re both in the club singing off-key
“And I wish I never met her at all!”
Biggie also discovered the biblical-sounding “Sycamore”/“Sicker/More” homophone; on “You’re Nobody Till Somebody Kills You”:
With my sycamore style, more sicker than yours
Jay-Z artfully recontextualizes the homophone on “December 4th”, ironically giving the line a more original feel by making it a part of his own Story of Creation:
I was conceived by Gloria Carter and Adnis Reeves
Who made love under the sycamore tree
Which made me a more sicker MC (etc.)
Then, there are the borrowings that are more difficult to rationalize…
Biggie on “Kick in the Door”:
Your reign on the top was short like leprechauns
As I crush so-called Willies, thugs and rapper dons
Jay-Z on “The Ruler’s Back”:
Your reign on the top was shorter than leprechauns
You can’t fuck with Hov, what kind of X you on?
The minimal, non-transformative alterations don’t add any value to Biggie’s original; rather, they suspiciously serve to mask the line’s origin…
Biggie on “You’re Nobody Till Somebody Kills You” (Jay must really like this song!):
Stop your blood-clot crying
The kids, the dog, everybody dying, no lying
which Jay-Z bites unaltered on “D.O.A.”:
Stop your blood-clot crying
The kid, the dog, everybody dying, no lying
And so on and so on. Jay claims he’s honoring Biggie, but the untransformed, verbatim bites seem to stifle creativity; at times, he seems to use Biggie lines as filler, which is disrespectful to B.I.G. and Jay both."
lol this cac has it down packed! I love the net
But as always the Cac will sell out for a piece of the Jew's pie, and convince others to follow Jay-Z's path even though he is biting...
"One could contend that Jay is trying to draw attention to lesser-known jewels through his knock-offery. But an amateur rap audience is unlikely to catch the reference, tending to give Jay-Z credit for clever lines that are actually Biggie’s. To make matters worse, Jay-Z’s Biggie-bites are most often found in his radio-designed singles, which command a novice audience.
However, rap is an art form rich with allusion; the entire genre is built on the back of ‘70s R&B, funk and soul, and you don’t hear a peep of complaint out of them, now do you?
Every rapper steals! Cam'ron copies Jay lines; Kanye steals from Ghostface…it’s all in the game. In fact, rappers bite so many lyrics that XXL Magazine dedicates a section of each issue to calling “rhyme-biters”.
One can make the argument that rap — like China — is a space where plagiarism simply doesn’t exist; Jay-Z is respecting Biggie by interpolating the narratives, regardless of whether every suburbanite white kid who dances along to “I Just Wanna Luv U” appreciates the reference.
What’s more, Jay-Z has 11 #1 albums and has been consistently putting out great music since Reasonable Doubt was released in 1996…who cares if he stole a few Biggie lines here and there? He’s rich!"
This shit is a never-ending soap opera can't wait for Watch The Throne I know both them niggas gonna bite hard
Game and Offisir Ricky been name dropping on every album and not actually saying shit...
and I dont hear NUTTIN form the peanut gallery
HOW IRONIC, you bit this WHOLE PASSAGE IN BLUE FROM THIS SITE:
http://rapgenius.com/posts/Jay-z-recycling-biggie-s-rhymes-biting-allusion-unaware-or-public-domain
Wbf>>>>>>>>
Let me piggyback this adopting thing.
Kanye as a producer adopted the Last Poets rant from ATCQ's, "Excursions" for "The Corner." Not original but he got that ideal from that.
There are so many references or odes that newer hip hop/ rap fans know little about.
Jay Z too, is far from innocent in this realm, beyond Big.
Kanye as a producer adopted the Last Poets rant from ATCQ's, "Excursions" for "The Corner." Not original but he got that ideal from that.
There are so many references or odes that newer hip hop/ rap fans know little about.
Jay Z too, is far from innocent in this realm, beyond Big.
I don't get the issue. It's not like dude is using lyrics from some hidden archives of verses that have never been release claiming they are his. He's using lines that obviously have been heard so it's not like he's doing some secret plagerism and trying to hide the evidence. 
I don't get the issue. It's not like dude is using lyrics from some hidden archives of verses that have never been release claiming they are his. He's using lines that obviously have been heard so it's not like he's doing some secret plagerism and trying to hide the evidence.
Exactly.
Muhfuckas just need somethin' to complain about.
this shouldn't have been in blue...
lol this cac has it down packed! I love the net
But as always the Cac will sell out for a piece of the Jew's pie, and convince others to follow Jay-Z's path even though he is biting...
Read first, find fault later
I put in quotations everything I DO NOT write
But for the sake of the thread...
"I'm not a biter! I'm a writer for myself and others...When I say a Big verse I'm only biggin up my BGOL brothers!"
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