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Jay-Z and Live Nation Alliance as New Model for Music Sales

By JEFF LEEDS

LOS ANGELES — In a move that reflects the anarchy sweeping the music business, the superstar rapper Jay-Z, who released his latest album to lukewarm sales five months ago, is on the verge of closing a deal with a concert promoter that rivals the biggest music contracts ever awarded.

Jay-Z plans to depart his longtime record label, Def Jam, for a roughly $150 million package with the concert giant Live Nation that includes financing for his own entertainment venture, in addition to recordings and tours for the next decade. The pact, expected to be finalized this week, is the most expansive deal yet from Live Nation, which has angled to compete directly with the industry’s established music labels in a scrum over the rights to distribute recordings, sell concert tickets, market merchandise and control other aspects of artists’ careers.

As CD sales plunge, an array of players — including record labels, promoters and advertisers — are racing to secure deals that cut them in on a larger share of an artist’s overall revenue. Live Nation has already struck less comprehensive pacts with Madonna and U2.

In Jay-Z, Live Nation has lined up with a longtime star who, after toiling as a self-described hustler on the streets of Brooklyn, earned acclaim as a rapper and cachet as a mogul.

Live Nation’s core business has revolved around major rock and country tours, and with Jay-Z it is making an unexpected foray into hip-hop. The company is also placing an enormous wager on a performer who, like many others, has experienced declining record sales. (Last year’s “American Gangster” sold one million copies in the United States; “The Black Album,” from 2003, sold well over three million.)

But the arrangement would also position Live Nation to participate in a range of new deals with Jay-Z, one of music’s most entrepreneurial stars, whose past ventures have included the Rocawear clothing line, which he sold last year for $204 million, and the chain of 40/40 nightclubs.

Jay-Z, 38, whose real name is Shawn Carter, owes one more studio album to Def Jam, where he was president for three years before stepping down in December after he and the label’s corporate parent, Universal Music Group, could not agree on a more lucrative contract.

His first undertaking with Live Nation is his current 28-date tour with Mary J. Blige, his biggest live outing in more than three years. After that, Live Nation envisions integrating the marketing of all Jay-Z’s entertainment endeavors, including recordings, tours and endorsements.

“I’ve turned into the Rolling Stones of hip-hop,” Jay-Z said in a recent telephone interview.

The deal answers a question that had been circling through the rap world for months: Where would Jay-Z take his next corporate role? As part of the arrangement, Live Nation would finance the start-up of a venture that would be an umbrella for his outside projects, which are expected to include his own label, music publishing, and talent consulting and managing. Live Nation is expected to contribute $5 million a year in overhead for five years, with another $25 million available to finance Jay-Z’s acquisitions or investments, according to people in the music industry briefed on the agreement. The venture, to be called Roc Nation, will split profits with Live Nation.

The overall package for Jay-Z also includes an upfront payment of $25 million, a general advance of $25 million that includes fees for his current tour, and advance payment of $10 million an album for a minimum of three albums during the deal’s 10-year term, these people said. A series of other payments adding up to about $20 million is included in exchange for certain publishing, licensing and other rights. Jay-Z said Live Nation’s consolidated approach was in sync with the emerging potential “to reach the consumer in so many different ways right now.” He added: “Everyone’s trying to figure it out. I want to be on the front lines in that fight.”

The popularity of music downloads has revolutionized how music is consumed, and widespread piracy has contributed to an industry meltdown in which traditional album sales — composed mostly of the two-decade-old CD format — have slumped by more than a third since 2000. That has further pressured record-label executives to rewrite the economics of their business and step beyond the sale of albums in an attempt to wring revenue out of everything from ring tones to artist fan clubs.

Jay-Z said that his future as an artist could involve elevating the role of live performances, long a mixed bag even for popular rap acts.

“In a way I want to operate like an indie band,” he said. “Play the music on tour instead of relying on radio. Hopefully we’ll get some hits out of there and radio will pick it up, but we won’t make it with that in mind.”

Though sales for Jay-Z’s tour with Ms. Blige have been strong since it began on March 22, with almost all the early dates resulting in sold-out arenas, it is unclear when Live Nation could carry out other aspects of the deal. (Jay-Z said that he hoped to deliver his final album for Def Jam later this year.)

Critics of Live Nation, which lost nearly $12 million last year, predict that it would be difficult to turn a profit on the arrangement, given the continuing decline in record sales and the mixed track record of artist-run ventures. Shares in the company have suffered since October when Live Nation negotiated a deal with Madonna. Michael Cohl, Live Nation’s chairman, said he was not worried. Though he declined to discuss terms of the Jay-Z arrangement, he said it did not require an increase in record sales to be profitable. “He could be doing more tours and doing great,” Mr. Cohl said. “There could be endorsements and sponsorships.” He added, “The whole is what’s important.”

He cited Jay-Z’s forays into a host of other businesses as a model for Live Nation. “What he’s done has kind of mirrored what we want to do and where we think we’re going.”

Some executives at major record labels have privately portrayed Live Nation’s artist deals as overly expensive retirement packages for stars past their prime.
Others disagree. “I’d much rather be in the business of marketing a superstar who cost me a lot of money than taking the 1-in-10, demonstrably failing crapshoot” of signing unknown talents, said Jeffrey Light, a Los Angeles entertainment attorney, referring to the traditional record company model.

But the dimensions of the competition could change if Live Nation begins vying for the same emerging artists that the labels hope to sign. Live Nation is negotiating with a Georgia rock act, the Zac Brown Band, after apparently wooing it away from an offer by Atlantic Records, according to music executives briefed on the talks.

Jay-Z, for his part, suggested that the string of stars to exit the major-label system would also signal to younger acts how to plot their careers. He said that rising artists will be thinking: “ ‘Something must be happening. Madonna did it, she’s not slow. Jay-Z, he’s not slow either.’ ”



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/arts/music/03jayz.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
 
Just what the world needs again....another multi-millionaire who is about to become even richer but yet bishes in various magazines about how unhappy he is and wants the world to care or have sympathy for him.

I'm all for being successfull and more power to the brotha, but don't complain to a magazine about the pitfalls or downside of being a multi-millionaire and expect the average 9-5 above minimum wage person to understand or relate to u'r woes.....wtf, lol.

That's one of the thing I don't like about the dude.

Yours Truly.....Professor
 
Never gonna have anywhere near "Oprah money."

Maybe "Madonna money" ... someday.


Never say never.


But the point is he's going to be making an exorbitant amount of money in this thing called Hip-Hop.
 
I've got to give it up to ole' Joe Camel, he's definitely making the moves.:D He could be a billionaire some day if he invests his loot right.
 
Yep and Jay-Z is younger so he has time.

Only if Oprah drops dead. She's still making upwards of $150-$200M a year and is only in her early 50s. Jay-Z will not be making $200M a year in his 50s (or even through his 40s). His window of opportunity to make big money is relatively small. Oprah's is LIMITLESS.
 
it's amazing that he makes that type of money for something that he really loves to do.

one day i will be there myself.
 
Only if Oprah drops dead. She's still making upwards of $150-$200M a year and is only in her early 50s. Jay-Z will not be making $200M a year in his 50s (or even through his 40s). His window of opportunity to make big money is relatively small. Oprah's is LIMITLESS.

:lol::lol::lol::lol: ok Nostradamus
 
ok Nostradamus

Thank you.

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I guess Jay said it best. I know what i'm up against
We as rappers must decide what's most impor-tant
And i can't help the poor if i'm one of them
So i got rich and gave back
To me that's the win, win
The next time you see the homie and his rims spin
Just know my mind is workin just like them
(The rims that is)
 
Yeah it may. But that's because I believe in the possibility of it.

All I'm saying is that Oprah's still making "Oprah money" and isn't stopping anytime soon. And she's got a $1 Billion head start.

Hip-Hop's first billionaire!

I'd bet on Russell Simmons before Jay-Z. He's worth around $500M himself, and is much more astute than Jay-Z (who was still stabbing people in the chest not all that long ago).
 
All I'm saying is that Oprah's still making "Oprah money" and isn't stopping anytime soon. And she's got a $1 Billion head start.



I'd bet on Russell Simmons before Jay-Z. He's worth around $500M himself, and is much more astute than Jay-Z (who was still stabbing people in the chest not all that long ago).

Agreed.
 
the only way artists are gonna make money now is on stage.. i'm glad to hear dat, that's the way it was and always should have been.. too much studio artists kinda contributed to the decline of music in general.. but as for Jay, much respect.. another black man makin' paper.. ya gatta love it..
 
Jay-Z and Live Nation Alliance as New Model for Music Sales

By JEFF LEEDS

LOS ANGELES — In a move that reflects the anarchy sweeping the music business, the superstar rapper Jay-Z, who released his latest album to lukewarm sales five months ago, is on the verge of closing a deal with a concert promoter that rivals the biggest music contracts ever awarded.

Jay-Z plans to depart his longtime record label, Def Jam, for a roughly $150 million package with the concert giant Live Nation that includes financing for his own entertainment venture, in addition to recordings and tours for the next decade. The pact, expected to be finalized this week, is the most expansive deal yet from Live Nation, which has angled to compete directly with the industry’s established music labels in a scrum over the rights to distribute recordings, sell concert tickets, market merchandise and control other aspects of artists’ careers.

As CD sales plunge, an array of players — including record labels, promoters and advertisers — are racing to secure deals that cut them in on a larger share of an artist’s overall revenue. Live Nation has already struck less comprehensive pacts with Madonna and U2.

In Jay-Z, Live Nation has lined up with a longtime star who, after toiling as a self-described hustler on the streets of Brooklyn, earned acclaim as a rapper and cachet as a mogul.

Live Nation’s core business has revolved around major rock and country tours, and with Jay-Z it is making an unexpected foray into hip-hop. The company is also placing an enormous wager on a performer who, like many others, has experienced declining record sales. (Last year’s “American Gangster” sold one million copies in the United States; “The Black Album,” from 2003, sold well over three million.)

But the arrangement would also position Live Nation to participate in a range of new deals with Jay-Z, one of music’s most entrepreneurial stars, whose past ventures have included the Rocawear clothing line, which he sold last year for $204 million, and the chain of 40/40 nightclubs.

Jay-Z, 38, whose real name is Shawn Carter, owes one more studio album to Def Jam, where he was president for three years before stepping down in December after he and the label’s corporate parent, Universal Music Group, could not agree on a more lucrative contract.

His first undertaking with Live Nation is his current 28-date tour with Mary J. Blige, his biggest live outing in more than three years. After that, Live Nation envisions integrating the marketing of all Jay-Z’s entertainment endeavors, including recordings, tours and endorsements.

“I’ve turned into the Rolling Stones of hip-hop,” Jay-Z said in a recent telephone interview.

The deal answers a question that had been circling through the rap world for months: Where would Jay-Z take his next corporate role? As part of the arrangement, Live Nation would finance the start-up of a venture that would be an umbrella for his outside projects, which are expected to include his own label, music publishing, and talent consulting and managing. Live Nation is expected to contribute $5 million a year in overhead for five years, with another $25 million available to finance Jay-Z’s acquisitions or investments, according to people in the music industry briefed on the agreement. The venture, to be called Roc Nation, will split profits with Live Nation.

The overall package for Jay-Z also includes an upfront payment of $25 million, a general advance of $25 million that includes fees for his current tour, and advance payment of $10 million an album for a minimum of three albums during the deal’s 10-year term, these people said. A series of other payments adding up to about $20 million is included in exchange for certain publishing, licensing and other rights. Jay-Z said Live Nation’s consolidated approach was in sync with the emerging potential “to reach the consumer in so many different ways right now.” He added: “Everyone’s trying to figure it out. I want to be on the front lines in that fight.”

The popularity of music downloads has revolutionized how music is consumed, and widespread piracy has contributed to an industry meltdown in which traditional album sales — composed mostly of the two-decade-old CD format — have slumped by more than a third since 2000. That has further pressured record-label executives to rewrite the economics of their business and step beyond the sale of albums in an attempt to wring revenue out of everything from ring tones to artist fan clubs.

Jay-Z said that his future as an artist could involve elevating the role of live performances, long a mixed bag even for popular rap acts.

“In a way I want to operate like an indie band,” he said. “Play the music on tour instead of relying on radio. Hopefully we’ll get some hits out of there and radio will pick it up, but we won’t make it with that in mind.”

Though sales for Jay-Z’s tour with Ms. Blige have been strong since it began on March 22, with almost all the early dates resulting in sold-out arenas, it is unclear when Live Nation could carry out other aspects of the deal. (Jay-Z said that he hoped to deliver his final album for Def Jam later this year.)

Critics of Live Nation, which lost nearly $12 million last year, predict that it would be difficult to turn a profit on the arrangement, given the continuing decline in record sales and the mixed track record of artist-run ventures. Shares in the company have suffered since October when Live Nation negotiated a deal with Madonna. Michael Cohl, Live Nation’s chairman, said he was not worried. Though he declined to discuss terms of the Jay-Z arrangement, he said it did not require an increase in record sales to be profitable. “He could be doing more tours and doing great,” Mr. Cohl said. “There could be endorsements and sponsorships.” He added, “The whole is what’s important.”

He cited Jay-Z’s forays into a host of other businesses as a model for Live Nation. “What he’s done has kind of mirrored what we want to do and where we think we’re going.”

Some executives at major record labels have privately portrayed Live Nation’s artist deals as overly expensive retirement packages for stars past their prime.
Others disagree. “I’d much rather be in the business of marketing a superstar who cost me a lot of money than taking the 1-in-10, demonstrably failing crapshoot” of signing unknown talents, said Jeffrey Light, a Los Angeles entertainment attorney, referring to the traditional record company model.

But the dimensions of the competition could change if Live Nation begins vying for the same emerging artists that the labels hope to sign. Live Nation is negotiating with a Georgia rock act, the Zac Brown Band, after apparently wooing it away from an offer by Atlantic Records, according to music executives briefed on the talks.

Jay-Z, for his part, suggested that the string of stars to exit the major-label system would also signal to younger acts how to plot their careers. He said that rising artists will be thinking: “ ‘Something must be happening. Madonna did it, she’s not slow. Jay-Z, he’s not slow either.’ ”



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/arts/music/03jayz.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin


Ok he has to push 3 albums during this 10 year tenure, let's be honest, I don't think many people want to hear J rapp'n at 42+ about the "life and bling". My gut tells me one of those albums will be a greatest album and maybe even a Duet album. Jay's window for rap'n is basicly shut. He'll never be the empire Oprah is. Her entities are more diverse and reach a much larger and wider demographic. Jay has a niche audience, 17 - 35.
 
Only if Oprah drops dead. She's still making upwards of $150-$200M a year and is only in her early 50s. Jay-Z will not be making $200M a year in his 50s (or even through his 40s). His window of opportunity to make big money is relatively small. Oprah's is LIMITLESS.

Looking at how short of a time period it took Jay to accumulate his wealth compared to Oprah...well, him making $200 mill a year in his forties is not a long shot. Also keep in mind that Jay is a PIONEER, just like Oprah. Critics were saying that his window of opportunity was limited to album sales well before he found Roc-A-Wear, which STARTED the trend of Hip Hop artists that currently brand clothing labels. Of course, Roc-A-Wear was only one venture that started a trend of investment opportunities within Hip-Hop.

Hip-Hop is so diverse that it has plenty of room for expansive business enterprises; as we have seen.

Also, he has brought his name farther from the scope of Hip-hop, thus broadening his business potential.

Why am I writing all of this? It's so simply articulated that it should be insulting. So, I shall take your position as Nostradamus and and state; Jay-Z will blow out Oprah and Madonna over a 20 year stretch.

so shut up.
 
Only if Oprah drops dead. She's still making upwards of $150-$200M a year and is only in her early 50s. Jay-Z will not be making $200M a year in his 50s (or even through his 40s). His window of opportunity to make big money is relatively small. Oprah's is LIMITLESS.

Fuck, didnt jay Z "only" have 1 million 10 years ago???

The man is smart, I see him making bolder moves then oprah, which come with a risk, but he will eventually over take her.

Now, this is if he is smart like oprah and doesnt get married, soon as he gets married is net worth is cut in half.
 
Just what the world needs again....another multi-millionaire who is about to become even richer but yet bishes in various magazines about how unhappy he is and wants the world to care or have sympathy for him.

I'm all for being successfull and more power to the brotha, but don't complain to a magazine about the pitfalls or downside of being a multi-millionaire and expect the average 9-5 above minimum wage person to understand or relate to u'r woes.....wtf, lol.

That's one of the thing I don't like about the dude.

Yours Truly.....Professor

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Looking at how short of a time period it took Jay to accumulate his wealth compared to Oprah...well, him making $200 mill a year in his forties is not a long shot. Also keep in mind that Jay is a PIONEER, just like Oprah. Critics were saying that his window of opportunity was limited to album sales well before he found Roc-A-Wear, which STARTED the trend of Hip Hop artists that currently brand clothing labels. Of course, Roc-A-Wear was only one venture that started a trend of investment opportunities within Hip-Hop.

Hip-Hop is so diverse that it has plenty of room for expansive business enterprises; as we have seen.

Also, he has brought his name farther from the scope of Hip-hop, thus broadening his business potential.

Why am I writing all of this? It's so simply articulated that it should be insulting. So, I shall take your position as Nostradamus and and state; Jay-Z will blow out Oprah and Madonna over a 20 year stretch.

so shut up.


Rappers reach a pinnacle in their careers, just like niche fashion (Roc-a-wear, Tommy H., Phat farm etc,) it's too trendy. That's why they don't succeed, thus each company was SOLD. He doesn't have the longevity that Ralph Lauren has, he doesn't appeal to baby boomers and the young. What may be hott this year will quickly become old news the next. Just ask Coogi lol.
Jay hasn't established a brand like Jordan has. He wants to get to that point in his career when he has but as of today he hasn't. That's just fact. Don't get me wrong Jay has had a damn good run, but I don't think its sustainable. I went to show, Mary and Jay,in Philly on Sunday 3/30, it was ok. Mary had more enegry then he did.
 
Jay-Z and Live Nation Alliance as New Model for Music Sales

By JEFF LEEDS

LOS ANGELES — In a move that reflects the anarchy sweeping the music business, the superstar rapper Jay-Z, who released his latest album to lukewarm sales five months ago, is on the verge of closing a deal with a concert promoter that rivals the biggest music contracts ever awarded.

Jay-Z plans to depart his longtime record label, Def Jam, for a roughly $150 million package with the concert giant Live Nation that includes financing for his own entertainment venture, in addition to recordings and tours for the next decade. The pact, expected to be finalized this week, is the most expansive deal yet from Live Nation, which has angled to compete directly with the industry’s established music labels in a scrum over the rights to distribute recordings, sell concert tickets, market merchandise and control other aspects of artists’ careers.

As CD sales plunge, an array of players — including record labels, promoters and advertisers — are racing to secure deals that cut them in on a larger share of an artist’s overall revenue. Live Nation has already struck less comprehensive pacts with Madonna and U2.

In Jay-Z, Live Nation has lined up with a longtime star who, after toiling as a self-described hustler on the streets of Brooklyn, earned acclaim as a rapper and cachet as a mogul.

Live Nation’s core business has revolved around major rock and country tours, and with Jay-Z it is making an unexpected foray into hip-hop. The company is also placing an enormous wager on a performer who, like many others, has experienced declining record sales. (Last year’s “American Gangster” sold one million copies in the United States; “The Black Album,” from 2003, sold well over three million.)

But the arrangement would also position Live Nation to participate in a range of new deals with Jay-Z, one of music’s most entrepreneurial stars, whose past ventures have included the Rocawear clothing line, which he sold last year for $204 million, and the chain of 40/40 nightclubs.

Jay-Z, 38, whose real name is Shawn Carter, owes one more studio album to Def Jam, where he was president for three years before stepping down in December after he and the label’s corporate parent, Universal Music Group, could not agree on a more lucrative contract.

His first undertaking with Live Nation is his current 28-date tour with Mary J. Blige, his biggest live outing in more than three years. After that, Live Nation envisions integrating the marketing of all Jay-Z’s entertainment endeavors, including recordings, tours and endorsements.

“I’ve turned into the Rolling Stones of hip-hop,” Jay-Z said in a recent telephone interview.

The deal answers a question that had been circling through the rap world for months: Where would Jay-Z take his next corporate role? As part of the arrangement, Live Nation would finance the start-up of a venture that would be an umbrella for his outside projects, which are expected to include his own label, music publishing, and talent consulting and managing. Live Nation is expected to contribute $5 million a year in overhead for five years, with another $25 million available to finance Jay-Z’s acquisitions or investments, according to people in the music industry briefed on the agreement. The venture, to be called Roc Nation, will split profits with Live Nation.

The overall package for Jay-Z also includes an upfront payment of $25 million, a general advance of $25 million that includes fees for his current tour, and advance payment of $10 million an album for a minimum of three albums during the deal’s 10-year term, these people said. A series of other payments adding up to about $20 million is included in exchange for certain publishing, licensing and other rights. Jay-Z said Live Nation’s consolidated approach was in sync with the emerging potential “to reach the consumer in so many different ways right now.” He added: “Everyone’s trying to figure it out. I want to be on the front lines in that fight.”

The popularity of music downloads has revolutionized how music is consumed, and widespread piracy has contributed to an industry meltdown in which traditional album sales — composed mostly of the two-decade-old CD format — have slumped by more than a third since 2000. That has further pressured record-label executives to rewrite the economics of their business and step beyond the sale of albums in an attempt to wring revenue out of everything from ring tones to artist fan clubs.

Jay-Z said that his future as an artist could involve elevating the role of live performances, long a mixed bag even for popular rap acts.

“In a way I want to operate like an indie band,” he said. “Play the music on tour instead of relying on radio. Hopefully we’ll get some hits out of there and radio will pick it up, but we won’t make it with that in mind.”

Though sales for Jay-Z’s tour with Ms. Blige have been strong since it began on March 22, with almost all the early dates resulting in sold-out arenas, it is unclear when Live Nation could carry out other aspects of the deal. (Jay-Z said that he hoped to deliver his final album for Def Jam later this year.)

Critics of Live Nation, which lost nearly $12 million last year, predict that it would be difficult to turn a profit on the arrangement, given the continuing decline in record sales and the mixed track record of artist-run ventures. Shares in the company have suffered since October when Live Nation negotiated a deal with Madonna. Michael Cohl, Live Nation’s chairman, said he was not worried. Though he declined to discuss terms of the Jay-Z arrangement, he said it did not require an increase in record sales to be profitable. “He could be doing more tours and doing great,” Mr. Cohl said. “There could be endorsements and sponsorships.” He added, “The whole is what’s important.”

He cited Jay-Z’s forays into a host of other businesses as a model for Live Nation. “What he’s done has kind of mirrored what we want to do and where we think we’re going.”

Some executives at major record labels have privately portrayed Live Nation’s artist deals as overly expensive retirement packages for stars past their prime.
Others disagree. “I’d much rather be in the business of marketing a superstar who cost me a lot of money than taking the 1-in-10, demonstrably failing crapshoot” of signing unknown talents, said Jeffrey Light, a Los Angeles entertainment attorney, referring to the traditional record company model.

But the dimensions of the competition could change if Live Nation begins vying for the same emerging artists that the labels hope to sign. Live Nation is negotiating with a Georgia rock act, the Zac Brown Band, after apparently wooing it away from an offer by Atlantic Records, according to music executives briefed on the talks.

Jay-Z, for his part, suggested that the string of stars to exit the major-label system would also signal to younger acts how to plot their careers. He said that rising artists will be thinking: “ ‘Something must be happening. Madonna did it, she’s not slow. Jay-Z, he’s not slow either.’ ”



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/arts/music/03jayz.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin


Femme you just love being on niggas dicks don't you it must be a dream come true to ride a dick such as Jay's you whore
 
Rappers reach a pinnacle in their careers, just like niche fashion (Roc-a-wear, Tommy H., Phat farm etc,) it's too trendy. That's why they don't succeed, thus each company was SOLD. He doesn't have the longevity that Ralph Lauren has, he doesn't appeal to baby boomers and the young. What may be hott this year will quickly become old news the next. Just ask Coogi lol.
Jay hasn't established a brand like Jordan has. He wants to get to that point in his career when he has but as of today he hasn't. That's just fact. Don't get me wrong Jay has had a damn good run, but I don't think its sustainable. I went to show, Mary and Jay,in Philly on Sunday 3/30, it was ok. Mary had more enegry then he did.

Respect.

I honestly don't see Jay as a rapper any longer, so I can't see him reaching that pinnacle like most rappers. There are no blue prints for achieving wealth anymore, so I really can't see how comparing his accumulation to the business models fostered by Ralph Lauren or Michael Jordan strengthen your argument.

Thanks to things like the Internet, economic and business dynamics are changing; as are ways of creating and maintaining cash. Your boy Jay clearly isn't relying on a defined business module to reach the billion mark. He's part of the new brand of entrepreneurs that think on their feet and rely on the consistency of rapid change and even niche appeal. He abandons one or two opportunities and moves to the next ... I don't think that most established moguls can do that. That's his advantage (as I see it)
 
Man first its a lot of hate in here but if j hotels does what people think, he will b worth a billy in like 5 years or less :cool:
 
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