Iverson to the Knicks????

[something else]

1. Iverson has never been a team player.

2. Does not play any defense.

3. His attitude is detrimental to the team and young players.

4. Is half the player he used to be (and he played no defense then)

5. Thank God Denver got rid of him best thing ever for Carmelo.

BOTTOM LINE THE OLD TIMER NEEDS TO MOVE ALONG!

@ the video

 

[Game Plan]

Others have already pointed out that he can't get that kind of money unless the Knicks wanna get on some Joe Smith shit times 100.

Post-Ewing, this has been the lost decade for the Knicks... Unlike Japan, I'm betting on a second lost decade-- Cleveland can pay him the most, he has less to lose by staying, and the benefit of playing in NY isn't what it was 15-20 years ago, as all the talk about the Cav's new Chinese ownership highlights.

i don't see it being another lost decade. where the knicks get lebron or not, there is enough talent for them to get to make them competitors again. will the win a title....i don't know, but i will say that they won't be as much of a disgrace as there were for the last 10 yrs

 

[alexw]

Won't the novelty wear off? A playoff team with Kidd should be more "box office" than a faltering team with AI, especially on the heels of so much losing...

the knicks arent going to playoffs whether they get kidd, rubio, or ai

and the novelty doesnt wear off since ai plays hard

ny fans love that shit whether theyre winning or losing

just play hard and theyll support his ass

 

[4ce of n8ur]

the knicks arent going to playoffs whether they get kidd, rubio, or ai

and the novelty doesnt wear off since ai plays hard

ny fans love that shit whether theyre winning or losing

just play hard and theyll support his ass

these niggas arguing with you are not thinking this through.

AI is a perfect fit for new york this season, right now.

 

[D-TOWN REP]

Wow the Knicks really are the Dallas Cowboys of the NBA

Haven't been shit in years but dammit they will find a way to stay in the headlines

 

[alexw]

Wow the Knicks really are the Dallas Cowboys of the NBA

Haven't been shit in years but dammit they will find a way to stay in the headlines

the knicks have a lot of diehard fans ala the world champion, greatest to ever do it, cowboys

 

[LSN]

Wow the Knicks really are the Dallas Cowboys of the NBA

Haven't been shit in years but dammit they will find a way to stay in the headlines

So I guess you know the feeling of how that shit wears thin when it's all talk and no action to back it up year after year. I think living in NYC made it easier to stay a Knicks fan cause the papers/headlines always gave you a shred of hope. But watching them from a distance you see they just don't have their shit together. What hurts more is they are not a totally shitty franchise. It's just a whole lot of ineptness ingrained in that franchise. If recent Knicks history holds up AI to NY will be a giant failure w/ everyone after the initial excitement wears off wondering WTF happened.

 

[D-TOWN REP]

the knicks have a lot of diehard fans ala the world champion, greatest to ever do it, cowboys

yep plenty of diehard fans and there is always that hope

we keep the hope/belief that one day we shall return to greatness

and the knicks are holding on to hope that lebron is on the way

So I guess you know the feeling of how that shit wears thin when it's all talk and no action to back it up year after year. I think living in NYC made it easier to stay a Knicks fan cause the papers/headlines always gave you a shred of hope. But watching them from a distance you see they just don't have their shit together. What hurts more is they are not a totally shitty franchise. It's just a whole lot of ineptness ingrained in that franchise. If recent Knicks history holds up AI to NY will be a giant failure w/ everyone after the initial excitement wears off wondering WTF happened.

I know the feeling all too well...I was a youngster when the Cowboys were running shit in the 90's the Cowboys I came up watching hasn't won a playoff game in 12 seasons

 

[alexw]

So I guess you know the feeling of how that shit wears thin when it's all talk and no action to back it up year after year. I think living in NYC made it easier to stay a Knicks fan cause the papers/headlines always gave you a shred of hope. But watching them from a distance you see they just don't have their shit together. What hurts more is they are not a totally shitty franchise. It's just a whole lot of ineptness ingrained in that franchise. If recent Knicks history holds up AI to NY will be a giant failure w/ everyone after the initial excitement wears off wondering WTF happened.

I seriously doubt yall get ai bruh

its all speculation from some sportswriters

jason kidd is more than likely your pg for the next couple of yrs

 

[sknickers212]

once pat ewing left the knicks aint been the same. The scot layden signed allan houston to a 100million dollar contract! and it was a wrap, layden signed shandon anderson, howard eisley WTF! then thomas the fuckin dumbass traded the whole farm for fat curry and got this knucklehead named stephon "the greatest point guard in the game" marbury.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWxgbyYrT5A gets me everytime.

Walsh and company are giving us hope...he traded away fatass jerome james! and Zbo! and jamal's chuckin ass! things are lookin up for the knicks.

 

[blooo]

the knicks arent going to playoffs whether they get kidd, rubio, or ai

and the novelty doesnt wear off since ai plays hard

ny fans love that shit whether theyre winning or losing

just play hard and theyll support his ass

This is about right. If he plays good, the Garden would be sold out every time, while they wait for LEBRON

 

[The Pope]

One final destination for Iverson could be the Atlanta Hawks, especially if Mike Bibby departs. Iverson would likely be playing the point guard position if he signed in Atlanta, though, and there are some major issues teams face long-term with that such as Iverson dribbling away the shot-clock while teammates stand on the weakside. This is one of those ideas that might sound good in theory, but in practice it could be detrimental to head coach Mike Woodson's job security.

Hell no we dont need AI to come to Atlanta and fuck up the team .true hell put bodies in the seat but he'll be the oldest player on the team and him giving advice to the younger players is not agood idea.

 

[A to Dah K]

makes sense
thats where everyone else goes to rest thier dead career in the NBA graveyard

 

[Qdizzile]

iversons 2007/2008 stats

points 26.4 pg(3rd in league)
assists 7.1 pg(9th in league)
steals 1.95 pg(8th in league)

the denver nuggets get 50 wins loose in the first round to the lakers who went to the finals that year lost then won it all with the same squad the next year.

you say he cant pass but he was 8th in assist a year ago no he's a scrub and a cancer and has no options just a year later

 

[Lurker 2007]

I disagree

Iverson has a career to revive. The last time he was in this situation, he worked hard and became the mvp.

(Unfortunatly, he started feeling himself again, and became that egomaniac again.)

Larry Brown reported that he has hired a personal trainer and he's in the gym everyday. The kid has everything to prove.

The knicks giving him one yr would be a plus for both parties.

Hopefully, iverson has woke up.

Don't get me wrong, AI is a beast and can still do his thing despite his age. But personality wise him and D'Antoni is going to clash. NY media is going to be all over it. It will cause more turmoil within Knick organization. Knicks don't need any more negative press. The best place for AI right now is Charlotte but if he smart he should wait and see wich teams makes some major personel moves. Free agency and trades before the season could make a difference. D'Antoni is about self. A lot people don't see but I do. NY is better off going for Rubio. He doesn't want to play for Minnesota and is determain to play in a big market or go back to Spain. He is a good fit for D'Antoni system. I still think he might be a bust. Dallas will find the money to keep Kidd. Kidd has a better chance to the finals with Dallas or even Portland than NY.

 

[4ce of n8ur]

iversons 2007/2008 stats

points 26.4 pg(3rd in league)
assists 7.1 pg(9th in league)
steals 1.95 pg(8th in league)

the denver nuggets get 50 wins loose in the first round to the lakers who went to the finals that year lost then won it all with the same squad the next year.

you say he cant pass but he was 8th in assist a year ago no he's a scrub and a cancer and has no options just a year later

then they got chauncey and win ONLY 5 more games in the regular season. get past the first round to lose to the lakers (who they lost to in the first round when AI was there) and it's of course AI's fault.

Everybody knew the weakness in Denver was the PG position - which AI does not play. they were starting anthony carter who is honestly the worst point guard in the history of professional basketball. he's just awful.

AI gets bum rap but it's because of branding. And it's AI's fault but he hasn't learned how to manipulate the media. And it's gonna cost him financially.

 

[Acur]

I'm a diehard fan of A.I. He has to learn to think Team first. Jordan, Magic ,Zeke, Joe Dumars all thought team in some way, shape or form. They all are Championships because of it. I hope he gets it together and finally gets a Ring before his career is done and he's headed to the hall.

 

[fourth_retired]

ive been saying this for a while that he could end up in ny. I think for the year that hes here, the knicks have something to work with. Coach loves to play fast pace and i think thats iversons style of play.

Tell me why Iverson averages more steals per game then Wade in his career if he doesn't play defense? averaging over 2 steals a game for 11 of his 15 season. with one season he only played 3 games.

 

[RunawaySlave]

Long as it isn't Atlanta (or the Nets). Hawks got Crawford, wanna finally give the brotha a chance to play the 1 without somebody looking over his shoulder

 

[Qdizzile]

I'm a diehard fan of A.I. He has to learn to think Team first. Jordan, Magic ,Zeke, Joe Dumars all thought team in some way, shape or form. They all are Championships because of it. I hope he gets it together and finally gets a Ring before his career is done and he's headed to the hall.

how is 9th in the league in assists not playing team ball

points 26.4 pg(3rd in league)
assists 7.1 pg(9th in league)
steals 1.95 pg(8th in league)

what more can you ask from a guard?

 

[SNYC]

"nas, jay and AI in NYC? it's about to get supa ugly"

 

[Anthony-Cruz]

Iverson has made over 150 million dollars in his basketball career, he shouldn't be thinking about how much teams are paying him at this point, he should go to the team that will give him the best chance to win a championship. He also needs to accept whatever role the team is willing to give him.

 

[Anthony-Cruz]

how is 9th in the league in assists not playing team ball

points 26.4 pg(3rd in league)
assists 7.1 pg(9th in league)
steals 1.95 pg(8th in league)

what more can you ask from a guard?

It's easy to look at those numbers and think that he is a team player but when you actually WATCH games (which you clearly don't), you will see that Iverson gets what I call "cheap" assist. He does get 6-7 assist a game but the assist he gets don't help his team in anyway and it's more closer to stat padding. He's not a guard that gets assist that ACTUALLY makes his team better.

 

[Mo-Better]

I agree with Iverson to the Knicks I think he would be a great addition for a short run. Said so last week in another thread about the Knicks but it will never happen. Makes too much sense.

But IMO the front office remains the biggest stumbling block for the Knicks organization. Some may differ but just wait till its time to negotiate for Lebron and they fail to seal a deal then watch the Knick fans call for his head. Then people will see how inept Dolan and the boys really are.

 

[blooo]

It's easy to look at those numbers and think that he is a team player but when you actually WATCH games (which you clearly don't), you will see that Iverson gets what I call "cheap" assist. He does get 6-7 assist a game but the assist he gets don't help his team in anyway and it's more closer to stat padding. He's not a guard that gets assist that ACTUALLY makes his team better.

Can't call em cheap assists,thats like saying cheap Baskets,doesnt make sense.but what he's failing to show is iversons turnovers, Career wise for every 2 assists he dishes out, he turns the ball over once. Thats sucks for a guard cause he's not taking care of the ball and it shows up in the loses.

 

[Qdizzile]

It's easy to look at those numbers and think that he is a team player but when you actually WATCH games (which you clearly don't), you will see that Iverson gets what I call "cheap" assist. He does get 6-7 assist a game but the assist he gets don't help his team in anyway and it's more closer to stat padding. He's not a guard that gets assist that ACTUALLY makes his team better.

cheap assists that sounds like hating to me. how the fuck you going to say iverson gets cheap assist? you never did explain what a cheap assist was stats aren't everything but the man was top 10 in the league in 3 stats you want your guard to be good at! scoring, assist, steals.

how did he not make the nuggets better? when he left his team won 5 more games in the regular season and lost in the playoffs the the same team! I think they would have won more games if they kept iverson but they still would have lost to the lakers so it doesnt matter.

Can't call em cheap assists,thats like saying cheap Baskets,doesnt make sense.but what he's failing to show is iversons turnovers, Career wise for every 2 assists he dishes out, he turns the ball over once. Thats sucks for a guard cause he's not taking care of the ball and it shows up in the loses.

last 2 years turnovers
2007/2008
iverson 3.0 topg(14th in league)
kobe,wade,lebron,nash,d.williams,jason kidd,carmello all with more t.o per game than iverson!

2008/2009
allen iverson 2.6 topg (29 in the nba)

again I'm not a big stat guy but the best players turn the ball over when they handle the ball a lot

 

[LSN]

iversons 2007/2008 stats

points 26.4 pg(3rd in league)
assists 7.1 pg(9th in league)
steals 1.95 pg(8th in league)

the denver nuggets get 50 wins loose in the first round to the lakers who went to the finals that year lost then won it all with the same squad the next year.

you say he cant pass but he was 8th in assist a year ago no he's a scrub and a cancer and has no options just a year later

Ya most niggas don't know what they are talking about and just saying some biased shit they heard in the media about his game is off and he's a menace to team chemistry and his "troubled" offseason life. I really think the league has been secretly waiting for him to paint himself in a corner so they can blackball him. I would not be surprised if a team does not sign him.

 

[LSN]

then they got chauncey and win ONLY 5 more games in the regular season. get past the first round to lose to the lakers (who they lost to in the first round when AI was there) and it's of course AI's fault.

Everybody knew the weakness in Denver was the PG position - which AI does not play. they were starting anthony carter who is honestly the worst point guard in the history of professional basketball. he's just awful.

AI gets bum rap but it's because of branding. And it's AI's fault but he hasn't learned how to manipulate the media. And it's gonna cost him financially.

Basically.

 

[LSN]

cheap assists that sounds like hating to me. how the fuck you going to say iverson gets cheap assist? you never did explain what a cheap assist was stats aren't everything but the man was top 10 in the league in 3 stats you want your guard to be good at! scoring, assist, steals.

how did he not make the nuggets better? when he left his team won 5 more games in the regular season and lost in the playoffs the the same team! I think they would have won more games if they kept iverson but they still would have lost to the lakers so it doesnt matter.



last 2 years turnovers
2007/2008
iverson 3.0 topg(14th in league)
kobe,wade,lebron,nash,d.williams,jason kidd,carmello all with more t.o per game than iverson!

2008/2009
allen iverson 2.6 topg (29 in the nba)

again I'm not a big stat guy but the best players turn the ball over when they handle the ball a lot

Niggas is brainwashed and therefore very intent on overlooking common sense/stats to hate on AI. So just imagine how the media/NBA personnel feel about him. Again do not be surprised if AI doesn't get signed to a team this season.

 

[56k]

I'm a diehard fan of A.I. He has to learn to think Team first. Jordan, Magic ,Zeke, Joe Dumars all thought team in some way, shape or form. They all are Championships because of it. I hope he gets it together and finally gets a Ring before his career is done and he's headed to the hall.

HEADED TO THE HALL OF SHAME.

 

[4ce of n8ur]

cheap assists that sounds like hating to me. how the fuck you going to say iverson gets cheap assist? you never did explain what a cheap assist was stats aren't everything but the man was top 10 in the league in 3 stats you want your guard to be good at! scoring, assist, steals.

how did he not make the nuggets better? when he left his team won 5 more games in the regular season and lost in the playoffs the the same team! I think they would have won more games if they kept iverson but they still would have lost to the lakers so it doesnt matter.



last 2 years turnovers
2007/2008
iverson 3.0 topg(14th in league)
kobe,wade,lebron,nash,d.williams,jason kidd,carmello all with more t.o per game than iverson!

2008/2009
allen iverson 2.6 topg (29 in the nba)

again I'm not a big stat guy but the best players turn the ball over when they handle the ball a lot

good fucking post.

cheap assist? what the fuck is a cheap assist? there is no such thing. an assist by definition is making teammates better because you are giving the teammate the ball in a position to score immediately. that's just hating. first it was he didn't pass the rock well - when confronted with stats niggas wanna qualify the type of assists.

the difference between the nuggets without AI this year and with AI last year is 5 more games won and losing to the lakers in the playoffs. no shame in that because the lakers went to the finals last year and won the whole shit this year.

TOs per game is in line with how much he holds the ball and how many minutes he plays. he led the league in minutes his season with the nuggets.

 

[cli-terminator]

how is 9th in the league in assists not playing team ball

points 26.4 pg(3rd in league)
assists 7.1 pg(9th in league)
steals 1.95 pg(8th in league)

what more can you ask from a guard?

Look at Marbury. He used to put up a lot of assists also but I don't think anyone would call him a team player. There's a difference between being a team player & passing the ball to someone so that they can score. I'm not bashing Iverson in any way but just pointing out that there's more to being a team player than just passing the ball. No one can ever deny Iverson's heart & hustle but as far as making his teammates better, that's the part of Iverson's game that needs the most improvement.

I agree with Iverson to the Knicks I think he would be a great addition for a short run. Said so last week in another thread about the Knicks but it will never happen. Makes too much sense.

But IMO the front office remains the biggest stumbling block for the Knicks organization. Some may differ but just wait till its time to negotiate for Lebron and they fail to seal a deal then watch the Knick fans call for his head. Then people will see how inept Dolan and the boys really are.

I think the Knicks management has taken a turn for the better. Dolan is finally taking a step back from butting in on the GM affairs. Walsh has done an impeccable job of correcting all the mistakes that Isiah & Layden did before. Anyone who can trade away the bad contracts of Zbo, Crawford & Jerome "I can only play 5 minutes in a season" James needs to be applauded. If you watched them this season then you saw the change almost immediately. Even though they won only 9 more games than the season before, the games were much closer, they played harder & you can see that the players believe they can win again.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

the knicks are no wear near being on the same page as the dallas cowboys.


yall smoking tweeds

 

[Qdizzile]

Look at Marbury. He used to put up a lot of assists also but I don't think anyone would call him a team player. There's a difference between being a team player & passing the ball to someone so that they can score. I'm not bashing Iverson in any way but just pointing out that there's more to being a team player than just passing the ball. No one can ever deny Iverson's heart & hustle but as far as making his teammates better, that's the part of Iverson's game that needs the most improvement.

allen iverson has just been bash by the media sence day one. iverson changed the culture of the league and white people hated that. Iverson was one of the first superstars to not buy into the fact that you have to become some brynt gumball type nigga in order to fit in. he was the first player to be covered in tats and have corn rolls now most niggas in the leage look like that. Iverson just wanted to hoop, collect his checks and be left alone so the media bashed him for it.

then he gets traded to the nuggets who are molding their own young superstar in carmello and ask Iverson do deffer to him, a player iverson was clearly better than! Iverson doesnt complain just goes out and plays his ass off and ends up with his best year ever in his second year with the franchise(top 10 in the league in points,assists and steals) something no guard has done in the last 2 years and I dont know when before that! but you dont ever here the media talk about that. they end up loosing to the lakers in the first round and iverson is the nuggets scape goat. they ship him to the pistons and billips takes all the credit for the nuggets success, even though the nuggets where a good team before he got there and would have been even better if iverson would have been given a chance

Iverson goes to the pistons a team which has basicaly had the same team for the last 4 or 5 years and played the same style and they tell iverson to start winning right away. then the pistons proceeds to move him to the fucking bench because rip fucking hamilton has been the fucking starter for ever let me repeat that again... they ask a guy who was top 10 in points(3rd). assist(9th), and steals(8th) less than 6 months ago to come off the bench... they also cut his minutes so they could give their rookies more experience

now 1 year later Iverons a scrub,old,a ball hog and cant play any more he has no options because he cant win a championship. Iverson has never had a team good enough to win a championship. the closest he got was getting to the finals and loosing to the lakers dyansty, which if I remember correct his 76rs got the only win against the lakers that year in the playoffs

 

[LSN]

allen iverson has just been bash by the media sence day one. iverson changed the culture of the league and white people hated that. Iverson was one of the first superstars to not buy into the fact that you have to become some brynt gumball type nigga in order to fit in. he was the first player to be covered in tats and have corn rolls now most niggas in the leage look like that. Iverson just wanted to hoop, collect his checks and be left alone so the media bashed him for it.

then he gets traded to the nuggets who are molding their own young superstar in carmello and ask Iverson do deffer to him, a player iverson was clearly better than! Iverson doesnt complain just goes out and plays his ass off and ends up with his best year ever in his second year with the franchise(top 10 in the league in points,assists and steals) something no guard has done in the last 2 years and I dont know when before that! but you dont ever here the media talk about that. they end up loosing to the lakers in the first round and iverson is the nuggets scape goat. they ship him to the pistons and billips takes all the credit for the nuggets success, even though the nuggets where a good team before he got there and would have been even better if iverson would have been given a chance

Iverson goes to the pistons a team which has basicaly had the same team for the last 4 or 5 years and played the same style and they tell iverson to start winning right away. then the pistons proceeds to move him to the fucking bench because rip fucking hamilton has been the fucking starter for ever let me repeat that again... they ask a guy who was top 10 in points(3rd). assist(9th), and steals(8th) less than 6 months ago to come off the bench... they also cut his minutes so they could give their rookies more experience

now 1 year later Iverons a scrub,old,a ball hog and cant play any more he has no options because he cant win a championship. Iverson has never had a team good enough to win a championship. the closest he got was getting to the finals and loosing to the lakers dyansty, which if I remember correct his 76rs got the only win against the lakers that year in the playoffs

Tell em. Reading this I'm pretty certain now AI will be "punished" this year and not be signed.