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Faced with changing attitudes, tightening regulations and a booming online pornography industry, strip clubs are closing across the US. Sex may still sell in magazines and movies, but are American strip clubs a dying institution, asks Jonathan Berr.
"Can you imagine a boss telling a secretary to make an appointment at a strip club?"

These days, few executives would be willing to risk possibly losing their jobs and the resulting personal humiliation by seeking reimbursement from their employers for an outing at a strip club. But strip club operator Alan Markovitz said such calls were typical in the late 1980s and 1990s.
Mr Markovitz, a Michigan entrepreneur who has strip club operations in four states, told the BBC he would routinely get notified that a powerful executive was arriving to make sure that they got good seats.
"That was the norm back then," he said.
During the industry's heyday, customers weren't so timid. Strip club operators would even play along, using innocuous-sounding names on their credit card slips to avoid suspicion.
Indeed, strip club outings were tolerated on Wall Street and in other industries for years until female employees filed suit against their employers earlier in the decade and won tens of millions in lawsuits.
In addition, the industry is facing some punishing economic trends including a declining customer base, an abundance of free internet pornography and rising employee costs.
At live adult entertainment venues, selling sex it isn't nearly as profitable as it used to be.
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Video captionSpearmint Rhino Strippers fighting for the right to strip
Data from market research group IBISWorld estimates profit slumped more than 12% to $1.4bn (£1.2bn) in 2018, down from $1.6bn in 2012. Sales during that same time period plunged about 7% to $6.9bn from $7.4bn.
Annual revenue growth at US strip clubs was 4.9% between 2012 and 2017, slowing to 1.9% from 2013 to 2018 and is projected to fall to 1.7% by 2023, according to IBISWorld.
The number of strip clubs has also declined in recent years in major US cities and their surrounding suburbs.
In New York City, tightening regulations may force more than half of the Big Apple's 20 joints out of business, according to the New York Post. The number of strip clubs in Atlanta has dropped from 45 to 30 in the last 10 years, according to Alan Begner, an attorney who represents strip clubs.
Some operators are being forced out by landlords while others are facing new bans on nude dancing in clubs which serve alcohol, where they get most of their profits, Mr Begner said.
Strip club owners are also facing federal class action lawsuit brought by dancers demanding to be classified as employees as opposed to independent contractors under the Federal Fair Labor Standards Act.
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"That changes the game for a strip club operator," said Corey D. Silverstein, an attorney based in Bingham Hills, Michigan, who represents Mr Markovitz and other operators. "Now you are talking about having to comply with various state and federal employment laws. And on top of all of that having to pay benefits and (having to) treat all employees equally. It's a mess."
According to Crissa Parker, a stripper whose app called The Dancer's Resource allows dancers to warn others about conditions at clubs, performers also aren't benefiting from the increased legal protections and are seeing their incomes fall.
The changes add unwelcome stress for the many performers who hold other jobs like teaching and strip as a side job to make ends meet.
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"You would never know that because they don't want to be judged due to the stigma," she said. "No one makes the same amount they made five years ago. The price of a dance has never changed. It's always been $20 regardless of the cost of living, house fees and whatever else you have got going on."
Strip clubs have also lost their cool among younger consumers. With some clubs stuck in the Mad Men era, young people are choosing to stay home where they have easy access to internet pornography.
"The Baby Boomers are retiring. They were for 20 years an amazing customer base," Mr Markovitz said. "The millennials are not coming to the strip clubs that much. That's the issue. "
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For one thing, many millennials can't afford to party at strip clubs. As CNBC noted, they have an average of $36,000 in personal debt excluding mortgages. Even those young consumers that can afford to patronize the clubs are taking a pass.
But it's probably not the nudity that is turning millennials off of strip joints.
A 2014 survey by women's magazine Cosmopolitan , found that 89% of respondents - who had an average age of 21 - had taken nude pictures of themselves. Only 14% said they regretted doing so.
However, Vice pointed out many millennial grooms feel uncomfortable being around strippers and would prefer to bond with their buddies over a game of laser tag or by organising trips.
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Image captionUS rapper and Grammy winner Cardi B has been open about her past as a stripper
Kailin Moon, owner of New York's Rosewood Theater, a high-end gentlemen's club, argues that most adult entertainment venues have failed to keep up with the times. He prides himself in offering customers an experience lacking what he calls a "strip club vibe" without stripper poles. Performers are dressed in cocktail attire and are referred to as "atmospheric models."
But whatever the fate of strip clubs, pole dancing is showing its stamina.
Beyond the backlit interiors of strip joints, pole dancing has entered the mainstream, in the form of fitness classes.
"Pole dancing was this dirty little secret," said Devon Williams, the owner of Pole Pressure, a fitness studio in Washington, DC.
Now, "part of the stigma is going away", she said. "People want to get fit in alternative ways."
Pole Pressure offers 35 classes every week that emphasize both strength and body confidence. Ms Williams says the studio's Washington location guarantees a wide variety of clients: former strippers, lawyers, judges and babysitters.
"You can get any kind of person and they're just a person who loves the pole," she said.
And Ms Williams said she still gets calls every week from women recently hired as strippers, looking to improve their skills. For her, strip clubs may be on the decline but there is no shame around its signature dance.
"If someone were to call me a stripper I'd say thank you," Ms Williams said. "That means I'm confident and strong and it looks like I know what I'm doing."
"People are finding their best lives upside down."
More on this story

Soho's historic Windmill strip club faces closure
11 January 2018

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Well i havent been to one in a while and the escorts i seen say they make faster money hoeing and it is better.....i would imagine it aint safer but ok.....

But i do know the escort business is bigger than it ever been

 

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Millenials & Gen Z got the game fucked up. Since they have trouble interacting with people face-to-face they've allowed the titty bar scene to dry up in favor of Cam Sites & OnlyFans. These goofy anti-social bastards are making it rain for chicks they can't even touch. Hustling completely backwards.
 

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Millenials & Gen Z got the game fucked up. Since they have trouble interacting with people face-to-face they've allowed the titty bar scene to dry up in favor of Cam Sites & OnlyFans. These goofy anti-social bastards are making it rain for chicks they can't even touch. Hustling completely backwards.
the game was never for young broke dudes it was for mature older career dudes.. Only a certain mature younger crowd was accepted in the spots other than that preferably career minded dudes 30/40+ and up... The problem is the promoters, managers, and the owners of today forgot that part or don't know that side of the game and completely chase after the wrong demographic.. They don't understand real street promotion and giving out fliers hand to hand to a selected group of men... They rely on the internet for promotion which actually can attract the wrong crowd... Also it was known as a "gentleman's club" which meant females that weren't dancers weren't really allowed access to the spot... If you ain't a dike or a tipper there's no reason you should be in the spot period..allowing broads in the spot who aren't in their to benefit the money circulation for the dancers should of never happened period...also allowing the wrong crowd in scared off the career money... Mature men don't like to be around knuckleheads, so once the knuckleheads were allowed in the real money left... Grown men buy shots and rounds not pop bottles... The bottle poppers tend to be knuckleheads.. Owners were loving the bottle sales not knowing they were making their spots knuckleheads friendly.. Something about allowing knuckleheads in your spot that is guaranteed is eventually you will get shutdown due to an incident.. Many clubs were shutdown due to incidents... Incidents means acts of violence.. Usually ending in death...that is the main reason the game is dying... Let me not even get into the fact stripper etiquette is almost completely lost...there's rules to this game and many people have never learned them...hence why the game having problems
 

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I know a chick that works on scarlets strip club in NewYork. She told me the strip club scene really been slow because the scamming game has been drying up. When credit card scam was poppin they would make it rain. Now things are slow

Plus you have Instagram. There is enough pussy on there for free to watch. So why waste money at a strip club
 

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the game was never for young broke dudes it was for mature older career dudes.. Only a certain mature younger crowd was accepted in the spots other than that preferably career minded dudes 30/40+ and up... The problem is the promoters, managers, and the owners of today forgot that part or don't know that side of the game and completely chase after the wrong demographic.. They don't understand real street promotion and giving out fliers hand to hand to a selected group of men... They rely on the internet for promotion which actually can attract the wrong crowd... Also it was known as a "gentleman's club" which meant females that weren't dancers weren't really allowed access to the spot... If you ain't a dike or a tipper there's no reason you should be in the spot period..allowing broads in the spot who aren't in their to benefit the money circulation for the dancers should of never happened period...also allowing the wrong crowd in scared off the career money... Mature men don't like to be around knuckleheads, so once the knuckleheads were allowed in the real money left... Grown men buy shots and rounds not pop bottles... The bottle poppers tend to be knuckleheads.. Owners were loving the bottle sales not knowing they were making their spots knuckleheads friendly.. Something about allowing knuckleheads in your spot that is guaranteed is eventually you will get shutdown due to an incident.. Many clubs were shutdown due to incidents... Incidents means acts of violence.. Usually ending in death...that is the main reason the game is dying... Let me not even get into the fact stripper etiquette is almost completely lost...there's rules to this game and many people have never learned them...hence why the game having problems

fake asses killed it for me....but this post is on point
 

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Chaturbate, Onlyfans, and Manyvids is killing the strip clubs

Some of these chicks in the strip clubs are totally out of touch wit the money they can be making at home on their pc.
 

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Millenials & Gen Z got the game fucked up. Since they have trouble interacting with people face-to-face they've allowed the titty bar scene to dry up in favor of Cam Sites & OnlyFans. These goofy anti-social bastards are making it rain for chicks they can't even touch. Hustling completely backwards.
That’s a word.
 

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I know a chick that works on scarlets strip club in NewYork. She told me the strip club scene really been slow because the scamming game has been drying up. When credit card scam was poppin they would make it rain. Now things are slow

Plus you have Instagram. There is enough pussy on there for free to watch. So why waste money at a strip club
see career money never dry.. If a Nig started working for mta at 25 guess what he will be doing more likely at 35 ? Still working for the mta.. By 45 guess what still working for the mta... Career money is longer and more consistent..it's why the game was aimed at them originally..once you allowed the longevity money go for that temporarily hustle money you was gonna bound to fall off... I told everyone in 2006/2007 this make it rain S hit in NYC gonna be the death of the game, no one wanted to listen , well look what happened (Bronx pretty much lost all their stripclubs), shitload of clubs in queens shutdown
 

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Chaturbate, Onlyfans, and Manyvids is killing the strip clubs

Some of these chicks in the strip clubs are totally out of touch wit the money they can be making at home on their pc.
that S the peepshow demographic..completely different audience... I knew webcam was gonna be big back in late 90s/2000 cause of them peepshow pervs.. The internet made all those guys to view the same chick at the same time in the comfort of their own home where they get to pleasure themselves and tip.. That's a diff demographic from the strip club crowd... Dancers could make money in both genres(been telling bitches that), but the strip club audience still like being in the presence of a women not on the pc at home dolo... They still want to be able to touch flesh and have things jiggle in their face... That demographic still needs their own arena and will gladly enter it as long as the environment is safe and enjoyable... Will these clubs ever figure it out is the question.. As for some of us that understand this empty void in the game some of us have created situations that have brung that crowd out on special occasions
 

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the game was never for young broke dudes it was for mature older career dudes.. Only a certain mature younger crowd was accepted in the spots other than that preferably career minded dudes 30/40+ and up... The problem is the promoters, managers, and the owners of today forgot that part or don't know that side of the game and completely chase after the wrong demographic.. They don't understand real street promotion and giving out fliers hand to hand to a selected group of men... They rely on the internet for promotion which actually can attract the wrong crowd... Also it was known as a "gentleman's club" which meant females that weren't dancers weren't really allowed access to the spot... If you ain't a dike or a tipper there's no reason you should be in the spot period..allowing broads in the spot who aren't in their to benefit the money circulation for the dancers should of never happened period...also allowing the wrong crowd in scared off the career money... Mature men don't like to be around knuckleheads, so once the knuckleheads were allowed in the real money left... Grown men buy shots and rounds not pop bottles... The bottle poppers tend to be knuckleheads.. Owners were loving the bottle sales not knowing they were making their spots knuckleheads friendly.. Something about allowing knuckleheads in your spot that is guaranteed is eventually you will get shutdown due to an incident.. Many clubs were shutdown due to incidents... Incidents means acts of violence.. Usually ending in death...that is the main reason the game is dying... Let me not even get into the fact stripper etiquette is almost completely lost...there's rules to this game and many people have never learned them...hence why the game having problems
Knucklehead, knuckleheads, knuckleheads
 

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the game was never for young broke dudes it was for mature older career dudes.. Only a certain mature younger crowd was accepted in the spots other than that preferably career minded dudes 30/40+ and up... The problem is the promoters, managers, and the owners of today forgot that part or don't know that side of the game and completely chase after the wrong demographic.. They don't understand real street promotion and giving out fliers hand to hand to a selected group of men... They rely on the internet for promotion which actually can attract the wrong crowd... Also it was known as a "gentleman's club" which meant females that weren't dancers weren't really allowed access to the spot... If you ain't a dike or a tipper there's no reason you should be in the spot period..allowing broads in the spot who aren't in their to benefit the money circulation for the dancers should of never happened period...also allowing the wrong crowd in scared off the career money... Mature men don't like to be around knuckleheads, so once the knuckleheads were allowed in the real money left... Grown men buy shots and rounds not pop bottles... The bottle poppers tend to be knuckleheads.. Owners were loving the bottle sales not knowing they were making their spots knuckleheads friendly.. Something about allowing knuckleheads in your spot that is guaranteed is eventually you will get shutdown due to an incident.. Many clubs were shutdown due to incidents... Incidents means acts of violence.. Usually ending in death...that is the main reason the game is dying... Let me not even get into the fact stripper etiquette is almost completely lost...there's rules to this game and many people have never learned them...hence why the game having problems

Most accurate and succinct description of this shit. I have been on the young, dumb "pop bottles" side and now I am on the other side. I leave the club as soon as the young dudes come in doing what I used to do. :lol:
 

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i dont know about dying off but mos-def starting to slow down,,im seeing a shift in hood money going towards jewelry and
custom cars.....
 

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the game was never for young broke dudes it was for mature older career dudes.. Only a certain mature younger crowd was accepted in the spots other than that preferably career minded dudes 30/40+ and up... The problem is the promoters, managers, and the owners of today forgot that part or don't know that side of the game and completely chase after the wrong demographic.. They don't understand real street promotion and giving out fliers hand to hand to a selected group of men... They rely on the internet for promotion which actually can attract the wrong crowd... Also it was known as a "gentleman's club" which meant females that weren't dancers weren't really allowed access to the spot... If you ain't a dike or a tipper there's no reason you should be in the spot period..allowing broads in the spot who aren't in their to benefit the money circulation for the dancers should of never happened period...also allowing the wrong crowd in scared off the career money... Mature men don't like to be around knuckleheads, so once the knuckleheads were allowed in the real money left... Grown men buy shots and rounds not pop bottles... The bottle poppers tend to be knuckleheads.. Owners were loving the bottle sales not knowing they were making their spots knuckleheads friendly.. Something about allowing knuckleheads in your spot that is guaranteed is eventually you will get shutdown due to an incident.. Many clubs were shutdown due to incidents... Incidents means acts of violence.. Usually ending in death...that is the main reason the game is dying... Let me not even get into the fact stripper etiquette is almost completely lost...there's rules to this game and many people have never learned them...hence why the game having problems
broke that shit down so that it will forever be broken :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 

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Most accurate and succinct description of this shit. I have been on the young, dumb "pop bottles" side and now I am on the other side. I leave the club as soon as the young dudes come in doing what I used to do. :lol:
:smh::smh::smh::smh::smh::smh::smh:
 

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Chaturbate, Onlyfans, and Manyvids is killing the strip clubs

Some of these chicks in the strip clubs are totally out of touch wit the money they can be making at home on their pc.
Are even half of them smart enough to use their pc for anything but the gram and uploading whack videos of something they saw ? :dunno:




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Knucklehead, knuckleheads, knuckleheads
At first it was okay with a few of them there ….. fuck …. let them make it rain and I'll come by with my umbrella for her later …. talk my talk …. find out when and where she's dancing again …. and talk more of my talk then ….. but then more of them started coming and fucked everything up …. that's what brought down World Paradise, Irvington …. at first … it was the spot .... poppin …. bad ass chicks like Cinderella's, Elizabeth used to be known for .... When Oscar sold Cinderella's to the brothers .... game changed there too .... to shit ..... all of those "New Jack Hip Hop head youngbloods" … the knuckleheads .... and the shit that they bring with them …. :hmm:
 

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At first it was okay with a few of them there ….. fuck …. let them make it rain and I'll come by with my umbrella for her later …. talk my talk …. find out when and where she's dancing again …. and talk more of my talk then ….. but then more of them started coming and fucked everything up …. that's what brought down World Paradise, Irvington …. at first … it was the spot .... poppin …. bad ass chicks like Cinderella's, Elizabeth used to be known for .... When Oscar sold Cinderella's to the brothers .... game changed there .... to shit ..... all of those "New Jack Hip Hop head youngbloods" … the knuckleheads .... and the shit that they bring with them …. :hmm:
lol cindys got shutdown cause of an incident... A few spots in nj shutdown cause of incidents... The knucklehead factor never fails when it comes to the inevitable "incidents"
 

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lol cindys got shutdown cause of an incident... A few spots in nj shutdown cause of incidents... The knucklehead factor never fails when it comes to the inevitable "incidents"
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Didn't know that about Cindy's .... just stopped going there ..... World Paradise became "world famous" for their knucklehead incidents .... nothin but bloods n crips up in there …. between the Paradise and the Dollhouse only a few blocks away on the same avenue … Irvington Mayor made it her mission to get rid of those shits ...….. :smh:



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lol cindys got shutdown cause of an incident... A few spots in nj shutdown cause of incidents... The knucklehead factor never fails when it comes to the inevitable "incidents"
as dire (and accurate) a picture you paint...at the end of the day shakey butt joints aint going extinct cuz cats are going to want to feel booty in their hands and get their blow/handjobs in...so strip clubs are like the Dow Jones...you get bull and bear markets... eventually there will be a correction at some point.

hopefully:scared::scared::scared:
 

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When I was close to the ledge I probably be at the Wedge. With a bad spanish mama between my legs.

see career money never dry.. If a Nig started working for mta at 25 guess what he will be doing more likely at 35 ? Still working for the mta.. By 45 guess what still working for the mta... Career money is longer and more consistent..it's why the game was aimed at them originally..once you allowed the longevity money go for that temporarily hustle money you was gonna bound to fall off... I told everyone in 2006/2007 this make it rain S hit in NYC gonna be the death of the game, no one wanted to listen , well look what happened (Bronx pretty much lost all their stripclubs), shitload of clubs in queens shutdown
 

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Didn't know that about Cindy's .... just stopped going there ..... World Paradise became "world famous" for their knucklehead incidents .... nothin but bloods n crips up in there ….. :smh:



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Yeah quite a few places in nj caught bodies.. I think cindys reopened under another name but wasn't the same and shutdown last time I heard... 09-12 I was running around hard body in nj... It was a lot of talent, money, and situations all over nj during my run out there.. I even brung ny talent out there and brought nj to ny... Introduced a new wave for both sides.. I think I need to do that again but this time I got my eye on another state... In fact a few.. Time to flip and adjust the game again
 

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as dire (and accurate) a picture you paint...at the end of the day shakey butt joints aint going extinct cuz cats are going to want to feel booty in their hands and get their blow/handjobs in...so strip clubs are like the Dow Jones...you get bull and bear markets... eventually there will be a correction at some point.

hopefully:scared::scared::scared:
it will more likely just need a few og to step in and correct it... Quite a bunch of people want me to come back and adjust a few things.. I prob will for the new year
 

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Why spend 20 entry fee 10 valet fee spend another 10 on drinks and 20 for a 2.8 min song/lap dance when i can use that same $60.00 and fuck a back page hoe for 30 min straight?


I know a chick that works on scarlets strip club in NewYork. She told me the strip club scene really been slow because the scamming game has been drying up. When credit card scam was poppin they would make it rain. Now things are slow

Plus you have Instagram. There is enough pussy on there for free to watch. So why waste money at a strip club
What is killing the scamming game? Dark web drug busts or something?
 

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the game was never for young broke dudes it was for mature older career dudes.. Only a certain mature younger crowd was accepted in the spots other than that preferably career minded dudes 30/40+ and up... The problem is the promoters, managers, and the owners of today forgot that part or don't know that side of the game and completely chase after the wrong demographic.. They don't understand real street promotion and giving out fliers hand to hand to a selected group of men... They rely on the internet for promotion which actually can attract the wrong crowd... Also it was known as a "gentleman's club" which meant females that weren't dancers weren't really allowed access to the spot... If you ain't a dike or a tipper there's no reason you should be in the spot period..allowing broads in the spot who aren't in their to benefit the money circulation for the dancers should of never happened period...also allowing the wrong crowd in scared off the career money... Mature men don't like to be around knuckleheads, so once the knuckleheads were allowed in the real money left... Grown men buy shots and rounds not pop bottles... The bottle poppers tend to be knuckleheads.. Owners were loving the bottle sales not knowing they were making their spots knuckleheads friendly.. Something about allowing knuckleheads in your spot that is guaranteed is eventually you will get shutdown due to an incident.. Many clubs were shutdown due to incidents... Incidents means acts of violence.. Usually ending in death...that is the main reason the game is dying... Let me not even get into the fact stripper etiquette is almost completely lost...there's rules to this game and many people have never learned them...hence why the game having problems
The change from a older mature crowd happened around the mid to late 90's. The strip club scene from then on went from that crowd to a younger crowd. Bar owners hired DJs and the shit exploded from there.
My theory is that the strip club became oversaturated and irrelevant with so money hoes out acting like freaks for free.
 

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Why spend 20 entry fee 10 valet fee spend another 10 on drinks and 20 for a 2.8 min song/lap dance when i can use that same $60.00 and fuck a back page hoe for 30 min straight?



What is killing the scamming game? Dark web drug busts or something?
Raid central in ny for scammers...back in like 2016-2017 so many team of scammers was going down it wasn't even funny..30 dudes here, 100 dudes there, 150 dudes here, etc... Worst part lot were gang affiliated so some had ties with other criminal acts... Lot of these teams were the heavy funders of making it rain in spots... Even prior to that lot of dudes was getting locked up for scamming... Than a lot of dudes were getting killed also.. So the main source of money went down and all these new fake promoters had no backup plan
 

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The change from a older mature crowd happened around the mid to late 90's. The strip club scene from then on went from that crowd to a younger crowd. Bar owners hired DJs and the shit exploded from there.
My theory is that the strip club became oversaturated and irrelevant with so money hoes out acting like freaks for free.
I'm telling you how it was in nyc... There's some heads on here that was in the game just like myself from nyc... They think I'm older because I was 1 of the few young cats running around this s hit late 90s/early 2000s... I was 19 when I first stepped in a spot 99.. I was literally a young dude surrounded by older cats in spots.. The few younger dudes that would come through spots to chill was dudes who started careers at a younger age... My boys were working at the post office late teens/early 20s, board of ed, construction, etc young cats getting legal money , it's why we was able to maneuver with the older crowd... The young knuckleheads make it rain came in 2006/2007...they were inspired by bet uncut thinking nyc nigs do like down south with all that make it rain shit..fuck the game up after that.. Old ny .. We don't give a fuck about that stage bring your ass over here and sit on my lap and grind on this dick for these 1s... It's a lot of dudes in the building so after you get that money you go around the whole spot and do that to every nig..that s how chicks use to get money in nyc.. You gonna work for that shit
 

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I'm telling you how it was in nyc... There's some heads on here that was in the game just like myself from nyc... They think I'm older because I was 1 of the few young cats running around this s hit late 90s/early 2000s... I was 19 when I first stepped in a spot 99.. I was literally a young dude surrounded by older cats in spots.. The few younger dudes that would come through spots to chill was dudes who started careers at a younger age... My boys were working at the post office late teens/early 20s, board of ed, construction, etc young cats getting legal money , it's why we was able to maneuver with the older crowd... The young knuckleheads make it rain came in 2006/2007...they were inspired by bet uncut thinking nyc nigs do like down south with all that make it rain shit..fuck the game up after that.. Old ny .. We don't give a fuck about that stage bring your ass over here and sit on my lap and grind on this dick for these 1s... It's a lot of dudes in the building so after you get that money you go around the whole spot and do that to every nig..that s how chicks use to get money in nyc.. You gonna work for that shit
The make it rain may have started in 2006/2007 but the changing of crowd from old to younger started in the mid to late 90's. The big dance clubs started to lose their luster and the bar scene became the new "dance clubs" and promoters stepped to the bar owners about making them more money (themselves as well of course).
Strip clubs used to be a novelty but by then just about every bar owner wanted to add some ass to their place.
I remember going into strip clubs when it was still a mostly (damn near all) mature crowd at time and seeing the older dudes straight finger fucking chics at their table. There we only a few chics but most were solid and there was no dj but some music playing. It like night and day now a days.
Me going to a strip club is a very rare occurrence.
 

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Why spend 20 entry fee 10 valet fee spend another 10 on drinks and 20 for a 2.8 min song/lap dance when i can use that same $60.00 and fuck a back page hoe for 30 min straight?



What is killing the scamming game? Dark web drug busts or something?

Yup facts. Online game and also escorting is killing everything.

To your question about dark web bust. I don’t know but I would assume credit card scamming is harder since most new credit cards have the chip. You can’t clone the chip.
 

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the game was never for young broke dudes it was for mature older career dudes.. Only a certain mature younger crowd was accepted in the spots other than that preferably career minded dudes 30/40+ and up... The problem is the promoters, managers, and the owners of today forgot that part or don't know that side of the game and completely chase after the wrong demographic.. They don't understand real street promotion and giving out fliers hand to hand to a selected group of men... They rely on the internet for promotion which actually can attract the wrong crowd... Also it was known as a "gentleman's club" which meant females that weren't dancers weren't really allowed access to the spot... If you ain't a dike or a tipper there's no reason you should be in the spot period..allowing broads in the spot who aren't in their to benefit the money circulation for the dancers should of never happened period...also allowing the wrong crowd in scared off the career money... Mature men don't like to be around knuckleheads, so once the knuckleheads were allowed in the real money left... Grown men buy shots and rounds not pop bottles... The bottle poppers tend to be knuckleheads.. Owners were loving the bottle sales not knowing they were making their spots knuckleheads friendly.. Something about allowing knuckleheads in your spot that is guaranteed is eventually you will get shutdown due to an incident.. Many clubs were shutdown due to incidents... Incidents means acts of violence.. Usually ending in death...that is the main reason the game is dying... Let me not even get into the fact stripper etiquette is almost completely lost...there's rules to this game and many people have never learned them...hence why the game having problems

GOT-DAMNNNNN you broke that shit allll the wayyy down...I think the regular women being allowed in was worse than the knuckleheads. When the knuckleheads started coming in they did bring the violence but they were also spending some money. When they started allowing these squares broads into the clubs the young dudes stopped spending money because they didn’t want those square broads to see them PAYING TO SEE ASS. Regular women being in the club also changed how the strippers act too, they went from popping pussy on a handstand and grinding dicks to just standing around shaking one Bootycheek because they know the regular women are watching and will go back telling what they saw them doing.
 

pookie

Thinking of a Master Plan
BGOL Investor
We don't give a fuck about that stage bring your ass over here and sit on my lap and grind on this dick for these 1s... It's a lot of dudes in the building so after you get that money you go around the whole spot and do that to every nig..that s how chicks use to get money in nyc.. You gonna work for that shit

that’s how it was down south too before that make it rain shit started. It used to be like Ronnie said, “closed legs don’t get fed”, i used to see new hoes come in there scared to dance, get naked or ask cats for dances, come back in there 3-4 weeks later they butt-nekkid before the song start with their ass spread wide open. After that make it rain shit, hoes could just stand around and wait for dudes trying to show how much money they got and make a stack doing nothing
 

LennyNero1972

Sleeping Deity.
BGOL Investor
Props to tallblacknyc for that breakdown, good observation. I quit going myself just because I got bored and now based on what I'm seeing now I ain't missing nothing. I miss the good ole days in the A from the mid to late 90's to the early 2000's the girls were better looking and less fake shit.
 
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