Is Palin Just Ignorant, or Dishonest ?

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What Sarah Palin forgets (or never knew)
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Salon
by Joe Conason
Monday, Apr 12, 2010


Listening to Sarah Palin, it is often difficult to determine whether her remarks demonstrate ignorance or dishonesty. She frequently waxes on about Ronald Reagan, for instance, revered ancestor of today's far right, whose real record bears little resemblance to the fantasies of extremists like her.



<font size="4">She Attacks Obama's Nuclear Free Policy</font size>

While attacking President Obama's nuclear weapons policies the other day -- and the strategic arms reduction treaty that he signed with Russia -- Palin said, "We miss Ronald Reagan, who used to say, when he would look at our enemies, he would say: 'No. You lose. We win.' That's what we miss. And that is what we have to get back to."

Now, Palin usually sounds bereft of even the most basic knowledge of history, let alone diplomacy, but in this case she had already graduated from college by the time Reagan decided to encourage peaceful change in the Soviet Union and rid the world of nuclear weapons entirely. In other words, she might be expected to remember those events, however vaguely, without reading a book.


<font size="4">But Reagan Wanted That Too</font size>

Reagan's utopian aspirations were never achieved, of course, but the elimination of nuclear weapons was certainly what he proposed, more than once, in negotiations with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev. The actual history of the Reagan era is worth recalling for the edification not only of Palin but of the many right-wing politicians and commentators who blather on in the same clueless (or disingenuous) way.


Beginning in November 1985, at a meeting in Geneva, Reagan and Gorbachev sought to slash nuclear weapons stockpiles in the U.S. and the Soviet Union by 50 percent or more. A year later they met in Reykjavik to discuss proposals to completely eliminate nuclear weapons from the arsenals of both nations. The U.S. president's approach was so radical -- and radically sincere, according to everyone close to him -- that it alarmed many of his more conservative advisors. His hawkish defense secretary, Caspar Weinberger, was appalled. Relieved when the Reykjavik talks ended without agreement because of a fundamental disagreement over missile defenses, the hawks were disturbed, to put it mildly, when Reagan and Gorbachev signed the Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty in 1987.

The INF treaty was truly historic, both because of its own deep cuts in the superpower arsenals and because of its symbolic portent of the imminent end of the Cold War. No treaty between the U.S. and the USSR had been signed and ratified by the Senate for 15 years by then -- and this agreement stipulated the drawdown and destruction of nuclear weapons by both sides for the first time ever.

Morever, at a moment when conservative opinion widely distrusted Gorbachev and urged Reagan to maintain bitter antagaonism toward "our enemies," he employed summitry and arms negotiations to reassure the Soviets that they could pursue liberalization without fear. It was a decisive moment in world history and one for which the intuitive president deserves great credit.​

Reagan's bold decision to cultivate Gorbachev and promote détente required him to dismiss the reflexive stupidity of his own base. Reaction from the right was almost unanimously negative: National Review and Human Events broke with him over the INF treaty, while Commentary accused him of pursuing "nuclear disarmament measures far more sweeping and radical than even many arms control proponents deem advisable." George Will denounced him for "the moral disarmament of the West by elevating wishful thinking to the level of political philosophy." Various Republican politicians, including Senate leader Robert Dole, R-Kan., declared that unlike the president, they did not trust Gorbachev.


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And the Sarah Palin of that time -- a photogenic young Republican senator from Indiana named Dan Quayle, who later became vice-president -- warned that the INF treaty would lead to "the gradual neutralization of Europe through de-nuclearization." Sounds like a phrase that could have been written for him by William Kristol, who later served as "Quayle's brain" in the first Bush White House, and reportedly has served the same mental function for Palin (with equal lack of apparent benefit).

A boiling zeal to discredit Obama as dupe or traitor has led critics on the right to falsify the content and implications of both the START treaty and the Nuclear Posture Review. Their lying necessarily includes a distorted account of the Reagan presidency -- very much in the old Soviet style of making inconvenient history disappear. But facts are stubborn things, as the Gipper once quipped, and the undeniable fact about Palin's sainted idol is that in his approach to nuclear disarmament, he was closer to Barack Obama than to belligerent kooks like her.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/joe_conason/2010/04/12/reagan
 
I believe what the authors of "GAME CHANGE" reported about Palin. Six years & five different colleges to get a bachelors degree in broadcasting. Ouch! She's an IDIOT!!! & it shows. Their reporting on John Edwards is also stunning. Edwards is a narcissistic fool. According to the book Bill Clinton was 'macking' several sexual fuck-toy Ho's while his wife was running for President! Barack Obama as is reported in this book comes across as sane, psychologically balanced, steady, erudite and non-naive about the job of POTUS.

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The book that has the political world buzzing portrays Sarah Palin not just as an ignoramus who believed Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11 but also as possibly mentally unstable.

"Game Change," the 2008 deconstruction, says the stress of vaulting onto the national stage caused Palin to have wild mood swings.

"One minute, Palin would be her perky self; the next she would fall into a strange blue funk," the authors write.

The morning of her ill-fated CBS interview with Katie Couric, Palin - "her eyes glassy and dead" - was unresponsive to attempts to prep her as she was being made up.

"As they were about to set off to meet Couric, Palin announced 'I hate this makeup' - smearing it off her face, messing up her hair, complaining she looked fat," the book relates.

Palin went on to give answers to Couric that were so incoherent the interview permanently damaged her.

Palin went into a tailspin. She stopped eating or sleeping, and drank only a half a can of diet soda a day, recounts the book written by John Heilemann of New York magazine and Mark Halperin of Time magazine.

"When her aides tried to quiz her she would routinely shut down - chin on her chest, arms folded, eyes cast to the floor, speechless and motionless, lost in what those around her described as a kind of catatonic stupor," the book says.

"If I had known everything I know now, I would not have done this," the book quotes Palin as saying.

She talked often about her baby, Trig, who spent most of the time in Alaska, and some John McCain aides thought she might be suffering postpartum depression.

When the campaign took her to Arizona to prep for the veep debate, McCain's staff made sure a doctor friend was on hand "to observe her," the book says.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...w_book_game_change_sarah_palin_believed_.html
 
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Hell, I may actually read that book (or, God forbid, purchase an "e" version), but, I can confirm, through my own emprical observations of the migratory path of the Wild Alaskan Dingbat through the lower 48, she is as ignorant as the list is long those who follow and cheer her lunacy.


QueEx
 
I honestly cannot believe that Palin is still seen by so many Republicans as a viable politician/candidate/spokesperson. If she is still around in three years they have no chance of winning the election.
 
Title: Game Change
Author: John Heilemann-Mark Halperin
Read By: Dennis Boutsikaris
Publisher: Harper Audio
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Number of MP3s: 60
Total Duration: 14:45:44
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ONE LINK DOWNLOAD for those who don't have RapidShare, although I don't know why you don't, pays for itself in 1 day.

http://hotfile.com/dl/27297722/2f19ee5/gM-Ch.rar.html

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The bitch is just plain dishonest. With the technology we have now you can look up facts in seconds. She made 12 million in a year what ignorant person does that.:angry:
 
The bitch is just plain dishonest. With the technology we have now you can look up facts in seconds. She made 12 million in a year what ignorant person does that.:angry:
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Great point.

I believe her stupidity is legit but she's purposely ignornant, making her intellectually dishonest.
 
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Hell, I may actually read that book (or, God forbid, purchase an "e" version), but, I can confirm, through my own emprical observations of the migratory path of the Wild Alaskan Dingbat through the lower 48, she is as ignorant as the list is long those who follow and cheer her lunacy.


QueEx

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Look what the cat "drug" in! A glutton for punishment.:smh::lol:

ok I'm lost..

I've been busy at work I must of missed a slew full of bs threads that you created. Let me guess, you found out that Obama has a direct bloodline to Jesus Christ himself, and you have the "credible" Huffington Post article to prove it...

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ok I'm lost..

I've been busy at work I must of missed a slew full of bs threads that you created. Let me guess, you found out that Obama has a direct bloodline to Jesus Christ himself, and you have the "credible" Huffington Post article to prove it...

:lol::lol:

I'm lost..

Honesty, that's a first.

I've been busy at work

Thank goodness for government socialism, hypocrite!

you have the "credible" Huffington Post article to prove it...

We've tried newsmax and townhall but they have proven to have no credibility.


Once again you have added nothing constructive to the conversation. At least you are consistent.
 
Honesty, that's a first.



Thank goodness for government socialism, hypocrite!



We've tried newsmax and townhall but they have proven to have no credibility.


Once again you have added nothing constructive to the conversation. At least you are consistent.

The whole premise of the conversation is flawed.

First of all, with you comparing Reagan strategy to Obama's new nuclear disarmament policy is your *and most liberals/progressives* first mistake.

Yes Reagan wanted to get rid of some nukes. However, he only wanted to do so, in a way, to make America's defense stronger. *IE Missile Defense, ect* Personally, I do not buy that Obama wants to do all of this. In fact, me and my cousin *fellow conservative* were debating that this is only a political bait to get China, and Russia to do right about the sanctions in Iran. Obama knows full well that he will not get 67 signatures from the senate for that treaty.

Talking about dishonesty, can someone explain how the health care bill will NOT raise taxes to the middle class?

BTW, Thought, you are so quick to call people "hypocrites" like you know the whole story. Now, I take it that you work, drive a car/suv, and want your family to have the best opportunities possible. I could call you a hypocrite for NOT supporting a war that will, in the long run, benefit you when it comes to gas. I mean the Iraq war was about Oil right?

On another note, if I was y'all, I wouldn't worry about Sarah Palin this much. There's someone more powerful that no conservative is talking beyond conservative circles that will shake the political landscape. So, keep on focusing on Palin....
 
She makes statements that tickle the ears of Republicans and these so called tea parties and they all thinks she's so witty.
Broad made 12 mil las year off these simps that are buying into her lameness.
 
I had a couple of hours to sleep on this thread.

While I was sleeping, I was thinking about how it used to be like in high school. When I was in high school, random people used to just spread a rumor about a person, and pretty much the whole school would take that shit verbatim. However, unlike many people at my high school, I would risk my social status to get to know the person many people talk down on. Most of the time, the person ended up being a little bit more in depth when it comes to life than the person who was talking down on them. Thus, me, having one of the most diverse group of friends when it comes to mentally, racially, spiritually, and economically at my school.

Why did I bring this point up? I pretty much understand if things people say were based of envy, and hate most of the time.

Remember, I could of easily made a post talking about "Is Obama just ignorant, or dishonest?" when it comes to pretty much ANY of his policies. Personally, I think its all planned, but I've stated my reasons before.
 
I had a couple of hours to sleep on this thread.

While I was sleeping, I was thinking about how it used to be like in high school. When I was in high school, random people used to just spread a rumor about a person, and pretty much the whole school would take that shit verbatim. However, unlike many people at my high school, I would risk my social status to get to know the person many people talk down on. Most of the time, the person ended up being a little bit more in depth when it comes to life than the person who was talking down on them. Thus, me, having one of the most diverse group of friends when it comes to mentally, racially, spiritually, and economically at my school.

Why did I bring this point up? I pretty much understand if things people say were based of envy, and hate most of the time.

Remember, I could of easily made a post talking about "Is Obama just ignorant, or dishonest?" when it comes to pretty much ANY of his policies. Personally, I think its all planned, but I've stated my reasons before.

You could, but it would be baseless. Whether you agree with him or not, he at least tries to know what he's talking about.
 
The whole premise of the conversation is flawed.

First of all, with you comparing Reagan strategy to Obama's new nuclear disarmament policy is your *and most liberals/progressives* first mistake.

Yes Reagan wanted to get rid of some nukes. However, he only wanted to do so, in a way, to make America's defense stronger. *IE Missile Defense, ect* Personally, I do not buy that Obama wants to do all of this. In fact, me and my cousin *fellow conservative* were debating that this is only a political bait to get China, and Russia to do right about the sanctions in Iran. Obama knows full well that he will not get 67 signatures from the senate for that treaty.

Talking about dishonesty, can someone explain how the health care bill will NOT raise taxes to the middle class?

BTW, Thought, you are so quick to call people "hypocrites" like you know the whole story. Now, I take it that you work, drive a car/suv, and want your family to have the best opportunities possible. I could call you a hypocrite for NOT supporting a war that will, in the long run, benefit you when it comes to gas. I mean the Iraq war was about Oil right?



On another note, if I was y'all, I wouldn't worry about Sarah Palin this much. There's someone more powerful that no conservative is talking beyond conservative circles that will shake the political landscape. So, keep on focusing on Palin....

Yes Reagan wanted to get rid of some nukes. However, he only wanted to do so, in a way, to make America's defense stronger. *IE Missile Defense, ect* Personally, I do not buy that Obama wants to do all of this.

Is that what Rush says?
 
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I had a couple of hours to sleep on this thread.

While I was sleeping, I was thinking about how it used to be like in high school. When I was in high school, random people used to just spread a rumor about a person, and pretty much the whole school would take that shit verbatim. However, unlike many people at my high school, I would risk my social status to get to know the person many people talk down on. Most of the time, the person ended up being a little bit more in depth when it comes to life than the person who was talking down on them. Thus, me, having one of the most diverse group of friends when it comes to mentally, racially, spiritually, and economically at my school.

Why did I bring this point up? I pretty much understand . . . people say [things] . . . based of envy, and hate most of the time.

Remember, I could of easily made a post talking about "Is Obama just ignorant, or dishonest?" when it comes to pretty much ANY of his policies. Personally, I think its all planned, but I've stated my reasons before.

At first, I was surprised that you would be Dreaming about Sarah Palin :hmm:

At the mention of the unread simpleton's name, you step in, never faillin.

"why are we posting shit about Palin again?"

Like we're the one, lyin like sin.

I started to think, why is it the Bro never comes with arms full of truth to put to rest the the lies against his Lil Alaskan Dingbat Princess?

Could it be, as he blames us, he obsess ???

Then one night when you "had a couple of hours to sleep"
Thoughts came out that you could not keep.
"While [you] was sleeping, [and] thinking"
Truth came out, like a mofo been drinking.

I'd always wondered bout your Palin Obsession;
We speak truth and you call it transgression;
Attack us; like we committed an indiscretion
and then I realized,
that while you slept, you had made a confession:


"Why did I bring this point up?
I pretty much understand
. . .
people say [things] . . .
based of envy, and hate most of the time."


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Wouldn't say she's ignorant guess it depends on how one measures intelligence. She's was the 1st female gov of Alaska, 1st female vice president candidate for the GOP and she managed to abandon her position while under ethics investigation and walk away with 12 million dollars. She might be a lot of things but ignorant is not one of them.
 
Wouldn't say she's ignorant guess it depends on how one measures intelligence. She's was the 1st female gov of Alaska, 1st female vice president candidate for the GOP and she managed to abandon her position while under ethics investigation and walk away with 12 million dollars. She might be a lot of things but ignorant is not one of them.

You can still be ignorant and successful. Need I remind you of our past President?
 
You can still be ignorant and successful. Need I remind you of our past President?


I don't think Bush is a good comparison. He was born rich and privileged, Palin really did start at the bottom. I don't agree with her on the issues but she is smart and lucid. Unethical but savvy at politics and shaping public opinion.
 
I don't think Bush is a good comparison. He was born rich and privileged, Palin really did start at the bottom. I don't agree with her on the issues but she is smart and lucid. Unethical but savvy at politics and shaping public opinion.

Palin did not start at the bottom. She had a very nice, middle class life. When I say she's ignorant, I mean that in the context of she really doesn't know what she doesn't know and makes no effort to learn any better. I completely agree that she's savvy and unethical but she's not smart.
 
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At first, I was surprised that you would be Dreaming about Sarah Palin :hmm:

At the mention of the unread simpleton's name, you step in, never faillin.

"why are we posting shit about Palin again?"

Like we're the one, lyin like sin.

I started to think, why is it the Bro never comes with arms full of truth to put to rest the the lies against his Lil Alaskan Dingbat Princess?

Could it be, as he blames us, he obsess ???

Then one night when you "had a couple of hours to sleep"
Thoughts came out that you could not keep.
"While [you] was sleeping, [and] thinking"
Truth came out, like a mofo been drinking.

I'd always wondered bout your Palin Obsession;
We speak truth and you call it transgression;
Attack us; like we committed an indiscretion
and then I realized,
that while you slept, you had made a confession:


"Why did I bring this point up?
I pretty much understand
. . .
people say [things] . . .
based of envy, and hate most of the time."


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Honestly, talking to you is like me telling one of my sister's hot sorority friends to go up to Ben Roethlisberger hotel room.. We all know where it's going to end up. You never speak YOUR real views, however, you find contradictions in everyone's view. Thus, why I put you in the bucket.

And what a shitty bucket it is....

Nice poem.... :lol:

It may not seems like it, but I have a good sense of humor.
 
I was just messin with you.

My opinion on Palin? - I think she's an unintelligent populist. I think she sees/knows her audience and, like populist do, she plays well to it. I have never seen her take an issue and nuance it so that we can see any real ability to think and analyze or do anything other than repeat stump speech and talking points.

QueEx
 
I was just messin with you.

My opinion on Palin? - I think she's an unintelligent populist. I think she sees/knows her audience and, like populist do, she plays well to it. I have never seen her take an issue and nuance it so that we can see any real ability to think and analyze or do anything other than repeat stump speech and talking points.

QueEx

I know dude lol..

On Palin, I will admit that she isn't as polished as I would want her to be. However, I think that's what gives her the charm. I do not think she is ready to take on Obama right now. However, if Obama keeps going the way he is going, she might have a better chance than any of us will ever admit.

Like I said earlier, people are focused on Palin, but in reality, there's someone behind the curtain that's a way better choice on the conservative republican side.
 
I know dude lol..

On Palin, I will admit that she isn't as polished as I would want her to be. However, I think that's what gives her the charm. I do not think she is ready to take on Obama right now. However, if Obama keeps going the way he is going, she might have a better chance than any of us will ever admit.

Like I said earlier, people are focused on Palin, but in reality, there's someone behind the curtain that's a way better choice on the conservative republican side.

I do not think she is ready to take on Obama right now. However, if Obama keeps going the way he is going, she might have a better chance than any of us will ever admit.

You are correct. She's qualified to take on Medvedev and Putin because she can see Russia from Alaska.
 
On Palin, I will admit that she isn't as polished as I would want her to be.
But what is "polished" ???

If you mean from a "Delivery standpoint" she is not "X", thats one thing. Sarah can successfully repeat quips, especially the ones her audience wants to hear and indulge itself in.

If were talking about whether she's "Learned", thats another. I'm not concerned about her delivery; I don't believe she has the mental skill or preparedness. I thought the same, by the way, of George W. Bush. LOL. I truly believe his ass is a dullard who couldn't personally think his ass out of telephone booth -- hence, it was too easy for us to end up in Iraq.


However, I think that's what gives her the charm. I do not think she is ready to take on Obama right now. However, if Obama keeps going the way he is going, she might have a better chance than any of us will ever admit.
I don't think Sarah is in the same intellectual league with the President. But, her audience doesn't care whether she's mentally capable or not. The audience is just cheering at the pep rally. And, right now, it'll take a win, no matter what sombitch can deliver it.

With respect to whether Obama can win a second term: Its way to early to be talking about that and its still too early to judge what effects of those who want the President to fail, have had. Without question, the "Failers" have had some success; but I keep seeing the President ease back.

I think a lot of people, perhaps yourself included, thought the President would be running a West Coast fun and gun offense. The way I see it, he's been doing it more old-school SEC style: three yards a cloud of dust; if you don't make a first down, punt and play field position. When the defense (Failers, Birthers, Truthers, etc., have thought they have had him on the ropes, he's maintain his persistence until he's gotten the ball in position for at least a field goal. A case in point? - see, Healthcare; see, nuclear agreement with the Russians; see, economy slowly turning around, though critics throw bricks at any shortcoming they see in that turn around, hoping that something hits the president upside the head.


Like I said earlier, people are focused on Palin, but in reality, there's someone behind the curtain that's a way better choice on the conservative republican side.
Oh, I don't doubt. Romney and others may be willing to let Palin fire-up/entertain the base right now, nothing else is, especially "NO". But, when its time to run, I expect the party's players to distance and distinguish themselves from Palin.

QueEx
 
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