Is Negotiating with Al Qaeda an option ???

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<font size="6"><center>Is negotiating with Al Qaida an option? </font size></center>

By Allen J. Zerkin

Isn't it clear by now that the United States and its allies are not likely to be able to wipe out Al Qaida or ensure that we are not attacked again domestically? As the British acknowledged in July, the London attacks were just a matter of when, not if. To be sure, the terrorists can't win this war, but neither can we.

The most serious risk is that Al Qaida will sooner or later be able to attack us with a biological or nuclear weapon, not merely the conventional bombs used in London and Madrid or the suicide car bombs being used to such gruesome effect in Iraq during the past few days.

Long-term strategies to win Muslim hearts and minds through democratisation, public diplomacy and greater economic opportunity are therefore likely to be a case of too little, too late. Even if, somehow, many are won over, such strategies will have no effect on the recruits who are being drawn to Al Qaida every day, especially among Sunni populations where US troops are stationed.

So is there a Plan B? The most recent videotaped message from Ayman Al Zawahiri, Al Qaida's second-in-command, broadcast on August 4, is a reminder that there could be in the form of some sort of political engagement.

Unthinkable? In his message, Al Zawahiri referred to Osama Bin Laden's April 2004 offer of a truce to any European country that made a commitment to stop "attacking Muslims, or intervening in their affairs". European governments immediately dismissed the offer. Why?

For starters, because the West believes there is nothing to be negotiated when it comes to Al Qaida. Terrorist acts are either senseless violence (which means there is nothing to talk about) or part of a plan to destroy our way of life (which is non-negotiable). As White House spokesman Scott McClellan said, "Terrorists will use any excuse to carry out evil attacks on innocent human beings."

It's also believed a truce is impossible because Bin Laden and company will not act in good faith. In the words of former US Secretary of State Colin Powell, "How can you make a deal with a terrorist?" And finally, even if we could make a deal with Al Qaida, we shouldn't engagement with terrorists would only encourage them.

Initial demands

It's time to take a fresh look at this logic. Does Al Qaida have non-negotiable goals? Al Zawahiri said: "There will be no salvation until you withdraw from our land, stop stealing our oil and resources and end support for infidel, corrupt rulers." Some argue that this is an initial set of demands that the real goal is imposing Islam on the West.

Maybe. But what if, instead, Al Qaida's agenda is what its leaders repeatedly say it is: an end to the Western military presence in Muslim lands, to "uncritical political support and military aid" to Israel, and to support of corrupt Middle Eastern regimes. Most scholars of Islam argue that because jihad is a defensive concept, the attacks on the West must be understood as retaliation for perceived provocations, and that stated agenda which has been consistent since 1996 should be taken literally.

But can one make a deal with terrorists? The British eventually dealt with the IRA, and the French with the Algerian FLN. A few months ago it was reported that US Army officers negotiated with insurgent leaders in Iraq.

As to whether we should deal with them, there is a legitimate concern, but it's a Catch-22: If aggrieved parties are ignored by an authoritarian government, they often eventually resort to violence, and then if the government is loath to engage them for fear of legitimising their tactics, the grievances remain and the violence continues. (Think of the American colonists and George III or the early Zionists and the British.)

Sooner or later we may find ourselves having little choice but to seek a truce with Al Qaida, no matter how much it galls us. And waiting until there are many more US and European, Egyptian, Saudi, Iraqi casualties only weakens our position because it will then be clear that Plan A has failed and we are desperate.

Is all this hopelessly naive? Consider this: In the wake of the Beslan terrorist attack, none other than neocon theoretician Richard Pipes called upon Russian President Vladimir Putin to negotiate Chechen sovereignty with those terrorists, on the grounds that the conflict had historical roots (there were real grievances) and because the Chechens had "resorted to terrorism for the limited objective of independence ... not [destroying] Russia".

Pipes then tried to distinguish the Russian situation from "America's war with Al Qaida", asserting that the latter was non-negotiable because Al Qaida's attacks, unlike the Chechens', "were unprovoked and had no specific objective. Rather, they were part of a general assault of Islamic extremists bent on destroying non-Islamic civilisations".

But Al Qaida does feel provoked, and if, as I have suggested, it has limited and specific goals, then Pipes' advice to Putin applies to us.

Some argue that the US should just unilaterally change the policies that provoke Al Qaida. I would argue that if we do, we risk not getting the peace we seek, and we would then have already given away our negotiating leverage.

I'm not suggesting that we engage in direct meetings with Al Qaida, nor that we stop pursuing those who commit or support acts of terror. But, through back channels, we should seek to determine if Bin Laden would withdraw his "fatwa" against Americans in exchange for certain policy changes, if Al Qaida would settle for less than its maximum demands and if its far-flung followers would honour a truce.

There is evidence that the answer to all these is yes, but it's inconclusive. With the stakes this high, shouldn't we find out for certain?

- Los Angeles Times-Washington Post

Allen J. Zerkin is a research fellow at New York University's Centre for Catastrophic Preparedness and Response and an adjunct professor at its Wagner Graduate School of Public Service.


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Thats if this Al K da guy even existed. Unfortunately, merely a fig newton crum on the avarice finger tip couldn't satisfy the unsatiable hunger of an obese tapeworm in the eath's intestins with its earthworm cousins waitin w their leech friends to slowly suck all lifeforms into absolution.
 
If its got to the point where the wer even considering negociating with Al Qaeda we should just end this now and give in to all Bin Ladens demands, god if motherfuckers were this soft back in WW2 we'd all be speaking German right now or dead.
 
Bumping this from the Arvhives - since there has been so much talk
about talking to our enemies, during the presidential campaigns.

No one is talking about talking to Al Qaeda yet, but, should they ???


QueEx
 
The CIA and US Government trained and armed both Taliban and al-Qaida under the Carter Administration, both mentally and physically. They gave them Ibn Taymiyyah's extremist Islam teachings(not saying all Islam is extremist) along with ak-47's, missile launchers, etc.

The military flew Al-Qaida leaders out of Afghanistan before the first bomb was even dropped in 2001. So all we were killing were innocent women and children. And then they were flown to Iraq compliments of OUR military AGAIN...

It's all a game...
 
The CIA and US Government trained and armed both Taliban and al-Qaida under the Carter Administration, both mentally and physically. They gave them Ibn Taymiyyah's extremist Islam teachings(not saying all Islam is extremist) along with ak-47's, missile launchers, etc.
Yeah, Yeah, yada, yada, blahfuckingblah. We all know this bit of history; just as we should know too that the Russians help fund shit against us during the Cold War and, vice-versa, counter vice-versa, ad infinitum.


Partial_Mathers said:
The military flew Al-Qaida leaders out of Afghanistan before the first bomb was even dropped in 2001. So all we were killing were innocent women and children. And then they were flown to Iraq compliments of OUR military AGAIN...

It's all a game...

Now that I don't think we are all aware of (especially me), so could you please provide some facts on that allegation.

QueEx
 
Negotiations only really can happen when both sides are rational and have a reasonable expectation that they will get at least SOME of what they want. I can't forsee that with Al Qaeda.
 
Yeah, Yeah, yada, yada, blahfuckingblah. We all know this bit of history; just as we should know too that the Russians help fund shit against us during the Cold War and, vice-versa, counter vice-versa, ad infinitum.




Now that I don't think we are all aware of (especially me), so could you please provide some facts on that allegation.

QueEx

sure. Seymour Hersh, the same reporter that revealed Cheney was tossing around the idea of bombing miltary carriers to justify a war with Iran, talked about it with Bill Moyers.

http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_hersh.html
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Jump to 30:40 on this one below

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I don't think you can negotiate with AlQ straight up. I'm not talking from a ideological standpoint. I think some factions of the group are sold on wilding out no matter what. I do believe however, that as we open more "civilized" channels of communication, along with some real aid to the more impoverished areas of the middle east, cats will be more willing to chill with dramatics.

Right now, most people in the hot zones only know of death & destruction. If people were to see roads, building, schools and stores going up, people would start having a vested interest in seeing a positive, successful outcome.

We need to make a more collaborative effort among the citizenry, as opposed to the bombs and bullets approach. Once the people have a stake in the success, they will begin to regulate the radicals.

Also, you cant use massive, traditional war tactics to fight a distributed insurgency in a far off land. Just ask the British how that American Revolutionary War went.
 
how can you negotiate with a group? What are you going to negotiate about?

Its not like Al Qaeda is a country....
 
It has to be whether we like it or not. No undeclared "war" has ever been brought to an end without the parties engaging in some measure of overt or back channel negotiation.
 
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