Is Chris Fauria Hating on Ray Lewis or Speaking the truth?

[mexico]

Man half of y'all niggas never played (i.e. actually played and excelled) HIGH SCHOOL football, much less college or in the league and SWEAR yall know football...

Ray Lewis was a great player, vicious tackler, and team leader, but he has capitalizes from having some great 1 and 3 techniques playing in front of him for his career, which is CRITICAL for exceptional LB play. These variables, for the most part, Junior Seau did not have.

I think you're shortchanging Ray a bit here. No doubt that 2000 Raven team was stocked with defensive talent all around him -- especially the brick wall of Goose and Adams to keep him clean, but like I noted in my other post, Ray Lewis was Defensive Player of the Year in two systems: once in the 4-3 and once in the 3-4.

The year he won in the 3-4, he had Kelly Gregg at the Nose and Marques Douglas and Anthony Weaver playing the 5. That's a big step down from Siragusa, Adams and later Ngata.

 

[mathtest]

i think derrick Thomas and Lawrence Taylor are better overall linebackers than Lewis but Lewis is an mlb so its hard to compare, as for seau i watched more of seau than Lewis so i might be a lil bias, off topic tho i think Brian urlacer is the most overrated linebacker in nfl history

 

[Ming Fei Hong]

I wouldn't recognize this Chris Fauria character in a police line-up if he mugged me in broad daylight at gun point.

 

[vandamation]

But LT is a OLB and Ray is a MLB..would you say that Ray is the greatest MLB ever?

Inside linebacker... can't compare LT to Ray... not really.

Sorry Charlie LT was outside LB.

And you msut have never watched Lambert or Singletary and Urlacher is old now but you can't omit him.

Man half of y'all niggas never played (i.e. actually played and excelled) HIGH SCHOOL football, much less college or in the league and SWEAR yall know football...

Ray Lewis was a great player, vicious tackler, and team leader, but he has capitalizes from having some great 1 and 3 techniques playing in front of him for his career, which is CRITICAL for exceptional LB play. These variables, for the most part, Junior Seau did not have.

Ray is a Hall of Famer, no doubt, but I think his "ambassadorship" comes more from his pre game histrionics and showmanship when he knew he was "wired" for sound.

Number one...

I DO NOT CARE IF RAY WAS INSIDE... OR OUTSIDE LINEBACKER...
To me... it doesn't matter... BASED ON HIS PERFORMANCE...
His performance speaks for itself...

Ray Lewis is simply in the top#3 linebackers... EVER....


NOW...

As it pertains to LT #56...

I know LT was an outside LB... BUT... He's the GREATEST LB... PERIOD

To me... He's the ONLY linebacker better than Ray... That's my opinion...

And believe me... I've seen Jack Lambert.... Singletary... Seau... Urlacher... and WHOLE HOST of the other good... and great LBs...

HELL... I'm a Giants' fan... I've seen the GREAT Harry Carson...

BUT... none of them... were fuckin' with LT#56...

IF LT wanted to... He could have played any LB position he wanted...

There's something that needs to be said for a guy who can carry a franchise like Ray has... Especially from the defensive side of ball...

Then, there's something to be said for a guy who does that... AND LEAVES THAT TEAM TO A SUPER BOWL WIN...

Ray is a guy... who's done that... and that... combine with his play elevates him over a lot of other GREATS at the position...

 

[moblack]

You guys are speaking as fans. From the look of football what he is saying is true. Ray always played behind a big nose tackle. That kept the o line off of him so he could make plays. If you put Ray Lewis in the position to tussle with linemen on every play he doesn't become who he is. Why you think they kept a big nose tackle in front of him.

 

[Amajorfucup]

"As the game changes, he got older he changed his style of play, I'd put Junior Seau ahead of Ray.

Chris has a point in that Ray greatly benefited from having lard asses Like Sam and Goose to keep blockers off him. BUT, hat doesnt diminish his greatness at all. Rays worse year(s) (And years where critics questioned if he had lost "it") were when BMore lost Goose and switched schemes.

That being said, Chris has lost his fucking mind saying Seau was a better player. Out of all the so-called great LBs of the 90's, Seau was the most overrated in my opinion. I even remember when San Diego started listing him as a OLB to keep his pro bowl streak alive because he wouldnt have sniffed a pro bowl for about a 5year stretch. Seau literally played an entire decade when he was just a guy. Ray was at pro bowl level a legitimate 14years of his 17year career.

 

[SWATLANTA]

A little background. In 1993 Ray Lewis and Miami played the Colorado Buffaloes (pretty good game). There was a huge fight in that game and Miami beat the shit out of the Buffaloes in the fight. Christian Fauria was an All-American tight end at the time and during the game he got rocked repeatedly. The biggest hit coming when Rohan Marley and Ray Lewis hit him and gave him a concussion and knocked him out of the game...Fauria is still bitter and butt-hurt about that game...Dude is a bitter faggot


0:42 he hit Fauria with a safety and at 1:00 Fauria got rocked...what you don't see is Fauria wobbling off the field


LMAO...it's at the 3 minute mark

 

[kdogg3270]

There did seem to be a twinge of hate when he was speaking because he was campaigning too hard for Seau. Seau was a great player but he was not in Rays league imo, Fauria also said on a scale of 1-10 he put Romo being able to lead his team to a victory against the skins at an 8.

he's still bitter at getting cut by the skins. fuck him.

 

[A$AP SaVaGe]

i think derrick Thomas and Lawrence Taylor are better overall linebackers than Lewis but Lewis is an mlb so its hard to compare, as for seau i watched more of seau than Lewis so i might be a lil bias, off topic tho i think Brian urlacer is the most overrated linebacker in nfl history

 

[A$AP SaVaGe]

A little background. In 1993 Ray Lewis and Miami played the Colorado Buffaloes (pretty good game). There was a huge fight in that game and Miami beat the shit out of the Buffaloes in the fight. Christian Fauria was an All-American tight end at the time and during the game he got rocked repeatedly. The biggest hit coming when Rohan Marley and Ray Lewis hit him and gave him a concussion and knocked him out of the game...Fauria is still bitter and butt-hurt about that game...Dude is a bitter faggot


0:42 he hit Fauria with a safety and at 1:00 Fauria got rocked...what you don't see is Fauria wobbling off the field

 

[Twim3000]

I disagree with Fauria...

Seau was a GREAT MLB...

BUT... He wasn't fuckin with Ray...

There's ONLY one Linebacker better than Ray...

And that's... THE REAL LT...#56... That's IT!!!!...

What About Him?

 

[vandamation]

What About Him?

He's #3...
I think Ray was slightly better...but.... one can make the argument for Mike being better...

 

[jaybar82]

 

[sinsay]

That "he needed great DL in front of him" stuff is so completely overblown.

Yes, "at times" he had some very good DL in front of him, but that is not what made him what he was.

When he won his second defensive player of the year award, he was in a 3-4 (one fewer DL in front of him) and his starting DL were guys named Marques Douglass, Anthony Weaver and Kelly Gregg. Not a single pro bowler and with the exception of Gregg, none were career starters. And those were his defensive linemen (or guys like that) from 2002-2005 when he was still wrecking the league.

People act like he had Sam Adams (was only there for 2 years), Goose (was only there for 3) and Ngata in front of him for his entire career. Ray was dominating before any of them came to Baltimore and in between when none of them were on the roster after they were cut.

 

[vandamation]

That "he needed great DL in front of him" stuff is so completely overblown.

Yes, "at times" he had some very good DL in front of him, but that is not what made him what he was.

When he won his second defensive player of the year award, he was in a 3-4 (one fewer DL in front of him) and his starting DL were guys named Marques Douglass, Anthony Weaver and Kelly Gregg. Not a single pro bowler and with the exception of Gregg, none were career starters. And those were his defensive linemen (or guys like that) from 2002-2005 when he was still wrecking the league.

People act like he had Sam Adams (was only there for 2 years), Goose (was only there for 3) and Ngata in front of him for his entire career. Ray was dominating before any of them came to Baltimore and in between when none of them were on the roster after they were cut.

It's doesn't matter... who was in front of him... He still made the plays...

 

[mexico]

I know LT was an outside LB... BUT... He's the GREATEST LB... PERIOD

Actually, you have to caveat LT's position. You can't compare LT to Ray Lewis any more than you can compare Jared Allen to Lance Briggs. LT was a pass rusher in a 3-4. Position-wise, that's closer to a defensive end. If you want to compare and say he was simply a better football player than Lewis, fair enough. But you can't say he was a better linebacker, because what LT was asked to do couldn't have been further from what Ray Lewis did in the middle.

A more apt comparision would be to compare LT to other great pass rushers like Bruce Smith or Reggie White. LT very rarely dropped into coverage (his job was actually simplified because he made so many mistakes in coverage), never called signals in the defense, never had to to scrape from gap to gap, never had to play in space. LT was never really asked to fill the traditional linebacker role.

Completely different worlds. If LT had been put into a 4-3 system, he wouldn't have played as any sort of linebacker. He would have been a rush end.

 

[sinsay]

Chris has a point in that Ray greatly benefited from having lard asses Like Sam and Goose to keep blockers off him. BUT, hat doesnt diminish his greatness at all. Rays worse year(s) (And years where critics questioned if he had lost "it") were when BMore lost Goose and switched schemes.

He won defensive player of the year in a 3-4 and without Goose or Adams.

That shit annoys the fuck out of me...as if they made his career...they were together for 3 fucking years lol.

No other DL gets points deducted for having good DL. Singletary had Dan Hampton and Steve McMichael (both made not just pro bowl, but all pro teams) in front of him...in a defense that at time put 6 guys covering up each lineman and TE (the 46). Lambert had 4 all pros and 2 boarderline HOF's in front of him.

Seau and Butkus didn't have much talent around them, but Seau wasn't a MLB at his peak and as such, didn't have to fight through as much traffic.

 

[Amajorfucup]

He won defensive player of the year in a 3-4 and without Goose or Adams.

That shit annoys the fuck out of me...as if they made his career...they were together for 3 fucking years lol.

No other DL gets points deducted for having good DL. Singletary had Dan Hampton and Steve McMichael (both made not just pro bowl, but all pro teams) in front of him...in a defense that at time put 6 guys covering up each lineman and TE (the 46). Lambert had 4 all pros and 2 boarderline HOF's in front of him.

Seau and Butkus didn't have much talent around them, but Seau wasn't a MLB at his peak and as such, didn't have to fight through as much traffic.

You are responding to the wrong guy. Everything i said in my post was 100% accurate. And none of it devalued Ray as a great player at all.

 

[vandamation]

Actually, you have to caveat LT's position. You can't compare LT to Ray Lewis any more than you can compare Jared Allen to Lance Briggs. LT was a pass rusher in a 3-4. Position-wise, that's closer to a defensive end. If you want to compare and say he was simply a better football player than Lewis, fair enough. But you can't say he was a better linebacker, because what LT was asked to do couldn't have been further from what Ray Lewis did in the middle.

A more apt comparision would be to compare LT to other great pass rushers like Bruce Smith or Reggie White. LT very rarely dropped into coverage (his job was actually simplified because he made so many mistakes in coverage), never called signals in the defense, never had to to scrape from gap to gap, never had to play in space. LT was never really asked to fill the traditional linebacker role.

Completely different worlds. If LT had been put into a 4-3 system, he wouldn't have played as any sort of linebacker. He would have been a rush end.

I look at it from performance...

And... I've never seen a LB perform like LT#56... Inside or outside... Plain and simple...

I've ONLY seen ONE LB other than Ray lead his team to a Super Bowl...

LT#56 CHANGED THE GAME... He changed how Tackles line up...

If people want to separate inside LBs and Outside LBs... fine...

BUT... when you put the best outside and inside LBs together... and ask me...

Who was the best OVERALL linebacker... I'm going with LT#56... then... Ray... then... it's a pick 'em...

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Mike > Dick > LT > Ray > urlacher >____ > eric weddle > seau

 

[HeathCliff]

Didn't know Rohan Marley played for the U

 

[Complex]

i think derrick Thomas and Lawrence Taylor are better overall linebackers than Lewis but Lewis is an mlb so its hard to compare, as for seau i watched more of seau than Lewis so i might be a lil bias, off topic tho i think Brian urlacer is the most overrated linebacker in nfl history

I don't think you know what you're talking about to even judge Urlacher.

Derrick Thomas is a pass rusher. LT changed the game, so he's an exception, but you can't even really compare the two. A middle linebacker is the QB of the defense. He's the one making adjustments and calling plays when the QB calls an audible. Who was getting ten tackles a game, Harry Carson or LT?

A pass rusher like Demarcus Ware has one role, get to the QB. Urlacher used to drop in to coverage on RB's and TE's in addition to other responsibilities with the QB and running back. If Derrick Thomas had one sack, he had a good game. There might be 60 offensive plays and a middle linebacker is active in all of them.

Now how is someone who was near the league leaders in tackles, forced numerous turnovers and was QB of one of the top defenses year after year overrated He was damn near a second strong safety in certain defensive situations the way they used him all over the field.

 

[RAY V.]

Didn't know Rohan Marley played for the U

yep and got a youtube miami football reel too

 

[TheBigOne]

WHAT!?


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[Mello Mello]

Yeah a good D-line allowed him to be more effective in the game. It's like he's degrade Ray for playing with equally effective teammates. That's all apart of the team effort that's how you become great by playing with other great players. Further, Ray didn't have that d-line for very long either and he still performed well. That said there are strengths and weaknesses to every-bodies game you just have to learn how to exploit them. For Ray to be in the game this long and to perform at the levels he has it solidified him among the GOAT's as one of the bad-ass MLB's to ever play the gridiron. GTFOH Fauria! Never even heard of this fool until this thread.

 

[BigATLslim]

A little background. In 1993 Ray Lewis and Miami played the Colorado Buffaloes (pretty good game). There was a huge fight in that game and Miami beat the shit out of the Buffaloes in the fight. Christian Fauria was an All-American tight end at the time and during the game he got rocked repeatedly. The biggest hit coming when Rohan Marley and Ray Lewis hit him and gave him a concussion and knocked him out of the game...Fauria is still bitter and butt-hurt about that game...Dude is a bitter faggot


0:42 he hit Fauria with a safety and at 1:00 Fauria got rocked...what you don't see is Fauria wobbling off the field


LMAO...it's at the 3 minute mark

...wait, Rohan Marley attended the U...?

Wait, Rohan Marley attended the U, played defense, and was a BEAST?

Hell, I was a college football fanatic. How in the hell did I miss this?

 

[vandamation]

...wait, Rohan Marley attended the U...?

Wait, Rohan Marley attended the U, played defense, and was a BEAST?

Hell, I was a college football fanatic. How in the hell did I miss this?

Rohan Marley... Ray Lewis... Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson... and I think Warren Sapp... were all on the same defense at one time...

Sapp may have left... BUT... I do know that Johnson... Marley... Lewis were there together...

 

[itzmotto]

I disagree with Fauria...

Seau was a GREAT MLB...

BUT... He wasn't fuckin with Ray...

There's ONLY one Linebacker better than Ray...

And that's... THE REAL LT...#56... That's IT!!!!...

Yesir!!!