Is China trying to Poison Us ?
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In answer to your question no they aren't. China is steadily marching toward becoming the most powerful nation on earth. What the U.S. would like is to stop that march of course. Controlling the oil and gas in the Caspian and the Gulf was a hegemonic move toward that end.
If you think there is a problem with China's production just look at how many people were killed or injured by American made products in the same period in which those reports of Chinese products were hyped.
If you think there is a problem with China's production just look at how many people were killed or injured by American made products in the same period in which those reports of Chinese products were hyped.
I find this laughable. The right is bitching about how China is gaining power and influence in the world. They complain that China needs to revalue the Yuan to reflect is true value. Who decided to weaken the American economy by weakening trade unions, exporting American jobs to countries that have an unfair advantage of little or no worker rights and product safety standards and tearing down economic boarders, by making American capital flow to the lowest moral common denominator? It’s like they have created a monster and don’t know how to control it. The incredible military machine the right worships so much and gives them sexual vibrato, that was used to muscle other countries is no longer is a factor. If the United States threatens Taiwan, the Chinese threaten to call in the American securities thus throwing our economy in to havoc. They have trumped us militarily without expending one Yuan on a weapons program. The conservatives and their modern day equivalents the neo cons have miscalculated. Through their political crapulence they have painted themselves in to a corner. I guess Cheney saw it coming, by relocating Halliburton to Dubai and heavily reinvesting in foreign currency. So much for patriotism!
thoughtone said:
Exactly. Their totalitarian regime has allowed all manners of shit to be fed to Chinese people for generations but now that they're shipping that same shit out to other countries it's going to be a problem. Our issue is how many are going to die/get sick before we have an administration who feels American lives are more important than Chinese money.
The tainted toothpaste is still being sold in China as/is.
we have already been poisoned..this media blitz (who controls ?) is to fuk up china's rep. china hosts Olympics next year. That's huge for china but bad for neocons/NWO becuz chinese runs/controls china (ie, they control their country,top to bottom). The chinese FDA head committed suicide (over $850k bribe), committed suicide over 850k?..our officials are compensated and given bonuses..any official head rolled after 911? How many times have APPROVED drugs killed our people over and over and over with no consequences? who RUNS THE DRUGS industry? media? diamonds (blood and all)?music? neocons hands are in EVERY COOKIE JAR the world over and when they are challenged, watch da fuk out. Take a careful look at the darfur situation. Guess who fully funds the 'save the darfur project'? ok, can this same funder fund a 'save the palestinians' project? 
,that's high-level hypocrisy.. connect the DOTS and fuk outta here brothers. please. remember the 'terror here, terror there scam..all of a sudden, we saw a sh8load of 'white overnight security consultants' on all the major TV (media) stations giving advise & getting major $$..ALL OF A SUDDEN, EVERYTHING FROM CHINA IS FUKD UP? ...wow. go back to pics (about Kenya) a brother posted and start questioning sh8..acc to bro sammy, we (USA) fell off, and that's the hard truth..china gaves these neocons a run for their $ without SHOOTING A BULLET..now that's gangster..
,that's high-level hypocrisy.. connect the DOTS and fuk outta here brothers. please. remember the 'terror here, terror there scam..all of a sudden, we saw a sh8load of 'white overnight security consultants' on all the major TV (media) stations giving advise & getting major $$..ALL OF A SUDDEN, EVERYTHING FROM CHINA IS FUKD UP? ...wow. go back to pics (about Kenya) a brother posted and start questioning sh8..acc to bro sammy, we (USA) fell off, and that's the hard truth..china gaves these neocons a run for their $ without SHOOTING A BULLET..now that's gangster..Yes China is trying to poison America and regardless of how some of us feel about Bush, Cheney conservatives or whatever this is not a good thing. China is not ready to be major players, they don't have a clue about leading, if they keep growing unchecked like they are now they will do something stupid without even thinking about consequences. I trade with them every week and they believe that they are calling shots because they have manufacturing, they don't understand we own the brands and they are just labor, without brands you don't need labor. If American companies keep recalling products made in China they will do something rash, start trade wars, cause a global depression, without even thinking about it. Like I said whether you agree with our policies or not China is not ready for the big leagues.
nittie,
A lot of what Walmart sells is non-brand.
They way the Chinese just appropriate/steal names with impunity, who needs Brand name?
Most publications I read, say China IS a player in the big leagues; and may soon own the league.
In a trade war with China, who would be the winners; and who would be the losers ???
Why is it everytime I think I'm buying Made in U.S.A., I find a component of it was made somewhere with a language I can't pronounce?
QueEx
A lot of what Walmart sells is non-brand.
They way the Chinese just appropriate/steal names with impunity, who needs Brand name?
Most publications I read, say China IS a player in the big leagues; and may soon own the league.
In a trade war with China, who would be the winners; and who would be the losers ???
Why is it everytime I think I'm buying Made in U.S.A., I find a component of it was made somewhere with a language I can't pronounce?
QueEx
Walmart is China's 5th biggest customer, that gives them the power to almost single-handedly bankrupt the country. Americans love the low prices at Walmart but I don't think they would trade their children's safety for a few bucks. On the other hand that is precisely what a lot of Chinese bootleggers think, they feel they have us in their pockets and can send us whatever they want to. Even though they bootleg brands and steal intellectual properties at will they still don't own the brand, it's a replica, the jury is still out on whether American consumers will knowingly support replicas. Personally I don't think so, if we decided to stop buying those off brands, replicas and shoddy products China would fold like a wet paper towel. The biggest reason that has not happened is in the long run it would hurt the world economy. America does not have the labor force we use to have, we cannot keep using up the resources and not share the wealth, but last week when Walmart took Chinese made products off the shelves they were letting China know who's the boss and they better get they're act together.
Mattel Apologizes to China Over Recalls
ALEXA OLESEN
September 21, 2007 11:59 AM EST
BEIJING — U.S.-based toy giant Mattel Inc. issued an extraordinary apology to China on Friday over the recall of Chinese-made toys, taking the blame for design flaws and saying it had recalled more lead-tainted toys than justified.
The gesture by Thomas A. Debrowski, Mattel's executive vice president for worldwide operations, came in a meeting with Chinese product safety chief Li Changjiang, at which Li upbraided the company for maintaining weak safety controls.
"Our reputation has been damaged lately by these recalls," Debrowski told Li in a meeting at Li's office at which reporters were allowed to be present.
"And Mattel takes full responsibility for these recalls and apologizes personally to you, the Chinese people, and all of our customers who received the toys," Debrowski said.
The carefully worded apology, delivered with company lawyers present, underscores China's central role in Mattel's business. The world's largest toy maker has been in China for 25 years and about 65 percent of its products are made in China.
The fence-mending call came ahead of an expected visit to China by Mattel's chairman and chief executive, Robert A. Eckert. Following the massive recall, Eckert told U.S. lawmakers he wanted to see Mattel's mainland inspections first hand.
Mattel ordered three high-profile recalls this summer involving more than 21 million Chinese-made toys, including Barbie doll accessories and toy cars because of concerns about lead paint or tiny magnets that could be swallowed.
The recalls have prompted complaints from China that manufacturers were being blamed for design faults introduced by Mattel.
On Friday, Debrowski acknowledged that "vast majority of those products that were recalled were the result of a design flaw in Mattel's design, not through a manufacturing flaw in China's manufacturers."
Lead-tainted toys accounted for only a small percentage of all toys recalled, he said, adding that: "We understand and appreciate deeply the issues that this has caused for the reputation of Chinese manufacturers."
The slew of Chinese-made toys since June by Mattel and other smaller toy makers has resulted in many parents scouring for U.S.-made label stamped on playthings at toy stores. That is no easy feat when more than 80 percent of toys sold in the U.S. are made in China.
Mattel's mea culpa could help reshape the debate surrounding Chinese-made toys.
In fact, new research from two business professors shows that recalls due to problems with the U.S. maker's design accounted for the vast majority _ about 76 percent _ of the 550 U.S.toy recalls since 1988.
The report, released earlier this month from Paul R. Beamish, an international business professor at Canada's University of Western Ontario, and Hari Bapuji, business professor at University of Manitoba's I.H. Asper School of Business in Winnipeg, Canada, found that recalls blamed on design problems and manufacturing defects, such as lead paint or poor craftmanship, both rose in the past two years as U.S. makers have shifted more of their production to China.
But they noted that, "if shifting manufacturing to China resulted in poorer quality goods, then the number of toys recalled due to manufacturing should be greater than the number recalled due to design," the report said. But that is not the case.
"Nobody gets a free ride on this," said Beamish, arguing that toy makers' obsession to quickly get new products to market before they are widely copied has resulted in a lot of cost-cutting and inadequate testing.
In a statement issued by the company Friday, Mattel said its lead-related recalls were "overly inclusive, including toys that may not have had lead in paint in excess of the U.S. standards.
"The follow-up inspections also confirmed that part of the recalled toys complied with the U.S. standards," the statement said, without giving specific figures.
The co-owner of the company that supplied the lead-tainted toys to Mattel, Lee Der Industrial Co. Ltd., committed suicide in August shortly after the recall was announced.
Li reminded Debrowski that "a large part of your annual profit ... comes from your factories in China.
"This shows that our cooperation is in the interests of Mattel, and both parties should value our cooperation. I really hope that Mattel can learn lessons and gain experience from these incidents," Li said, adding that Mattel should "improve their control measures."
Li, the head of China's General Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine, also expressed his appreciation for Debrowski's "objective and responsible attitude toward the recent toy recall."
Chinese food, drugs and other products ranging from toothpaste to seafood are under intense scrutiny because they have been found to contain potentially deadly substances.
But China has bristled at what it claims is a campaign to discredit its reputation as an exporter. It accuses foreign media and others of playing up its product safety issues as a form of protectionism.
Beijing insists that the vast majority of its exports are safe but has stepped up inspections of food, drugs and other products in response to the concerns.
Li told reporters after meeting with Debrowski that the government had taken swift action against Lee Der, shutting down its operations and revoking its business license. Four people from the company also face criminal charges, he said, without giving details.
Since this summer's recalls Mattel has announced plans to upgrade its safety system by certifying suppliers and increasing the frequency of random, unannounced inspections. It has fired several manufacturers.
Tests had found that lead levels in paint in recalled toys were as high as 110,000 parts per million, or nearly 200 times higher than the accepted safety ceiling of 600 parts per million.
Mattel's shares fell from the mid-$23 level following the first recall in early August, reaching as low as $20.97 on Sept. 10. They have since rebounded, and rose 55 cents, or 2.33 percent to $24.11 in morning trading Friday..
China has become a center for the world's toy-making industry, exporting $7.5 billion worth of toys last year.
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AP Business Writer Anne D'Innocenzio in New York contributed to this report.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070921/china-tainted-products/
See all of these are reasons that I'm a vegetarian. The more you let an outsider prepare your food the worse it's going to be for you. Your own personal food choices are regulated by your health and palate. The people making your food are only regulated by their conscience and pocket book.
The further away from you that person is the less they are going to care. If you buy your food from a local producer you're buying from someone who has to see you get fat and sick off their product if they sell you something inferior. If you buy from a national producer they have to read the papers about your suffering. If you buy from a foreign producer they don't hear anything at all. All they see is the demand and the dollar signs.
A group of people from my city invented the 100 mile diet. It basically means that you don't eat any food unless it was grown or cultivated 100 miles or less from your home. I don't follow that, but I do agree with the principle of it. The closer you keep thing to home the less you have to worry about a foreign nation you've never even been to trying to poison you.
The further away from you that person is the less they are going to care. If you buy your food from a local producer you're buying from someone who has to see you get fat and sick off their product if they sell you something inferior. If you buy from a national producer they have to read the papers about your suffering. If you buy from a foreign producer they don't hear anything at all. All they see is the demand and the dollar signs.
A group of people from my city invented the 100 mile diet. It basically means that you don't eat any food unless it was grown or cultivated 100 miles or less from your home. I don't follow that, but I do agree with the principle of it. The closer you keep thing to home the less you have to worry about a foreign nation you've never even been to trying to poison you.
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Another Chinese Recall
Another Chinese Recall ''original post on main board'' click link above^^^
Re: Another Chinese Recall
Funny thing, I don't hear of any Chinese recalls in Europe or Africa, there may be some but I haven't heard of any. Another thing the people there seem to be withdrawing from Americans, it's like 'I can't talk' or 'Let's make this as quick as possible'. There is a strange vibe and you can feel it in South America too, exporters there seem like they are distancing themselves from Americans.
Funny thing, I don't hear of any Chinese recalls in Europe or Africa, there may be some but I haven't heard of any. Another thing the people there seem to be withdrawing from Americans, it's like 'I can't talk' or 'Let's make this as quick as possible'. There is a strange vibe and you can feel it in South America too, exporters there seem like they are distancing themselves from Americans.
<font size="5"><center>Deaths linked to heparin triple to 62</font size></center>
USA Today
By Elizabeth Weise and Julie Schmit
April 9, 2008
The Food and Drug Administration has tripled the estimated number of people who may have died of allergic reactions associated with heparin, a blood thinner. The number now stands at 62, up from 19 a month ago.
"We've been continuing to get reports every single day," said the FDA's Karen Riley.
The new death count reflects deaths that occurred between January 2007 and last month, most of which were reported after the FDA announced it was investigating contaminated heparin in February.
The FDA said last month that a cheap heparin substitute made from animal cartilage was used to supplement real heparin imported from China and used in heparin products from Baxter International. Scientists have not yet been able to trace how the substitute might be causing the allergic reactions.
Raw heparin is made from the inside of pig intestines and is primarily produced in China.
The death counts the FDA announced Tuesday cover allergic reactions associated with heparin made by all manufacturers.
A very low level of allergic reactions to heparin is well known and noted in the product literature, said Riley.
The number of patients taking heparin who died and had at least one allergic symptom hovered between zero and two from January of last year through October 2007. But in November, it jumped to eight, then 12 in December, rising to 16 in January and falling to 11 in February.
There were no deaths in March, the month after Baxter recalled the bulk of its heparin products.
For all of 2006, there were three deaths reported in patients receiving heparin who had at least one allergic symptom, the FDA says.
The agency continues to receive adverse event reports about heparin, Riley says.
However, reports of allergic symptoms do not mean they caused the patients' deaths in all cases, according to the FDA.
Baxter spokeswoman Erin Gardiner says it's not unusual for adverse events reports to build as publicity spreads about possible problems associated with drugs. Those reports typically come from the manufacturers or physicians.
So far, Baxter has determined that there are four cases in which patients received Baxter heparin and suffered an allergic-type reaction that may have contributed to a death.
In a related development, the FDA's Center for Devices and Radiological Health plans to mail letters today to 82 manufacturers of medical devices which use heparin, asking them to insure that their heparin is not contaminated, Riley said.
Those devices include items such as heart stents, blood oxygenators, skin expanders and items used in eye surgery.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/2008-04-08-fda-heparin-deaths_N.htm
USA Today
By Elizabeth Weise and Julie Schmit
April 9, 2008
The Food and Drug Administration has tripled the estimated number of people who may have died of allergic reactions associated with heparin, a blood thinner. The number now stands at 62, up from 19 a month ago.
"We've been continuing to get reports every single day," said the FDA's Karen Riley.
The new death count reflects deaths that occurred between January 2007 and last month, most of which were reported after the FDA announced it was investigating contaminated heparin in February.
The FDA said last month that a cheap heparin substitute made from animal cartilage was used to supplement real heparin imported from China and used in heparin products from Baxter International. Scientists have not yet been able to trace how the substitute might be causing the allergic reactions.
Raw heparin is made from the inside of pig intestines and is primarily produced in China.
The death counts the FDA announced Tuesday cover allergic reactions associated with heparin made by all manufacturers.
A very low level of allergic reactions to heparin is well known and noted in the product literature, said Riley.
The number of patients taking heparin who died and had at least one allergic symptom hovered between zero and two from January of last year through October 2007. But in November, it jumped to eight, then 12 in December, rising to 16 in January and falling to 11 in February.
There were no deaths in March, the month after Baxter recalled the bulk of its heparin products.
For all of 2006, there were three deaths reported in patients receiving heparin who had at least one allergic symptom, the FDA says.
The agency continues to receive adverse event reports about heparin, Riley says.
However, reports of allergic symptoms do not mean they caused the patients' deaths in all cases, according to the FDA.
Baxter spokeswoman Erin Gardiner says it's not unusual for adverse events reports to build as publicity spreads about possible problems associated with drugs. Those reports typically come from the manufacturers or physicians.
So far, Baxter has determined that there are four cases in which patients received Baxter heparin and suffered an allergic-type reaction that may have contributed to a death.
In a related development, the FDA's Center for Devices and Radiological Health plans to mail letters today to 82 manufacturers of medical devices which use heparin, asking them to insure that their heparin is not contaminated, Riley said.
Those devices include items such as heart stents, blood oxygenators, skin expanders and items used in eye surgery.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/2008-04-08-fda-heparin-deaths_N.htm
<font size="5"><center>Heparin Deaths Surged Since November, FDA Says</font size></center>
Wednesday, April 9th, 2008
Heparin has been associated with the deaths of more than 100 people since early 2007, the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) said yesterday. Of those, the vast majority - 62 to be exact - were associated with contaminated batches of heparin. That’s more than triple the estimate the FDA made earlier this year when Baxter International first started recalling tainted heparin.
Baxter recalled nearly all its heparin injections in the US after some patients experienced extreme - and in some cases fatal - allergic reactions, including difficulty breathing, nausea, vomiting, excessive sweating, and rapidly falling blood pressure that was life threatening after being administered the products. There have been similar recalls of Chinese-sourced heparin in Denmark, Italy, France Germany and Japan.
In March, the FDA confirmed that it had found chondroitin sulfate in samples of the active ingredient used in Baxter heparin. The FDA said the chondroitin sulfate was molecularly changed to mimic heparin’s blood-clotting properties. However, the agency has not yet determined if the chondroitin sulfate was responsible to the deaths and reactions associated with heparin, although the chemical is the prime suspect.
Baxter gets some of that active ingredient from Changzhou SPL, a Chinese plant partially owned by Wisconsin-based Scientific Protein Laboratories LLC. The FDA said it had found contaminated crude heparin at that plant. Changzhou buys its crude heparin from two companies, called consolidators, that gather it from workshops that make it from pig intestines. Many workshops that make crude heparin in China are unregulated family operations.
While the FDA maintains that it has not yet determined if the ingredient substitution was intentional, several sources told The New York Times that it was likely not accidental. Some heparin producers in China also sell chondroitin sulfate, which can be derived from pig cartilage. It costs a fraction of the ingredient usually used in heparin, and producers may have used it in an attempt to cut costs. Once the FDA determined that the counterfeit ingredient likely originated in China, the agency began detaining all heparin imports at the border so they could be tested for the contaminant. Shortly thereafter, several other companies, including B. Braun, American Health Packaging and Covidien Ltd. announced precautionary recalls of heparin products in the US.
Earlier this year, the FDA said tainted heparin was suspected in more than 700 adverse reactions and 19 deaths. But now it appears that dozens of earlier deaths had not been reported to the FDA until news of the contaminated heparin was publicized. The jump in the allergic-type reactions linked to heparin started in November, the FDA said, possibly marking the time period in which the contamination began. Allergic reactions have been reported with all brands of heparin, not just Baxter’s.
The FDA’s data shows only three heparin deaths reported in 2006 and a few in early 2007. Now the FDA has reports of eight such deaths last November, 12 in December, 16 in January and 11 in February.
http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/2871
Wednesday, April 9th, 2008
Heparin has been associated with the deaths of more than 100 people since early 2007, the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) said yesterday. Of those, the vast majority - 62 to be exact - were associated with contaminated batches of heparin. That’s more than triple the estimate the FDA made earlier this year when Baxter International first started recalling tainted heparin.
Baxter recalled nearly all its heparin injections in the US after some patients experienced extreme - and in some cases fatal - allergic reactions, including difficulty breathing, nausea, vomiting, excessive sweating, and rapidly falling blood pressure that was life threatening after being administered the products. There have been similar recalls of Chinese-sourced heparin in Denmark, Italy, France Germany and Japan.
In March, the FDA confirmed that it had found chondroitin sulfate in samples of the active ingredient used in Baxter heparin. The FDA said the chondroitin sulfate was molecularly changed to mimic heparin’s blood-clotting properties. However, the agency has not yet determined if the chondroitin sulfate was responsible to the deaths and reactions associated with heparin, although the chemical is the prime suspect.
Baxter gets some of that active ingredient from Changzhou SPL, a Chinese plant partially owned by Wisconsin-based Scientific Protein Laboratories LLC. The FDA said it had found contaminated crude heparin at that plant. Changzhou buys its crude heparin from two companies, called consolidators, that gather it from workshops that make it from pig intestines. Many workshops that make crude heparin in China are unregulated family operations.
While the FDA maintains that it has not yet determined if the ingredient substitution was intentional, several sources told The New York Times that it was likely not accidental. Some heparin producers in China also sell chondroitin sulfate, which can be derived from pig cartilage. It costs a fraction of the ingredient usually used in heparin, and producers may have used it in an attempt to cut costs. Once the FDA determined that the counterfeit ingredient likely originated in China, the agency began detaining all heparin imports at the border so they could be tested for the contaminant. Shortly thereafter, several other companies, including B. Braun, American Health Packaging and Covidien Ltd. announced precautionary recalls of heparin products in the US.
Earlier this year, the FDA said tainted heparin was suspected in more than 700 adverse reactions and 19 deaths. But now it appears that dozens of earlier deaths had not been reported to the FDA until news of the contaminated heparin was publicized. The jump in the allergic-type reactions linked to heparin started in November, the FDA said, possibly marking the time period in which the contamination began. Allergic reactions have been reported with all brands of heparin, not just Baxter’s.
The FDA’s data shows only three heparin deaths reported in 2006 and a few in early 2007. Now the FDA has reports of eight such deaths last November, 12 in December, 16 in January and 11 in February.
http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/2871
listen to our own Erin Burnett! Is she saying what I think she is?
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exactly! It's being done right in front of our faces and the media is promoting this evil against other Americans.
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