Iran shoots down a US spy drone

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Iran shoots down a US spy drone





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A US drone was shot down by Iranian forces on Thursday, in a move likely to escalate tensions between the two adversaries. The two nations vary in their accounts of the attack.

What the US has said: A US official told CNN that Iran shot down a US military drone in international airspace Thursday, over the Strait of Hormuz.

What Iran has said: A contradictory earlier report from Iran's state-run Press TV said the country's elite Revolutionary Guards fired on an "intruding American spy drone," downing it over the country's southern coastal province of Hormozga, inside Iranian airspace.

What sort of drone was involved? The drone was a US-made RQ-4A Global Hawk, an surveillance aircraft.

CNN has been unable to independently verify the details of the Iranian state media report.

Reuters quoted Cap. Bill Urban, a spokesman for the US Central Command, as saying "no US aircraft were operating in Iranian airspace" Thursday.

UPDATE: A US official previously identified to CNN the model of the drone as a MQ-4C Triton, but US Central Command later said it was an RQ-4A Global Hawk.


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Well, now we have Trump’s Lil Boy Threats;
No real plan or strategy - and a lot of regrets.
A situation we all should have feared;
Ole bone-spurs, about to commit the lives of men and women who volunteered.

He talked a lot of talk;
But Lil Kim Un made him walk his walk.
And we all know there ain't no disputin;
He got punked bad by Vladimir Putin.

Committed troops to a hot zone, with no gotdamn plan;
Of how to respond if shit gets out of hand.
He says, "they just made a mistake";
No, you did; for goodness damn sakes.
 

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Trump reportedly approved, called off retaliatory strike on Iran

President Trump approved a U.S. military strike against targets inside Iran in retaliation for Iran's downing of a $130 million American surveillance drone, but the operation, already underway in its early stages, was abruptly called off Thursday night, The New York Times and The Associated Press report. Planes were in the air and ships in position to strike a handful of targets, like radar installations and missile batteries, before dawn on Friday. It's not clear whether Trump changed his mind on the strikes or whether the administration backed down for other reasons, but Iranian leaders told Reuters on Friday that Trump had warned them about an imminent attack via Oman, saying "he was against any war with Iran and wanted to talk to Tehran about various issues."

Source: The New York Times, Reuters

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Factors That Could Push the U.S. and Iran to War

Strategic Forecasting
June 12, 2019
(Note, this assessment was published just 9
days before the Drone Shoot Down Incident)


The Big Picture

A war between the United States and Iran would have not only far-reaching regional consequences, but it would also have major global economic and energy implications.

Such a conflict would also represent a major distraction for the United States at a time when it is attempting to shift its attention and resources to the great power competition with China and Russia.

Nonetheless, there are some factors that could drive Washington and Tehran toward war.


Highlights:
  • Despite hard-line factions in both Iran and the United States that would like to pursue confrontation, both countries will remain keen to avoid a major war with each other.
  • Nevertheless, the risk of miscalculation and escalation will remain high, particularly given Iran's force dispositions and conflict strategy, as both countries ramp up their military preparations.
  • The absence of meaningful channels of communication will also reduce the ability of both countries to de-escalate tensions after an accident or initial confrontation.

Editor's Note: This assessment is part of a series of analyses supporting Stratfor's upcoming 2019 Third-Quarter Forecast. These assessments are designed to provide more context and in-depth analysis of key developments over the next quarter.

The United States is sending additional forces to the Persian Gulf as Iran prepares and mobilizes its army; together, the countries' actions are significantly increasing the possibility of war. Compounding the risk is a faction within the White House, epitomized by hawkish national security adviser John Bolton, that is more eager than others in the administration to start a conflict with Iran. Bolton, naturally, has ideological counterparts in Iran, especially in the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), who are also spoiling for a fight.

But as leaders in Washington and Tehran have emphasized, the two countries remain wary of a costly war against each other. U.S. President Donald Trump has many backers in Washington, particularly the Pentagon, who would prefer to avoid a war and focus the country's attention and resources on the ongoing great power competition with Russia and China. Tehran, meanwhile, can hardly be expected to be cavalier about a potential conflict with Washington, especially given the massively disproportionate strength between the two sides and the devastation that such a conflict could inflict on Iran's people and, potentially, its government. But caution aside, a broader conflict is not beyond the realm of possibility, what with the countries' mutual hostility and mistrust, lack of communication channels to quickly resolve a conflict, as well as the setup of Iran's forces — which have a major incentive to strike while the iron is hot.


Being Quick on the Draw
Fully cognizant of the U.S. military's vastly superior conventional military forces, Iran has invested for decades in asymmetric capabilities such as proxy forces, ballistic missiles, naval mines and fast-attack craft to better strike the United States, critical energy infrastructure around the Persian Gulf and other key strategic targets in the region. These forces and tactics, however, hardly compensate for Iran's overall relative weakness; indeed, Tehran is fully aware that many of these assets are particularly vulnerable to a U.S. strike while they remain tied up in port, garrisons or bases.


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For instance, Iran's ability to threaten or close the Strait of Hormuz depends heavily on IRGC naval assets that consist of mine-laying craft, missile and torpedo boats, armed speedboats, and coastal anti-ship cruise missile batteries. Not only are many of these assets highly exposed to a precision U.S. strike while still in their ports or bases, but they would also face the constant risk of destruction from U.S. or allied airpower even if they manage to sally forth before a conflict begins. In other words, Iran has a very finite window to lay as many mines as possible and inflict as much damage as possible in the Strait of Hormuz before the United States and its allies greatly reduce its ability to do so. The same principle applies to Iran's arsenal of ballistic missiles when it comes to the country's ability to strike U.S. bases and energy infrastructure in the region. If Tehran fails to fire such missiles in time during a conflict, Washington could destroy many of them before they deliver their deadly payloads.

Iran thus faces a real use-it-or-lose-it dilemma, as it not only has an overriding reason to respond rapidly to an attack but also act preemptively to inflict as much destruction as possible before its adversaries inevitably damage its assets with their much heavier firepower. To be clear, even months of U.S. attacks would not completely disarm Iran, but the longer Tehran fails to deploy its asymmetric assets, particularly its missile and naval forces, the greater the risk the United States will destroy these weapons before the Islamic republic can use them.


The longer Tehran fails to deploy its asymmetric assets, the greater the risk the United States will destroy these weapons before the Islamic republic can use them.


Closed to Communication
Another factor that could escalate the U.S.-Iranian standoff is the lack of effective direct communication between the two countries' forces. The absence of hotlines and proven methods to immediately calm tensions risks fomenting more mistrust and misunderstandings about the adversary's intentions. This lack of channels for dialogue even extends to the highest ministerial levels. Asked recently whether Iran and the United States could rapidly communicate to avert a crisis, Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif said that, unlike his quick-fire discussions former U.S. Secretary of State [to Barack Obama] John Kerry, he and current U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo have never spoken directly. What's more, Zarif said he did not feel compelled to answer any of the secretary's calls due to their acrimonious relationship.

Of course, if things did escalate, Iranian and U.S. officials would eventually succeed in contacting each other if they desire to do so, but in a situation in which minutes — rather than hours — are critical, the lack of a history of communications or set channels to resolve conflicts will undoubtedly hinder rapid de-escalation efforts. In effect, by the time American and Iranian officials talk, the cycle of attack and counterattack might easily have acquired a momentum that the two capitals can do little to halt with just a few conversations.


On the whole, both the United States and Iran appear keen to avoid a major war; likewise, an armed confrontation is significantly less likely than the countries' continued standoff by non-military means.

But the combination of profound mistrust, the involvement of a plethora of proxy actors and secondary players, Iran's imperative to move fast once threatened, as well as the lack of effective communication channels, all serve notice that a miscalculation could ignite a fire that even cooler heads in both capitals would struggle to put out.


https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/factors-could-push-us-and-iran-war

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DO YOU REMEMBER THIS:




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The headline read:

Obama, others warned Trump that pulling out of Iran nuke deal could lead to war

WASHINGTON — To supporters of the Iran nuclear deal, it's no surprise that President Donald Trump is now facing a potential war with Iran.

Long before Trump was elected, advocates of the nuclear agreement — including then-President Barack Obama, French President Emmanuel Macron and others — had argued that abandoning the accord carried grave risks that could lead to an armed conflict.


"So let's not mince words. The choice we face is ultimately between diplomacy or some form of war — maybe not tomorrow, maybe not three months from now, but soon," Obama said in a speech in 2015 defending the deal before a congressional vote.

Trump as a candidate vowed to dump what he called "the worst deal ever" and he made good on his promise in 2018. A year later, Trump is openly discussing the pros and cons of bombing Iran.


On Friday, the president said in a tweet that he had ordered and then called off military strikes against Iran after Tehran shot down a U.S. surveillance drone over the Strait of Hormuz.

In his 2015 speech, Obama said that without an agreement limiting Iran's nuclear program in return for sanctions relief, any U.S. administration would be left with only one option to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon — "another war in the Middle East."

Obama said that Iran — unrestrained by the nuclear accord — would soon be on the threshold of developing an atomic bomb. "Without this deal, Iran will be in a position — however tough our rhetoric may be — to steadily advance its capabilities. Its breakout time, which is already fairly small, could shrink to near zero."

"Does anyone really doubt that the same voices now raised against this deal will be demanding that whoever is president bomb those nuclear facilities?" Obama said.

At the time, Republican opponents of the 2015 nuclear agreement, known as the JCPOA, dismissed the idea that the alternative to the deal was waging war on Iran.

Macron and other European leaders repeatedly urged Trump not to abandon the agreement, and voiced concern that the collapse of the accord carried dangers for an already volatile region.

At the U.N. General Assembly in 2017, the French president warned that jettisoning the deal "without anything to replace it would be a grave mistake." And he added that the agreement was "essential to peace, at a time when the risk of an infernal spiral cannot be ruled out."

Macron issued a more dire warning a year later as Trump was poised to abandon the agreement. "That would mean opening Pandora's box, it could mean war," Macron told the German magazine Der Spiegel. But he added, "I don't believe that Donald Trump wants war."

U.N. Secretary General Antonio Guterres said in May 2018 that the nuclear agreement was an "important diplomatic victory" and that discarding it without presenting an alternative would place the Middle East "in a very dangerous position."

German Chancellor Angela Merkel warned Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that a decision by Trump to withdraw from the nuclear deal might lead to the collapse of the agreement and possibly trigger a regional war, Axios reported last year.

After Trump announced his decision on May 8, 2018, to withdraw the United States from the nuclear accord, Obama repeated his warning about the consequences of doing so.

"Without the JCPOA, the United States could eventually be left with a losing choice between a nuclear-armed Iran or another war in the Middle East." Obama said in a statement.

Trump's opponent in the 2016 presidential race, Hillary Clinton, also cautioned about the dangers of rejecting the agreement between Iran and world powers. "The United States faces a choice to either "move forward on a path to diplomacy or turn down more dangerous path leading to a far less certain and riskier future," she said in a speech in 2015.

In another speech in 2016, Clinton said Trump's approach to the issue was reckless.

"Donald Trump says we shouldn't have done the deal. We should have walked away. But that would have meant no more global sanctions, and Iran resuming their nuclear program and the world blaming us. So then what? War? Telling the world, good luck, you deal with Iran?" Clinton said.

The former head of U.S. Central Command, U.S. Army Gen. Joseph Votel, told senators at a hearing in March 2018 that the nuclear agreement provided a way to counter the threat of Iran developing nuclear weapons, and that it was not clear how that would be addressed if Washington pulled out.

"The JCPOA addresses one of the principle threats that we deal with from Iran, so if the JCPOA goes away, then we will have to have another way to deal with their nuclear weapons program," Votel said.


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This is prewar, psychologically defeating an enemy. Some of the tactics that are used are advanced, the U.S. needs to be careful. You expose your tactics to other countries that pose a threat.

The U.S. has made adjustments based on my comments.
 
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U.S. cyber forces reportedly hit Iranian missile control systems last week


U.S. Cyber Command launched a cyber strike against Iranian missile control systems on Thursday, U.S. officials said.

The cyber attacker occurred after President Trump backed down from a conventional military strike against Iran in retaliation for Iran shooting down a U.S. drone. The attacks disabled the computer systems of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps that controlled its rocket and missile launchers.

The plans for the cyber attacks were reportedly in the works for weeks — the Pentagon proposed the tactic after Iran's alleged attacks on two oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman earlier this month. The White House declined to comment and Tehran had no immediate reaction to the news as of Sunday morning.


Source: Al Jazeera, The Washington Post

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The U.S. almost had a complete decapitation of our government, subsequent to our involvement in that region. Looking back historically, I believe 9/11 was a warning message to the US. Just like a woman during a rape will show compliance and not resist than 10-15 years then come out of the woodwork and destroy your career. They could after adopting Western culture, secularism, equal rights for women, eating at McDonald's; than later launch a strike using civilian assets like commercial airliners, causing mass chaos.

Look at decapitation videos they might be sending a message on what could happen.

Even though they don't have nuclear weapons, they could trigger a nuclear war. I don't want to be sitting on a beach in another country and dealing with nuclear fallout because of some idiot here could not get the message. We should be talking about entering these countries as a peacekeeping force to remove their nuclear technology then leaving, not forcing all this crap on them to assimilate and killing their leadership.
 
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Trump imposes sanctions on Iran's supreme leader
Sanctions will target Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, but US president says Washington is not seeking conflict
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Trump, flanked by Vice President Mike Pence (R) and Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, after signing new sanctions against Iran (Reuters)

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/trump-sanctions-iran-supreme-leader-ayatollah-khamenei

Donald Trump has imposed sanctions on Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei after Tehran's shooting down of an unmanned US drone last week.
"We will increase pressure on Iran. Never can Iran have a nuclear weapon," Trump told reporters in the Oval Office on Monday.
While announcing the new sanctions, Trump said the US is a "peace-loving nation" that does not "seek conflict with Iran".
The new measures come days after Trump authorised then called off military strikes against Iranian targets.
"I think a lot of restraint has been shown by us - a lot of restraint - and that doesn't mean we're going to show it in the future," Trump said.
Tehran has blamed Washington for the downing of the drone, saying that the unmanned plane had violated its airspace. But US officials have insisted that the drone was shot down over international waters.
Last year, Trump pulled Washington out of a multinational agreement that saw Tehran drastically scale back its nuclear programme in exchange for economic sanctions relief.

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New sanctions will target the office of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei (AFP/File photo)


Asked on Monday whether he would like to work on a new agreement with Iran, Trump said: "We would love to negotiate a new deal if they want to; if they don't want to, that's fine, too… We'll see what happens, but the people of Iran are great people."
Tensions between Washington and Tehran rose sharply early in May after US officials warned that Iran is planning attacks against US troops and interests in the Middle East.

Since then, Washington has blamed Tehran for a series of attacks in the region, including the sabotage of four ships off the coast of the United Arab Emirates and two oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman.
Iran has denied responsibility for the attacks.
Later on Monday, US Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin said new sanctions will target "those responsible for recent activity", including Iranian naval commanders.
Washington is also preparing sanctions against Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif, Mnuchin told reporters.
The secretary added that the new measures are "highly effective" against Iran's economy. "We're literally locked up tens and tens of billions of dollars," he said.
Mnuchin explained that the new sanctions encompass not just Khamanei but his office as well, which affect a wide range of people.
 

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if they intervene their airspace Iran has full right to protect their airspace, it's time for the US to not interfere in external matters anymore otherwise other countries would be some defensive as iran.
 

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if they intervene their airspace Iran has full right to protect their airspace, it's time for the US to not interfere in external matters anymore otherwise other countries would be some defensive as iran.​

A “bot” ???

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House votes to require Trump to obtain congressional approval for Iran strike



The House passed its defense bill on Friday with an amendment requiring President Trump to receive approval from Congress before launching a military strike against Iran.

With a 251-170 vote, the amendment was added onto the House's successfully passed defense bill; the measure received support from most Democrats as well as 27 Republicans. The amendment has a self-defense exception.

The House's vote comes weeks after Trump ordered a strike on Iran but called it off with 10 minutes to spare. Trump has asserted he does not need approval from Congress to strike Iran. Senate will reportedly be looking to remove this provision after a similar amendment failed in the Republican-controlled chamber last month. Trump earlier this week threatened to veto the House's defense bill.

Source: The New York Times
 

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Failure of Iran deal could pose ‘existential threat’, says Hunt
UK foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt tries to reinforce nuclear deal abandoned by US

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-deal-could-pose-existential-threat-says-hunt

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Britain’s foreign secretary, Jeremy Hunt, is received in Tehran by Mohammad Javad Zarif in November 2018. Photograph: Atta Kenare/AFP/Getty Images


Tensions in the Middle East could pose an existential threat to mankind unless the Iran nuclear deal is maintained, Jeremy Hunt will say on Monday in his starkest warning since the regional crisis escalated two months ago.
Speaking ahead of an EU meeting in Brussels, the UK foreign secretary will try to underline the importance of the deal, which was abandoned unilaterally by the US a year ago, leading to an accelerating reciprocal withdrawal by Iran.

Hunt has tried to de-escalate the situation by saying an Iranian-owned oil tanker seized by the British off Gibraltar 10 days ago might be released if Tehran promised the ship’s owners would abandon plans to unload its oil in Syria. The EU has imposed a ban on oil sales to Syria.
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Hunt made the offer in a phone call with the Iranian foreign minister, Javad Zarif, on Saturday. But Zarif said afterwards Iran should be entitled to sell oil to any country it wished, and claimed the UK seizure of the ship, Grace 1, was an act of piracy. Various Iranian government sources said the tanker was not bound for Syria, but Tehran is desperate for revenue from oil sales.
Speaking ahead of the EU meeting, Hunt will say: “The Middle East is already one of the most unstable regions in the world, but if the different parties were armed with nuclear weapons it would represent an existential threat to mankind. I will do everything in my power to prevent that from happening.
“I’ll be building on the leadership shown by the UK, alongside France and Germany, as we do what it takes to maintain the nuclear deal, and to work to encourage Iran back into compliance.”

Referring to the detention of Grace 1 in Gibraltar, he is due to add: “As I said to the Iranians this weekend, the detention of the Grace 1 was a Gibraltar-led enforcement of EU Syria sanctions. Action had to be taken, and this was nothing to do with the oil being Iranian.”
France, Germany and the UK - the three European signatories to the nuclear deal - issued another joint statement ahead of today’s EU meeting urging Iran to come back into compliance.

“The risks are such that it is necessary for all stakeholders to pause, and consider the possible consequences of their actions,” the statement said. “We believe that the time has come to act responsibly and to look for ways to stop the escalation of tension and resume dialogue.

“We are concerned by the risk that the nuclear deal further unravels under the strain of sanctions imposed by the United States and following Iran’s decision to no longer implement several of the central provisions of the agreement.”
Iran first breached the nuclear deal by overstepping the agreed limits on its low enriched uranium stockpile and then by breaching the level at which the uranium can be enriched. Neither step in itself puts Iran close to securing a nuclear bomb.

The EU has yet to put the two Iranian decisions into the dispute mechanism of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, as the nuclear deal signed in 2015 is known, but the EU must be close to doing so.
In a repetition of Tehran’s position, the Iranian president, Hassan Rouhani, said in a televised speech on Sunday: “We have always believed in talks ... if they lift sanctions, end the imposed economic pressure and return to the deal.”
Zarif is due to reach New York this week for a meeting at the UN even though a fortnight ago the US said they would be imposing sanctions on him personally, a threat Washington has so far not carried out. It is understood he has been granted a US visa to travel to New York.

Zarif gave no hope of an early release for the British-Iranian dual national Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe, saying: “The arrest and trial of these individuals were based on completely legal procedures, and the British government is expected to respect the rule of law and the independence of the Judiciary of the Islamic Republic of Iran.”
 

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Once you limit somebody physical abilities, they develop more complex ways to deal with conflicts. Much the same way outlawing overt forms of discrimination, led to garbage we are dealing with now. I believe our physical limitations led to the evolution of humans.

Don't sleep on going to war with any country without nukes. You have to be careful dealing with women.
 

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I just want to physically confront these fools but I can't, a man acting effeminate is a women, I can't put my hands on them. The men chasing me in their gay pride blue and white Ford cars acting effeminate...

I never felt comfortable as a man responding in that manner. The same way with these seals. Many of these men are small and weak while I am pure muscle. They start acting like a women around me.
 
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If you look at humans in relation to animals, we are effeminate. Shooting guns or spears than running into the bushes. Never directly challenging the strength of animals. You can see it in the Predator movies. Arnold Schwarzenegger putting mud on and setting up booby traps while Billy fought him straight on.
 

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If you look at humans in relation to animals, we are effeminate. Shooting guns or spears than running into the bushes. Never directly challenging the strength of animals. You can see it in the Predator movies. Arnold Schwarzenegger putting mud on and setting up booby traps while Billy fought him straight on.

And we know how that worked out for ol Billy don't we. Bro got his ass turned into a belt decoration for the remainder of the film.
 

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Iran be sonning this

Republican administration how

You gonna let Iran compromise some of the highest tech USA


military spy weaponry..

Iran be like this is your high tech shit..

Bukd that shit down...

That was a slap in the face to isreal as much as America..
 

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'Thousands could die': Are US and Iran headed for war?
As Tehran-Washington tensions flare, analysts say direct conflict would be 'catastrophic' for entire region
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Published date: 10 May 2019 15:41 UTC | Last update: 2 months 3 weeks ago


https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-iran-war-devastate-middle-east-analysis


When US National Security Adviser John Bolton announced last week that Washington was deploying a naval strike group to the Gulf to send a "clear and unmistakable message to the Iranian regime", many likened the situation to the lead-up to the Iraq war.

Still, a military confrontation between Washington and Tehran would be nothing like the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, when American troops reached Baghdad in less than a month, analysts told Middle East Eye this week.

Instead, an all-out US war with Iran would have "hideous" ramifications and may spark deadly battles across the Middle East.

"In one word, it would be catastrophic," said Imad Harb, director of research and analysis at Arab Center Washington DC.

This week, US President Donald Trump reimposed a series of strict sanctions on Tehran and did not rule out a direct military confrontation between the two countries.

That came after US officials warned about the possibility of Iranian attacks on US forces and commercial ships.

For its part, Iran announced plans to pull out of parts of the 2015 nuclear deal that Washington abandoned last year, and called on European leaders to protect it against United States sanctions.

This latest round of tensions has led some observers to wonder whether some US officials, especially the interventionist hawks in the Trump administration, may be manoeuvring towards all-out war with Iran.

Should that happen, Harb painted a doomsday scenario in which Iran would not only retaliate against US troops in the region, but would also target the Arab Gulf countries hosting those American forces.

Tehran and its allies in Yemen may also block or at least disrupt the straits of Hormuz and Bab el-Mandeb, the passageways into the Gulf and Red Sea, crippling international trade.

"Iran is not going to go down without harming others," Harb said.

"We're talking about a Gulf that's anywhere between 35 and 70 miles-wide, and on the western coast ... we have Saudi and UAE installations. And Iran is not going to spare them if things really come to a head."

In fact, the same countries that have pushed the US to adopt a more confrontational approach to Iran - Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates - may be the ones to pay the price if violence breaks out.

"The Gulf countries - Saudi Arabia and the UAE - should really be cautious about what they wish for ... because if Iran is to be vanquished, it's going to hit them really hard," Harb told MEE.

'The Iranians will respond'
Beyond the Gulf region, Iran has proxies and allies in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinian territories.

Tehran could respond to a US attack by persuading Hezbollah, its ally in Lebanon, to fire rockets on Israel, said Barbara Slavin, director of the Future of Iran Initiative at the Atlantic Council.

That would cause a "massive confrontation" in which Trump would come to Israel's aid, she said.

"Thousands of people could die. This could be just hideous," she told MEE. "That would be the worst-case scenario, that it expands and affects all kinds of civilian populations in a number of countries."

Despite the fatally disastrous consequences of a potential war, Slavin said the conflict does have the potential to escalate.

Acting US Secretary of Defense Pat Shanahan vowed earlier this week to hold Tehran accountable for "any attack" on US forces and interests in the region.

In that context, an assault on US troops by an Iran-allied militia may start a spiral of escalation, Slavin said.

"It doesn't take much imagination to envision an absolutely horrible war that would bring in Iran's proxies and US allies, as well as US troops throughout the region," she said.

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With US military bases and Iran-backed forces spread across the region, often in close proximity, any local confrontation could quickly escalate into a transnational conflict.

Kassem Kassir, a Lebanese journalist and author of the book, Hezbollah between 1982 and 2016, dismissed the possibility of war but warned that if violence breaks out, it will not be limited to one battlefield.

Should the US directly strike Iran, all bets are off, Kassir told MEE in an email.

"The Iranians will respond. All the fields of confrontation will be open," he said.

Prospects of escalation
The recent tensions come a year after Trump withdrew Washington from the multilateral Iran nuclear deal that saw Tehran scale back its nuclear programme in exchange for a lifting of international sanctions.

Trump adopted a hardline on Iran from the start of his political career, but he has also voiced opposition to foreign wars, vowing to put America's interests first.

Still, the US president also has surrounded himself with hawkish policy advisers - and it's no secret that some of his top aides, including Bolton and Rudy Giuliani, Trump's personal lawyer, want to overthrow the Iranian government.

"I don't know when we're going to overthrow them. It could be in a few days, months, a couple of years, but it's going to happen," Giuliani said last year at a rally for Mojahedin-e Khalq, an Iranian opposition group that was on the US list of terrorist groups as recently as 2012.

"They're going to be overthrown, the people of Iran have obviously had enough," Giuliani said.

For now, the Trump administration says its main strategy is to apply "maximum pressure" on Iran to get it to behave like a "normal state".

Last year, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issued a list of 12 demands that would effectively neutralise Iranian influence in the Middle East in order for the US to lift sanctions.

Among the requirements, Tehran would have to end its nuclear programme; stop supporting militant organisations in the region, including Hezbollah, Hamas and Iraqi paramilitary groups; and withdraw its forces from Syria.

Suzanne Maloney, deputy director of the foreign policy programme at the Brookings Institution, said the administration's ultimate goal is to either drastically change Tehran's behaviour, or to alter the "nature of the character of the Iranian leadership".

"The biggest threat is that of inadvertent escalation," she said.

"I don't think either side wants to precipitate a full-scale, bilateral military conflict. But it's clear that there are tools at the disposal of both countries that can be deployed in ways that could precipitate a crisis beyond where we are today."

Still, Maloney told MEE she is confident that tensions will remain contained, as they have in past crises, even at the height of the Iran-Iraq war, when Washington and Tehran had naval skirmishes in the Gulf.

"We can rely on some degree of mutual preference to avoid escalation," she said.

Alex Vatanka, a senior fellow at the Middle East Institute, echoed Maloney's remarks that neither side is interested in war.

"Here's what we do know. Iran doesn't want to go to war. The United States - certainly Trump - doesn't want to go to war. That, pretty much, [is what] we can bank on," Vatanka told MEE.

No 'deep planning'
In fact, Trump on Thursday urged Tehran to call him and negotiate a "fair deal".

Despite the president's more conciliatory tone, ruling out a military confrontation between the US and Iran would be a "stretch", Vatanka said, as Washington's warning that it would blame Iran for any attack on US troops or interests in the region is broad.

"Somebody in Iraq can do something against US forces and the US can decide that somebody is tied to Iran and seek to punish Iran. That's how this could escalate," he said.

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Iran has announced plans to pull out of parts of the 2015 nuclear deal (Reuters/File photo)
And while some members of the Trump administration have advocated regime change in Tehran, Vatanka said that's unlikely - toppling the Iranian government would require strategic planning, including cooperation with local partners who are willing to rise up together.

"I don't see that kind of deep planning from the Trump administration. What you could expect is punishment - aerial strikes against key targets in Iran - as a way of showing the Iranians that the US means business. But that's about it," Vatanka said.

"I do not expect boots on the ground or anything like Iraq in 2003."

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Israel's participation in US Gulf coalition will trigger a war, Iran warns

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Former Iranian officials say the move could be an attempt to get even with Iran over the presence of troops near Israel's border
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Iranian officials responded to news that Israel could take part in US-led patrol in the Persian Gulf (AFP)
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Rohollah Faghihi
Published date: 17 August 2019 09:45 UTC | Last update: 1 day 8 hours ago
Israeli involvement in a US-led coalition to patrol the Persian Gulf could lead to war, Iranian officials have said, as tensions continue to mount between Tehran and the West.
A former Iranian military commander has suggested that Israel was seeking to make its presence felt, responding to the presence of Iranian troops in the Golan Heights, while a former Iranian diplomat has downplayed the lengths to which both countries are prepared to go to war.
The US announced its decision to form the protection force in July, days after Iranian forces downed a US drone near the Strait of Hormuz, through which nearly one-fifth of the world's oil is shipped.
US President Donald Trump said he came within 10 minutes of launching military strikes against Iran after the incident.
In the weeks that have followed, tensions have only ratcheted up further. On 20 July, Iran captured the Steno Impero, a British-flagged oil tanker travelling in the strait, days after the British seized an Iranian tanker off Gibraltar.
Meanwhile, the US has been recruiting allies for the coalition. They will reportedly patrol the waters and escort commercial vessels while the US provides command ships leads on surveillance efforts.
France has declined to take part, as has Germany, which fears being pulled into a war against Iran. Britain, meanwhile, has sent three warships to the Gulf.
Earlier this month, Israeli media reported that Israeli Foreign Minister Yisrael Katz told colleagues on the Knesset's defence committee that Israel is assisting with the naval mission.
While the Israeli government has yet to formally comment, Iranian leaders have reacted strongly to the media reports, even reportedly reaching out to Oman, Kuwait and Qatar to discuss concerns.
'Repercussions'

Speaking on 8 August, Iranian Defence Minister General Amir Hatami described Israel's apparent intention to join the coalition as "very provocative" with "disastrous repercussions" for the region.
One day later, Iran's foreign ministry spokesperson Abbas Mousavi took an even stronger position, saying Tehran wouldn't tolerate it.
This week, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani weighed in, warning that the Israelis "better ensure the security of where they are".
"They have brought about insecurity, massacre and terror wherever they were present. The main cause of terrorism, war and massacre in this region is the Zionists and the usurper Israeli regime," he said.
Former diplomats and analysts who spoke to MEE said they believe Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has several reasons to join the coalition.
Fereidoun Majlesi, a former senior Iranian diplomat who served in the US before the 1979 revolution, said there is no need for British forces, let alone the Israeli military. Rather, he said, Netanyahu was seeking to provoke Tehran.
"Israel believes Iran is getting close to having a nuclear bomb. Netanyahu doesn't want to see Israel losing its only advantage over Tehran. That's why they want to start a war."
A war would also, he said, be useful for Netanyahu as Israel's re-run elections are set to be held just weeks away. Netanyahu was unable to form a coalition government in the earlier elections run in April.
"By triggering a war, nationalists groups and Zionists will be mobilised to stand behind Netanyahu ahead of the election," Majlesi said.
Iran's response

Hossein Kanani-Moghaddam, a former commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), told MEE he thinks Israel wants to be in close proximity to Iran as a counterbalance to Iranian-backed forces in Syria.
"After Iran got close to the Golan Heights, and we reached the borders of Israel, Tel Aviv now wants to have a similar advantage," he said.
"Israel wants to be near Iran's borders through establishing a naval base in the Persian Gulf."
However, Sabah Zangene, a former Iranian diplomat to the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, said he doesn't believe Israel will actually end up joining the coalition.
"Israel won't do anything beyond the announcement of joining the coalition as Tel Aviv and the region aren't ready for a military confrontation," Zangene said.
"This is just propaganda by Netanyahu in line with his plans inside and outside Israel."
But if Israel does, in fact, join the coalition, Kanani-Moghaddam, who was an IRGC commander during the eight-year Iran-Iraq war, said any positions it establishes in the Gulf will be "struck by our missiles without any advanced notice".
"If the Israeli forces enter the Persian Gulf, they will be targeted along with those countries who help them," he said.
 
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