If Democrats Want To Win, They Need To Get Radical

Don't know about that so much now. He's part bulldog and part bullshitter and I like the bulldog part. But increasingly there are ethical questions about him.
He recently said he's up for representing Michael Cohen, the same Michael Cohen he said was possibly the guy who threatened his client Stormy Daniels. Don't know what to make of that. :hmm:
LMAO, ethics?

Donald Fucking Trump is President and kowtowing to Russia.

Ethics have been THROWN out the window.
 
Nope is about electing who you want to fight against..i d rather fight against Hillary and the special interest if the DNC.....then elect Trump and let the Court go right for the next 35 + years

I had a feeling you would mention that tired old court argument.

Well Harry Reid had the opportunity to change the senate rules so that most nominations and legislature could be confirmed with a simple majority. During the entire 8 years Obama held office he was unable to fill most of the vacant federal seats, (about 100). Reid also could have changed the filibuster rules .

Reid said he was afraid that if he made those moves then if the republicans ever gained control then the democrats would be powerless.

So Obama spent 8 years facing obstruction because the pussy as dems did not support him.

And the first thing the republicans did was to change all the rules and now Trump is filling those 100 seats on the bench.

But some of you only are interested NOW in the Supreme Court which only hears a fraction of cases and ignore the reason the GOP is packing the federal courts,,,,

BTW those are lifetime appointments too

Maybe if Obama had some democrats that weren't so busy trying to play nice and afraid the district courts and appeals courts wouldn't be Trump supporters.
 
Godless...gunless....gays is a losing platform that the Democrats need to abandon or we will continue to lose...period
 
I had a feeling you would mention that tired old court argument.

Well Harry Reid had the opportunity to change the senate rules so that most nominations and legislature could be confirmed with a simple majority. During the entire 8 years Obama held office he was unable to fill most of the vacant federal seats, (about 100). Reid also could have changed the filibuster rules .

Reid said he was afraid that if he made those moves then if the republicans ever gained control then the democrats would be powerless.

So Obama spent 8 years facing obstruction because the pussy as dems did not support him.

And the first thing the republicans did was to change all the rules and now Trump is filling those 100 seats on the bench.

But some of you only are interested NOW in the Supreme Court which only hears a fraction of cases and ignore the reason the GOP is packing the federal courts,,,,

BTW those are lifetime appointments too

Maybe if Obama had some democrats that weren't so busy trying to play nice and afraid the district courts and appeals courts wouldn't be Trump supporters.

The supreme court isn t an old argument....it is the argument....the dema have been pussy you are right.....but Obama's presidency was virtially lame duck after the 2010 midterms and the gerrymandering took effect.....

But hey...dems don t turn out for midterms....

So oh well...elections have consequences......
 
The supreme court isn t an old argument....it is the argument....the dema have been pussy you are right.....but Obama's presidency was virtially lame duck after the 2010 midterms and the gerrymandering took effect.....

But hey...dems don t turn out for midterms....

So oh well...elections have consequences......


Obama's presidency was lame duck after Reid would not use the majority to help the President get work done.

Gerrymandering would be getting struck down in most courts had Reid done his job and Obama been able to appoint judges
 
@ballscout1 I guess you re gonna just skate past Connor Lamb I see..

What point are you trying to make with Connor Lamb...\

How about Pelosi and Schumer crossing the aisle to chastise a senior democratic member of congress.

Backbone anyone ?

They allowed the GOP to lie and make false accusations and they supported the lie..

If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie. But we gotta fight.
 
Godless...gunless....gays is a losing platform that the Democrats need to abandon or we will continue to lose...period
Bruh... stop watching fox news. Thats some false narrative dog whistle type shit. Free your mind and your ass will follow.
Question: Instead of fucking up the Democratic party with your Republican lite rhetoric, why don't you just become a Republican?
 
Bruh... stop watching fox news. Thats some false narrative dog whistle type shit. Free your mind and your ass will follow.
Question: Instead of fucking up the Democratic party with your Republican lite rhetoric, why don't you just become a Republican?

Why don t you become a republican gtfoh.....the left does not own this party....

Black people should never vote republican simply because they are for private industry.......government work is the main reason why blacks are making it esp in places like the DMV.
 
What point are you trying to make with Connor Lamb...\

How about Pelosi and Schumer crossing the aisle to chastise a senior democratic member of congress.

Backbone anyone ?

They allowed the GOP to lie and make false accusations and they supported the lie..

Lamb ran as a moderate and won
....the party needs to take notes
 
Democrats = Demoncraps
Democrat also means liberal pussyified and terrified white supremacist

Democracy means the deceptive liberal pussification of white supremacy
 
Why not free college?? This corporation give billions on top of billions to farmers to not plant crops!! And thats just one of thousands of corporate welfare examples..
Make it more affordable. Control the tuition costs AFTER you win. And don’t make it so it’s just free, make it free for those who deserve and truly want it. Earn that Shit. Grades, etc. a few states have free community college or the first year or two free. Top notch colleges should cost.
 
Why don t you become a republican gtfoh.....the left does not own this party....

Black people should never vote republican simply because they are for private industry.......government work is the main reason why blacks are making it esp in places like the DMV.
Hush clown....
Make it more affordable. Control the tuition costs AFTER you win. And don’t make it so it’s just free, make it free for those who deserve and truly want it. Earn that Shit. Grades, etc. a few states have free community college or the first year or two free. Top notch colleges should cost.
Why?
 
Yes, Democrats Need To Run Left — On Economics
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Rising progressive star Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez knocked off an entrenched incumbent, Joe Crowley, by running to his left on both economic and social issues. But that won’t work in every district
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Have you noticed the irritating spate of articles in the mainstream press expressing alarm that the Democratic Party may be moving too far to the left? This has become a trope among commentators.

The lead piece in Sunday’s New York Times, for instance, was headlined, “Democrats Brace As Storm Brews to Their Left.” Right from the top, the progressive energy that is bringing new people into politics and challenging Republican incumbents is condemned as some kind of threat to “Democrats.”

The reporter, Alexander Burns, goes on to quote party leaders warning of the possible ill effects: ”‘There are a lot of moderate and even conservative Democrats in Michigan,’ Mr. Brewer (the former state party chair) cautioned.” Note the use of the loaded verb, cautioned.

This is a classic sort of piece in which the writer has a point of view that he wants to get across, but as a reporter on a supposed news story he can’t come right out and say it. So he fishes for quotes to get sources to provide the script for him.

Burns also reports, eyebrow raised, that in Maryland, “Democrats passed over several respected local officials to select Ben Jealous, a former NAACP president and an ally of Mr. [Bernie] Sanders who backs single-payer health care, as their nominee for governor.”

Dear God, not single-payer! And respected by whom? Reading Burns’ overheated prose, you can almost see the barricades in the streets.

The trouble with this kind of story, sloppy and all too familiar, is that it conflates two kinds of left. After 40 years of declining economic prospects for ordinary Americans and two years of fake populism by Trump, the Democrats need nothing so much as candidates who are progressive on pocketbook issues. These are the kind of candidates who can win back seats in Trump country.

There may be lots of moderate Democrats in Michigan. But moderate on what? Surely not moderate on losing their jobs and their homes.

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Nobody is a better role model for how to make pocketbook populism work in Trump country than Ohio’s Senator Sherrod Brown.

Deft Democratic candidates promise hard-pressed voters a better deal on economics, but reflect the views of their districts on hot button social issues. Conor Lamb managed this brilliantly when he won his special election to Congress in Pennsylvania’s 18th district last March, carrying a district so ostensibly red that Trump carried it by nearly 20 points and the Democrats did not even bother to field a candidate for the seat in 2016 and 2014.


In a seat like New York’s 14th, where rising progressive star Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez knocked off an entrenched incumbent, Joe Crowley, it’s fine to go left on both economic and social issues. In some of heartland America, economics is the main ticket.

Nobody is a better role model for how to make pocketbook populism work in Trump country than Ohio’s Sherrod Brown. He is currently up between 13 and 17 points in the polls in his Senate re-election campaign, in a state that Donald Trump carried by more than 350,000 votes. It’s not that Brown is a moderate on social issues, either. He was the Senate’s lead sponsor on a resolution designating June as a month to celebrate and advance LGBTQ rights, and his position on all the social issues from immigration to abortion is progressive. But he leads with populist economics, so socially conservative working-class voters know that Brown is on their side, and they cut him some slack on other issues they may not support.

In West Virginia, the leader of that state’s teacher strike, Richard Ojeda, is waging a strong campaign to take an open House seat long held by Republicans. Ojeda, a Democratic state senator who voted for Trump himself, is running as an out and out progressive populist.

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Richard Ojeda speaks with campaign volunteer Heather Ritter, 39, outside his campaign headquarters in Logan, West Virginia, July 5, 2018.

Ojeda is so good that he manages to redefine social issues as class issues. Speaking at a pro-choice rally in Charleston, Ojeda told the crowd that he didn’t really like abortion, but that if it were outlawed, rich women would still get abortions.

West Virginians knew exactly what he meant. Indeed, many other supposed social issues, such as pay equity and parental leave, are really class issues if narrated well.

Only in a handful of swing, Republican-held suburban districts, where voters, especially Republican women, are disgusted with Trump, does it make any sense for a Democrat to run as more of a moderate on economics. And even in those districts, there are less affluent people who would turn out if a candidate gave them a good reason to vote.

So asking whether Democrats are running too far to the left in general is precisely the wrong question. The right question is how they blend economic issues ― where they need to run to the left almost everywhere ― with social issues like immigration rights, gun rights and abortion rights that can be divisive in the more socially conservative parts of the country.

The most ineffective combination of all, as Hillary Clinton painfully demonstrated in 2016, is left on identity issues and pro-Wall Street on economics. Kirsten Gillibrand and Cory Booker, take note.

In 2018, we can trust most Democrats to get this balance of the economic and the social right, if they pay attention to their districts and they lead with progressive economics. The press should start getting it right, too.

Robert Kuttner is co-editor of The American Prospect and a professor at Brandeis University’s Heller School. His new book is Can Democracy Survive Global Capitalism?
 
Make it more affordable. Control the tuition costs AFTER you win. And don’t make it so it’s just free, make it free for those who deserve and truly want it. Earn that Shit. Grades, etc. a few states have free community college or the first year or two free. Top notch colleges should cost.

Public colleges should be free. They are paid for with public funds like public High Schools.

Private Colleges charge just like private high schools.

All colleges should be top notch..

anything else is separate and unequal.
 
If progressive Dems split from the main party, and were joined by reasonable but disillusioned moderate Republicans from the other side (and there are a good many of them), a viable new party would be formed. Basically, the Tea Party minus a huge chunk of the ignorance and insanity.

And note I said "new", not "third", because if you look at how our political parties cycle historically, usually a new party comes up and one of the older one dies off. We're actually kinda due for that cycle to go through again.

Not sure which side dies if that happens, and I've kinda stopped caring. Since neither party is inclined to really fight for the people, they get what they get. Frankly, I think when/if a new party forms, Republicans and Democrats will slowly start to fade away. But hell, I'm not an expert or anything.
 
Public colleges should be free. They are paid for with public funds like public High Schools.

Private Colleges charge just like private high schools.

All colleges should be top notch..

anything else is separate and unequal.

1- you will never in anything in life get free and top notch together
2- this would destroy HBCUs
 
1- you will never in anything in life get free and top notch together
2- this would destroy HBCUs


it really isn't free.....your taxes already pay for this but instead they use your tax money for corporate giveaways.

If HBCU's are destroyed now this won't do it either.

There are people as it is that would rather pay thinking its will be better
 
it really isn't free.....your taxes already pay for this but instead they use your tax money for corporate giveaways.

If HBCU's are destroyed now this won't do it either.

There are people as it is that would rather pay thinking its will be better

My taxes pay for public K-12 schools too - and most of them are far from top notch.
 
1- you will never in anything in life get free and top notch together
2- this would destroy HBCUs
Wrong and wrong.
Making college tuition free will have absolutely no effect on the quality of the education. HBCU's would benefit because instead of depending on us poe blacks to come up with tuition they would get it straight ftom the federal govt.
 
My taxes pay for public K-12 schools too - and most of them are far from top notch.

Because you accept them being far from top notch.

You don't demand more..

You would rather move or pay for private school than to demand more

Public schools is white neighborhoods are top notch..

The funny thing is no matter how much you pay doesn't mean the product is top notch..
 
Wrong and wrong.
Making college tuition free will have absolutely no effect on the quality of the education. HBCU's would benefit because instead of depending on us poe blacks to come up with tuition they would get it straight ftom the federal govt.

Pretty pathetic that whenever change is the topic there will always be those who respond from a position of fear.

They would rather it stay the same just in case there will be some sacrifice required.

So now we should maintain the status quo in order to protect HBCUs whose very existence is based on denying us advanced education.

If we had equal access then HBCUs would have never existed.
 
Wrong and wrong.
Making college tuition free will have absolutely no effect on the quality of the education. HBCU's would benefit because instead of depending on us poe blacks to come up with tuition they would get it straight ftom the federal govt.

LOL ok.

and HBCUs are private - according to ballscout's free plan only state schools would get gov funding :dunno:
 
Pretty pathetic that whenever change is the topic there will always be those who respond from a position of fear.

They would rather it stay the same just in case there will be some sacrifice required.

So now we should maintain the status quo in order to protect HBCUs whose very existence is based on denying us advanced education.

If we had equal access then HBCUs would have never existed.

I never said we have to maintain the status quo - I just said free college for state schools would destroy HBCUs.

Yall bitch about being indoctrinated by CAC ideals in public education but are ok with HBCUs ending? Hmmm...
 
I never said we have to maintain the status quo - I just said free college for state schools would destroy HBCUs.

Yall bitch about being indoctrinated by CAC ideals in public education but are ok with HBCUs ending? Hmmm...
It wont end HBCU's...
 
Liberals have ruined this entire party.....Talking about being more radical is ridiculous...we have to allow moderates to run period
 
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