If Democrats Want To Win, They Need To Get Radical

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As we face the near daily crises of 2018 ― worsening climate change, stagnating wages and rising autocracy, one of the rare points of agreement across the political spectrum is that Democrats should be less extreme. It’s unseemly to challenge Trump administration officials through acts of civil disobedience, we’re told. It’s ungracious to stall or stymie President Donald Trump’s Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh with parliamentary tricks. It’s unjust to consider the impeachment of a president who aligned himself with a hostile attacker over our own intelligence services.

But it is unacceptable to maintain the status quo.

We face extraordinary challenges. We have a health care system that requires the victims of mass shootings to crowdfund their recoveries, inflates the cost of lifesaving drugs at a whim and grotesquely penalizes chronically ill and disabled people. Our economy compensates workers with meager wages despite record corporate profits, demands debt to make basic investments in our education at every level and creates a cultural atmosphere that routinely criticizes us for the tiniest indulgences. A paramilitary operation that willfully perpetrates an inhumane and illegal family separation policy and is overseen by inveterate liars has free rein under the auspices of this administration.

These conditions call for dramatic solutions. Overhauling the layered complexities of our health care system or abolishing a federal agency may seem radical on its face, but that perception rests on divorcing the substance of the policies from the reasons they are necessary. Liberals do not seek to abolish Immigration and Customs Enforcement because they want to destroy agencies, but because they seek to end the harms perpetrated by this particular office.

Americans are not seeking to overthrow the world, but to build a system that values and invests in our success and has mercy for our failures. In search of this, we have marched and organized and engaged in civil disobedience and protest. We handed a three-million-vote margin to the most progressive platform in decades in the previous election.

Liberals do not seek to abolish ICE because they want to destroy agencies, but because they seek to end the harms perpetrated by this particular agency.
Yet, despite the energy and enthusiasm for this vision of the country, elected Democrats have remained defensive. They chide their own constituencies for pursuing remedies to our suffering. Rather than celebrating and encouraging their base, the party seems alternately embarrassed and resentful to have it at the center of their coalition. Further, the Democratic leadership’s reluctance to appreciate and endorse the very core of its support and appeal has attracted attacks and made the party too weak to endure them.

This cowardice has enabled the Republican Party to set the agenda and define the parameters of discussion. The very same party that had a presidential candidate call for the outright eradication of three Cabinet-level agencies during a debate (though only remembering two) is somehow able to paint abolishing ICE as extreme.

During that same campaign, every GOP candidate rejected a theoretical agreement in which they would receive a ten-to-one ratio of spending cuts to tax increases, in one of the most outrageous and public displays of fiscal innumeracy in American politics. The issues that animate their base — from guns and taxes to immigration and diversity — dominate our national dialogue even as majorities disagree with them, giving them outsized influence in what is meant to be a representative polity. Republicans do not even pretend to consider the lives and well-being of American citizens beyond their voters and donors, and, facing no rebuke and no consequence, they have internalized the idea that they never need to do so.
The problems that surround us are the result of an insufficiently aggressive Democratic Party conceding to right-wing radicalism. This vision for the country has eroded democracy, diminished economic mobility, degraded our environment, worsened our health, squandered the potential of an entire generation and endangered the retirement of another.

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Remedying this will require a radicalism heretofore unseen from Democratic leadership. It must be a radicalism of approach, investment and policy that centers the values, stories and lives of Democratic voters and their allies. They must, as Mario Cuomo once said, campaign in poetry and govern in prose. It is a radicalism that mentions the global ubiquity of paid maternity leave in the same breath as the global prevalence of universal healthcare systems. It is a radicalism that defends, not castigates, the righteous anger of Democratic representatives, like Maxine Waters of California and Frederica Wilson of Florida, when they are under attack. It is a radicalism that does not concede to the limited Republican notion of what the country has been, and instead challenges us to embrace what the country could be.

It may seem easier to meekly preserve the Democratic legacy of the 20th century than it is to set the foundations for a new one in the 21st, but that is a false choice. Victory rests upon pushing forward an agenda designed for the problems of today while recognizing how we solved the ones of yesterday. It was not the moderation of the Democratic Party that salvaged the country from the Great Depression. It was not kindness that challenged fascism at home and abroad. It was not deference that ended de jure segregation and recognized black citizenship as American citizenship. It was radicalism.

That same spirit is necessary to protect and expand our election systems, devastate white supremacy legislatively, reduce gun violence, set a floor for American poverty, develop the energy infrastructure of the future, equalize education, encompass all American citizens within the safety and power of representation and meet the challenges that have and will come with climate change.

For the Democratic Party to survive and thrive, the days of campaigning in prose and governing in silence must end.
 
#a third aggressive progressive party is needed


Tea Party might have been a 3rd party but the Republicans kept their party together.

Now progressives and younger candidates might split from the DNC..It will be interesting how the Democrats decide to handle the desire by some to change direction.

Will the party split or will the DNC decide to keep the party together
 
Tea Party might have been a 3rd party but the Republicans kept their party together.

Now progressives and younger candidates might split from the DNC..It will be interesting how the Democrats decide to handle the desire by some to change direction.

Will the party split or will the DNC decide to keep the party together

I Think There's Gonna be a Split...As long as DNC is Cashing Checks From Same People (corporations) as GOP Then the Saying Holds Up of Them Being Different Wing Yet Same Bird
 
They have the GOP on their deathbed yet refuse to deliver the Death Blow. Put Auntie Maxine and Joe Biden in front of the mic's and hide the resuscitator already
 
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Tea Party might have been a 3rd party but the Republicans kept their party together.

Now progressives and younger candidates might split from the DNC..It will be interesting how the Democrats decide to handle the desire by some to change direction.

Will the party split or will the DNC decide to keep the party together
Man.... fuck the DNC.... I bounced when I founf out that Debbie Wasserman schultz gave full throat and head to the pay day loan industry... and I won't be back unless they get serious about a truly progressive agenda.
 
Stop talking about it, and just fucking VOTE.
Get your damn families off work and VOTE locally.
Wait in line if need be, fuck a mail in absentee vote, that may not be counted in early results based on the state.
CHECK your actual registration at 6 months, then again in 2 month, especially in TX, NC, SC, GA, OH, PA and MISS.
Flip the house first (even with gerrymandering, if motherfuckers would stop complaining and vote 100%.
Then you can force a senate candidate to rise in accordance with the issues you want.
If it does not flip in one cycle, don't turn into waffling, whining citizens that refuse to KEEP fighting for the long game.

Active voting citizen is all candidates respond to. The democrats ain't shit, but at least they are not seeking to overturn basic citizen ship rights, the way the republicans are headed.

PLEASE stop fighting over fucking religion, leave that shit to another voting cycle. We are Black people FIRST, before all these damn religions that separate our actual material realities.
 
Man.... fuck the DNC.... I bounced when I founf out that Debbie Wasserman schultz gave full throat and head to the pay day loan industry... and I won't be back unless they get serious about a truly progressive agenda.

Bruh, dont hold your breath, I dont see the dems taking on a progressive agenda.. The dems motto for years has been we would rather lose to a republican, than support a progressive candidate!! The DNC got hijacked by billy clinton and the party hasnt been the same since!! Before I return to the dems, they need to gut all those worthless corporate democrats!! I dont see the dnc changing anything they are doing, so Im going to keep my ass over here in the independent ranks!!
 
I Think There's Gonna be a Split...As long as DNC is Cashing Checks From Same People (corporations) as GOP Then the Saying Holds Up of Them Being Different Wing Yet Same Bird


Yeap!! Dems and repubs are a 2headed cockroach attach to the same infected body!! Why is that so hard to see???
 
Eventually a third party will emerge and be a major player on local, state, and federal levels.

We will have:

1. The left(ultra progressive)
2. The right(ultra conservative)
3. The centrist(a combo of both)

The two major party system will not last forever. People are evolving in their social awareness and two parties will not be enough.
 
Stop the bullshit abolish ICE shit.
Stop the free college for everyone Shit.


Why not free college?? This corporation give billions on top of billions to farmers to not plant crops!! And thats just one of thousands of corporate welfare examples..
 
Stop the bullshit abolish ICE shit.
Stop the free college for everyone Shit.

This is what's wrong. People who are supposed to be n the left talking about the Republican narrative.

Its free public colleges. Public colleges should be what people get access to because of the taxes they pay.

Repeal and Replace the ACA was a valid platform for the right but doing the same without of control ICE iis somehow a bad word because of the spineless left and their inability to define themselves.

They continue to allow the right to define and set the narrative and then waffle in trying to explain after.
 
Eventually a third party will emerge and be a major player on local, state, and federal levels.

We will have:

1. The left(ultra progressive)
2. The right(ultra conservative)
3. The centrist(a combo of both)

The two major party system will not last forever. People are evolving in their social awareness and two parties will not be enough.

Centrist is going to be more about common sense the way things are going now. The extreme right with their religious nonsense and other social bullshit is a problem. The extreme left is the domain of some fucking nuts too.

The question is where does getting shit done for black America happen? Extreme right won't do it. Extreme left? They too worried about gender pronouns, illegals, and social media posts from 20 years ago. It's going to come from he center left(this isn't the old center left. New center left is what was considered progressive just 10 years ago. Let that sink in).

This is what's wrong. People who are supposed to be n the left talking about the Republican narrative.

Its free public colleges. Public colleges should be what people get access to because of the taxes they pay.

Repeal and Replace the ACA was a valid platform for the right but doing the same without of control ICE iis somehow a bad word because of the spineless left and their inability to define themselves.

They continue to allow the right to define and set the narrative and then waffle in trying to explain after.

True. Public colleges should be free.

But let's be honest, the extreme left is just too weird these days. Unfortunately, they are the loudest. And they bully the fuck out of people. They've grown intolerant of any criticism.

We need the old guard of the democratic party out, but it shouldn't be replaced with a bunch of fucking weirdos. Our elections are about to devolve into the Asylum battles. Extreme right vs Extreme left.

It's getting to a point where the sensible people leaning toward the middle on both sides are going to have to work together. Sounds crazy, but if you have just one position that you disagree with the extreme left on, they will cannibalize you. :smh:
 
#a third aggressive progressive party is needed

It’s a battle for the entire Democratic party to win elections. Whta makes you think a splinter goup off the main Dem party is going to win anything?

That would just guarantee Republicans win all elections outside of a few places on the West coast.
 
This is what's wrong. People who are supposed to be n the left talking about the Republican narrative.

Its free public colleges. Public colleges should be what people get access to because of the taxes they pay.

Repeal and Replace the ACA was a valid platform for the right but doing the same without of control ICE iis somehow a bad word because of the spineless left and their inability to define themselves.

They continue to allow the right to define and set the narrative and then waffle in trying to explain after.
Please post James Comey plea for democrats to be responsible.
 
They need to draft Avenatti.

Don't know about that so much now. He's part bulldog and part bullshitter and I like the bulldog part. But increasingly there are ethical questions about him.
He recently said he's up for representing Michael Cohen, the same Michael Cohen he said was possibly the guy who threatened his client Stormy Daniels. Don't know what to make of that. :hmm:
 
Bullshit. Sucking up to the right is whats causing them to get thier ass handed to them in mid terms.
Which way do you vote? Left or right?

I am a moderate democrat.....

The left with the weird shit is out of step.with mainstream America.....

They are making the party labelled gay....godless and gunless.....

All of that shit is WAY OUT OF STEP with mainstream America
 
I am a moderate democrat.....

The left with the weird shit is out of step.with mainstream America.....

They are making the party labelled gay....godless and gunless.....

All of that shit is WAY OUT OF STEP with mainstream America
Is it? If the dems swing way left will you be voting Republican ?
 
Radical party change sounds great but...that won't change u.s. political climate that tends to run in pretty predictable cycles/swings..next cycle is due when a enough white folks realize how completely rawdog has fucked them too.

 
I am a moderate democrat.....

The left with the weird shit is out of step.with mainstream America.....

They are making the party labelled gay....godless and gunless.....

All of that shit is WAY OUT OF STEP with mainstream America

There hasn't been a liberal president in recent memory .

The moderate democrats also called blue dogs are the reason democrats get nothing done because they are not staunch party loyalist. They are only loyal to themselves and keeping their seats so if that means crossing the aisle they do.

Pandering to gays is not about liberal ideals it is about money and marching to the special interest donors.

What is mainstream America ? and are you a member ?

Mainstream America might not be racist it it is racist affiliated.

So did you say you were mainstream ?
 
There hasn't been a liberal president in recent memory .

The moderate democrats also called blue dogs are the reason democrats get nothing done because they are not staunch party loyalist. They are only loyal to themselves and keeping their seats so if that means crossing the aisle they do.

Pandering to gays is not about liberal ideals it is about money and marching to the special interest donors.

What is mainstream America ? and are you a member ?

Mainstream America might not be racist it it is racist affiliated.

So did you say you were mainstream ?

So moderate democrat = blue dog now????.....trying to stretch to help your argument I see.....

Mainstream???? Oh I think you must of forgotten.....election night is about getting past 50%.
 
So moderate democrat = blue dog now????.....trying to stretch to help your argument I see.....

Mainstream???? Oh I think you must of forgotten.....election night is about getting past 50%.

yes sir because a moderate democrat today fluctuates between center right and center left but they are center.

and center has moved right following the GOP further right.

if getting past 50% means catering to those interests of the donors and forsaking the rest and the democratic identity then what good is it.
 
So the left isn t liberal? My bad.

Liberal left hasn't had any power since Ted Kennedy died.

The moderates are why people aren't flocking to the polls.

The moderates who have abandoned the democratic identity and make it hard to distinguish the difference

There hasn't been a left in recent years...
 
yes sir because a moderate democrat today fluctuates between center right and center left but they are center.

and center has moved right following the GOP further right.

if getting past 50% means catering to those interests of the donors and forsaking the rest and the democratic identity then what good is it.

Nope is about electing who you want to fight against..i d rather fight against Hillary and the special interest if the DNC.....then elect Trump and let the Court go right for the next 35 + years
 
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