I am sick of right wing talk radio!

[TheGunslinger]

This morning the white right wing host was discussing the death of Coreta Scottt King... He concludes that the problems that MLK was fighting are solved enough that we dont nedd anymore MLK types to continue the fight and it is now just up to black people to end the negative sterio types whites have of them by: Working harder, stayiing in school, not comiting crimes, not having children out of wed lock etc. etc.
All the callers (white) agree with him and it was so sickening listeneing to a bunch of white people talking about what black need to do and stop doing to end racist reatment from whites.

Then they concluded that MLK wanted all americans to live color blind!!!! I thought he wanted whites to stop teating us like bad because our skin is black!?

 

[Fuckallyall]

This morning the white right wing host was discussing the death of Coreta Scottt King... He concludes that the problems that MLK was fighting are solved enough that we dont nedd anymore MLK types to continue the fight and it is now just up to black people to end the negative sterio types whites have of them by: Working harder, stayiing in school, not comiting crimes, not having children out of wed lock etc. etc.
All the callers (white) agree with him and it was so sickening listeneing to a bunch of white people talking about what black need to do and stop doing to end racist reatment from whites.

Then they concluded that MLK wanted all americans to live color blind!!!! I thought he wanted whites to stop teating us like bad because our skin is black!?

If you are sick of right wing talk radio, don't listen to it.

 

[QueEx]

Yeah, stop listening because it does no good to know what others are thinking; and don't take that advice either ( Working harder, stayiing in school, not comiting crimes, not having children out of wed lock etc.), it might help.

QueEx

 

[Temujin]

This morning the white right wing host was discussing the death of Coreta Scottt King... He concludes that the problems that MLK was fighting are solved enough that we dont nedd anymore MLK types to continue the fight and it is now just up to black people to end the negative sterio types whites have of them by: Working harder, stayiing in school, not comiting crimes, not having children out of wed lock etc. etc.
All the callers (white) agree with him and it was so sickening listeneing to a bunch of white people talking about what black need to do and stop doing to end racist reatment from whites.

Then they concluded that MLK wanted all americans to live color blind!!!! I thought he wanted whites to stop teating us like bad because our skin is black!?

It is now fashionable to disgard white complicity in the plight of the blackman in America. After they kidnapped us enslaved us and oppressed us for 200 years now that we have perceived equal rights history means nothing. White people do not feel guilty for what their ancestors did to us nor do they feel guilty for reaping the rewards of a system of oppression. They easily take all the credit for the success of America while passing off all the evil they have done to create their success as a black problem.

There racist reactions to us are now our problem. What's most sad about this situation is black people have fallen in to the trap and started co-signing this white racist ideology. The level of self hate in the black community is at an all time high and right wing radio sees the opening to attack icons like MLK basically calling him irelevant in 2006.

"But who cares right. If black people didn't act like niggas white people wouldn't treat us like niggas." Typical house coon 2006

 

[Greed]

there is no more shock value associated with right wing radio anymore.

you knew what you were going to get when you turned it on, so in my opinion you dont lose the right to be offended, but you do lose the right to complain about the inevitable afterwards.

i'm with fuckallyall, dont listen to it.

 

[TheGunslinger]

there is no more shock value associated with right wing radio anymore.

you knew what you were going to get when you turned it on, so in my opinion you dont lose the right to be offended, but you do lose the right to complain about the inevitable afterwards.

i'm with fuckallyall, dont listen to it.

I will admit, I do listen to too much of it, often hoping to hear some sensible views. But then again right wig radio is so popular now it is scary to thing that so many peopel agree with the twisted logic they aspouse so even if I dont listen to it I may still have to live it.

 

[TheGunslinger]

Yeah, stop listening because it does no good to know what others are thinking; and don't take that advice either ( Working harder, stayiing in school, not comiting crimes, not having children out of wed lock etc.), it might help.

QueEx

I agree that it is good to know what others are thinking and that all races should take that advice ( Working harder, staying in school, not commiting crimes, not having children out of wed lock etc.), but what will white people do to reduce their racist treatment of blacks so that when we do Work harder, stay in school, not commit crimes, not have children out of wed lock etc. we can have an equal chance at success????

 

[QueEx]

I agree that it is good to know what others are thinking and that all races should take that advice ( Working harder, staying in school, not commiting crimes, not having children out of wed lock etc.), but what will white people do to reduce their racist treatment of blacks so that when we do Work harder, stay in school, not commit crimes, not have children out of wed lock etc. we can have an equal chance at success????[/b]

Fuck what they will do; I'm more concerned about what we will do as we progress towards the question -- what will they do now? <u>When</u> we get there, I'm sure we will have an answer. When we work harder, stay in school, etc., we will have defined success -- and we won't need white folks to define it for us.

QueEx

 

[Temujin]

I agree that it is good to know what others are thinking and that all races should take that advice ( Working harder, staying in school, not commiting crimes, not having children out of wed lock etc.), but what will white people do to reduce their racist treatment of blacks so that when we do Work harder, stay in school, not commit crimes, not have children out of wed lock etc. we can have an equal chance at success????

White people will do nothing. As far as they are concerned racism no longer exists and they no longer have any complicity in the failures of the black community. Many black people have been tricked into believing this also so they are now blind to the oppresive tactics of white people in America. Our civil right ancestor knew very well that it is impossible to gain equality in an oppressive society without fighting the oppression. If we spend the next ten years ignoring oppresion, ignoring the effects racism has had on the black community we will be back to 1950. All the progress of the civil rights movement will be lost. Our children will grow up learning to ignore racism and the white community will have a fresh crop of lambs ready to be slaughtered.

 

[Fuckallyall]

Fuck what they will do; I'm more concerned about what we will do as we progress towards the question -- what will they do now? <u>When</u> we get there, I'm sure we will have an answer. When we work harder, stay in school, etc., we will have defined success -- and we won't need white folks to define it for us.

QueEx

That is where I am now, and try to share with others. What I have come to believe is that the power elit of this society intended for me and mine to be nothing but the permenent underclass. Now, we have changed some of the minds somewhat, but it does not change the fact that much of the focus of much of the controlling class for much of the history of this country want me to stay subservient. With that in mind, I feel it is best to do my best to improve my situation, and try to prevail against all challenges. While I will always challenge the bigoted point of view, I don't wait for the bigot to change thier mind.

 

[Borg]

see if you have "Air America" in your market. they have some pretty good hosts. I especially like "MIKE MALLOY" That boy is on the edge...

 

[ronmch20]

I'm Not! I turn it on everytime I need a good laugh. That dumb ass bubba crowd is so stupid you can't help by laugh.

 

[VegasGuy]

It is now fashionable to disgard white complicity in the plight of the blackman in America. After they kidnapped us enslaved us and oppressed us for 200 years now that we have perceived equal rights history means nothing. White people do not feel guilty for what their ancestors did to us nor do they feel guilty for reaping the rewards of a system of oppression. They easily take all the credit for the success of America while passing off all the evil they have done to create their success as a black problem.

No one should dismiss our history nor use our history as a crutch where white complicity is concerned good or bad. The fact is this power structure will continue to enslave those who are "enslavable." If that’s a word.

What does that mean today in simple terms? Those who have little economic power as well as little political power, get treated like shit. If you got money and have political clout, you live better in this country. That's just fact. Wrap your mind around it and get used to the idea. That's real. So sitting around acting like there is no hope to do better, or waiting for whites to all of a sudden get a conscious and offer reparations and a public apology is probably the biggest tools /weapon used by political and race hustler types use to keep many of us enslaved or thinking as slaves.

When we rally, the number one call we get to hear about is one of reparations. Like if we get a check, that will make us "whole" again. As if we knew what being whole was like to begin with. Many of us don’t. I sure as hell don’t know what that is.

There racist reactions to us are now our problem. What's most sad about this situation is black people have fallen in to the trap and started co-signing this white racist ideology. The level of self hate in the black community is at an all time high and right wing radio sees the opening to attack icons like MLK basically calling him irelevant in 2006.

I'm not exactly sure where you are going with that but nobody Black I've heard is co-signing white racist ideology. However the fuck that manifests itself. However I will agree with you about self hate part and the things we do that don't produce the types of marketable results for our communities that MLK and others who put their necks on the line talked about. Get Judge Mathis's book and read his story. He didn't allow white racists use his past as a weapon or allow his past to be used as a crutch. He's still not rich but he sure is living better. And that's what I'm talking about.

We continue to do shit that keep us tied to white federal and state run programs to feed, clothes and house the children we continue to produce but don't raise. Then whine about being treated less than a man/woman. Paying the cost to be the boss is real. If all the state has to do is toss yo ass a food stamp once a month and that quiets you down and it does, how else do you expect you will be viewed in society?

Moreover the moment a brotha or sista attempts to position us to view our situation in a slightly different light, that our situation is not as grim as it's being made to look if we just make an effort, here come the race hustlers to remind us we got to look at our lives like we are in a hopeless situation. That to live in an emotional morass as they do, is the only way to be BLACK like that certifies your blackness.

"But who cares right. If black people didn't act like niggas white people wouldn't treat us like niggas." Typical house coon 2006

See what I mean?

-VG

 

[TheGunslinger]

Those who have little economic power as well as little political power, get treated like shit. If you got money and have political clout, you live better in this country. That's just fact. Wrap your mind around it and get used to the idea. That's real. So sitting around acting like there is no hope to do better, or waiting for whites to all of a sudden get a conscious and offer reparations and a public apology is probably the biggest tools /weapon used by political and race hustler types use to keep many of us enslaved or thinking as slaves.-VG

So ok, now they have inventd a new game based on "money and political clout" I understand that game and how it works.

The problem is that they have started this new game with all the good cards which they kept from the last game. By that I mean they control the wealth and the political clout to the extent that they still mentain considerable control over those who have less. Then as usual they have kids and pass that power down to their kids and the game continues until they change it again.

I have worked hard and achieved in life but it seems for every black man like me there are 15 who falll down. It seems like the system provides oportunity but in such a way that only a small number of us will make it up close to the top then once we get there it seems it is easier for us to be pushed back down so many are scared to reach down and pull others up.

 

[VegasGuy]

So ok, now they have inventd a new game based on "money and political clout" I understand that game and how it works.

The problem is that they have started this new game with all the good cards which they kept from the last game. By that I mean they control the wealth and the political clout to the extent that they still mentain considerable control over those who have less. Then as usual they have kids and pass that power down to their kids and the game continues until they change it again.

I have worked hard and achieved in life but it seems for every black man like me there are 15 who falll down. It seems like the system provides oportunity but in such a way that only a small number of us will make it up close to the top then once we get there it seems it is easier for us to be pushed back down so many are scared to reach down and pull others up.

It's not a new game. It's been the game all along and belive it or not, we are players in that game. We just have a problem navigating some of the tricks and the rules of the game. We all do from time to time.

As I said, most times we won't think about how to confront a situation and make those problems work in our favor. But once we figure it out, we advance. Sometimes it involves assimilation, sometimes it involves making our own rules or a combination of the two but when we figure it out, it's damn sweet. Now don't get it twisted, assimilation doesn't mean selling out as many in our society would be quick to tell you. I've even heard that if you use words not commonly used in their neighborhoods, you've sold out to white thought. Again, in my opinion its one of those weapons used to keep you from developing your own thought processes that always help us succeed.

And yes they have good cards but they don't have ALL the good cards. We have something they don't have and that is a shared experience of long suffering but we sometimes lack perseverance.

-VG

 

[Temujin]

I'm not exactly sure where you are going with that but nobody Black I've heard is co-signing white racist ideology. However the fuck that manifests itself. However I will agree with you about self hate part and the things we do that don't produce the types of marketable results for our communities that MLK and others who put their necks on the line talked about. Get Judge Mathis's book and read his story. He didn't allow white racists use his past as a weapon or allow his past to be used as a crutch. He's still not rich but he sure is living better. And that's what I'm talking about.

We continue to do shit that keep us tied to white federal and state run programs to feed, clothes and house the children we continue to produce but don't raise. Then whine about being treated less than a man/woman. Paying the cost to be the boss is real. If all the state has to do is toss yo ass a food stamp once a month and that quiets you down and it does, how else do you expect you will be viewed in society?



-VG

First the majority of black conservatives thinkers that I read about and hear about are constantly cosigning with the white racist ideology that.

1. Black people in America ain't shit.
2. Racism does not have an affect on our people anymore
3. We should not ask for or receive aid from the white establishment.

You in your own response laid into black people in America illustrating the type of self hate I am speaking of. This is a money game as you laid out. Our people are at a severe disadvantage from birth because of centuries of oppresion. Why is wrong for me to fight for education aid for my people or for housing aid or food. These are the basic necessities of life. 30% of my people are born into poverty in America. Why are we born into poverty. Poverty and being poor is not something that happens to someone instantly it is a condition that develops over time. When you grow up poor you learn how to be poor. When you are instilled with the lessons of poverty there is little chance of your success without help. Help that white people are unwilling to give and help that our own people are now unwilling to give. This is the racist sick disgusting degrading ideology that white right wingers espouse and black conservatives cosign.

How many fucking times to I have to hear "see that's the difference between a black person and a nigga". This is the 2006 coon. The degraders of our people the perpetrators of self hate. These sick fucks are doing the whitemans job for them. They are convincing a whole generation of poor people that they ain't shit.

 

[Fuckallyall]

First the majority of black conservatives thinkers that I read about and hear about are constantly cosigning with the white racist ideology that.

1. Black people in America ain't shit.
2. Racism does not have an affect on our people anymore
3. We should not ask for or receive aid from the white establishment.

You in your own response laid into black people in America illustrating the type of self hate I am speaking of. This is a money game as you laid out. Our people are at a severe disadvantage from birth because of centuries of oppresion. Why is wrong for me to fight for education aid for my people or for housing aid or food. These are the basic necessities of life. 30% of my people are born into poverty in America. Why are we born into poverty. Poverty and being poor is not something that happens to someone instantly it is a condition that develops over time. When you grow up poor you learn how to be poor. When you are instilled with the lessons of poverty there is little chance of your success without help. Help that white people are unwilling to give and help that our own people are now unwilling to give. This is the racist sick disgusting degrading ideology that white right wingers espouse and black conservatives cosign.

How many fucking times to I have to hear "see that's the difference between a black person and a nigga". This is the 2006 coon. The degraders of our people the perpetrators of self hate. These sick fucks are doing the whitemans job for them. They are convincing a whole generation of poor people that they ain't shit.

As usual, you miss the mark. First of all, criticism is not always self hate. it may just be an honest assesment of the situation. If you see a negative situation, and you care, you try to use the tools you have to change the result. In the case of much of what affects black america, many (including me) look INSIDE for change, not outside. It is far more possible (and easier) to tell folks to manage thier reproduction and response to stress than it is to obtain a sufficient amount of funds from others to compensate for any shortcomings that may exist within the community.

Also, you say that 30% of black folks are born in poverty. That means 70% aren't. Also, according to the IRS, most of them do not stay in poverty. You know why? Because if you finish high school, get a job (any job), and only leave that job when you have another one lined up, and not get convicted of a crime, you stand less than a 1 in 10 chance of ever falling into poverty. Now, how responsible should white people be in making sure black people do the above? If they are responsible, then why should they not have a say over thier stewards? Wouldn't you want to advise those disposing of your resources ? Doesn't sound too comfortable, does it? That is one of the reasons some of us conservatives do not want to compel others to fund our lives. There are many more, and you have heard some of them, so I'll stop here. Holla.

 

[Temujin]

As usual, you miss the mark. First of all, criticism is not always self hate. it may just be an honest assesment of the situation. If you see a negative situation, and you care, you try to use the tools you have to change the result. In the case of much of what affects black america, many (including me) look INSIDE for change, not outside. It is far more possible (and easier) to tell folks to manage thier reproduction and response to stress than it is to obtain a sufficient amount of funds from others to compensate for any shortcomings that may exist within the community.

Also, you say that 30% of black folks are born in poverty. That means 70% aren't. Also, according to the IRS, most of them do not stay in poverty. You know why? Because if you finish high school, get a job (any job), and only leave that job when you have another one lined up, and not get convicted of a crime, you stand less than a 1 in 10 chance of ever falling into poverty. Now, how responsible should white people be in making sure black people do the above? If they are responsible, then why should they not have a say over thier stewards? Wouldn't you want to advise those disposing of your resources ? Doesn't sound too comfortable, does it? That is one of the reasons some of us conservatives do not want to compel others to fund our lives. There are many more, and you have heard some of them, so I'll stop here. Holla.

First off criticism is not help. Telling someone who is drowning that they are drowning does absolutely nothing to prevent them from drowning. It does not help. That is why it is so disingenious when white and black conservatives spend the majority of their time making disparaging comments about black people yet sitting on the moral highground as if they are trying to help.
It's total bullshit. All your critisim does is reinforce negative stereotypes of the black community. You become a tool of the oppression because all you are doing is adding validity to the racists thoughts of white conservatives.


Second. You cannot tell someone who is drowning to learn how to swim. Conservatives sit on the sidelines while black people are drowning in poverty and tell them to learn how to swim. They don't actually tell them how to swim they just tell them to learn how by yourself. Then you tell people who want to through them a life preserver don't because they will never learn how to swim. SO essentially ya'll would rather people die then give help. Telling someone to pull themselves up by their bootstraps only works if the person has boots.

White people in America have benefited greatly from racism and oppression. The money that goes to the black community in the form of education assistance affrimative action, medicaid and medicare is OWED to us. The advantage white society has over black society through generational wealth gained from slavery and racism cannot be ignored. Our ancestors worked just as hard (and in my opinion harder) than white societies ancestors in making this country great. Yet we do not reap the benefits of this economic powerhouse that is America. And I am not talking about reperations here I am talking about EQUALITY.

And also your statement that most do not stay in poverty is TOTALY FALSE. Over 70% of children born into poverty stay in poverty their entire lives. Do you know what percentage of white children are born into poverty 9.5%. If that is not a wake up call about what type of advantage white children have over black children in America from birth I don't know what is. The type of generational advantage that an ideology of pull yourself up bootstraps ignores.

 

[TheGunslinger]

First off criticism is not help. Telling someone who is drowning that they are drowning does absolutely nothing to prevent them from drowning. It does not help. That is why it is so disingenious when white and black conservatives spend the majority of their time making disparaging comments about black people yet sitting on the moral highground as if they are trying to help.
It's total bullshit. All your critisim does is reinforce negative stereotypes of the black community. You become a tool of the oppression because all you are doing is adding validity to the racists thoughts of white conservatives.


Second. You cannot tell someone who is drowning to learn how to swim. Conservatives sit on the sidelines while black people are drowning in poverty and tell them to learn how to swim. They don't actually tell them how to swim they just tell them to learn how by yourself. Then you tell people who want to through them a life preserver don't because they will never learn how to swim. SO essentially ya'll would rather people die then give help. Telling someone to pull themselves up by their bootstraps only works if the person has boots.

White people in America have benefited greatly from racism and oppression. The money that goes to the black community in the form of education assistance affrimative action, medicaid and medicare is OWED to us. The advantage white society has over black society through generational wealth gained from slavery and racism cannot be ignored. Our ancestors worked just as hard (and in my opinion harder) than white societies ancestors in making this country great. Yet we do not reap the benefits of this economic powerhouse that is America. And I am not talking about reperations here I am talking about EQUALITY.

And also your statement that most do not stay in poverty is TOTALY FALSE. Over 70% of children born into poverty stay in poverty their entire lives. Do you know what percentage of white children are born into poverty 9.5%. If that is not a wake up call about what type of advantage white children have over black children in America from birth I don't know what is. The type of generational advantage that an ideology of pull yourself up bootstraps ignores.

I could not have said it better!

Whites did not want to give anything up after slavery and they sure as hell don't want to give anything up now. In reality it is foolish to expect someone to share something they stole with the people they stole it from (i.e. americas wealth with black people.)

White and black conservatives have the attitude that enough much time has passed that everything is now rightfully thiers and we have to earn it back. LOL

Peacefull protest will get us gains but on their terms and their time frame.
But we may not have a choice in the matter now.

 

[Fuckallyall]

First off criticism is not help. Telling someone who is drowning that they are drowning does absolutely nothing to prevent them from drowning. It does not help. That is why it is so disingenious when white and black conservatives spend the majority of their time making disparaging comments about black people yet sitting on the moral highground as if they are trying to help.
It's total bullshit. All your critisim does is reinforce negative stereotypes of the black community. You become a tool of the oppression because all you are doing is adding validity to the racists thoughts of white conservatives.


Second. You cannot tell someone who is drowning to learn how to swim. Conservatives sit on the sidelines while black people are drowning in poverty and tell them to learn how to swim. They don't actually tell them how to swim they just tell them to learn how by yourself. Then you tell people who want to through them a life preserver don't because they will never learn how to swim. SO essentially ya'll would rather people die then give help. Telling someone to pull themselves up by their bootstraps only works if the person has boots.

White people in America have benefited greatly from racism and oppression. The money that goes to the black community in the form of education assistance affrimative action, medicaid and medicare is OWED to us. The advantage white society has over black society through generational wealth gained from slavery and racism cannot be ignored. Our ancestors worked just as hard (and in my opinion harder) than white societies ancestors in making this country great. Yet we do not reap the benefits of this economic powerhouse that is America. And I am not talking about reperations here I am talking about EQUALITY.

And also your statement that most do not stay in poverty is TOTALY FALSE. Over 70% of children born into poverty stay in poverty their entire lives. Do you know what percentage of white children are born into poverty 9.5%. If that is not a wake up call about what type of advantage white children have over black children in America from birth I don't know what is. The type of generational advantage that an ideology of pull yourself up bootstraps ignores.

Drowning and poverty are as different as breathing and betting. Preventing drowning and poverty involve totally different mechanisms. Either you can, or can't swim. That is not the case with decisions you make in your life. But you don't see it that way. Your thought pattern is far more insidious than anything a bigot espouses. The bigot says "I don't like you and will try to keep you down". Your thought pattern rots the will of others from within by promoting helplessnsess and excuses instead of ambition and perservence. In other words, you say "you are a failure because of something you can't do anything about, so don't try". Your thought pattern would have kept MLK and others from striving, while mine would be " so what they don't like us?, we must move regardless of wht stands in our way." Frederick Douglass did not ask for white people to give him something to say, he spoke REGARDLESS of what they thought. His will said "no struggle no progress", not "no handouts, no progress".

Also, I get my poverty statistics from the 2000 census, and exptrapolations from other censuses. Where do you get yours from? Because under your assertion, there should be a constant rise of the percentage of black people in poverty, and I have not seen anything reported to that effect.

Also, do ALL white people owe you something ? what about those who came through Ellis Island and never traded in racist industrialism ? If they do owe you, how much ? And sisnce I pay taxes, and I am black, how much do I owe? for I must owe if I am paying.

 

[VegasGuy]

First the majority of black conservatives thinkers that I read about and hear about are constantly cosigning with the white racist ideology that.

1. Black people in America ain't shit.
2. Racism does not have an affect on our people anymore
3. We should not ask for or receive aid from the white establishment.

You in your own response laid into black people in America illustrating the type of self hate I am speaking of. This is a money game as you laid out. Our people are at a severe disadvantage from birth because of centuries of oppresion. Why is wrong for me to fight for education aid for my people or for housing aid or food. These are the basic necessities of life. 30% of my people are born into poverty in America. Why are we born into poverty. Poverty and being poor is not something that happens to someone instantly it is a condition that develops over time. When you grow up poor you learn how to be poor. When you are instilled with the lessons of poverty there is little chance of your success without help. Help that white people are unwilling to give and help that our own people are now unwilling to give. This is the racist sick disgusting degrading ideology that white right wingers espouse and black conservatives cosign.

How many fucking times to I have to hear "see that's the difference between a black person and a nigga". This is the 2006 coon. The degraders of our people the perpetrators of self hate. These sick fucks are doing the whitemans job for them. They are convincing a whole generation of poor people that they ain't shit.

It was above your head. I'll give you a few more years to catch up.

-VG

 

[TheGunslinger]

Drowning and poverty are as different as breathing and betting. Preventing drowning and poverty involve totally different mechanisms. Either you can, or can't swim. That is not the case with decisions you make in your life. But you don't see it that way. Your thought pattern is far more insidious than anything a bigot espouses. The bigot says "I don't like you and will try to keep you down". Your thought pattern rots the will of others from within by promoting helplessnsess and excuses instead of ambition and perservence. In other words, you say "you are a failure because of something you can't do anything about, so don't try". Your thought pattern would have kept MLK and others from striving, while mine would be " so what they don't like us?, we must move regardless of wht stands in our way." Frederick Douglass did not ask for white people to give him something to say, he spoke REGARDLESS of what they thought. His will said "no struggle no progress", not "no handouts, no progress".

Also, I get my poverty statistics from the 2000 census, and exptrapolations from other censuses. Where do you get yours from? Because under your assertion, there should be a constant rise of the percentage of black people in poverty, and I have not seen anything reported to that effect.

Also, do ALL white people owe you something ? what about those who came through Ellis Island and never traded in racist industrialism ? If they do owe you, how much ? And sisnce I pay taxes, and I am black, how much do I owe? for I must owe if I am paying.

That is exactly the type of "logic" right wing radio is based on.

It is like this, if I beat up a man and steal his money and home, he has a certain amount of "time" to fight back for it, after that "time" runs out his posesions become "legitiomately" mine (I wone them by beating him up and sucsesfully resisting his attemts to fight back) and if he dares to complain I can tell him to go work hard and buy another home as now I owe him nothing - i.e. the statute of limitations has run out on the "slavery and oppression" excuse for black american problems.

 

[VegasGuy]

That is exactly the type of "logic" right wing radio is based on.

It is like this, if I beat up a man and steal his money and home, he has a certain amount of "time" to fight back for it, after that "time" runs out his posesions become "legitiomately" mine (I wone them by beating him up and sucsesfully resisting his attemts to fight back) and if he dares to complain I can tell him to go work hard and buy another home as now I owe him nothing - i.e. the statute of limitations has run out on the "slavery and oppression" excuse for black american problems.

Yeah, victim status works. Just doesn't pay as well.

-VG

 

[Temujin]

Drowning and poverty are as different as breathing and betting. Preventing drowning and poverty involve totally different mechanisms. Either you can, or can't swim. That is not the case with decisions you make in your life. But you don't see it that way. Your thought pattern is far more insidious than anything a bigot espouses. The bigot says "I don't like you and will try to keep you down". Your thought pattern rots the will of others from within by promoting helplessnsess and excuses instead of ambition and perservence. In other words, you say "you are a failure because of something you can't do anything about, so don't try". Your thought pattern would have kept MLK and others from striving, while mine would be " so what they don't like us?, we must move regardless of wht stands in our way." Frederick Douglass did not ask for white people to give him something to say, he spoke REGARDLESS of what they thought. His will said "no struggle no progress", not "no handouts, no progress".

Also, I get my poverty statistics from the 2000 census, and exptrapolations from other censuses. Where do you get yours from? Because under your assertion, there should be a constant rise of the percentage of black people in poverty, and I have not seen anything reported to that effect.

Also, do ALL white people owe you something ? what about those who came through Ellis Island and never traded in racist industrialism ? If they do owe you, how much ? And sisnce I pay taxes, and I am black, how much do I owe? for I must owe if I am paying.

You obviously have no idea what poverty is like or being poor is like. Being poor is like drowning. When you are fighting to keep your lights on fighting to keep food in the frig fighting to buy clothes for your children your only thoughts are on the necesities of life that day. You can't think of the future or tommorow because you are hungry today. Bill Cosby telling you to go read a book or stop talking black does not put food on your table.

It is very sad that you think so poorly of your people. You honestly think black people want to be poor and want to be wards of the state. Because that is what your saying. You are saying that by helping the poor that liberals are enabling their poor behaviour. That is another illustration of the racism in that ideology. You think your people don't want money. Come on. Poor people don't know how to succeed in this society it is not that they don't want to suceed.

I can't believe you had the nerve to bring up MLK to protect your conservative ideology. MLK was all about changing the system not accepting the system like a tom and telling people you got to be better slaves. MLK marched on washington I guess you don't remeber that. He was struggling against the system. Didn't your right wing radio homeboy say MLK was irrelevant 2006 basically that if he was alive we wouldn't need him. Give me a break If malcolm and martin were around all the conservative coons would be running and hiding.

As far as poverty statistics if you really did look at the census statists and if you could understand them http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/race/black/ppl-164/tab16.pdf

you would see that 30% of black people under the age of 18 where considered in poverty. 22% of the black population as a whole is under the poverty level. So how can 9 out of 10 people escape poverty yet the adult poverty rate is only 8% less than the child poverty rate. If 9 out 10 people escaped poverty it would take 2 years and we would not have a poverty problem. It is clear to most people that have taken a serious look at the subject that most people who are poor stay poor. And a lot of people who aren't poor become poor.

And one last thing. How does your self empowerment campaign work for the children. How does it help children who's parents are poor who you will not give aid too. Children that are too young to work and must depend on their poor parents for guidance and education. I guess they are suppose to pull themselve up by their bootstraps too. Since you don't support having leaders and parents should be roll models what can a poor parent teach a child but how to be poor. If their is no outside help these poor children become poor adults with poor education and poor habits with a poor future.

 

[Temujin]

That is exactly the type of "logic" right wing radio is based on.

It is like this, if I beat up a man and steal his money and home, he has a certain amount of "time" to fight back for it, after that "time" runs out his posesions become "legitiomately" mine (I wone them by beating him up and sucsesfully resisting his attemts to fight back) and if he dares to complain I can tell him to go work hard and buy another home as now I owe him nothing - i.e. the statute of limitations has run out on the "slavery and oppression" excuse for black american problems.

Exatly I have no earthly idea how fighting for what is mine and what is owed to my people is somehow making an excuse. They need to tell the enron employees who lost their pension "stop making excuses pull yourselves up by your bootstraps."

I also wonder why you never hear this type of bullshit in the jewish community. You don't have Jews talking about anti-semitism doesn't exist and we don't need a Jewish Defense League anymore. The Jews are way better off than us but they still feel oppressed. The JDL doesn't stop jews from suceeding they look at their fight against oppression as empowering we look at it as an excuse. It makes no sense.

 

[Fuckallyall]

You obviously have no idea what poverty is like or being poor is like. Being poor is like drowning. When you are fighting to keep your lights on fighting to keep food in the frig fighting to buy clothes for your children your only thoughts are on the necesities of life that day. You can't think of the future or tommorow because you are hungry today. Bill Cosby telling you to go read a book or stop talking black does not put food on your table.

It is very sad that you think so poorly of your people. You honestly think black people want to be poor and want to be wards of the state. Because that is what your saying. You are saying that by helping the poor that liberals are enabling their poor behaviour. That is another illustration of the racism in that ideology. You think your people don't want money. Come on. Poor people don't know how to succeed in this society it is not that they don't want to suceed.

I can't believe you had the nerve to bring up MLK to protect your conservative ideology. MLK was all about changing the system not accepting the system like a tom and telling people you got to be better slaves. MLK marched on washington I guess you don't remeber that. He was struggling against the system. Didn't your right wing radio homeboy say MLK was irrelevant 2006 basically that if he was alive we wouldn't need him. Give me a break If malcolm and martin were around all the conservative coons would be running and hiding.

As far as poverty statistics if you really did look at the census statists and if you could understand them http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/race/black/ppl-164/tab16.pdf

you would see that 30% of black people under the age of 18 where considered in poverty. 22% of the black population as a whole is under the poverty level. So how can 9 out of 10 people escape poverty yet the adult poverty rate is only 8% less than the child poverty rate. If 9 out 10 people escaped poverty it would take 2 years and we would not have a poverty problem. It is clear to most people that have taken a serious look at the subject that most people who are poor stay poor. And a lot of people who aren't poor become poor.

And one last thing. How does your self empowerment campaign work for the children. How does it help children who's parents are poor who you will not give aid too. Children that are too young to work and must depend on their poor parents for guidance and education. I guess they are suppose to pull themselve up by their bootstraps too. Since you don't support having leaders and parents should be roll models what can a poor parent teach a child but how to be poor. If their is no outside help these poor children become poor adults with poor education and poor habits with a poor future.

Yes, MLK did march to change the system. He wanted the system to stop oppresing people, NOT FOR A HANDOUT. And who the hell are you to tell me who I can and cannot bring up, especially considering the fact that you concentrate on the propblem, and not the solution.

Now, as usual, you are wrong. I WAS one of those kids in poverty. I grew up in Bushwick projects, Brooklyn NY during the 70's & 80's. One of the pictures Jimmy Carter took in his famous anti-poverty campaign was a couple of block from where I went to middle school. I've seen shit that the wankstersmake records about. I've lived it. I have seen how the government run welfare system and public school system have routinely failed black people way more often than they have helped anyone. And when you hear about people it has helped, they invariably piont out a person who cared, not a check written. I saw the corroding effect being a ward of a city has on ones outlook on life. I saw how self righteous folks like you look to control, not liberate, others. I saw how little this society cared about me and mine. I realized that since society has very little concern for my success or failure. So I said let me go for mine. Let me help others. let me make a difference. I realized that it made no sense to ask those who don't care in the first place for help. I listened to the ballot or the bullet, and Malcolm said that the black man looking for the white man to help them is like the mouse going to the cat for affection. That shit did it for me. And yhou know what, I'm not in poverty anymore. I am free to help in a way that I and those I help, find agreeable. However, I am constanty frustrated bay people like you who think they know what to do with my resouces better than I do. Those like you who think that charity can be forced. Those like you who think that there is such a thing as benevolent tyranny. But I will fight the power. Because I, unlike you, do not want to change who the oppressor is, but want to get rid of all oppression. And by the way, those in poverty do not have a right to my money. I have a right to give it to them when I wish and how I wish. That is not being cold blooded, but being free.

And under your logic, there should be MORE people in poverty, not less. According to the same census website you linked, that is simply not the case.

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/histpov/hstpov14.html

Actually, this shows that the war on poverty has been a bust for black people. But you want more money from more people to "solve" the problem. Typical.

Also, you sterotypical liberals do not listen. I have often said that I do not agree with many of the things that "right wing radio' hosts say. Many of them are social engineers, just like you. They want to control other people, just like you. I do not want to mandate control of others, unlike you. I wish to maximize liberty, not be the new Klansman, like you. And that is exactly what you are being by wanting to take from people because of thier skin color. Especially since those who did us wrong are dead, and those who they did wrong are dead. And many of the wrongs done us were legal at the time. And the constitution thankfully does not allow for post hoc lawmaking (which means that something cannot be made illegal after it happens, it must have been illegal at the time of occurance).
However, there are folks who we should go after, such as the banks that discriminate against prospective lenders because of race. We a=have and are doing that.

So please stop stop with the "you obviously cannot uderstand me since you disagree with me" argument. It is as hollow as the belief that you can tax your way out of a problem.

 

[Fuckallyall]

That is exactly the type of "logic" right wing radio is based on.

It is like this, if I beat up a man and steal his money and home, he has a certain amount of "time" to fight back for it, after that "time" runs out his posesions become "legitiomately" mine (I wone them by beating him up and sucsesfully resisting his attemts to fight back) and if he dares to complain I can tell him to go work hard and buy another home as now I owe him nothing - i.e. the statute of limitations has run out on the "slavery and oppression" excuse for black american problems.

And like I said to Temujin, those people who did that to us are dead, and thier companies do not exist anymore. And, what sense does it make to go to those who do not care about you and expect help ?

Make your money, overcome obstacles, and help your fellow man. Stop the bullshit. Anbd don't give me that bullshit about they won't let you. Manyu of us have done fine.

 

[TheGunslinger]

And like I said to Temujin, those people who did that to us are dead, and thier companies do not exist anymore. And, what sense does it make to go to those who do not care about you and expect help ?

Make your money, overcome obstacles, and help your fellow man. Stop the bullshit. Anbd don't give me that bullshit about they won't let you. Manyu of us have done fine.

The slaves are dead, the slave owners are dead, but the wealth created during that helacious time lives on in the hands of many white people living today.

White people's wealth did not come out of thin air and it did not come from their hard work. It came from slave money invested then re invested then passed down from father to son to son to son to son to son and here we are in 2006. What did the slaves/freed blacks have to pass down?

 

[Fuckallyall]

The slaves are dead, the slave owners are dead, but the wealth created during that helacious time lives on in the hands of many white people living today.

White people's wealth did not come out of thin air and it did not come from their hard work. It came from slave money invested then re invested then passed down from father to son to son to son to son to son and here we are in 2006. What did the slaves/freed blacks have to pass down?

Not true. Most white people were not in this contry during slave times, and most that were here were just as poor as black people. Case in point: Abraham Lincoln's parents were Indentured Servants. That meant they were the property of the bondholder for a certain period of time. That is why Lincoln despised slavery. Most whites in this country were poor until the 50's. That is when the concept of the middle class American was born. Until then, there was a huge gulf between those with money and those with no money. While a great amount of money was generated during slavery, most of it has diffused right back into the mainstream of America. Case in point, Barclays Bank of New York. It was started by two brothers for the express purpose of financing middle passage costs of ships selling thier slaves in New York. OF course, they branched out into other areas of banking. They became Barclays Bank of New York, then they were absorbed by the Bank of New York, which was then absorbed by Bank of America. How does the Bank of America owe me when the money earned 200 years has surely come and gone? And is the Bank of America liable for something a subsidiary of a subsidiary did long before they were a business ?

To make it plain, the vast majority ofd white people in this country had no hand in the slave trade, nor in the Jim Crow laws that stripped us of the ability to capitalize off of reconstruction. It was the laws passed by THE GOVERNMENT that did that damage. It is the same government that those of your ilk want to use to make you the grand mechanic.

 

[TheGunslinger]

Not true. Most white people were not in this contry during slave times, and most that were here were just as poor as black people. Case in point: Abraham Lincoln's parents were Indentured Servants. That meant they were the property of the bondholder for a certain period of time. That is why Lincoln despised slavery. Most whites in this country were poor until the 50's. That is when the concept of the middle class American was born. Until then, there was a huge gulf between those with money and those with no money. While a great amount of money was generated during slavery, most of it has diffused right back into the mainstream of America. Case in point, Barclays Bank of New York. It was started by two brothers for the express purpose of financing middle passage costs of ships selling thier slaves in New York. OF course, they branched out into other areas of banking. They became Barclays Bank of New York, then they were absorbed by the Bank of New York, which was then absorbed by Bank of America. How does the Bank of America owe me when the money earned 200 years has surely come and gone? And is the Bank of America liable for something a subsidiary of a subsidiary did long before they were a business ?

To make it plain, the vast majority ofd white people in this country had no hand in the slave trade, nor in the Jim Crow laws that stripped us of the ability to capitalize off of reconstruction. It was the laws passed by THE GOVERNMENT that did that damage. It is the same government that those of your ilk want to use to make you the grand mechanic.

Once the racist discriminatory super structure was put in place it is a fact that whites where considered to be superior to blacks and hence were given 99% of the oportunities to educate and attain wealth and own land. Most of the wealth built during salvery was strategicaly placed in the hands of whites by whites. It is not our fault that even when well educated we are last hired and first fired

You would only have an argument if blacks were alowed (by whites) to own land and white slaves use them to work the land (for free) and to sell the crops then pass the money and white slaves down to their kids who they could also educate and so on.

 

[Black_Immortal]

Think of talk radio the same way you think of professional wrestling: It is there to ENTERTAIN the audience. Any informed, rational discussion in talk radio is about as likely as a match between two pro wrestlers turning into a REAL athletic competition.

 

[Fuckallyall]

Once the racist discriminatory super structure was put in place it is a fact that whites where considered to be superior to blacks and hence were given 99% of the oportunities to educate and attain wealth and own land.

Really. Then how come most homesteaders failed, there were tremedously racist gangs in the big cities against the recent immigrants. (Gangs of New York was based on a true story). Also, the land denial policies came about well after slavery. Most believed it really started gaining steam with the failure of the Freedman's bank in 1891. Shit, the US did not start really industrializing until damn near 1900. Many Jim Crow lasw came about in the 1900's, not 1800's.

Most of the wealth built during salvery was strategicaly placed in the hands of whites by whites.

Prove it.

It is not our fault that even when well educated we are last hired and first fired

Prove that we are last hired first fired. Especially given the fact that most of the manufacturing jobs that have been lost in America were filled by whites. Also, the downsizing of many companies affect whites as much as blacks.

 

[TheGunslinger]

Really. Then how come most homesteaders failed, there were tremedously racist gangs in the big cities against the recent immigrants. (Gangs of New York was based on a true story). Also, the land denial policies came about well after slavery. Most believed it really started gaining steam with the failure of the Freedman's bank in 1891. Shit, the US did not start really industrializing until damn near 1900. Many Jim Crow lasw came about in the 1900's, not 1800's.

Prove it.

RESPONCE--- Yes whites faught amoungst themselves but they all knew that a black man was always below even the lowest white man. reguardress of how the white class system set it self up the negro was always at the bottom.


Prove that we are last hired first fired. Especially given the fact that most of the manufacturing jobs that have been lost in America were filled by whites. Also, the downsizing of many companies affect whites as much as blacks.

RESPONCE--- Um we are actualy the least hired hence the need for Affirmative Action. Once hired we are often at the bottom of the value food chain at the work place and are promoted slower if at all and are often payed less.

There is no logical way you can argue that once freed, blacks in america were alowed to compete with whites for the wealth owned by whites built up on the backs of black slaves.

Yes they freed the slaves but no they did not pay them what they owed thyem after 400 years of free labor and no benefits.

If we saty peacefull and work for hwitey it will take us 1000000 times as long to gain wealth as it took them to enslave us and get rich off free labor.

 

[Fuckallyall]

There is no logical way you can argue that once freed, blacks in america were alowed to compete with whites for the wealth owned by whites built up on the backs of black slaves.

Yes they freed the slaves but no they did not pay them what they owed thyem after 400 years of free labor and no benefits.

If we saty peacefull and work for hwitey it will take us 1000000 times as long to gain wealth as it took them to enslave us and get rich off free labor.

First off, you "work for whitey" now. Second, you did not offer proof. I already have your opinion. Third, you did not address anything I said from two posts ago.

Fourth, how foolish can you be to expect that those who jerked you (who don't exist) are going to give you anything when they didn't care about you in the first place?

Plain and simple, you and your ilk just want to stay in the problem. Have fun there, but don't use me as part of your crusade.

 

[TheGunslinger]

First off, you "work for whitey" now. Second, you did not offer proof. I already have your opinion. Third, you did not address anything I said from two posts ago.

Fourth, how foolish can you be to expect that those who jerked you (who don't exist) are going to give you anything when they didn't care about you in the first place?

Plain and simple, you and your ilk just want to stay in the problem. Have fun there, but don't use me as part of your crusade.

So are we devided so shall we be conquered, again. Good luck in the battle ahead.