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Hypocrisy of Saddam's trial

If they had taken Adolf Hitler alive in 1945, they would certainly have put him on trial. But what if they had ignored Hitler's responsibility for starting the Second World War and his murder of six million Jews, and simply put him on trial for torturing and executing a couple of hundred people whom he suspected of involvement in the July 1944 plot to kill him? You would find that bizarre, would you not?

Well, Saddam Hussein's trial started on Wednesday, and that is the sort of charge that the Iraqi government and its American supervisors have chosen. The former Iraqi dictator is not being tried for invading Iran in 1980 and causing hundreds of thousands of deaths, nor for using poison gas on Iranian troops and on rebellious Kurds in Iraq itself (notably at Halabja in 1988, when at least 5,000 Iraqi Kurd civilians died), nor for invading Kuwait in 1990, nor for slaughtering tens of thousands of Iraqi Shias in the course of putting down the revolt that followed his defeat in that war.

He is only being tried for the deaths of 143 people from the mainly Shia town of Dujail, north of Baghdad, after an assassination attempt against him during a visit to that town in July, 1982. It is a very peculiar choice, and the explanation offered by one of the five judges on the Iraqi Special Tribunal -"The Dujail case is the easiest to put together as far as evidence-gathering and preparation is concerned, (because) there are documents that have been seized and verified concerning the case"-doesn't hold water.

The United States seized ALL the documents concerning ALL of Saddam's abuses during its invasion of Iraq two and a half years ago. It also has at least half of Saddam's former senior ministers and generals in its prisons, and could easily find many who would give evidence against him in return for clemency for themselves. If Washington wanted to see Saddam tried for his truly monstrous crimes, then that would happen. But it probably won't.

The real problem is that the United States was closely allied to Saddam Hussein when he was committing the worst atrocities against the Iranians and the Kurds. The Reagan administration saw the revolutionary regime of Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran as a far greater threat to US interests, and when Saddam's war against Iran started going badly it stepped in to save him.


It was US intelligence photos from spy satellites and AWACS reconnaissance aircraft that provided the raw information about Iranian positions, and US Air Force photo interpreters seconded to Baghdad who drew Saddam the detailed maps of Iranian trenches that let him drench them in poison gas. It was the Reagan administration that stopped Congress from condemning Saddam's use of poison gas, and that encouraged American firms and NATO allies to sell him the appropriate chemical feedstocks plus a wide variety of other weapons.

It was the US State Department that tried to protect Saddam when he gassed his own Kurdish citizens in Halabja in 1988, spreading stories (which it knew to be false) that Iranian planes had dropped the gas. It was the US that finally saved Saddam's regime by providing escorts for tankers carrying oil from Arab Gulf states while Iraqi planes were left free to attack tankers coming from Iranian ports. Even when one of Saddam's planes mistakenly attacked an American destroyer in 1987, killing 37 crew-members, Washington forgave him. So the US doesn't want any of Saddam's crimes that are connected with the Iran war to come up in his trial.

His invasion of Kuwait in 1990 is equally problematic, because it was Washington that urged Iraq's Shias and Kurds to rebel after Saddam lost that war-and the subsequent massacres happened because George HW Bush, father of the current President, would not commit US troops to stop them.

Dujail, on the other hand, raises no awkward questions, so Saddam will be tried on that charge first. It is unlikely that he will ever face other charges, for the death penalty was reintroduced in Iraq last year- the first prisoners were executed just last month-and once Saddam has been condemned to death for the Dujail killings he will not live long. The new law allows him only one appeal, and after that he must be hanged within 30 days.

There are other problems with Saddam's trial. The judges' identity is secret, Iraq's current US-backed President has already declared him guilty, and his defence lawyers have had little time to study the evidence against him. (Saddam's lawyers will doubtless request an adjournment, but they will probably be granted only 15 days.) But the real flaw is that the charge has been framed to avoid any discussion of the US government's share of the responsibility for his atrocities.

Saddam could easily be convicted on the Dujail charge, exhaust his appeals, and be hanged before the end of the year. Iraq's Shias and Kurds will celebrate his death, but its Sunni Arabs-and a great many people elsewhere in the Arab world-will see him as a martyr to the Arab nationalist cause. He is nothing of the sort, but the hypocrisy of this trial is revolting.
 
And while all of this trial shit is going on, there is probably some new law being put into effect without the general public's knowledge.
 
Hung Lo said:
And while all of this trial shit is going on, there is probably some new law being put into effect without the general public's knowledge.
What laws go into effect without the general public's knowledge ??? Moreover, what law do you know has gone into affect without the general public's knowledge ???

QueEx
 
QueEx said:
What laws go into effect without the general public's knowledge ??? Moreover, what law do you know has gone into affect without the general public's knowledge ???

QueEx

Come on QueEx? You can't be serious right?
Bush signs parts of Patriot Act II into law — stealthily


O n December 13, when U.S. forces captured Saddam Hussein, President George W. Bush not only celebrated with his national security team, but also pulled out his pen and signed into law a bill that grants the FBI sweeping new powers. A White House spokesperson explained the curious timing of the signing - on a Saturday - as "the President signs bills seven days a week." But the last time Bush signed a bill into law on a Saturday happened more than a year ago - on a spending bill that the President needed to sign, to prevent shutting down the federal government the following Monday.


By signing the bill on the day of Hussein's capture, Bush effectively consigned a dramatic expansion of the USA Patriot Act to a mere footnote. Consequently, while most Americans watched as Hussein was probed for head lice, few were aware that the FBI had just obtained the power to probe their financial records, even if the feds don't suspect their involvement in crime or terrorism.



By signing the bill on the day of Hussein's capture, Bush effectively consigned a dramatic expansion of the USA Patriot Act to a mere footnote.

The Bush Administration and its Congressional allies tucked away these new executive powers in the Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2004, a legislative behemoth that funds all the intelligence activities of the federal government. The Act included a simple, yet insidious, redefinition of "financial institution," which previously referred to banks, but now includes stockbrokers, car dealerships, casinos, credit card companies, insurance agencies, jewelers, airlines, the U.S. Post Office, and any other business "whose cash transactions have a high degree of usefulness in criminal, tax, or regulatory matters."


Congress passed the legislation around Thanksgiving. Except for U.S. Representative Charlie Gonzalez, all San Antonio's House members voted for the act. The Senate passed it with a voice vote to avoid individual accountability. While broadening the definition of "financial institution," the Bush administration is ramping up provisions within the 2001 USA Patriot Act, which granted the FBI the authority to obtain client records from banks by merely requesting the records in a "National Security Letter." To get the records, the FBI doesn't have to appear before a judge, nor demonstrate "probable cause" - reason to believe that the targeted client is involved in criminal or terrorist activity. Moreover, the National Security Letters are attached with a gag order, preventing any financial institution from informing its clients that their records have been surrendered to the FBI. If a financial institution breaches the gag order, it faces criminal penalties. And finally, the FBI will no longer be required to report to Congress how often they have used the National Security Letters.


Supporters of expanding the Patriot Act claim that the new law is necessary to prevent future terrorist attacks on the U.S. The FBI needs these new powers to be "expeditious and efficient" in its response to these new threats. Robert Summers, professor of international law and director of the new Center for Terrorism Law at St. Mary's University, explains, "We don't go to war with the terrorists as we went to war with the Germans or the North Vietnamese. If we apply old methods of following the money, we will not be successful. We need to meet them on an even playing field to avoid another disaster."



"It's a problem that some of these riders that are added on may not receive the scrutiny that we would like to see."
— Robert Summers

Opponents of the PATRIOT Act and its expansion claim that safeguards like judicial oversight and the Fourth Amendment, which prohibits unreasonable search and seizure, are essential to prevent abuses of power. "There's a reason these protections were put into place," says Chip Berlet, senior analyst at Political Research Associates, and a historian of U.S. political repression. "It has been shown that if you give [these agencies] this power they will abuse it. For any investigative agency, once you tell them that they must make sure that they protect the country from subversives, it inevitably gets translated into a program to silence dissent."


Opponents claim the FBI already has all the tools to stop crime and terrorism. Moreover, explains Patrick Filyk, an attorney and vice president of the local chapter of the ACLU, "The only thing the act accomplishes is the removal of judicial oversight and the transfer of more power to law enforcements agents."


This broadening of the Patriot Act represents a political victory for the Bush Administration's stealth legislative strategy to increase executive power. Last February, shortly before Bush launched the war on Iraq, the Center for Public Integrity obtained a draft of a comprehensive expansion of the Patriot Act, nicknamed Patriot Act II, written by Attorney General John Ashcroft's staff. Again, the timing was suspicious; it appeared that the Bush Administration was waiting for the start of the Iraq war to introduce Patriot Act II, and then exploit the crisis to ram it through Congress with little public debate.


The leak and ensuing public backlash frustrated the Bush administration's strategy, so Ashcroft and Co. disassembled Patriot Act II, then reassembled its parts into other legislation. By attaching the redefinition of "financial institution" to an Intelligence Authorization Act, the Bush Administration and its Congressional allies avoided public hearings and floor debates for the expansion of the Patriot Act.


Even proponents of this expansion have expressed concern about these legislative tactics. "It's a problem that some of these riders that are added on may not receive the scrutiny that we would like to see," says St. Mary's Professor Robert Summers.


The Bush Administration has yet to answer pivotal questions about its latest constitutional coup: If these new executive powers are necessary to protect United States citizens, then why would the legislation not withstand the test of public debate? If the new act's provisions are in the public interest, why use stealth in ramming them through the legislative process? •


©San Antonio Current 2005


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George Lacy Dec, 29 2003
Regarding "With a Whisper, Not a Bang" - All I have to say is "Hello fascism and totalitarianism - Good-by America". It was a nice experiment while it lasted, now it's over.



Kathleen Thorn Dec, 29 2003
It sickens me the devious crimes against our land that this present administration slips past us and into law, while keeping us occupied with child molestors and kidnapped children on the news. Are we so locked into financial survival that we have no time to see the beast that is taking over our once free land? That is what this administration counts upon. It also sees us as empty headed dolts who like gossip more than the revamping of our laws and principles that have seen us through the past 200 years, but will not see us through the next four. One of our founding fathers, Franklin I believe, said in effect, ' Those who give up liberty for security, deserve what they get', and that is paraphrased. While we watch the terror alerts change color on tv, our basic rights, and liberties are being stolen from us . It is a slieght of hand, much like pick pockets use, only we stand to lose much more than our wallets.We are losing our country.
 
As stated before in my CIA post, this is how they get their money.
 
Hung Lo said:
Come on QueEx? You can't be serious right?
Bush signs parts of Patriot Act II into law — stealthily


O n December 13, when U.S. forces captured Saddam Hussein, President George W. Bush not only celebrated with his national security team, but also pulled out his pen and signed into law a bill that grants the FBI sweeping new powers. A White House spokesperson explained the curious timing of the signing - on a Saturday - as "the President signs bills seven days a week." But the last time Bush signed a bill into law on a Saturday happened more than a year ago - on a spending bill that the President needed to sign, to prevent shutting down the federal government the following Monday.
Bruh, the Patriot Act was DEBATED PUBLICLY in congress. Circumstances of the Act were published in all the major news outlets, whether liberal or conservative, including the right and left wacko outlets. I don't think there is anything in the Act that was not known PRIOR TO ITS ADOPTION BY CONGRESS. Moreover, while we lazy people tend to rely on the media to educate us -- the real duty to educate lies with each of us. So, even if the media didn't publicize the adoption of the Act (which it did - as I said), anyone who doesn't have an inkling of what it is all about is him or herself, derelect. Signing the bill into law was a mere perfunctory act. Hell, Bush pushed the Act, so everyone knew damn well that he would certainly sign it. When he signed it was of no moment.

By signing the bill on the day of Hussein's capture, Bush effectively consigned a dramatic expansion of the USA Patriot Act to a mere footnote.
Please differentiate between a writer's editorial comment and the facts. Whether or not signing the Act on the day of Saddam's capture "cosigned a dramatic expansion of the USA Patriot Act to a mere footnote" is the <u>author's OPINION</u>. By the way, which is more important -- that the Act was enacted .... or that it was signed ???

Believe me, I'm not trying to throw bricks at you -- just trying to bring clarity and realism. Its better to understand that which we think we know.


QueEx
 
QueEx said:
Bruh, the Patriot Act was DEBATED PUBLICLY in congress. Circumstances of the Act were published in all the major news outlets, whether liberal or conservative, including the right and left wacko outlets. I don't think there is anything in the Act that was not known PRIOR TO ITS ADOPTION BY CONGRESS. Moreover, while we lazy people tend to rely on the media to educate us -- the real duty to educate lies with each of us. So, even if the media didn't publicize the adoption of the Act (which it did - as I said), anyone who doesn't have an inkling of what it is all about is him or herself, derelect. Signing the bill into law was a mere perfunctory act. Hell, Bush pushed the Act, so everyone knew damn well that he would certainly sign it. When he signed it was of no moment.


Please differentiate between a writer's editorial comment and the facts. Whether or not signing the Act on the day of Saddam's capture "cosigned a dramatic expansion of the USA Patriot Act to a mere footnote" is the <u>author's OPINION</u>. By the way, which is more important -- that the Act was enacted .... or that it was signed ???

Believe me, I'm not trying to throw bricks at you -- just trying to bring clarity and realism. Its better to understand that which we think we know.


QueEx

The Patriot Act was signed in 2001. Saddam was captured in 2003. There was no big hoopla about the new powers bestowed upon the FBI, ON DECEMBER 13, 2003. This was an expansion of what was done in 2001.
 
I had never read anything from this site until you asked for evidence. I merely found out about this incident through another organization in early 2004(http://www.mcalvany.com/). So I did a search and this was one of the few sites that mentioned anything about George Bush, Saddam, and December 13, 2003.

[FRAME]http://www.sacurrent.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10705756&BRD=2318&PAG=461&dept_id=482778&rfi=6[/FRAME]
 
Hung Lo said:
The Patriot Act was signed in 2001. Saddam was captured in 2003. There was no big hoopla about the new powers bestowed upon the FBI, ON DECEMBER 13, 2003. This was an expansion of what was done in 2001.
You're right -- and I was referring to the "expansion." By the way, a "Secret Law" is one not publicized, not made known to the public -- not only when it is enacted or signed into law -- but even after it is put into force. NO ONE can be charged under a law that he has not been made aware of (whether my actual or constructive notice).

My point here is, what is really important. Is it that a matter is signed into law or that congress enacted it in the first place ??? Arguing that GW secretly signed legislation seems to me (especially when we all knew he not only supported it - but pushed it) is of no moment when congress had the gall to adopt it. What are we really arguing about -- <u>what is contained in the legislation</u> that congress adopted ??? <u>or</u> that it was <u>signed into law by the president</u>. I would suggest to you that it is the CONTENT that is the problem -- the signing is a mere after thought ... the fait accompli.

QueEx
 
QueEx said:
You're right -- and I was referring to the "expansion." By the way, a "Secret Law" is one not publicized, not made known to the public -- not only when it is enacted or signed into law -- but even after it is put into force. NO ONE can be charged under a law that he has not been made aware of (whether my actual or constructive notice).

My point here is, what is really important. Is it that a matter is signed into law or that congress enacted it in the first place ??? Arguing that GW secretly signed legislation seems to me (especially when we all knew he not only supported it - but pushed it) is of no moment when congress had the gall to adopt it. What are we really arguing about -- <u>what is contained in the legislation</u> that congress adopted ??? <u>or</u> that it was <u>signed into law by the president</u>. I would suggest to you that it is the CONTENT that is the problem -- the signing is a mere after thought ... the fait accompli.

QueEx

I never said it was secret. I said that while everyone was focusing on the capture of Saddam, there was a very real deterioration of our civil liberties on the same day, that didn't receive the same attention.

It most definitely is the content contained within that document. It's always the content. Anything that is claimed as a threat to national security, can take away our individual rights. Me personally, I feel no threat to my security from abroad, only from within.


Congressional Record: November 22, 2003 (Extensions)
Page E2399

H.R. 2417, INTELLIGENCE AUTHORIZATION AGREEMENT

______


speech of

HON. MARK UDALL

of colorado

in the house of representatives

Thursday, November 20, 2003

Mr. UDALL of Colorado. Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to H.R.
2417. I voted for this bill earlier this year, but I cannot support it
today.
I have concerns about a provision in the conference report that would
expand financial surveillance authority of our intelligence agencies. I
also had concerns about this provision in the first version of the bill
that passed the House, but I supported the bill then in the hope that
the language would be further clarified in the final conference report.
It has not been.
Whereas currently banks, credit unions, and other financial
institutions are required to provide certain financial data to
authorized intelligence agencies and the Treasury Department, this
legislation would expand the list of institutions to include car
dealers, pawnbrokers, travel agents, casinos, and other businesses.
This expanded definition of "financial institution" may indeed be
necessary for effective counterintelligence, foreign intelligence, and
international operations of the United States. But since this will
represent such a significant expansion of the powers of our
intelligence agencies, I believe it is important that it be clear and
not go further than necessary.
In particular, I am concerned that the language in the conference
report only vaguely limits this expanded definition to financial
information. I understand that report language makes this distinction
more explicit, but that bill conferees objected to including this
clarifying language in the conference report itself. The legislative
intent of this provision is to expand surveillance in the area of
financial--not other--information, but there are no assurances that
this intent will be observed when the legislation is implemented.
Mr. Speaker, this provision in the conference report involves the
privacy rights of Americans--rights that I believe strongly we must
protect even as we work to combat terrorism. Because I'm concerned that
this conference report does not strike the right balance, I am voting
against it today.

____________________


Congressional Record: November 23, 2003 (Extensions)
Page E2423

H.R. 2417, THE FISCAL YEAR 2004 INTELLIGENCE AUTHORIZATION CONFERENCE
REPORT

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speech of

HON. BETTY McCOLLUM

of minnesota

in the house of representatives

Thursday, November 20, 2003

Ms. McCOLLUM. Mr. Speaker, it is with great dismay that I rise to
oppose H.R. 2417, the Fiscal Year 2004 Intelligence Authorization
Report.
The Republican Leadership inserted a controversial provision in the
FY04 Intelligence Authorization Report that will expand the already
far-reaching USA Patriot Act, threatening to further erode our
cherished civil liberties. This provision gives the FBI power to demand
financial and other records, without a judge's approval, from post
offices, real estate agents, car dealers, travel agents, pawnbrokers
and many other businesses. This provision was included with little or
no public debate, including no consideration by the House Judiciary
Committee, which is the committee of jurisdiction. It came as a
surprise to most Members of this body.
It is of great concern that the Republican Leadership, along with the
Administration and Attorney General Ashcroft, would seek to include
such a non-germane, controversial provision into what should otherwise
be a nonpartisan bill. Furthermore, the Republican Leadership, in the
Senate defeated an attempt to "sunset" this provision when they
considered it. It is clear the Republican Leadership and the
Administration would rather expand on the USA Patriot Act through
deception and secrecy than debate such provisions in an open forum. The
freedoms and civil liberties of the American people are too important
to allow such an irresponsible, abusive power play by the Majority.
The importance of our intelligence community has grown significantly
in the wake of the September 11th terrorist attacks and the subsequent,
continuing campaign against terrorism. The FY04 Intelligence
Authorization Report includes a number of positive, beneficial
provisions designed to improve our counterintelligence capabilities,
strengthen our ability to share information between the federal
government, local and state officials, and provide for our intelligence
officers and their families. It is unfortunate that such a
controversial provision had to be included.

____________________


Congressional Record: November 23, 2003 (Extensions)
Page E2428-E2429



CONFERENCE REPORT ON H.R. 2417, INTELLIGENCE AUTHORIZATION ACT FOR
FISCAL YEAR 2004

______


speech of

HON. RON PAUL

of texas

in the house of representatives

Thursday, November 20, 2003

Mr. PAUL. Mr. Speaker, I rise with great concerns over the
Intelligence Authorization Conference Report. I do not agree that
Members of Congress should vote in favor of an authorization that most
know almost nothing about--including the most basic issue of the level
of funding.
What most concerns me about this conference report, though, is
something that should outrage every single American citizen. I am
referring to the stealth addition of language drastically expanding FBI
powers to secretly and without court order snoop into the business and
financial transactions of American citizens. These expanded internal
police powers will enable the FBI to demand transaction records from
businesses, including auto dealers, travel agents, pawnbrokers and
more, without the approval or knowledge of a judge or grand jury. This
was written into the bill at the 11th hour over the objections of
members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which would normally have
jurisdiction over the FBI. The Judiciary Committee was frozen out of
the process. It appears we are witnessing a stealth enactment of the
enormously unpopular "Patriot II" legislation that was first leaked
several months ago. Perhaps the national outcry when a draft of the
Patriot II act was leaked has led its supporters to enact it one piece
at a time in secret. Whatever the case, this is outrageous and
unacceptable. I urge each of my colleagues to join me in rejecting this
bill and its incredibly dangerous expansion of Federal police powers.
I also have concerns about the rest of the bill. One of the few
things we do know about this final version is that we are authorizing
even more than the president has requested for the intelligence
community. The intelligence budget seems to grow every year, but we
must ask what we are getting for our money. It is notoriously difficult
to assess the successes of our intelligence apparatus, and perhaps it
is unfair that we only hear about its failures and shortcomings.
However, we cannot help but be concerned over several such failures in
recent years. Despite the tens of billions we spend on these myriad
intelligence agencies, it is impossible to ignore the failure of our
federal intelligence community to detect and prevent the September 11
attacks. Additionally, it is becoming increasingly obvious that our
intelligence community failed completely to accurately assess the
nature of the

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Iraqi threat. These are by any measure grave failures, costing us
incalculably in human lives and treasure. Yet from what little we can
know about this bill, the solution is to fund more of the same. I would
hope that we might begin coming up with new approaches to our
intelligence needs, perhaps returning to an emphasis on the proven
value of human intelligence and expanded linguistic capabilities for
our intelligence personnel.
I am also concerned that our scarce resources are again being
squandered pursuing a failed drug war in Colombia, as this bill
continues to fund our disastrous Colombia policy. Billions of dollars
have been spent in Colombia to fight this drug war, yet more drugs than
ever are being produced abroad and shipped into the United States--
including a bumper crop of opium sent by our new allies in Afghanistan.
Evidence in South America suggests that any decrease in Colombian
production of drugs for the US market has only resulted in increased
production in neighboring countries. As I have stated repeatedly, the
solution to the drug problem lies not in attacking the producers abroad
or in creating a militarized police state to go after the consumers at
home, but rather in taking a close look at our seemingly insatiable
desire for these substances. Until that issue is addressed we will
continue wasting billions of dollars in a losing battle.
In conclusion, I strongly urge my colleagues to join me in rejecting
this dangerous and expensive bill.

____________________



Congressional Record: December 9, 2003 (Extensions)
Page E2491



CONFERENCE REPORT ON H.R. 2417, INTELLIGENCE AUTHORIZATION ACT FOR
FISCAL YEAR 2004

______


speech of

HON. DENNIS MOORE

of kansas

in the house of representatives

Thursday, November 20, 2003

Mr. MOORE. Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to one provision of the
conference report before us today, which causes me to vote against the
entire measure.
This legislation authorizes classified amounts in fiscal year 2004
for 14 U.S. intelligence agencies and intelligence-related activities
of the U.S. government--including the CIA and the National Security
Agency, as well as foreign intelligence activities of the Defense
Department, the FBI, the State Department, the Homeland Security
Department, and other agencies. H.R. 2417 covers CIA and general
intelligence operations, including signals intelligence, clandestine
human-intelligence programs and analysis, and covert action
capabilities. It also authorizes covert action programs, research and
development, and projects to improve information dissemination. All of
these are important and vital programs, which I support.
I am voting against this measure today, however, to draw attention to
a provision which I believe should have been the subject of more
rigorous congressional analysis than merely an up-or-down vote as part
of a larger conference agreement. This measure expands the definition
of "financial institution" to provide enhanced authority for
intelligence community collection activities designed to prevent, deter
and disrupt terrorism and espionage directed against the United States
and to enhance foreign intelligence efforts. Banks, credit unions and
other financial institutions currently are required to provide certain
financial data to investigators generally without a court order or
grand jury subpoena. The conference agreement expands the list to
include car dealers, pawnbrokers, travel agents, casinos and other
businesses.
This provision allows the U.S. government to have, through use of
"National Security Letters," greater access to a larger universe of
information that goes beyond traditional financial records, but is
nonetheless crucial in tracking terrorist finances or espionage
activities. Current law permits the FBI to use National Security
Letters to obtain financial records from defined financial institutions
for foreign intelligence investigations. While not subject to court
approval, the letters nonetheless have to be approved by a senior
government official. The PATRIOT Act earlier had altered the standard
for financial records that could be subject to National Security
Letters to include the records of someone "sought for" an
investigation, not merely of the "target" of an investigation.
While this new provision of law included in the conference report
does not amend the PATRIOT Act, I agree with the six Senators who
recently wrote to the Senate Intelligence Committee and asked them not
to move ahead with such a significant expansion of the FBI's
investigatory powers without further review. As they stated, public
hearings, public debate and legislative protocol are essential in
legislation involving the privacy rights of Americans. As a member of
the House Financial Services Committee, I am concerned that these new
provisions of law could be used to seize personal financial records
that traditionally have been protected by financial privacy laws. The
rush to judgment following the attacks of September 11, 2001, led to
the rapid enactment of the PATRIOT Act, a measure which has caused
substantial concerns among many Americans who value our
constitutionally-protected liberties. Now that we are able to legislate
in this area with a lessened sense of urgency, I urge my colleagues to
step back and return this provision of H.R. 2417 to committee, where it
can undergo the rigors of the normal legislative process so that
Congress, and all Americans, can pass an informed judgment upon its
merit.
 
The charges in Saddam's trial are prolly part of a bigger picture if Libby and Rove are indicted for outting a CIA agent all of this could back to haunt Bush, the investigation might spread into whether Bush lied in order to invade if Iraq if so he could be tried under the same rules as Saddam, 150k Iraqis have died in an illegal war which makes Bush guilty of the same crimes as Saddam.
 
nittie said:
The charges in Saddam's trial are prolly part of a bigger picture if Libby and Rove are indicted for outting a CIA agent all of this could back to haunt Bush, the investigation might spread into whether Bush lied in order to invade if Iraq if so he could be tried under the same rules as Saddam, 150k Iraqis have died in an illegal war which makes Bush guilty of the same crimes as Saddam.


HAHHA whats really happening.

Now that the humanoids are throwing up all the apple pie they been sucking down since 9/11 2001, they have come out of the diabetic coma and found some fucked up shit going on.

A war that makes no sense, with reasons of going into it being false.

Somebody lied Or dropped the ball, either way heads should roll.

Starting with these fucks who try to "out" people cause they couldnt get the lies they wanted, going all the way up to bush and cheney.

If these fucks are lying they are just as bad as sodam and should be thrown into an international court so we can save face.

How you gonna have a trial for a man for the same shit you doing. You invaded a country on a lie, and then want to hold criminal trials!?!!??!??

Bush, libby, rove, cheney, rumsfield all should be on trial for treason.

If they went afterr clinton for lying about some head, what is so hard about gettting at these liars?
 
2 More Saddam Trial Lawyers Shot; 1 dead

<font size="5"><center>Gunmen shoot Saddam trial lawyers</font size></center>

08 November 2005 12:56
Gunmen are reported to have opened fire on a car carrying two lawyers for some of Saddam Hussein's co-defendants, killing one and wounding the other.

The attack in Baghdad is the second targeting defence lawyers in the trial of Saddam Hussein and others for crimes against humanity.

On the day the trial started last month, another defence lawyer in the team, Saadoun al-Janabi, was shot dead.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/1108/iraq.html
 
Re: 2 More Saddam Trial Lawyers Shot; 1 dead

Maybe MI-6 this time.
 
<font size="5"><center>Judge loses control as Saddam trial lapses into farce</font size></center>

The Telegraph
By Adrian Blomfield
(Filed: 23/12/2005)

Saddam Hussein's trial descended into farce yesterday, with the former dictator at his most combative, cursing President George W Bush and denouncing his administration as liars.

Accused of being too accommodating of Saddam, the Kurdish judge, Rizgar Amin, lost control of his court on several occasions.

A prosecution lawyer tried to resign while colleagues, the defence team and Saddam's half-brother and co-accused, Barzan al-Tikriti, threatened to boycott the trial.

Three witnesses gave evidence between interruptions but they were reduced almost to a sideshow. Lawyers and defendants nodded off through their chilling but often rambling testimony relating to the massacre of 147 Shia townspeople in Dujail in 1982.

Saddam seemed enraged after the White House dismissed as preposterous his torture claims of the day before. "The White House are liars, the number one liar in the whole world," he said.

"They said Iraq had chemical weapons. They said I had ties to terrorism, but later acknowledged that I did not. A pox on Bush and his father."

He repeated claims that he had been beaten and said he had been examined by three medical teams who had documented his injuries.

"The marks are still there," he said, although he did not display them.

Pictures of Saddam in his underpants published in newspapers this year did not appear to show any injuries.

In a later interjection, Saddam accused his American guards of humiliating him by confiscating his watch.

To derisive laughter from the public gallery, Saddam drew himself up and said: "Let the monkeys laugh in their trees. The lion ignores them."

Earlier, Barzan goaded an assistant prosecutor, accusing him of hypocrisy because he was a fellow Ba'athist.

"This is the biggest insult of my life," replied the prosecutor, before asking the judge to relieve him of his job. Mr Amin, who looked increasingly drawn as the chaos unfolded, dismissed the request.

The final session of the day was conducted in secret at the request of Barzan and Saddam who said that they had something important to confide to the judge.

Saddam and eight others are charged with ordering the killings in Dujail and face the death penalty if convicted.

The trial was adjourned until Jan 24.

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<font size="5"><center>Saddam: I ordered 148 killed </font size>
<font size="4">Former Iraqi leader claims
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By MEGAN K. STACK, Los Angeles Times
First published: Thursday, March 2, 2006

BAGHDAD, Iraq -- A haughty Saddam Hussein informed a courtroom on Wednesday that only he, and not his co-defendants, should be held responsible for the death and destruction that took place under his rule.
The one-time president, who is standing trial for crimes against humanity, said he ordered 148 residents of a Shiite town to stand trial after an assassination attempt in 1982. The people, including children, were tortured and executed.

Saddam delivered the unexpected admission in one of the rambling, impromptu outbursts that have come to characterize the trial. Witnesses were irrelevant and his co-defendants should be released, he told the judge.

"If I hadn't wanted to, I wouldn't have sent them to the revolutionary court. But I did," he said. "And they were charged according to the law, just like you charge people according to the law. ... When the person says he's responsible, why go to others and search? Saddam Hussein was a leader and says, 'I'm responsible.' "

Legal experts say the admission plays into the hands of prosecutors. Saddam's defense team could be hard-pressed to prove he does not bear responsibility for atrocities that happened under his command, analysts said.

"This is the very reason that any criminal defense lawyer doesn't want his client standing up and speaking on his own behalf," said Jonathan Drimmer, a legal expert in war crimes. "The concern is they'll say something like this, which is essentially a damning admission."

Draping himself in the tarnished pride of his bygone autocracy, Saddam questioned the premise of the charges: "Where is the crime?" he demanded.

As president, Saddam explained, he had every right to confiscate land and raze orchards, as he did in Dujail. The destruction of farmlands has been described by the prosecution as collective punishment. Saddam also insisted that the townspeople who were killed had been tried in court.

Witnesses have testified that no trial took place before the massacre of citizens. "The trial for the Dujail was imaginary, and some of the detainees died during interrogation," lead prosecutor Jaafar al-Moussawi said Wednesday.

Saddam's behavior is "classical" for an indicted war criminal, said David Crane, a visiting professor of law at Syracuse University and former chief prosector of the Special Court for Sierra Leone.

He compared Saddam's performance with that of Nazi official Herman Goering during the Nuremberg trial, and more recently with deposed Yugoslav leader Slobodan Milosevic.

"Many of these indictees feel strongly that they were above the law and believe that what they are saying or were doing was not breaking the law," Crane said.

Saddam's outburst came a day after prosecutors laid out a paper trail in an attempt to link the former president to the deaths at Dujail. The documents included written death sentences, a presidential order and paperwork that allegedly shows Saddam approved the secret execution of 10 youths whose ages ranged from 11 to 17.

Saddam also used his day in court Wednesday to ponder aloud the significance of the failed assassination attempt in Dujail. The machine gun fire that struck his car punched through to the last layer but didn't break through, he told the court.

"God wanted to save me," he said.

The trial ran live on several of Iraq's new crop of satellite news channels, and Saddam seized his time in the limelight to offer some advice to the nation he once ruled. With sectarian violence still crackling around the country, the former president made a call for national unity to fight the presence of American and allied troops.
"You know everything that's going on. This is like pouring oil on Iraq," Saddam said. "Our interest demands that the people on top be one hand against the invasion. Then we can agree or disagree."

Outside the courthouse, violence continued to pound the country, killing at least 47 in bombings and shootings. At least 26 people were killed and 70 wounded in a pair of bombings in the Iraqi capital on Wednesday. The attacks followed the deaths of at least 76 people in scattered attacks the day before.

Political officials told The Associated Press that leaders of Sunni, Kurdish and a secular political party decided Wednesday to ask the Shiite alliance to withdraw its nomination of Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari for another term.

The move is expected to draw sharp opposition from radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, whose support enabled al-Jaafari to win the nomination by a single vote in a Feb. 12 caucus of Shiites who won election to the new parliament Dec. 15.

A political battle over al-Jaafari could further complicate efforts to form a national unity government -- a key step in the U.S. plan to begin withdrawing its troops this year. Those efforts have been strained by a wave of sectarian violence triggered by the Feb. 22 bombing of a Shiite shrine.

Al-Jaafari's critics believe the 58-year-old former exile is an obstacle to a unity government.

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<font size="5"><center>Saddam Hussein Sentenced to Death</font size></center>

Washington Post
By John Ward Anderson and Ellen Knickmeyer
Washington Post Foreign Service
Sunday, November 5, 2006; 5:32 AM

BAGHDAD, Nov. 5 -- Former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein was found guilty Sunday of crimes against humanity for the torture and execution of more than 100 people from a small town north of Baghdad 24 years ago. He was sentenced to death by hanging.

Hussein, 69, was led into the courtroom by seven guards and immediately sat in his chair, refusing to rise for his verdict until Chief Judge Raouf Rasheed Abdel-Rahman ordered guards to force him to his feet.

"Long live the people!" Hussein shouted as the verdict began. "Down with the stooges! Down with the invaders! God is great!"

Just before his appearance in court, one of Hussein's co-defendants, Awad Hamed al-Bander, the former head of Iraq's Revolutionary Court, repeatedly bellowed "God is great!" as he, too, was sentenced to death. "On the tyrants, God is great!" he shouted. "On the colonizers, God is great! On the agents, God is great!"

Celebratory gunfire rang out over Baghdad as jubilant Iraqis expressed their happiness with the outrcome by racing to rooftops, front yards and windows to fire into the air. National television showed smiling Iraqis dancing in the streets of some cities around the country.

Hussein was convicted of ordering the killings of 148 men and boys from the town of Dujail, about 35 miles north of Baghdad, following a failed assassination attempt against him there in 1982. Hussein's presidential convoy was passing through the town when it was shot at. In response, he and other top Iraqi officials at the time order the round-up of hundreds of people, and the town's buildings were razed and it's orchards destroyed.

Ten of the people executed were boys ranging in ages from 11 to 17 at the time of the incident. The government held them in jail until they were 18, then hanged them.

The verdict climaxed a 12-month trial, conducted by the Iraqi High Tribunal and backed by the U.S. government, that arose from one of many atrocities Hussein is accused of committing during 24 years of brutal, one-man rule.

It was unclear whether trial and verdict ultimately would act as a catharsis that can help bring reconciliation and peace to this embattled country, or would be a catalyst for further violence and sectarian clashes between Shiites Muslims, who make up about 60 percent of Iraq's population, and Sunni Arabs, who account for about 20 percent.

There were no immediate reports of violence.

Sajjad Abdul Hussein Ali, a Shiite Turcoman in the northern city of Kirkuk who had three brothers executed by Hussein in the early 1980s, called the verdict "the final show, and a triumph for all the families that were victimized by the Saddam regime."

"Reconciliation will not succeed without executing him and putting an end to a dark, dirty period of our modern history, so that this will be a lesson to all dictators and tyrants," he said. "Let them know that killers shall be killed, and tyrants shall be severely punished by God."

In Saddam's home town of Tikrit, a Sunni stronghold 90 miles north of Baghdad on the banks of the Tigris River, architectural engineer Younis Mahmoud, 37, accused the government of staging a show trial for Hussein while ignoring Shiite death squads that are "killing 150 to 200 people at least everyday, and some of their leaders are working as the head of political blocs in the government."

The trial -- often punctuated by outbursts and other antics from Hussein and his seven co-defendants -- was disparaged by some as a political show and victor's vendetta and hailed by others as a historic symbol of Iraq's fledgling democracy. The first chief judge quit, complaining of political interference in the case, and gunmen killed three defense attorneys during the trial. Many legal experts questioned the trial's fairness, saying Iraq's justice system was not equipped to handle such a significant case, and that it should have been held in a third country.

Hussein's defense attorneys warned that a guilty verdict and sentence of death would sparked renewed attacks against U.S. and other collation forces in Iraq and lead to a wider civil war. They also accused the Bush administration and the Shiite-dominated government of Nouria al-Maliki of colluding to scheduled the verdict so it came two days before crucial mid-term elections, hoping to give Bush's Republican Party an electoral boost. Iraqi and U.S. officials have denied the charge.

Hussein and his attorneys argued that whatever actions were taken after the attempt on his life in Dujail were legitimate measures by a government to investigate the attempted assassination of a head of state and punish those responsible.

"Where is the crime?" Saddam asked during one of more than 40 court sessions in the case, acknowledging that he ordered the trials of the 148 people who were executed. "Is referring a defendant who opened fire at a head of state, no matter what his name is, a crime?"

Hussein often was combative and theatrical during the trial, which was aired on Iraqi national television. He frequently stole the show, demanding that he be referred to as the president of Iraq, jabbing his finger in the air while lecturing the prosecutors and judges, staging hunger strikes and occasionally walking out of the courtroom in protest or being ejected for impertinence.

Typically dressed in a white shirt and dark suit, sporting a salt and pepper beard that he grew while on the run and before his capture from a hole in the ground on a farm near Tikrit in December 2003, Hussein still cut a charismatic figure.

The verdict and sentence will automatically be sent to a nine judge appellate panel for appeal. That panel has wide latitude to review the case and call for additional testimony, and it has an unlimited time to rule. But once it does, any sentence must be carried out within 30 days.

Of the seven co-defendents also on trial in the case, six were found guilty: Awad Hamed al-Bander, the former head of Hussein's Revolutionary, and Barzan Ibrahim, Hussein's younger half-brother and former security chief, were sentenced to death. Former Iraqi vice-president Taha Yassin Ramadan was sentenced to life in prison.

Three other defendants, who were relatively low-ranking member of Hussein's Baath Party, were sentenced to prison terms of 15 years. One defendant, Muhammad al-Azzawi, was acquitted, as requested by prosecutors, for insufficient evidence.

Hussein is currently on trial in a second case, charged with genocide and crimes against humanity for the killings of as many as 100,000 Kurds, many with poison gas, in the co-called Anfal campaign in 1987 and 1988. If the appeals panel rules against him and upholds his death sentence in the Dujail, Hussein could be executed before the conclusion of the second trial.

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Que, please elaborate on your earlier statement...

NO ONE can be charged under a law that he has not been made aware of (whether my actual or constructive notice).







Ignorance of the law is no excuse!?
 
I don't understand; what about my statement that needs clarification ???

QueEx
 
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