How was "Space" created before the Universe

[BGLR1212000]

humans have to start believing in the spirit, which will answer more questions than "science" will. Ok, so everything is made up of atoms and subatomic particles. countless questions. i'm telling you, start searching on the spiritual level, and i'm not talking "God" and Jesus, although that may or may not be true...

 

[J.E.T.S]

My head hurts now after ya'll got me thinking how nothing created something. Then dude asked, "What created god?".

I don't see how dieing isn't of anyone concerns. Seeing as how when we die.. we are basically turned into nothing again. Just as it was before we were born for infinity.

Kind of feel as if "life" is just a thought that's thought of. We create thoughts and dreams from nothing.

What I said makes sense to me.

 

[exiledking]

before you can answer that, you have to figure out WHAT is God?

thats easy, GOD is the answer theists give that means= I don't know and I'm to arrogant to admit it. Plus I'm not doing anymore research about it.

 

[BenQ]

My head hurts now after ya'll got me thinking how nothing created something. Then dude asked, "What created god?".

I don't see how dieing isn't of anyone concerns. Seeing as how when we die.. we are basically turned into nothing again. Just as it was before we were born for infinity.

Kind of feel as if "life" is just a thought that's thought of. We create thoughts and dreams from nothing.

What I said makes sense to me.

Your post gave me a headache

 

[Fuzzy_McNut]

You know what's funny....a true real atheiest admits he doesn't know where we come from. He doesn't make the claim that we come from here or there.

But what's funny is that the same atheist that admits that he doesn't know where we come from is the same atheist that dispells the belief that the universe was created by god(s).

In science a theory is not accepted or rejected unless it can be proven to be untrue. It's not far fetched to believe that the universe was created by a higher more intellegent being.


So how can you make the claim you dont know how it was made but tell me how it wasn't made w/out providing proof of how you know it wasn't made that way? The burden of proof lies on you soon as you make the counter claim.

Now if a person was never exposed to the concept of relgion and grew up not believing in god then the burden of proof does not lie on him. Because he isn't making any claim at all.

 

[BGLR1212000]

My head hurts now after ya'll got me thinking how nothing created something. Then dude asked, "What created god?".

I don't see how dieing isn't of anyone concerns. Seeing as how when we die.. we are basically turned into nothing again. Just as it was before we were born for infinity.

Kind of feel as if "life" is just a thought that's thought of. We create thoughts and dreams from nothing.

What I said makes sense to me.

People manifest thoughts all the time. That's why it's important to think positive.

 

[exiledking]

My head hurts now after ya'll got me thinking how nothing created something. Then dude asked, "What created god?".

I don't see how dieing isn't of anyone concerns. Seeing as how when we die.. we are basically turned into nothing again. Just as it was before we were born for infinity.

Kind of feel as if "life" is just a thought that's thought of. We create thoughts and dreams from nothing.

What I said makes sense to me.

that first question is why theists sound silly "debunking" something they've spent no time trying to understand, after giving a lifetime trying to understand something that's obviously made up. The word GOD brings up more questions than it answers.

Dying is only the concern of the living.

the rest of what you said is existential-- but there is a shared, common experience that we all share, whether it's a dream or not. We call that shared idea REALITY. The more we learn about it, the better off we'll be- as far as I'm concerned. I enjoy it.

 

[Fuzzy_McNut]

My head hurts now after ya'll got me thinking how nothing created something. Then dude asked, "What created god?".

I don't see how dieing isn't of anyone concerns. Seeing as how when we die.. we are basically turned into nothing again. Just as it was before we were born for infinity.

Kind of feel as if "life" is just a thought that's thought of. We create thoughts and dreams from nothing.

What I said makes sense to me.

it's more so them rebeling more so then them not believing. You can tell by the questions they ask...they aren't asking for proof of God, they just question god.

Disproving a scripture, or a entire denomiation, or a poorly translated version of the bible (KJV) or disproving a relgion is not proof that god does not exist. Science contradicts itself all the time, but people are quicker to believe what science tells them as long as it agrees with what they think (this also includes me, i'm no different)

 

[peterpiper1978]

i really think that life is some sort of dream state and everyone else that exists (even you bgoler's) in it are just part of my imagination.
you niggas aint really here

 

[Fuzzy_McNut]

If i make the claim "apples come from orange seeds" then the burden of proof lies on me.

But if you make the claim that i'm wrong then the burden of proof now lies on you. You must know something i know to prove me wrong, because if you dont then you shouldn't be talking.

Jumping in a convo and saying someone is lieing when you cant prove that they are lieing is very foolish. this is why i have to qualms with anyone that has another religon and prasies another god. they mostly all believe in a higher power. so who am i to tell them that they are wrong if i dont have evidence to support my claim of them being wrong. You can disagree with a versus especially one that was translated, but the concept of god.........you cant logically dispell that one.

 

[Fuzzy_McNut]

If i make the claim "apples come from orange seeds" then the burden of proof lies on me.

But if you make the claim that i'm wrong then the burden of proof now lies on you. You must know something i know to prove me wrong, because if you dont then you shouldn't be talking.

Jumping in a convo and saying someone is lieing when you cant prove that they are lieing is very foolish. this is why i have to qualms with anyone that has another religon and prasies another god. they mostly all believe in a higher power. so who am i to tell them that they are wrong if i dont have evidence to support my claim of them being wrong. You can disagree with a versus especially one that was translated, but the concept of god.........you cant logically dispell that one.

 

[WattDogs]

Aiight, I'll help you guys out.

First off, stop thinking in 4 dimensions. There's more, especially when it comes to the Big Bang.

Second, think of the moment before the Big Bang as like a black hole, an area where space, matter, energy & time was all condensed into a little ball. This little ball then exploded (for lack of a better word) & time moved forward. As time did that, space began to spread out, creating the 3 dimensions we know so well. Energy moved forward in these dimensions & began to collide with each other & either merge into elements or group together, forming a mass. Over time that's moving forward, everything cooled down (not really, just another lack of a better word) & formed into the planets, galaxies, etc, we know & love.

The big question is where are these other dimensions? That'll probably be resolved once we get the GUT down pat & resolve the quantum & relative universes. Hope this helps.

 

[Pack Rat]

i really think that life is some sort of dream state and everyone else that exists (even you bgoler's) in it are just part of my imagination.
you niggas aint really here

This also my thinking, but, you are in my universe.

 

[exiledking]

You know what's funny....a true real atheiest admits he doesn't know where we come from. He doesn't make the claim that we come from here or there.

But what's funny is that the same atheist that admits that he doesn't know where we come from is the same atheist that dispells the belief that the universe was created by god(s).

Maybe the atheists likes to talk about what he knows and knows that those speaking of Gods are talking about a man made idea- GOd. The proof of that is that people have invented thousands of Gods in our history.

In science a theory is not accepted or rejected unless it can be proven to be untrue. It's not far fetched to believe that the universe was created by a higher more intellegent being.

It is far fetched, and even if it isn't, why not leave it there, instead of positing what sex that being is? what species? It's preferences?

So how can you make the claim you dont know how it was made but tell me how it wasn't made w/out providing proof of how you know it wasn't made that way? The burden of proof lies on you soon as you make the counter claim.

see, this is where you're wrong, and it doesn't apply to atheists, it applies to SCIENTISTS. There is far more proof of a big bang and the following evolution than there would ever be of any individual God, whicvh all theists claim. Belief in Gods, isn't even based on evidence, thats why FAITH is such a requirement, that they even call it a VIRTUE.

Now, there are arguments against these things, but they are far beyond the petty, childish, and non researched arguments I see presented in here. At least spend a millionth of the time studying these ideas, that you have probably spent studying a religious boo that usually separates you and yours from the rest of the inhabitants of this planet, let alone universe.
Now if a person was never exposed to the concept of relgion and grew up not believing in god then the burden of proof does not lie on him. Because he isn't making any claim at all.

 

[BGLR1212000]

Aiight, I'll help you guys out.

First off, stop thinking in 4 dimensions. There's more, especially when it comes to the Big Bang.

Second, think of the moment before the Big Bang as like a black hole, an area where space, matter, energy & time was all condensed into a little ball. This little ball then exploded (for lack of a better word) & time moved forward. As time did that, space began to spread out, creating the 3 dimensions we know so well. Energy moved forward in these dimensions & began to collide with each other & either merge into elements or group together, forming a mass. Over time that's moving forward, everything cooled down (not really, just another lack of a better word) & formed into the planets, galaxies, etc, we know & love.

The big question is where are these other dimensions? That'll probably be resolved once we get the GUT down pat & resolve the quantum & relative universes. Hope this helps.

that explained a lot, but didnt explain shit

 

[Olosi]

Your working concept of "reality" is what keeps you from approaching the "truth" about the concepts known as gravity, time, space, dimensions, and quantum levels (there's more, but we haven't gotten these five figured out yet).

Try this on for size,"What is a thought?" Oh, and stop thinking like humans if you want to learn these answers. Think like a god.

 

[exiledking]

it's more so them rebeling more so then them not believing. You can tell by the questions they ask...they aren't asking for proof of God, they just question god.

Disproving a scripture, or a entire denomiation, or a poorly translated version of the bible (KJV) or disproving a relgion is not proof that god does not exist. Science contradicts itself all the time, but people are quicker to believe what science tells them as long as it agrees with what they think (this also includes me, i'm no different)

rebelling from what?


you sound silly making up someones position for them.

 

[Fuzzy_McNut]

Maybe the atheists likes to talk about what he knows and knows that those speaking of Gods are talking about a man made idea- GOd. The proof of that is that people have invented thousands of Gods in our history.



It is far fetched, and even if it isn't, why not leave it there, instead of positing what sex that being is? what species? It's preferences?



see, this is where you're wrong, and it doesn't apply to atheists, it applies to SCIENTISTS. There is far more proof of a big bang and the following evolution than there would ever be of any individual God, whicvh all theists claim. Belief in Gods, isn't even based on evidence, thats why FAITH is such a requirement, that they even call it a VIRTUE.

Now, there are arguments against these things, but they are far beyond the petty, childish, and non researched arguments I see presented in here. At least spend a millionth of the time studying these ideas, that you have probably spent studying a religious boo that usually separates you and yours from the rest of the inhabitants of this planet, let alone universe.
Now if a person was never exposed to the concept of relgion and grew up not believing in god then the burden of proof does not lie on him. Because he isn't making any claim at all.

i have no problem with an atheist speaking of what he knows. but when he claims to "know" god doesn't exist then surely there is a reason he holds on to that belief. And i have never heard a logical response on why atheist hold on to the belief that god didn't create the universe. yes there are tons of gods, which furthers my point. If you haven't dispelled all of them and read them all, how do you logically come to the conclusion and eliminate the concept of god?

It is illogical to be introduced to a concept (be it relgion, god or anything else) and write it off as fake w/out provoding proof of your counter claim.

Now if an atheist claims he dosn't know if god exists or not has no burden of proof.

After you have been introduced to a concept, what you think of it good, bad, negative, fake real....it is now a belief.

And the burden of proof does lie on the believer, but if there are two believers making two seperate claims then they both share the burden.

 

[da_monumental_1]

For the 1 millionth, 256 thousand, 183rd time, Big Bang cosmology has nothing to do with the beginning of the universe. It was a jibe by Fred Hoyle directed towards Georges Lemaître. The Big Bang insult stuck and it makes for an easier name instead of calling it the Lambda-Cold Dark Matter model or LCDM for short.

Big Bang cosmology deals with the rapid expansion and cooling of the universe. IT DOES NOT SAY THE UNIVERSE HAS A BEGINNING!!!

The argument between Hoyle and Lemaître centered around whether the universe was at a steady state (the old theory of the universe being the same "size" and temperature always being near absolute zero) vs. rapid expansion and cooling (to Planck time when the universe was infinitely hot and infinitely dense in a singularity).

Imagine a family of four standing in their living room. At the beginning, they, the living room, and all objects in it were all at the same point and their proximity to each other caused a lot of heat. Without any of the members or objects moving, the floor started to stretch. Over time, they became farther apart, and since they weren't close to each other as before, the heat generated by their bodies and furniture diminished and the distance between them increased exponentially.

That's a very simple explanation of Big Bang cosmology.

 

[Pack Rat]

There is much discussion between cosmologists regarding a multiverse, to me it is not just a theory but a certainty.
The big bang is no longer considered a theory as the observable universe is measurably expanding away from a central point, and the expansion appears to be quickening; the timing of the original arrival of all matter is generally agreed to be 11.5 to 13 billion years ago. However, there are a number of issues that have still not been explained in cosmology or hard physics, and they are the missing 90% of matter, often called dark matter because it can be measured but not seen, and at least one natural force of nature, often explained as dark energy.
That all matter appeared at the same time suggests to me that of the three things the universe is certainly comprised of - matter, time and space - only matter is worthy of mention as time and space cannot be measured against anything but matter. Carrying this simple and obvious truism further, one may assume that matter created its own space and its evolution is what we refer to as time.
Assuming these reasonable observations one must wonder where all this matter came from, clearly it had to be another universe, perhaps a universe where black holes - singularities - consume matter and thrust it into new universes where any number of material laws probably abide, some would be similar to ours and some wouldn't be. What is certain is that the concept of the infinite must apply because it is the only constant. With infinity as a constant a multiverse is assured.

 

[cb71109]

i really think that life is some sort of dream state and everyone else that exists (even you bgoler's) in it are just part of my imagination.
you niggas aint really here

I started to think the same thing a couple of years ago. Also why does a unconscious mind (in a relax state) dreams? For instance, if your sleep your actually unconsscious in a semi coma. What causes your brain to function in such a way that your having a actual mini movie. Unless our lives is just one big illusion.

 

[Fuzzy_McNut]

see, this is where you're wrong, and it doesn't apply to atheists, it applies to SCIENTISTS. There is far more proof of a big bang and the following evolution than there would ever be of any individual God, whicvh all theists claim. Belief in Gods, isn't even based on evidence, thats why FAITH is such a requirement, that they even call it a VIRTUE.

Now, there are arguments against these things, but they are far beyond the petty, childish, and non researched arguments I see presented in here. At least spend a millionth of the time studying these ideas, that you have probably spent studying a religious boo that usually separates you and yours from the rest of the inhabitants of this planet, let alone universe.
Now if a person was never exposed to the concept of relgion and grew up not believing in god then the burden of proof does not lie on him. Because he isn't making any claim at all.

evoulution is a pagan relgion come on bruh

Now if you dont believe that, then guess who the burden of proof now lies on

But anyways it applies to everyone not just scientist. Me as a christian, you as an atheist. This is not some shit sciecne just created...there is a reason science doesn't doens't dispell a theory unless it's proven to be true or untrue.

It's because science uses logic. And we all have to use it, that's logic 101. Just as science can't make the claim that "fuzzy isn't a pyschic" w/out disproving. That would be foolish.

Just as it would be foolish for you to claim that you dont anything computers, but someone that claims to know shit about computers informs you that you have a virus. Who are you to tell them that you dont if you dont know and you admit you dont know? If you dont have knowledge that contradicts the person making the claim you should shut your dam mouth. Scientist have understood this, but some athiest haven't grasped this. Also some christians haven't either. But if you dont know and can't prove or disprove it, then you are in no position to make a counter claim.

 

[peterpiper1978]

I started to think the same thing a couple of years ago. Also why does a unconscious mind (in a relax state) dreams? For instance, if your sleep your actually unconsscious in a semi coma. What causes your brain to function in such a way that your having a actual mini movie. Unless our lives is just one big illusion.

exactly, the mind doesnt stop for rest, just our physical body

 

[Fuzzy_McNut]

counter claims are reserved for those that have knowledge about the org. claim. If an athiest doesn't believe in god.....the burden doesn't rely on him. but if he makes the counter claim that god does not exist then yes the burden does lie on you as well.

 

[exiledking]

i have no problem with an atheist speaking of what he knows. but when he claims to "know" god doesn't exist then surely there is a reason he holds on to that belief. And i have never heard a logical response on why atheist hold on to the belief that god didn't create the universe. yes there are tons of gods, which furthers my point. If you haven't dispelled all of them and read them all, how do you logically come to the conclusion and eliminate the concept of god?

It is illogical to be introduced to a concept (be it relgion, god or anything else) and write it off as fake w/out provoding proof of your counter claim.

Now if an atheist claims he dosn't know if god exists or not has no burden of proof.

After you have been introduced to a concept, what you think of it good, bad, negative, fake real....it is now a belief.

And the burden of proof does lie on the believer, but if there are two believers making two seperate claims then they both share the burden.

you sound silly. Theres no sweet way to say that.

Here it is

THEIST: Unless he is just a very in general, speaking of a "beginning", all encompassing energy, he has a specific idea of what he thinks GOD is. He has prove that,

It's very easy to prove that there is no God who thinks of morality anywhere like Men would think of it, because there is suffering in the world that Most men would fix if they could. NO book or religion has ben able to define God in a way that stays consisitent with what we observe.

What we are left with is, if there is a God, NONE of todays definitions or religions know wnything about it.


Now, if an atheists says he doesn't believe your God exists, he's just pointing out the flaws in your claims, not claiming something of his own. Even if he says theres no God, it's what he believes- you can change a belief easily by showing him your God- IN THE REALITY WE ALL SHARE, not just your mind. Anyone who has learned anyrthing about our own minds, know that thewy are good at making stuff up that doesn't check out with the rest of reality. All Gods up to now have proven to be that.

SCIENTISTS in various disciplines, namely cosmology in this case, have made claims about the BIg Bang(thats the name, but someone already pointed out, it's a misnomer) and they have found trailer loads of evidence that make a strong case for it. You don't have to BELIEVE it, and you don't have to WORSHIP it. You are bound by the constants that prove it (i.e. gravity, space/time, matter), but go right ahead, doubt it all you want.



A good majority of scientists in that field happen to be atheist. A majority of the prison system in America is religious. I call that reason to maybe see what they've been looking at.

 

[exiledking]

evoulution is a pagan relgion come on bruh

Now if you dont believe that, then guess who the burden of proof now lies on

But anyways it applies to everyone not just scientist. Me as a christian, you as an atheist. This is not some shit sciecne just created...there is a reason science doesn't doens't dispell a theory unless it's proven to be true or untrue.

It's because science uses logic. And we all have to use it, that's logic 101. Just as science can't make the claim that "fuzzy isn't a pyschic" w/out disproving. That would be foolish.

Just as it would be foolish for you to claim that you dont anything computers, but someone that claims to know shit about computers informs you that you have a virus. Who are you to tell them that you dont if you dont know and you admit you dont know? If you dont have knowledge that contradicts the person making the claim you should shut your dam mouth. Scientist have understood this, but some athiest haven't grasped this. Also some christians haven't either. But if you dont know and can't prove or disprove it, then you are in no position to make a counter claim.

Pagans existed FAR before any idea of evolution did. And pagn beliefs are just as superstious as the modern religions, but at least they didn't pretend that there was ONE God, and they knew what he liked.


The rest of your example makes no sense. I know that NO God of ANY of the existing religions exist. I'll refine that statment by saying, none of the ones I have heard have.The laws are self contradictory.


On top of all that, you're confusing the argument.

The OP asked about the big bang- you've come in saying shit about why God is real, and I'm not sure if you're trying to prove God by disproving the theory. Are you?

 

[Dr. Truth]

Just sit back and think for a second. Does the idea of "GOD" really make sense. The idea that some "being" creating everything from nothing. LOL. The whole concept is human. "Creation" all that shit is a human idea. It's a weak concept and childish. Some powerful being just had to right? Why? Because our weak minds can't comprehend? Give me a fucking break. Just like the Greeks thought the sun was a god, until they found out it was just a hot ball of gas. So in 10,000 years if humans are still here and advanced, they'll look back at our primitive ways and laugh that we fought wars over some imaginary tooth fairy called GOD because we didn't know any better.

 

[crossovernegro]

well nobody ever said that that human or any living thing was the direct result of the explosion... and even the most simple form of bacteria probably took a long while (hundreds of thousands if not millions of years) to develop, so humans.... we're talking about millions and millions of years whether there was a big bang as theorized or not.

you can also disprove big bang like this:

say you got all of the components for something as simple as a watch or as complex as a human being.
Next you put it all into a container or space.
next you add energy or a big explosion.
would the end result be a functioning watch or a human being?

i dont think so

 

[Fuzzy_McNut]

you sound silly. Theres no sweet way to say that.

Here it is

THEIST: Unless he is just a very in general, speaking of a "beginning", all encompassing energy, he has a specific idea of what he thinks GOD is. He has prove that,

It's very easy to prove that there is no God who thinks of morality anywhere like Men would think of it, because there is suffering in the world that Most men would fix if they could. NO book or religion has ben able to define God in a way that stays consisitent with what we observe.

What we are left with is, if there is a God, NONE of todays definitions or religions know wnything about it.


Now, if an atheists says he doesn't believe your God exists, he's just pointing out the flaws in your claims, not claiming something of his own. Even if he says theres no God, it's what he believes- you can change a belief easily by showing him your God- IN THE REALITY WE ALL SHARE, not just your mind. Anyone who has learned anyrthing about our own minds, know that thewy are good at making stuff up that doesn't check out with the rest of reality. All Gods up to now have proven to be that.

SCIENTISTS in various disciplines, namely cosmology in this case, have made claims about the BIg Bang(thats the name, but someone already pointed out, it's a misnomer) and they have found trailer loads of evidence that make a strong case for it. You don't have to BELIEVE it, and you don't have to WORSHIP it. You are bound by the constants that prove it (i.e. gravity, space/time, matter), but go right ahead, doubt it all you want.



A good majority of scientists in that field happen to be atheist. A majority of the prison system in America is religious. I call that reason to maybe see what they've been looking at.

As if i didn't notice what you did.

To be able to understand the text i type you must have an open mind. Doesn't mean you have to agree. Just have an open mind.

To be able to have an open mind take "that's just" out of your vocabulary. It's just like being sexiest towards a woman, if a woman makes an opinion or a point or some type of answer to a question and you say "that's just a woman". That's the same as what you're saying....that's just crazy, that's just silly, that just cant be true. That's just a conspiracy theory that's just this that's just that. I understand everyone has a defensive mechanism inside of us (including me) that tries to comfort us when our belief system or mentality has a conflict.

moving on.....

Ok fine you proved that there is no god that thinks with human morality....you are the one that thinks god is required to have human morality. Now but can you prove that there is no god?

Your idea of the creator of the universe is limited to what relgions you have heard abotu. That that's sad....open your mind and entertain the idea of a god. A god that created this earth.....no relgion association, no heaven or hell.....just a god the creator of the earth. Rather God is an enrgy, a person, a duck, or an idea....entertain god as being the creator of the earth. Now with that said why would you question it's morality? And why would it's morality come into question? Does it have to side by your morals?

 

[crossovernegro]

Basically..... and heck, I believe in God... but there is absolutely no denying that humans will just make up a deity or more than one deity when we don't know something.

Just do what humans did for all of "known" human history -- invent a god to answer the question.

Sounds like a childish answer, right? But that is all we have done for thousands of years. Don't know something? Say a god did it. Wonder how all this got here? Say god did it. Wonder who or what made god? Say god already existed and that's that. Human science for the last 10,000 years in a nutshell.

I am so glad I caught the little bit of time where we are really trying to figure shit out. Hopefully your question will be answered in my lifetime. It's something I wonder too.

 

[Fuzzy_McNut]

Now, if an atheists says he doesn't believe your God exists, he's just pointing out the flaws in your claims, not claiming something of his own. Even if he says theres no God, it's what he believes- you can change a belief easily by showing him your God- IN THE REALITY WE ALL SHARE, not just your mind. Anyone who has learned anyrthing about our own minds, know that thewy are good at making stuff up that doesn't check out with the rest of reality. All Gods up to now have proven to be that.

SCIENTISTS in various disciplines, namely cosmology in this case, have made claims about the BIg Bang(thats the name, but someone already pointed out, it's a misnomer) and they have found trailer loads of evidence that make a strong case for it. You don't have to BELIEVE it, and you don't have to WORSHIP it. You are bound by the constants that prove it (i.e. gravity, space/time, matter), but go right ahead, doubt it all you want.



A good majority of scientists in that field happen to be atheist. A majority of the prison system in America is religious. I call that reason to maybe see what they've been looking at.

and right...if he says he doesn't believe my god exist, then fine. no burden of proof. but once you tell me my god doesn't exist....then burden shifts back to you.

i dont believe in buddah, but i have never made the claim he doens't or didn't exist. So the burden of proof does not lie on me. It's just something i dont believe.

Most athiest on here will swear up and down that not only they dont believe in god, but god doesn't exist.

 

[exiledking]

As if i didn't notice what you did.

To be able to understand the text i type you must have an open mind. Doesn't mean you have to agree. Just have an open mind.

To be able to have an open mind take "that's just" out of your vocabulary. It's just like being sexiest towards a woman, if a woman makes an opinion or a point or some type of answer to a question and you say "that's just a woman". That's the same as what you're saying....that's just crazy, that's just silly, that just cant be true. That's just a conspiracy theory that's just this that's just that. I understand everyone has a defensive mechanism inside of us (including me) that tries to comfort us when our belief system or mentality has a conflict.

moving on.....

Ok fine you proved that there is no god that thinks with human morality....you are the one that thinks god is required to have human morality. Now but can you prove that there is no god?

Your idea of the creator of the universe is limited to what relgions you have heard abotu. That that's sad....open your mind and entertain the idea of a god. A god that created this earth.....no relgion association, no heaven or hell.....just a god the creator of the earth. Rather God is an enrgy, a person, a duck, or an idea....entertain god as being the creator of the earth. Now with that said why would you question it's morality? And why would it's morality come into question? Does it have to side by your morals?

You know what I call energy? ENERGY


Ans since you know, tell me how your Creator created the earth.Oh, you don't. Well, even if HE did, now you have to disprove the Big Bang after that, because there's lots of evidence for it.

And is it's possible in your OPEN mind that there is NO God that had to do that? IS it?

Why would I question it's morality if there is one? because that's important to me if someone thinks I should worship something. Or is your version of God required to be worshiped?

Honestly by your definition of God, you are trying to change so much of what men have been calling God, you should just use another word.

Creator? OK, then call it that. Call it Universe.

Energy? I call that ENERGY.

 

[Fuzzy_McNut]

Pagans existed FAR before any idea of evolution did. And pagn beliefs are just as superstious as the modern religions, but at least they didn't pretend that there was ONE God, and they knew what he liked.


The rest of your example makes no sense. I know that NO God of ANY of the existing religions exist. I'll refine that statment by saying, none of the ones I have heard have.The laws are self contradictory.


On top of all that, you're confusing the argument.

The OP asked about the big bang- you've come in saying shit about why God is real, and I'm not sure if you're trying to prove God by disproving the theory. Are you?

If what i'm saying makes no sense then surely you should be able to point out the illogic right? rather then saying "that's just silly"....."well that just doesn't make sense"...."that's just insane".

This is your time to speak so speak. And if you know they dont exist, then prove it.....questioning the morality doesn't prove that-that god doesn't exist. If i question your morality does that mean you dont exist?

 

[exiledking]

and right...if he says he doesn't believe my god exist, then fine. no burden of proof. but once you tell me my god doesn't exist....then burden shifts back to you.

i dont believe in buddah, but i have never made the claim he doens't or didn't exist. So the burden of proof does not lie on me. It's just something i dont believe.

Most athiest on here will swear up and down that not only they dont believe in god, but god doesn't exist.

you believe in Unicorns? Leprechauns? Sanat Claus?


Can't prove a negative. If God were never brought up, then there would be nothing to DISPROVE.

You shutup about God, or provide some evidence and you won't hear the refutation EVER.

 

[exiledking]

If what i'm saying makes no sense then surely you should be able to point out the illogic right? rather then saying "that's just silly"....."well that just doesn't make sense"...."that's just insane".

This is your time to speak so speak. And if you know they dont exist, then prove it.....questioning the morality doesn't prove that-that god doesn't exist. If i question your morality does that mean you dont exist?

ok. which God do you want me to disprove? your "energy" god? the christian one? DO you have ANYTHING to say on the OP? ANything to disprove the Big Bang? Have you even read it?


And questioning my morality? seriously? Heres how I prove I exist. I'm posting. Ask your energy God to do that.