How was "Space" created before the Universe

[CADE_BADAZZ]

Mathematically speaking God is infinity.... Math dosn't lie, has oppinions or plays favoritism, yet the truest displined and most complext langugue in the univers all points to a God Force...... Oh wait I am supposed to listen to some guy on BGOL over the greatest minds in the universe calculations...
Because Hawkins, Einstien, and every great mind in science have all come up with the same answer to the same equasion, and if you are able to disprove my theory by using mathematics, you will win the nobel prize in physics and be crowned the greatest mind of the 21st century. But ninjas aint gonna do all that shit, they rather talk shit, and call shit wrong, while not even trying understand all that math bullshit...

I get where you are coming from with the math I use to feel the same way, but their is no math formula for emotion, fear, love and hate. You can make a formula that says I have a 50% chance of taking my truck to work over my bike today but it cant prove that I will take my truck. Just like relgion cant show me the importance of e=mc^2.

Thats why 1000s of years ago people new so much about the stars and medicine is, because it was incorperated into religion and sprituality. They were all one. Thats why things like the pyrimids can not be understood by scientist. Also thats why things like Hawkings radiation cant or wont be understood by relgious people.
Compared to the knowledge Dogma tribe and the Myans, we are in the stone ages. I guess it all got lost when scientist and preist started getting egos.

 

[RoadRage]

GOD. I keep agreeing with you. Now I just need to know how the he/she/it was created, since you know.

And I also need to know why you keep using terms and data from Hawkings , the guy you're trying to dispute. By your logic, you shouldn't even BELIEVE IN Black Holes- you've never SEEN ONE. For all you know, the White boy Hawkings made that shit up to throw us spiritual Black folks off, and ONLY YOU know it to be a farce.


Have another cherry bruh

No need to agree with me, but if you are going to be in this debate at least keep it intellectual. There are plenty other thread to clown just for the sake of clowning...
As far as Hawkins goes, he has tried in vain to solve the problem of infinite gravity in singularity..
And if you pair that with this equation

Newtons third law of motion, it suggest getting anything out of a black hole impossible.....
Why? You ask, because according to Newton, in order to fight a force you must use as much or more force, and being that there is no number higher than infinity, there is no way you can get more than a infinite amount of gravity... Thus making a big bang physically impossible...
I know this, Hawkins knows this, Einstein knows this and now you know this...

 

[exiledking]

I get where you are coming from with the math I use to feel the same way, but their is no math formula for emotion, fear, love and hate. You can make a formula that says I have a 50% chance of taking my truck to work over my bike today but it cant prove that I will take my truck. Just like relgion cant show me the importance of e=mc^2.

Thats why 1000s of years ago people new so much about the stars and medicine is, because it was incorperated into religion and sprituality. They were all one. Thats why things like the pyrimids can not be understood by scientist. Also thats why things like Hawkings radiation cant or wont be understood by relgious people.
Compared to the knowledge Dogma tribe and the Myans, we are in the stone ages. I guess it all got lost when scientist and preist started getting egos.

really? good night

 

[RoadRage]

I get where you are coming from with the math I use to feel the same way, but their is no math formula for emotion, fear, love and hate. You can make a formula that says I have a 50% chance of taking my truck to work over my bike today but it cant prove that I will take my truck. Just like relgion cant show me the importance of e=mc^2.

Thats why 1000s of years ago people new so much about the stars and medicine is, because it was incorperated into religion and sprituality. They were all one. Thats why things like the pyrimids can not be understood by scientist. Also thats why things like Hawkings radiation cant or wont be understood by relgious people.
Compared to the knowledge Dogma tribe and the Myans, we are in the stone ages. I guess it all got lost when scientist and preist started getting egos.

You are getting into the spirituality of the Universe.... Dude if these guys cant understand the physical aspect, then they would be lost with that....
Its a great subject, but I would not begin to waste my time talking it with people who dont at least have a grip and basic understanding, in the physical science and mathematics.

 

[exiledking]

No need to agree with me, but if you are going to be in this debate at least keep it intellectual. There are plenty other thread to clown just for the sake of clowning...
As far as Hawkins goes, he has tried in vain to solve the problem of infinite gravity in singularity..
And if you pair that with this equation

Newtons third law of motion, it suggest getting anything out of a black hole impossible.....
Why? You ask, because according to Newton, in order to fight a force you must use as much or more force, and being that there is no number higher than infinity, there is no way you can get more than a infinite amount of gravity... Thus making a big bang physically impossible...
I know this, Hawkins knows this, Einstein knows this and now you know this...

read my first sentence again.


You are aware there are different models (since you like using mathematical models in your googlemania) of singularities, yes?

Your assertions are all wrong. Hawkings, Einstein, all these people you mention, are not stuck on any of this at all.

There are certainly things they are stuck on, but this isn't one of them. Why would you quote them, when they have different conclusions from you? Now you're again, usng half truths to muddle up the conversation, and try to make yourself look smart bruh. Stop it.

For anyone else reading this, the simple end of this, is you keep quoting and using information from people who directly dispute you, among a million others.

And it contradicts what you said earlier about White people, when all you seem to be quoting is White people. It's amazing.

I'm not gonna go deeper into aspects that I can't begin to explain, and that are based on false assumptions in the first place. If Hawkings agreed with you, he would have a different conclusion- he doesn't. So at least, stop using his name in your arguments against the position that he is one of the foremost advocates of.

 

[RoadRage]

read my first sentence again.


You are aware there are different models (since you like using mathematical models in your googlemania) of singularities, yes?

Your assertions are all wrong. Hawkings, Einstein, all these people you mention, are not stuck on any of this at all.

There are certainly things they are stuck on, but this isn't one of them. Why would you quote them, when they have different conclusions from you? Now you're again, usng half truths to muddle up the conversation, and try to make yourself look smart bruh. Stop it.

For anyone else reading this, the simple end of this, is you keep quoting and using information from people who directly dispute you, among a million others.

And it contradicts what you said earlier about White people, when all you seem to be quoting is White people. It's amazing.

I'm not gonna go deeper into aspects that I can't begin to explain, and that are based on false assumptions in the first place. If Hawkings agreed with you, he would have a different conclusion- he doesn't. So at least, stop using his name in your arguments against the position that he is one of the foremost advocates of.

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Forward to 4:22 and for the answer to your statement...
As for google, you think I can type this fast and refer to google at the same time... LOLOL....

 

[exiledking]

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Forward to 4:22 and for the answer to your statement...
As for google, you think I can type this fast and refer to google at the same time... LOLOL....

absolutely- especially with the half witted conclusions you're coming out with. You're really misquoting all kinds of things. At this point, I'm positive that you're not only ignorant of the facts, you're misrepresenting on purpose. It's sad.

But again- a clear question----

If you can quote Hawkings, and reference him and others, why is your conclusions different from theirs?

I've asked this 3 or more times, and you keep skipping it.

Care to answer?

 

[CADE_BADAZZ]

really? good night

Yea really!!! How could the dogma almost perfectly calculate the orbit of a star that our scientist didnt even know exist until the 1930s. They even knew it was made up of very dense material. Hell even when Albert E. was alive most scientist thought the Milky Way was the Universe and that it was static. The Myans knew that was not the case over 1500 years ago.

 

[exiledking]

Yea really!!! How could the dogma almost perfectly calculate the orbit of a star that our scientist didnt even know exist until the 1930s. They even knew it was made up of very dense material. Hell even when Albert E. was alive most scientist thought the Milky Way was the Universe and that it was static. The Myans knew that was not the case over 1500 years ago.

a little help for you--- it's DOGON.

and MAYAN.


Please don't type anymore.

 

[RoadRage]

absolutely- especially with the half witted conclusions you're coming out with. You're really misquoting all kinds of things. At this point, I'm positive that you're not only ignorant of the facts, you're misrepresenting on purpose. It's sad.

But again- a clear question----

If you can quote Hawkings, and reference him and others, why is your conclusions different from theirs?

I've asked this 3 or more times, and you keep skipping it.

Care to answer?

I said no one has been able to solve the mystery of the of quantum gravity....
Hawkins has not concluded a different explanation,to explain the mystery, matter of fact he tried in vain and failed at any attempts of splicing together the theory of everything, that would explain the answer to their problem.....
I don't know what lead you to believe that he was stressful at it, because he wasn't..

But according to the facts, Hawkins, Einstein or who ever has been able to solve the enigma of quantum gravity..... Its a mystery that the video claims mother nature has the answer to...... There goes the white man again, calling god mother nature... LOL....

 

[exiledking]

I said no one has been able to solve the mystery of the of quantum gravity....
Hawkins has not concluded a different explanation, he tried in vain and failed at any attempts of piecing together the theory of everything...
I don't know what lead you to believe that he was stressful at it...

But according to the facts, Hawkins, Einstein or who ever has been able to solve the enigma of quantum gravity..... Its a mystery that the video claims mother nature has the answer to...... There goes the white man again, calling god mother nature... LOL....

and you have... of course.

And Stephen Hawkings, as well as the guy in this video, all still see the big bang as a theory with strong evidence. The quantum physics game you're playing.... I'm supposed to buy it, when the people you post disagree with you? aight.


Let's not play games with terms.

 

[RoadRage]

Oh and if you think this is one of those instances where we can not get the right answer due to lack of knowledge, well think again, that would be like saying 1 + 1 =3 and the only reason why we can't see that is by some unforeseeable fact that will be relieved in the future..
Nope thats not how mathematics works.... Hawkins and others spent the last three decades crunching numbers only to get back the same answer time and time again... If they were to alter the equation in order to get a different answer, then everything we know about gravity and their calculations have to also be wrong, a strong pill to swallow especially with all the success they have with space program that relies heavily on those types of calculations..

 

[RoadRage]

and you have... of course.

And Stephen Hawkings, as well as the guy in this video, all still see the big bang as a theory with strong evidence. The quantum physics game you're playing.... I'm supposed to buy it, when the people you post disagree with you? aight.


Let's not play games with terms.

I never said there wasn't a big bang...... I said that the force that created all matter is the Force of God.....
They state that all matter came from the big bang not that it was created from the big bang.
Think of it this way, if you have all the candy in a bag and spilled it on the floor you can say that the candy came from the bag, however you would be wrong if you were to say that the candy was created in the bag....
For the record there isn't as single scientist that has said that all matter was created in the singularity.

 

[Mentor B]

For man to understand the universe is like a chimpanzee trying to understand calculus.

 

[exiledking]

Oh and if you think this is one of those instances where we can not get the right answer due to lack of knowledge, well think again, that would be like saying 1 + 1 =3 and the only reason why we can't see that is by some unforeseeable fact that will be relieved in the future..
Nope thats not how mathematics works.... Hawkins and others spent the last three decades crunching numbers only to get back the same answer time and time again... If they were to alter the equation in order to get a different answer, then everything we know about gravity and their calculations have to also be wrong, a strong pill to swallow especially with all the success they have with space program that relies heavily on those types of calculations..

heres the guy in your video again.

Firstly, in your video, he basically illustrates an update on relativity, which we all know Einstein had a few things wrong about constants, just like Newton and others before him.

Wrong, but on a path of testable and repeatable ideas- science, not religion.


Relativity led way to quantum physics, which leads possibly now to string theory and the idea of multiverses (these are NOT testable yet, so scientists like you friend here STRONGLY use terms like "MAYBE", and "WE DON'T KNOW".


But as far as THE BIG BANG- please check and see what your own source says.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2826113/michio_kaku_on_the_big_bang/


Then quit misquoting things.

 

[RoadRage]

For man to understand the universe is like a chimpanzee trying to understand calculus.

Understanding the physical aspect of the Universe isn't that impossible, there are very few laws and things are quite uniform and even what can not be seen and felt can be calculated by mathematics.."for the most part".
However, the part of the universe that deals with life, conciseness and infinity, is the part were we are as dumb as fuck

 

[exiledking]

Now let me own the Big bang by using simple mathematics. ....

I never said there wasn't a big bang...... I said that the force that created all matter is the Force of God.....

gentlemen... good night

 

[RoadRage]

heres the guy in your video again.

Firstly, in your video, he basically illustrates an update on relativity, which we all know Einstein had a few things wrong about constants, just like Newton and others before him.

Wrong, but on a path of testable and repeatable ideas- science, not religion.


Relativity led way to quantum physics, which leads possibly now to string theory and the idea of multiverses (these are NOT testable yet, so scientists like you friend here STRONGLY use terms like "MAYBE", and "WE DON'T KNOW".


But as far as THE BIG BANG- please check and see what your own source says.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2826113/michio_kaku_on_the_big_bang/


Then quit misquoting things.

Relativity and Quantum physics deal with two different things once the big and the other the macro.....
As far as the big bang, like I said I never said it never happen, I just said that according to every calculation it is impossible to happen.... This is why Michio Kaku said that the equation result was a monstrosity and a embarrassment... As far as string theory, and multi-universes, all that is doing is passing the buck, and avoiding the question, where did all this shit come from? Where did the strings from the string theory come from? Where did the multi universes and the stuff they are made of come from? Where did the bubble like film where we are supposed to live on come from????
No matter how they tap dance, the question remains, what force is capable of creating something from nothing.......
This is what the God force is..... Plain and simple....

 

[exiledking]

Understanding the physical aspect of the Universe isn't that impossible, there are very few laws and things are quite uniform and even what can not be seen and felt can be calculated by mathematics.."for the most part".
However, the part of the universe that deals with life, conciseness and infinity, is the part were we are as dumb as fuck

and the way you KNOW that the "ancients" were so much smarter is how?

 

[RoadRage]

gentlemen... good night

I've own the notion that it is the creator of every thing, not that it is where everything came from..... Remember the bag and the candy....

 

[exiledking]

Relativity and Quantum physics deal with two different things once the big and the other the macro.....
As far as the big bang, like I said I never said it never happen, I just said that according to every calculation it is impossible to happen.... This is why Michio Kaku said that the equation result was a monstrosity and a embarrassment... As far as string theory, and multi-universes, all that is doing is passing the buck, and avoiding the question, where did all this shit come from? Where did the strings from the string theory come from? Where did the multi universes and the stuff they are made of come from? Where did the bubble like film where we are supposed to live on come from????
No matter how they tap dance, the question remains, what force is capable of creating something from nothing.......
This is what the God force is..... Plain and simple....

so #1- you never DISPROVED the big bang.

this makes all of your mathematics quotes IRRELEVANT, because either the math you so revere is wrong, or we aren't here. You and I agree that we are here, so the math equations are obviously incorrect. Scientists have no problem stating that, why do you? You've been going on for pages about how true and unbiased math is, when it' simply a model that relates to the real world.

#2 It leaves your God idea once again back at square one. The term God, especially in your use, is absolutely useless. All it means is "I don't know" which you seem to be uncomfortable saying


#3 stop with all this talk about the "ancients" and what they seemed to understand that we don't. Yes, it's true that through the many paths mankind takes at points in history, some things understood by some, and some schools of thought have stones unturned, no one disputes this. there are many things in ancient history that we don't understand. There are MORE that we DO understand, and have superior knowledge of, THANKS to those ancients, and the aggressors that didn't destory EVERYTHING, so that we may be able to piece it together, and use that knowledge along with the rest of the bits that we have.

You've been playing the same game over and over.

avoiding the question? wow. They're capable of saying they DON'T KNOW, and you aren't.

 

[RoadRage]

so #1- you never DISPROVED the big bang.

this makes all of your mathematics quotes IRRELEVANT, because either the math you so revere is wrong, or we aren't here. You and I agree that we are here, so the math equations are obviously incorrect. Scientists have no problem stating that, why do you? You've been going on for pages about how true and unbiased math is, when it' simply a model that relates to the real world.
Based on newtons third law of motion and Einstein plus everybody law of quantum gravity, the big bang is impossible...
Simply put in order to combat the force of infinite gravitational pull of a singularity, the force has to be equal or greater.....
Base on our knowledge on fusion if the force is equal would at best get a star ignition, a explosion that is equal with the force of gravity, forming a ball of energy... Now if gravity were to weaken it would simply explode, if gravity were to increase the star would collapse unto itself.
The big bang by all accounts was an mass explosion, meaning that the force was greater than the gravitational pull.. that mean the force had to be greater than infinity....
This is where the problem lies, and why Michio Kaku referred to it as a monstrosity. Because there is nothing greater than infinity.... Point blank...
So even if there was a big bang, only a power greater than all the forces combined had to be at play.. And the only force I can think of is the God Force....


#2 It leaves your God idea once again back at square one. The term God, especially in your use, is absolutely useless. All it means is "I don't know" which you seem to be uncomfortable saying

Again you are wrong with your first assumption..... So this is mute....



#3 stop with all this talk about the "ancients" and what they seemed to understand that we don't. Yes, it's true that through the many paths mankind takes at points in history, some things understood by some, and some schools of thought have stones unturned, no one disputes this. there are many things in ancient history that we don't understand. There are MORE that we DO understand, and have superior knowledge of, THANKS to those ancients, and the aggressors that didn't destory EVERYTHING, so that we may be able to piece it together, and use that knowledge along with the rest of the bits that we have.
.

You've been playing the same game over and over.

avoiding the question? wow. They're capable of saying they DON'T KNOW, and you aren't.
I didn't even touch this subject yet, because you are still stuck at the big bang... And seem to not understand physics too well.

BTW I've had this debate with a professor who studied under Michio at NYU and they candidly told me congratulation I've discovered the great secrete of the Universe..

 

[RoadRage]

Show me one mathematical equation where you can find a force greater than quantum gravity. And not only would I shut up, but you will gain all types awards and money for being the worlds brightest man......
The flip side to all of this is that if you can't then the whole big bang theory, the way it stands doesn't make any sense what so ever.....
Again I never said there wasn't a big bang, I said that if there was one, it had to be caused by the God Force...

 

[RoadRage]

As far as the ancintients their knowledge of mathmatics is just mind blowing.. I mean for them to come up with the fibernachi sequence, Phi and Pi, and so on is just mind blowing... Plus the whole flower of life and Metatron's Cube, as well as advanced Fractal Geometry is like...
But then again they dealt with mathematics in terms of its spiritual aspects, similar to music, and the way crystals, atoms and DNA are formulated.
Its a deep subject that warrants its own thread...
Something I promise to create when I have a lot of free time on my hands.

 

[John_Gault]

I have a couple things to add that might help shape these exchanges.

1. Math, simply put, is not REAL. It is an abstraction for the purpose of description, like a map DESCRIBES geographical territory (and does a pretty good job of it). HOWEVER, the MAP is NOT the territory. As far as we've come, and far we have, we do not yet have maths (read:language) expressive enough to adequately describe the physical world. Science is an ITERATIVE process, and just like past civilizations that have come and gone, WE may not be around when NEW MATHS are developed that DO describe existence.

Also, because math is only a tool just like a map is tool for navigation, this is a good analogue to keep in mind when referring to maths. Why? Because like the maps, they are proximal in their application but accurate only unto itself. Meaning, in a dynamic setting maths are only good for the period in which it's solution(s) applies to the phenomenon of that period. Outside of that, the math is useless unless an accurate description of change for all related phenomenon can be achieved. Also, physicist and mathematicians are really different animals.


2. It might be worth one's while IF you're invested in the IDEA of a DESIGNER to look up a little something called EMERGENT BEHAVIOR. Many of the observations folks make that compels them to 'see' god, comes from this very phenomenon.


2 cents,


JG

 

[exiledking]

I have a couple things to add that might help shape these exchanges.

1. Math, simply put, is not REAL. It is an abstraction for the purpose of description, like a map DESCRIBES geographical territory (and does a pretty good job of it). HOWEVER, the MAP is NOT the territory. As far as we've come, and far we have, we do not yet have maths (read:language) expressive enough to adequately describe the physical world. Science is an ITERATIVE process, and just like past civilizations that have come and gone, WE may not be around when NEW MATHS are developed that DO describe existence.

Also, because math is only a tool just like a map is tool for navigation, this is a good analogue to keep in mind when referring to maths. Why? Because like the maps, they are proximal in their application but accurate only unto itself. Meaning, in a dynamic setting maths are only good for the period in which it's solution(s) applies to the phenomenon of that period. Outside of that, the math is useless unless an accurate description of change for all related phenomenon can be achieved. Also, physicist and mathematicians are really different animals.


2. It might be worth one's while IF you're invested in the IDEA of a DESIGNER to look up a little something called EMERGENT BEHAVIOR. Many of the observations folks make that compels them to 'see' god, comes from this very phenomenon.


2 cents,


JG

I agree, math is a model.

And yes, humans are pattern seekers

 

[RoadRage]

I have a couple things to add that might help shape these exchanges.

1. Math, simply put, is not REAL. It is an abstraction for the purpose of description, like a map DESCRIBES geographical territory (and does a pretty good job of it). HOWEVER, the MAP is NOT the territory. As far as we've come, and far we have, we do not yet have maths (read:language) expressive enough to adequately describe the physical world. Science is an ITERATIVE process, and just like past civilizations that have come and gone, WE may not be around when NEW MATHS are developed that DO describe existence.

Also, because math is only a tool just like a map is tool for navigation, this is a good analogue to keep in mind when referring to maths. Why? Because like the maps, they are proximal in their application but accurate only unto itself. Meaning, in a dynamic setting maths are only good for the period in which it's solution(s) applies to the phenomenon of that period. Outside of that, the math is useless unless an accurate description of change for all related phenomenon can be achieved. Also, physicist and mathematicians are really different animals.


2. It might be worth one's while IF you're invested in the IDEA of a DESIGNER to look up a little something called EMERGENT BEHAVIOR. Many of the observations folks make that compels them to 'see' god, comes from this very phenomenon.


2 cents,


JG

You are wrong, because mathematics is the best and purest barometer of reality than anything known to mankind....
Let me give you a few examples... No one has seen touched or heard dark matter... But they know it exist how??? By mathematics.. If you were to take the orbit of the stars in a galaxy around the center, according to physics the stars furthest away from the center (or black hole) should not be moving at the same rate of the ones furthest away and yet they do....
Mathematics determined that the web that keep the stars moving at the same rate, and prevents the universe from flinging apart is dark matter. And by mathematics they are able to determine that our universe is composed of roughly 22% dark matter....
Most mordern discoveries were math problems first, everything from atomic energy, TV, and your computers just to name a few..
I will say this, about math, the schools are teaching it ass backwards.....

 

[Les W]

You are wrong, because mathematics is the best and purest barometer of reality than anything known to mankind....
Let me give you a few examples... No one has seen touched or heard dark matter... But they know it exist how??? By mathematics.. If you were to take the orbit of the stars in a galaxy around the center, according to physics the stars furthest away from the center (or black hole) should not be moving at the same rate of the ones furthest away and yet they do....
Mathematics determined that the web that keep the stars moving at the same rate, and prevents the universe from flinging apart is dark matter. And by mathematics they are able to determine that our universe is composed of roughly 22% dark matter....
Most mordern discoveries were math problems first, everything from atomic energy, TV, and your computers just to name a few..
I will say this, about math, the schools are teaching it ass backwards.....

lol @ dark matter... the latest gap in human understanding... here is how dark mater came into being:

Astro-Physicist A:
"Hey our calculations are waaaaaaaay off... the universe behaves NOTHING like our physics equations says it should.."

Astro-Physicist B:
"No problem let's tell the idiots there's some unknown unexplainable mystery element in the fabric of space that is throwing off our equations..."

Astro-Physicist A:
"But doesn't that mean that our equation is incorrect and thus our physics is also incorrect since it didn't factor in this mystery element in the first place??"

Astro-Physicist B:
"Yeah but we can't tell the idiots that or they'll freak out... by the time they figure out we are full of it we'll be retired or dead anyways"

I take that back the latest gap in human understanding is quantum mechanics... lol... science is just trying to maintain social order like religion is... they won't come out and say "Newton was wrong" or "Biology as we know it is largely incorrect"

 

[John_Gault]

You are wrong, because mathematics is the best and purest barometer of reality than anything known to mankind....


And by mathematics they are able to determine that our universe is composed of roughly 22% dark matter....

RR,

See what I mean (@ Bolded)? ^^^. There's A LOT going on, where gaps in understanding lead to gross measurements. Obviously math us highly useful.

You will NEVER get ANY physicist or mathematician to disagree with me on the inadequacies of our maths, as it pertains to extents to which we can measure things. I love math, and agree that the maths we have to date are the best 'languages' we have at describing physical reality. So no argument there.


But we do not possess enough mathematical 'vocabulary' to answer the biggest or most complex questions . . . nor are we familiar will all measurable elements within a system that need to be included in a model. We're just not there yet. Ax around. . . perhaps your Professor friend from City College. But keep up the good fight, it's all good. 'Cause IF we had the PROPER compendium of maths and a combined understanding of related phenomena, MAN!!!, do you know how far ahead we'd be from where we are?

JG

 

[tical]

lol @ dark matter... the latest gap in human understanding... here is how dark mater came into being:

Astro-Physicist A:
"Hey our calculations are waaaaaaaay off... the universe behaves NOTHING like our physics equations says it should.."

Astro-Physicist B:
"No problem let's tell the idiots there's some unknown unexplainable mystery element in the fabric of space that is throwing off our equations..."

Astro-Physicist A:
"But doesn't that mean that our equation is incorrect and thus our physics is also incorrect since it didn't factor in this mystery element in the first place??"

Astro-Physicist B:
"Yeah but we can't tell the idiots that or they'll freak out... by the time they figure out we are full of it we'll be retired or dead anyways"

I take that back the latest gap in human understanding is quantum mechanics... lol... science is just trying to maintain social order like religion is... they won't come out and say "Newton was wrong" or "Biology as we know it is largely incorrect"

When it comes to discussion in regard to the physics and/or mathematics, I will easily contend it's not my strong suit. However, I can more than hold my own in the biology; Les W did you have any example of this " largely incorrect " biology? I am also curious how you have come to define this " largely incorrect " bio?

 

[RoadRage]

lol @ dark matter... the latest gap in human understanding... here is how dark mater came into being:

Astro-Physicist A:
"Hey our calculations are waaaaaaaay off... the universe behaves NOTHING like our physics equations says it should.."

Astro-Physicist B:
"No problem let's tell the idiots there's some unknown unexplainable mystery element in the fabric of space that is throwing off our equations..."

Astro-Physicist A:
"But doesn't that mean that our equation is incorrect and thus our physics is also incorrect since it didn't factor in this mystery element in the first place??"

Astro-Physicist B:
"Yeah but we can't tell the idiots that or they'll freak out... by the time they figure out we are full of it we'll be retired or dead anyways"

I take that back the latest gap in human understanding is quantum mechanics... lol... science is just trying to maintain social order like religion is... they won't come out and say "Newton was wrong" or "Biology as we know it is largely incorrect"

I agree with what you say and it is part of what I've been trying to say. Matter of fact I can give you perfect instances where what you said actually occurs (string theory, and multi-universes to name a few) However I have to disagree with you in trying to push it on Newtons laws, because it is as close to an air tight theory as your gonna find. It is old and time proven and also has been used to correctly predict planet, and moon orbits, but countless motion in the universe being moved by gravity.
As far as dark matter goes, complex super computers not only calculated the presence of dark matter it also created a simulation based of dark matter that explained and predicted the motion of stars and galaxies..
BTW here is a pic of on of the computer generated images...

If you are saying to yourself it looks familiar then maybe you are correct..

 

[exiledking]

lol @ dark matter
I take that back the latest gap in human understanding is quantum mechanics... lol... science is just trying to maintain social order like religion is... they won't come out and say "Newton was wrong" or "Biology as we know it is largely incorrect"

Newton was wrong about a lot of things, more bullshit

 

[RoadRage]

RR,

See what I mean (@ Bolded)? ^^^. There's A LOT going on, where gaps in understanding lead to gross measurements. Obviously math us highly useful.

You will NEVER get ANY physicist or mathematician to disagree with me on the inadequacies of our maths, as it pertains to extents to which we can measure things. I love math, and agree that the maths we have to date are the best 'languages' we have at describing physical reality. So no argument there.


But we do not possess enough mathematical 'vocabulary' to answer the biggest or most complex questions . . . nor are we familiar will all measurable elements within a system that need to be included in a model. We're just not there yet. Ax around. . . perhaps your Professor friend from City College. But keep up the good fight, it's all good. 'Cause IF we had the PROPER compendium of maths and a combined understanding of related phenomena, MAN!!!, do you know how far ahead we'd be from where we are?

JG

Let me run down a theory that may appear to be extream and far fetched, but mathmatics has two components, just like music (which is math set to sound)
1 it can be measured and used to predict and figure out complex questions..
2 it can be felt and used to communicate... (I know some of you guys are like RR done lost it now) But hear me out....

Ever play basket ball, and shoot that perfect swooosh? Well that math, and you did not have to calculate with your brain to get the right answer... You just feel it... The better you become at basket ball the better you become at calculating with you muscles and your perception.. When I was balling, I had a quick release and many claimed I did not look when I shot.. I dont know how true that is, but I can tell you that I cant recall looking at the basket with my eyes, it was more like I could feel where I was at on the court, and when I was in the zone, my brain just shut down and I became one with the ball.
Likewise with music, when you zone out you can feel it more... You are not making any active calculations but let there be one note out of place, and you can feel it right away...
This is how I think mathmatics works, trees dont have a watch, ruler or calculator, but they all grow a ring every year... Cells know how to divide following very ridged protocols in our body, they are very accurate with their calculations with out math. Yet they have no brains, tools or computers to assist them..
Shit even DNA, Atoms and molecules follow the rules of mathematics with out thinking about it.
Ever wake up at the same time everyday with out a alarm clock? This is because your body is in tune with the earth and this calculation is done with out thinking or tools...
Think about this, a average cell in your body is a million times smarter than the most smartest man on earth and fastest computer ever made... Why is that, because every cell in your body possesses the information to create and grow a human body...
I've said a mouthful and I haven't even drank my morning coffee yet.. But this is leading towards the feminine aspect of god (no its not a real female, but the side that is more spiritual and having to do with life) like I said the discussion if far more subjective and warrens far more time that I am able to give it right now...

 

[exiledking]

^^^^ yet, even Jordan missed more than he made.

 

[RoadRage]

Also food for thought, ever wonder how some people can draw accurate pics just by looking at a subject. With out calculating with a ruler or any other measuring devices...... Well its because they are one with mathematics, some math geniuses tell stories of being one with numbers and able to feel see and even taste numbers..
I think the ancients were able to tap into this ability and this is how mathematics was discovered and why they was so much better at it back then..