How many of you believe that blacks can't stop racism?
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In order to stop racism, Black people have to learn what ways of life to adopt from white people and what ways of life we need to stop imitating from white people.
For example, Black people need to develop a love for guns and other weaponry that's stronger than white people's. We need more brothers legally owning gun shops or, at least, trying to get firearms dealer licenses. We need more brothers and sisters who are interested in creating weaponry more advanced than what we have now.
Secondly, I know it is really taboo for me to mention...but I think it would also help if more Black families engaged in polygamy and/or polyandry for strengthening and solidarity purposes.
However, our number one impediment to all this is overcoming our own mental conditioning.
Drastic change within ourselves has to occur before white supremacy can be defeated. When you think about it, that makes a hell of a lot of sense, too.
Otherwise, shit will remain perpetual as is...
For example, Black people need to develop a love for guns and other weaponry that's stronger than white people's. We need more brothers legally owning gun shops or, at least, trying to get firearms dealer licenses. We need more brothers and sisters who are interested in creating weaponry more advanced than what we have now.
Secondly, I know it is really taboo for me to mention...but I think it would also help if more Black families engaged in polygamy and/or polyandry for strengthening and solidarity purposes.
However, our number one impediment to all this is overcoming our own mental conditioning.
Drastic change within ourselves has to occur before white supremacy can be defeated. When you think about it, that makes a hell of a lot of sense, too.
Otherwise, shit will remain perpetual as is...
But how do will we stop CACs from being evil minded racists that 95% of them are?
I don't think we can stop them from teaching this shit in their homes
It's 2014 and you got hardcore racists in their teens and 20s
That just should not be
But what we can do is NOT TOLERATE any bullshit from them
None at all
I don't think we can stop them from teaching this shit in their homes
It's 2014 and you got hardcore racists in their teens and 20s
That just should not be
But what we can do is NOT TOLERATE any bullshit from them
None at all
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True!
we're not trying to stop them from feeling how they feel
we want them to feel the way they feel and be powerless to do anything about it.
that's the ether.
now they feel it and can act it out and get away with it.
We can stop it by matching population size here in America and aspiring to more positions of power and occupying a majority of those positions. And be aggressive about it.
I kind of had this talk with two of my co-workers yesterday.
I told them that I truly believe that the only way Black People will attain any form of peace from all this racist crap is with Death.
Racism will never be eliminated. And many of today's Black folks are mentally sheep. To the system, Pop Culture, etc.
Most of these cats are more caught up with a meaningless RAp/Hip-Hop Culture, Minaj, Beyonce, Real Housewives, etc. They just don't care about anything serious.
And the very few conscious Black folks that do care are seen as "Too Black" and/or foolish.
We'll be angry as a collective every now and then. But then it's back to business as usual. We don't keep the momentum going.
I told them that I truly believe that the only way Black People will attain any form of peace from all this racist crap is with Death.
Racism will never be eliminated. And many of today's Black folks are mentally sheep. To the system, Pop Culture, etc.
Most of these cats are more caught up with a meaningless RAp/Hip-Hop Culture, Minaj, Beyonce, Real Housewives, etc. They just don't care about anything serious.
And the very few conscious Black folks that do care are seen as "Too Black" and/or foolish.
We'll be angry as a collective every now and then. But then it's back to business as usual. We don't keep the momentum going.
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This!!
I've seen it so much over the past 15 or so years, and it's so sad.
I was deeeeeep into the conscious community at one point, and when I'd try to share w/ other people, they used to laugh at me, or just tune me out. I wasn't even aggressive about it.
I think the one thing that finally did it for me was when I saw so many black people resistant to the notion of a 'non-white Jesus'.
The 'Black Jesus' episode from Good Times, and how Florida responded to it, is exactly how that shit would play out. I'm not even a Christian, but I figured, if you're going to believe in Jesus, then you sure as hell should need to stop believing in the Matthew Mcconaughey version.
Motherfuckers were even SCARED of my African art., When they think African the immediately think of voodoo and demonic spirits. Yes, the vast majority of the black people I know, that I've spoken to about Africa, have reduced it to demonic spirits and extreme poverty.
I hate to say this, but by 2012, I was like 'Fuck a 'cause. I'm just going to do me!' Of course, old habits die hard...
...but when you're trying to share things with people that will not only benefit them psychologically, financially, etc., and they act like you are talking gibberish...
...well, I've never been one for too much time wasting.
I think some of the people in here about a bit too idealistic when it comes to black people. The psychological damage is so deep, man. It's too deep. I've been scarred to, but I can clearly see my scars, and how they affect me.
Before you can get the collective on your side, you need to reprogram them ENOUGH to not make them apathetic or complacent. The ones who are completely lost ...
...well, everyone won't make the journey.
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Yeah but we as blacks have to get it started. We got to get the ball rolling. Let's bring out the elephant in the room. We're scared.. Not as an insult. We are legit afraid for our lives.
That would be fun. But god forbid they invent the new aids for that ass.
I have been saying this on the forum for years. Folks talking about changing local laws, looking to change state laws, and appealing to the sensibilities of the federalis. Pretty fucking goofy. Until and unless folks are willing to give it all up, we will continue to be treated like this. I already know that it ain't gonna happen - there's not one soul who would give up their heated cool leather seats to go back to something else.
I've been angry since forever so lemme keep my mouth shut.
I agree with you 100% but first we need to start fighting. We're not doing shit. We haven't fought since the 60s.
Your right about our lack of awareness and our unwillingness to address social and political wrongs. IMO we have regressed to a level that existed prior to the 60s. Presently we have a racist Supreme Court, a racist congress, racist police forces armed for war against unarmed citizens. Meanwhile far to many of our are people acting like everything with the world is fine and dandy.
What's worse is our present situation doesn't seem to matter to us unless another of our youth is unjustly murdered by another racist cop. Is this what it takes to awaken our people?
Even when we do something good we don't stick with it. We got a black man elected to the white house then did nothing to support him. Where were the democratic voters in 2012? Meanwhile republicans are working day and night to ensure your status in this country becomes as insignificant as yesterdays trash.
I want to believe we're better than this but we're not showing it. Our willingness to allow these injustices to continue will be our undoing. People talk about whats wrong with our society but they never look at themselves.
racism is the belief that an individual or group of people feel they are inferior to another race. In this day in time I think racism is its true definition is not very prevalent.
Why we can't stop racism?
Because white people created it? It's some type of super power potent shit?
I'm confused
Stereotypes which is derived from racism is our biggest issue along with prejudice views. A large number of things about our culture has a negative connotation attached to it. For example
Kinky-hair is considered not well groomed or inappropriate
Locks - considered thuggish and not corporate
Our style of dress - not corporate, thuggish, hood where only crooks, thrives and criminals wear.
Government assistance - it is perceived that all blacks come from poorly educated families or poor areas. We all use government assistance and abuse government assistance. Which is not true.
Blacks that need government assistance - are all lazy and drug addicts who sit home and don't have ambition. While their white counter parts are going through a rough time.
Media - consistently floods our minds with negative images of ourselves.
To me this is our problem
Go back to the drawing board.
Racism is NOT a belief
Go research the difference between prejudice, discrimination and racism
I will have to respectfully disagree. I think it is 1000% a belief that is instilled or ingrained into our society as children.
Go back to the drawing board.
Racism is NOT a belief
Go research the difference between prejudice, discrimination and racism
Social conditioning is a silent but deadly killer. From the time we are born the media, powerful whites are flooding Americans mind with negative images of blacks. We even perm our hair because of it for example.
How about this...we should choose a day like our own black holiday (Create our own national holiday)and decide not to spend money..hit em in the pockets. We should do this a few times out the year and even if all of blacks can't participate in this "holiday" because of an emergency, it'll still be an impact.
Also this is an example of unity amongst our people.
Also this is an example of unity amongst our people.
Give me your thoughts about this:
Sociologist and former American Sociological Association president Joe Feagin argues that the United States can be characterized as a "total racist society" because racism is used to organize every social institution (Feagin 2000, p. 16).
More recently, Feagin has articulated a comprehensive theory of racial oppression in the U.S. in his book
Systemic Racism: A Theory of Oppression (Routledge, 2006).
Feagin examines how major institutions have been built upon racial oppression which was not an accident of history, but was created intentionally by white Americans.
In Feagin's view, white Americans labored hard to create a system of racial oppression in the 17th century and have worked diligently to maintain the system ever since.
While Feagin acknowledges that changes have occurred in this racist system over the centuries, he contends that key and fundamental elements have been reproduced over nearly four centuries, and that U.S. institutions today reflect the racialized hierarchy created in the 17th century.
Today, as in the past, racial oppression is not just a surface-level feature of this society, but rather pervades, permeates, and interconnects all major social groups, networks, and institutions across the society.
Feagin's definition stands in sharp contrast to psychological definitions that assume racism is an "attitude" or an irrational form of bigotry that exists apart from the organization of social structure.
Give me your thoughts about this:
Sociologist and former American Sociological Association president Joe Feagin argues that the United States can be characterized as a "total racist society" because racism is used to organize every social institution (Feagin 2000, p. 16).
More recently, Feagin has articulated a comprehensive theory of racial oppression in the U.S. in his book
Systemic Racism: A Theory of Oppression (Routledge, 2006).
Feagin examines how major institutions have been built upon racial oppression which was not an accident of history, but was created intentionally by white Americans.
In Feagin's view, white Americans labored hard to create a system of racial oppression in the 17th century and have worked diligently to maintain the system ever since.
While Feagin acknowledges that changes have occurred in this racist system over the centuries, he contends that key and fundamental elements have been reproduced over nearly four centuries, and that U.S. institutions today reflect the racialized hierarchy created in the 17th century.
Today, as in the past, racial oppression is not just a surface-level feature of this society, but rather pervades, permeates, and interconnects all major social groups, networks, and institutions across the society.
Feagin's definition stands in sharp contrast to psychological definitions that assume racism is an "attitude" or an irrational form of bigotry that exists apart from the organization of social structure.
I will check it out in a few and get back with you.
Give me your thoughts about this:
Sociologist and former American Sociological Association president Joe Feagin argues that the United States can be characterized as a "total racist society" because racism is used to organize every social institution (Feagin 2000, p. 16).
More recently, Feagin has articulated a comprehensive theory of racial oppression in the U.S. in his book
Systemic Racism: A Theory of Oppression (Routledge, 2006).
Feagin examines how major institutions have been built upon racial oppression which was not an accident of history, but was created intentionally by white Americans.
In Feagin's view, white Americans labored hard to create a system of racial oppression in the 17th century and have worked diligently to maintain the system ever since.
While Feagin acknowledges that changes have occurred in this racist system over the centuries, he contends that key and fundamental elements have been reproduced over nearly four centuries, and that U.S. institutions today reflect the racialized hierarchy created in the 17th century.
Today, as in the past, racial oppression is not just a surface-level feature of this society, but rather pervades, permeates, and interconnects all major social groups, networks, and institutions across the society.
Feagin's definition stands in sharp contrast to psychological definitions that assume racism is an "attitude" or an irrational form of bigotry that exists apart from the organization of social structure.
You didn't have to do all of that typing. All you had to do was ask him to point out all the black people who were racist in the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries. It would show how absurd and dangerously inaccurate that definition of racism is and how it is meant to cause confusion. Just ask him to point out the date on a calendar where black people as a group or individuals started to become racist as it (racism) is solely the invention of white people.
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Ammunition in the future from Gus:
Racism is not a feeling or thought, it is an action. Racism is about mistreating people based on skin color. If racism was just white people feeling or thinking black and other non-white people were inferior, we wouldn't have much of a problem. I don't care how white people feel about me. It's not how they think or feel that I have a problem with, it's what they do (emphasis mine).
Many white people who reside in the US feel they are superior to the white people who reside in Canada. So what? There's no system of mistreatment to terrorize white Canadians. This sort of thing, providing terms like racism with inaccurate definitions, is done to minimize and obfuscate. White people are so slick at this that you now have black and other non-white people adopt these terms and definitions as gospel. It's not getting to the core of what white people are actively and deliberately engaged in against black people and non-white people worldwide. It's why you have to come up with more accurate definitions for these terms to reveal truth.
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Only whites can stop racism but that requires being self aware and honest. Here in the USA whites love to delude themselves about reality. It is their invention that has been imported all over the planet.
So racism was created by some super hero or something?
white people created racism
Why can't we as black people destroy it?
Because we dont have the savagery
in our hearts to wipe out a whole race of people..
How else can you destroy racism?
do you think the very people that created this system,
along with biological, and psychological warfare that they
waged against us since slavery that many foolishly believe doesnt
exist....
they would sit back and say... them negros sure doing a find job wiping out our racism...
we would have to do to them what they done to us, they know it, you know it and I know it...
that shit aint gonna happen today...
and its the reason we stay exploited...
its hard to kill that which came from you!!
The only way to win is not to play.
I think as a people, we have lost knowledge of self. Look at the many times in history where we not only shunned acceptance from white society, we flat out didn't need it. What happened in those times whether during the Harlem Renaissance, or instances like Tulsa Oklahoma Black Wall Street as it were, we thrived and prospered without need of the white man. In this day and age, if we were to pull something like that off, with all the social media coverage and internet, they wouldn't be able to so blatantly interfere with these constructions without a vicious backlash. I say if you can't beat them, don't play their game. Make your own. We don't have to buy into the helplessness that they have sold us. Instead realize your greatness and together we can have a chance at a better future. Support black business and ideas. Encourage each other not to "hate" but empower one another. It's hard. I was walking down the street yesterday in lieu of the shooting here in NY, and some white ass hole yelled in my face "THERE IS A BLACK PERSON, QUICK CALL THE COPS". I don't want to convince someone with that lack of intelligence that they're wrong. I only need the people I care about to be OK. And that should be our collective mantra.
I think as a people, we have lost knowledge of self. Look at the many times in history where we not only shunned acceptance from white society, we flat out didn't need it. What happened in those times whether during the Harlem Renaissance, or instances like Tulsa Oklahoma Black Wall Street as it were, we thrived and prospered without need of the white man. In this day and age, if we were to pull something like that off, with all the social media coverage and internet, they wouldn't be able to so blatantly interfere with these constructions without a vicious backlash. I say if you can't beat them, don't play their game. Make your own. We don't have to buy into the helplessness that they have sold us. Instead realize your greatness and together we can have a chance at a better future. Support black business and ideas. Encourage each other not to "hate" but empower one another. It's hard. I was walking down the street yesterday in lieu of the shooting here in NY, and some white ass hole yelled in my face "THERE IS A BLACK PERSON, QUICK CALL THE COPS". I don't want to convince someone with that lack of intelligence that they're wrong. I only need the people I care about to be OK. And that should be our collective mantra.
The only way to stop racism is to empower ourselves
both economically and politically. Once you controll
your resources and finance, they wont fuck with you.
Seem ya have forgotten how whites treated and practised
racism on chinese
and other asian people. But chinese have empowered themselves
and now are a superpower to count with and much respected so.
And suddenly racism against them is no longer.
We just need to wake up. Its goinh to be a tough road but
we have no choice and when i say we i mean all people
of African descent on this planet. In south Africa they have just
started the struggle against white domination and its the EFF
lead by Julius Malema who is strongly for economic freedom
and throwing out white domination. Check out his speechs on
youtube. A young Thomas Sankara in making.
both economically and politically. Once you controll
your resources and finance, they wont fuck with you.
Seem ya have forgotten how whites treated and practised
racism on chinese
and other asian people. But chinese have empowered themselves
and now are a superpower to count with and much respected so.
And suddenly racism against them is no longer.
We just need to wake up. Its goinh to be a tough road but
we have no choice and when i say we i mean all people
of African descent on this planet. In south Africa they have just
started the struggle against white domination and its the EFF
lead by Julius Malema who is strongly for economic freedom
and throwing out white domination. Check out his speechs on
youtube. A young Thomas Sankara in making.
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