How many generations in hip hop? If Rakim Is 3rd Generation MC Then What Generation Are We In 2017?

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The first generation of rappers would be the party rockers in the mid 70s
The second generation would be the early signed rappers (sugar hill gang, kurtis blow etc) of the early 80s
The 3rd gen would be run dmc, llcool j, rakim etc in the mid 80s

or is there another way to count generations??
Wait what. I took rakim as 2nd gen. First was treacherous 3 breakdancing and graffiti.
And this would be 4th gen
 
How the hell are y’all splitting these generations. To me there are power shifts within a generation. Street rap(gangster rap) which includes hustlers ,gangster , pimps reigned from 90s -2009 ish. That’s one generation.
All crack era influenced.

Maybe y’all are referring to eras in rap
 
I appreciate the layout of this, but having B.I.G and Craig Mack in the 05-09 category is a lot more than just simple "overlap". Who wrote this?

I did...with an update or two.

And you might have a point. I thought on it some & I think I might need to add an appendix of sorts. One, to acknowledge the forerunners of the next Era & two, to be more detailed on the influence of hip-hop in each era. Also, I feel that each era “ended” with a battle, but after the Hip-Pop Era, I’m losing that connection.

That might clear some of the confusion...it is still a work in progress so all questions, challenges & arguments are welcome.
 
I did...with an update or two.

And you might have a point. I thought on it some & I think I might need to add an appendix of sorts. One, to acknowledge the forerunners of the next Era & two, to be more detailed on the influence of hip-hop in each era. Also, I feel that each era “ended” with a battle, but after the Hip-Pop Era, I’m losing that connection.

That might clear some of the confusion...it is still a work in progress so all questions, challenges & arguments are welcome.
Are you equating generations to eras. Cause I think eras can exist within a generation.
 
I did...with an update or two.

And you might have a point. I thought on it some & I think I might need to add an appendix of sorts. One, to acknowledge the forerunners of the next Era & two, to be more detailed on the influence of hip-hop in each era. Also, I feel that each era “ended” with a battle, but after the Hip-Pop Era, I’m losing that connection.

That might clear some of the confusion...it is still a work in progress so all questions, challenges & arguments are welcome.

It's a pretty good starting point, thanks for sharing it. It needs to be tightened up though. There's no way Nas and Tip should be in the same era. Puff's No Way Out came out in '97, which is pretty much the tentpole for the Shiny Shit era...that's where your "Money" era would be if I'm reading this right. (Jay and Jermaine Dupri's Money Aint' A Thang came out a year later.)


Your Gangsta Era really should be followed by the Money Grab Era(your Hip Pop category), truth be told. The Southern Era overlaps with/takes hold after that.
 
Are you equating generations to eras. Cause I think eras can exist within a generation.

I’m not. A generation would be more so for the entirety of hip-hop, not just rap individually.

For example, Teddy Riley & the New Jack Swing defines a generation. But in the corse of rap, it’s just a subgenre of that era.

Leastwise how I see it...
 

I was finna argue this but that sparked an interesting change. The pioneering generation rhymed over the entire dated record or hired musicians. The 2nd gen used drum machines and synths. The Planet Rock single ushered that sound. The 3rd gen were sample heavy credit to Marley Marl.
cool observation
 
It's a pretty good starting point, thanks for sharing it. It needs to be tightened up though. There's no way Nas and Tip should be in the same era. Puff's No Way Out came out in '97, which is pretty much the tentpole for the Shiny Shit era...that's where your "Money" era would be if I'm reading this right. (Jay and Jermaine Dupri's Money Aint' A Thang came out a year later.)


Your Gangsta Era really should be followed by the Money Grab Era(your Hip Pop category), truth be told. The Southern Era overlaps with/takes hold after that.

Re-reading everything, I’m more inclined to do the following:

-Change the Alternative Hip-Hop Era to the New School Era, as that accommodates all the artists that were around at that time.

-Merging the Southern & Money Era & redefining their impact by the coasts.

Just some things that’s on my mind...
 
Re-reading everything, I’m more inclined to do the following:

-Change the Alternative Hip-Hop Era to the New School Era, as that accommodates all the artists that were around at that time.

-Merging the Southern & Money Era & redefining their impact by the coasts.

Just some things that’s on my mind...

Changed my mind again....

The Money Era is going to be moved to right after the Hip-Pop Era. That way, the continuation of excess that defined that era & its artists can continue. Will also change the dates for that Era to 1995-2005.

The Southern Era will co-exist throughout most of that time & tell the Southern side of the Era. Dates are probably 2000-2007 or so.

That changes the Trap Era to start in 2007.

Still a work in progress...
 
Wait what. I took rakim as 2nd gen. First was treacherous 3 breakdancing and graffiti.
And this would be 4th gen
1st Gen-The Party Rocker Era (1974-1978)-DJ Hollywood, King Tim III, Lovebug Starski & other cats started hip hop in the parks in this era. Rap was more about catch phrases than lyrics then. Breakbeats, and the DJ's that played them, were the background to this era.

2nd Gen-The Electro Era(1978-1980)-Cats like Mantronix, Newcleus & Jam Pony Express started getting into electronic instrumentation & using that to define their music. Rappers began to move past the catchphrase style to lyrics. Beats became stotic, as the TR-808 had a hell of a time replicating a true drum pattern.

3rd Gen: The B-Boy Era(1980-1987): This is the era that rap as we know it truly began. The Run-DMC & LL Cool J style dominated, with lyrics becoming more complex but still a callback to the catchphrase style. The music became more detailed, with the thudding TR-808 beats backed by the EnSonic keyboards & samples galore.

4th Gen: The Bragging Era (1987-1989): This era is where the Kane, Kool G. Rap & Rakim come in. The DJ ceases to be the center of the party & the MC is now dominant. Lyrics become extremely complex, with multis, metaphors & details that rival the deepest poems & stories. The music doesn't change too much, however, with samples of James Brown's records creating the soundscape of many, if not all, of these songs.

5th Gen: The Alternative Hip-Hop Era(1989-1996): The lyrics & influence of groups such as the NOI & the Zulu Nation, along with a growing consciousness of Afrikan culture due to media exposure creates this era. Cats like KMD, Poor Righetous Teachers, X-Clan, BDP & others push the lyrics to the reality of ghetto life & the blackness of hip hop itself. Samples from jazz, disco, spoken words & other genres began to show up, along with the art of chopping up a song (mastered by DJs like Premier & Evil Dee). As the sampler's memory grows, so does the backdrop of music that can be painted in this era.

6th Gen: The Gangsta Era (1994-1998): In the midst of the Alternative Hip-Hop Era, the West Coast moved forward, taking the funk of George Clinton & the Bragging Era & created their own version of hip-hop, based on their enviroment. First called Reality Rap, once NWA set the fire, the blaze created a wave of gangstas that met & surpassed the
Alternative Hip-Hop Era. Rappers like Snoop Dogg, Warren G., Ice Cube & others slowed down the flow but still kept the rhymes complex while telling their stories.

7th Gen: The Hip-Pop Era (1998-2001): The popularity of Gangsta rap, due to George Clinton's funk (IMHO), created an economic boom. The economic boom had a side effect, however....now, everyone & their momma wanted to be rappers. The marketplace supported it but in return, the lyrics were either simplified or exaggerated for the appetite of a larger audience. This lead to artists merging their form of music with rap, such as rap-rock icons Limp Bizkit & Korn, trip-hop artists like Portishead, pop-lite acts with bars like LFO & LEN or straight alternative like Gorillaz. The authentic rappers were still around (see WC, MC Eiht) but either chose to ride the wave to riches (Coolio), keep it authentic & stay typecasted (MC Ren) or change their styles to something a little more lyrical to stand out (Ras Kass, Ahmad, Souls of Mischief, The Pharcyde).

8th Gen: The Southern Era (2000-2005): In the wake of the Hip-Pop Era, the South stood quiet, building on the funk of the west & the lyricism of the East, mashing it up into a hybrid that started the Southern Era. Held together by country bonds & backed by a independent hustle that guaranteed wealth before even sniffing the mainstream, cats like No Limit, Cash Money, Suave House & the Texas movement freed them from the compromise of a record label...which they were now able to meet on equal terms with their own style. UGK, Master P, Scarface, Vell Barkardy, Mike Jones & more all put out music that sold, due to not being shoeboxed in & because it was their reality rap with just a little bit of gangsta in it.

9th Gen: The Money Era (2005-2009): Samples have always been a major part of hip-hop & rap. However, when producers decided to push the envelope of sampling from just a piece of G-Funk to an entire song's backing, you get a popular hit re purposed for the now. Puffy & Jermaine Dupri jumped on this bandwagon, seeing the hole that the West & South left open & converting it for East Coast ears by having lyricists spit the hardest of bars against the music's bouncy flows. Taking the offbeat Southern cadence, along with the reality raps that the West Coast perfected, artists such as Biggie Smalls, Craig Mack, Bow Wow, Da Brat, Nelly, Nas, T.I. & others followed this blueprint to fame & fortune.

10th Gen: The Trap Era (2010-2014): Music is universal, as is drug use. When the drug of a music culture crosses over to another, it completely alters the entire format of the genre. Rap music, by this time, had diversified itself amongst all the different genres. To be honest, every genre had a rap variant to it. However, the Money Era's lust for nepotism, along with the Southern Era's support base consisting of strip clubs & hole in the walls, created an opening for a new drug to take way: lean. Lean slows everything down....due to that, the music sloooooooowed down & the lyrics followed along. Molly followed soon after, coming from the grime/rave/trip-hop subculture that ran parallel with hip-hop ascendancy. Beats became slow & plodding, lyrics became simpler yet more direct & a number of variants was formed from local cities pushing their specific culture into the music (drill music, mumble rap). Artists like Future, Chief Keef, Wacka Flocka Flame & others define this era.

11th Gen: Now (nothing sticks out yet) (2014- ): So far, it seems that the music of the Trap Era is waking up & retaking lyricism. Beats are still slow & plodding, but the instrumentation behind them isn't. Cats like Migos & Rae Sremurred are the standards, so far.

Please note a few things:

A lot of these eras blend into one another. I'm aware of that.

Also, I am aware that not everyone is doing the predominant music of the era. The era is defined by the artists that are the rule, not the exception. So, even though Kendrick Lamar is dominant in the Trap Era, he is not the exception. Same thing goes for J. Cole in the Trap Era, etc.
Great in-depth analysis.in my humble point of view. However, Electro came around that early 1982 era groups like Man Parrish that BBoys loved to dance to Mantronix came out around 1985 Planet Rock around 1982. Also, electro was a sub niche cause you had more of the Treacherous 3, love big starski, spoonie gee,Crash Crew funky four plus one,sequence type of party raps mix with bragging. You had a sprinkle of reality "times are hard " raps to but mostly disco beats

To go back a bit, Kurtis Blow I think the first rapper to be considered a superstar as a solo artist and going gold album sales at the time. However, he explains that it started with break beats like James Brown and stuff that BBoys breakdancing would dance too. To elaborate on that MC's first generation used disco beats to mostly hype the crowd. I'll explain it bit...



Far as mc's was mainly crowd motivator (move the crowd get elthem hype) and bragging type of raps about ,"how nice I am" and "I'm the ladies choice " type of topics mainly late 1970's early 80's.
However DJ Hollywood "crowd motivator" talking to the crowd getting them hype was popular too over reco beats 1970's type of MC's

Like around 1981 cold crush brothers
Busy Bee vs Kool Moe Dee was changing of the guard to (in my opinion) became perhaps the first new school generation case Moe Dee and his style back then used mor vocabulary and more direct bars and Busy Bee, style rap flow starting to wane.
Can't forget groups and dj,mc,'s and break dancers Rock Steady Crew, like Funky Four Plus One, Grand Wizard Theodore and hundreds of others . You had Latino dudes like DJ Mario, DJ disco wiz,dj charlie chase who was Cold Crush Brothers DJ.



Too many too many old school to mentioned. Of course the one you mentioned as well as the other folks that posted on this board.

I'm jumping around but things start to get very lyrical in mid 86/87.
Folks were using the word "new school" at that time. I'm in a hurry but good thread I'll let the more seasoned hip hop heads provide the how many generations MC conversation.
 
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Changed my mind again....

The Money Era is going to be moved to right after the Hip-Pop Era. That way, the continuation of excess that defined that era & its artists can continue. Will also change the dates for that Era to 1995-2005.

The Southern Era will co-exist throughout most of that time & tell the Southern side of the Era. Dates are probably 2000-2007 or so.

That changes the Trap Era to start in 2007.

Still a work in progress...
The southern hip hop era really blossomed in mid 1980's when many places in the south mostly Florida, Atlanta type of places.
It was a strong movement.
They embraced the electronic electro style with bass heavy music rapping over those beats left over from the Planet Rock type of Electro Hip Hop movement era when electro faded away in NY.and bass era put their spin on electro/electronic beats and catering to ass shaking party crowds calling it Bass Music. Although they weren't lyrical or lyricist in their raps, it still was a hip hop genre. People like MC SHY D, 2 Live Crew type of groups existed at that time.

That style of hip hop was frown upon up north but still it was a hip hop genre. Luke from 2 Live Crew paid his dues fighting the whole censorship attacking hip hop music. Luke fought and won in the Supreme Court fighting censorship.
 
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