How do you beat a recession???

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How to beat a recession


There has been a lot of good threads on the state of the economy etc (shout out to Deuterion).......

If there is a coming recession and ................

Let's say you have some saving denominated in US dollars.

A mortage that is 35% of your income on a home you purchased 2 years ago.

A car payment.



How do you minimize the impact of or beat a recession?


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I would really like to know this myself, I think step 1 would be not for you to loose your job and keep yourself marketable
 
DOn't sell your stocks, just ride it out. As far as your home, you can refinance and reinvest the difference in CDs or other venues with guaranteed returns instead of spending it. Other than that I don't know
 
DOn't sell your stocks, just ride it out. As far as your home, you can refinance and reinvest the difference in CDs or other venues with guaranteed returns instead of spending it. Other than that I don't know


There is no riding out for stocks.

In a recession there are massive layoffs => unemployed people who cannot spend what they have, the remaining workers stop spending as much leading to lower profits for companies, leading to more layoffs to cut costs.............back to square 1.


If banks are going to re-finance, do you think they would lower or raise their interest rates? Maybe even lengthen the term of the mortgages........ make you have to work till you are 70yrs to pay it off???
 
personal opinion: play small ball until the storm passes-

-eliminate personal debt outside of a mtg and a car - and get the car paid off asap
-maximize your value at work (by getting the skills you need to move on eventually...even if you don't you'll still get to keep the skills)
-if you are in a mortgage situation, hang on (if you can) via refinancing - not the time to sell - estimate 2009 at the earliest before the housing crisis begins to ease
-the bling era is over...buy things because you love them, not to impress (tall order)

-buying assets that appreciate, etc. is nice in concept but most are trying to get to 'zero' from negative territory...first priority is to get one's house in order, before the 'investing' phase begins
 
As far as investing goes, diversify! Buy overseas, look for some good Asset Allocation mutual funds with strong historic performance and fund managers with a great track record. The easiest way to buy overseas is with a strong mutual fund in emerging markets sector. There are some that buy into large cap companies that were up as much as 28% last year. Also look to get in and right back out of the China market while it's hot. I think it will come way down before too long but it still has a little life left. Lastly, assess your current employment situation, look at the strenght of your company, what type of sector is it in, if you need to make moves now then make them because the only thing worse than a recession is being layed off in the middle of one.
 
personal opinion: play small ball until the storm passes-

-eliminate personal debt outside of a mtg and a car - and get the car paid off asap
-maximize your value at work (by getting the skills you need to move on eventually...even if you don't you'll still get to keep the skills)
-if you are in a mortgage situation, hang on (if you can) via refinancing - not the time to sell - estimate 2009 at the earliest before the housing crisis begins to ease
-the bling era is over...buy things because you love them, not to impress (tall order)

-buying assets that appreciate, etc. is nice in concept but most are trying to get to 'zero' from negative territory...first priority is to get one's house in order, before the 'investing' phase begins
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personal opinion: play small ball until the storm passes-

-eliminate personal debt outside of a mtg and a car - and get the car paid off asap
-maximize your value at work (by getting the skills you need to move on eventually...even if you don't you'll still get to keep the skills)
-if you are in a mortgage situation, hang on (if you can) via refinancing - not the time to sell - estimate 2009 at the earliest before the housing crisis begins to ease
-the bling era is over...buy things because you NEED them, not to impress (tall order)

-buying assets that appreciate, etc. is nice in concept but most are trying to get to 'zero' from negative territory...first priority is to get one's house in order, before the 'investing' phase begins

*inserted the word, "need" in there... but good luck with that one.

as you know, women are attracted to all that "shiny" new shit, and since women will continue to dominate the PUSSY MARKET by maintaining 100% of this valuable ASSest, niccas will continue to squander their earnings AND savings in an effort to attract the female.

that's pussy economics outside the pimp game.
 
I don't see where there is any quick fix, because this has to do with habits. If you have bad spending habits and you don't save/invest wisely as the norm, you're going to get hammered regardless of whatever stopgap measure you try to shove in place at the 11th hour.
 
YOOOO! What up E.

Nice to see a brotha doing his thing. I haven't been on bgol as frequent . . . busy trying build and prepare for the forthcoming !:eek:DEPRESSION (worst case scenario). Actually, I've been working on that for a few years now. ESPecially since I read a financial article couple years back stating that Warren Buffet exchanged most or a great deal of his monies into Euros.

That aside, when're you gonna hit us with that Black African gold my friend?:yes:

Looking forward to you posting the hotness, (info, art, babes, etc.)

Peace, prosperity

JG
 
[Be afraid, be very afraid of what the crash of the dollar will mean to the United States and to your personal finances, although some hedging can be acquired by investing in precious metals. This story explains in understandable terms the dollar’s devaluation and the seemingly infinite fiat currency shell game that centralized financial systems have been playing and will continue to play until the only light in a darkened room will be the one that says, “Game Over”.—CB]

Dollar Decline Blues

By Jamey Hecht, Ph.D.​

© Copyright 2006, From The Wilderness Publications, www.fromthewilderness.com. All Rights Reserved. This story may NOT be posted on any Internet web site without express written permission. Contact admin@copvcia.com. May be circulated, distributed or transmitted for non-profit purposes only.​

Orthodox economic theory cannot explain the shrinking of American industrial activity nor the transformation of the United States into a country whose specialty is consumption and one that relies on foreign imports to carry out that role. However, an imperial model of the Roman type does allow one to understand this process, namely as the economic consequences of a specific political and military organization.

Emmanuel Todd, After the Empire: The Breakdown of the American Order (66)
August 25th 2006, 3:12PM [PST] -



The U.S. economy is barreling downhill.



Consider these three charts. In the first one, “U.S. Trade in Goods and Services: Balance of Payments,” the only important columns are the first two on the left: “year” and “total.”



As your eye moves down the chart, the values (in millions of dollars) move up and down in a wave pattern, with the negative numbers getting very large in the late 1980’s and the late 1990’s.



But then the real trouble starts, and the turn of the millennium marks a new acceleration in the trade gap.



We consume far more than we produce.
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So the U.S. is not bringing in much foreign money through the international trade of real goods and services. Then where does our money come from? We borrow it:

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The Fed prints it up from nothing (and loans it to the Treasury, at interest):

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Other countries buy U.S. debt, in the form of Treasury Bills, for several reasons:
  • To protect their own currencies from “speculative attack” by large U.S. investors. George Soros crashed the British pound in 1992 with such an attack. You buy up a huge quantity of the victim’s currency, pulling it off the market and making it scarce and therefore more valuable. Then you dump it all back onto the market at that higher value, reaping a large profit while driving the value down again. If a country’s central banks hold enough dollars, other holders of dollars will be reluctant to crash that country’s currency, since it has enough dollars to dump on the market in retaliation. And if the country’s own currency weakens to an uncomfortable point, it can use its dollar reserves to pull some of its own currency off the market, driving its value back up.
  • To preserve the value of the huge dollar reserves they’re already stuck with




China wants its own currency to remain weak and cheap so that consumers in the U.S. and elsewhere will be able to afford Chinese exports priced in yuan.



If a widget costs 1 yuan, a weak yuan means a cheaper widget. And the cheaper the Chinese widgets on the shelves of Wal-Mart and Target, the more of them will get consumed, and the more of them will be produced.



But that enriches the Chinese, hastening the day when they will achieve enough individual income per capita to afford the fruits of their own labor.


At that point, it will no longer be crucial to the Chinese interest to have a cash-liquid America clamoring to buy Chinese goods.





Until then, however, the economies of the big holders of U.S. Treasuries, especially China, Japan, and South Korea, need to make sure America has a pocketful of dollars with which to pay for their exports.



By purchasing U.S. debt, they are loaning money to Uncle Sam so that he can keep paying for what they sell to him.






That’s perverse, since it amounts to an admission that this “debt” is really a permanent structural relationship, not an outstanding loan that might ever be repaid.





From the American side, the weak dollar is supposed to make U.S. exports attractively inexpensive, narrowing the trade deficit.



But while the dollar continues to weaken, the trade deficit just keeps growing (with minor fluctuations).



That may have less to do with the competitiveness of American prices, and more to do with an outright lack of American goods.


That’s especially inconvenient at home, because the imported goods on our shelves become more expensive as the dollar weakens, and there aren’t enough domestically manufactured goods available as alternatives.





As you might expect, the rightist / libertarian Cato Institute takes issue with this picture:
Some argue our large trade deficit (or current account deficit) is responsible for the fall in the dollar’s value. They have it backward. It is the flow of foreign investment dollars (the capital account) into the U.S. economy that drives the trade deficit. The U.S. economy’s higher return on capital than Europe or Japan for the last 20 years caused private foreign investors to buy U.S. stocks and bonds and other assets. In addition, foreign governments, particularly of China, Japan and other Asian states, have steadily increased their purchases of U.S. dollars as reserve backing for their own currencies.



Let’s hear that again: “It is the flow of foreign investment dollars (the capital account) into the U.S. economy that drives the trade deficit.”



So the U.S. is able to afford foreign imports because foreign investors lend us the money. Cool!



Why do they do it?



“The U.S. economy’s higher return on capital than Europe or Japan for the last 20 years caused private foreign investors to buy U.S. stocks and bonds and other assets.”



Yes, but that “higher return on capital” is dependent on an expanding manufacturing infrastructure which is choking on high commodity prices (for copper, iron, cement, etc.) and on productivity growth, which has stagnated.



Today the productivity growth rate of the U.S. is around 1.8%, while China’s figure has averaged 8.7% per year since 2000.





Emmanuel Todd agrees:
European investors lost billions in the US during the nineties, but the US economy lost an entire decade. As recently as 1990 the US was still exporting $35 billion more in advanced technology than it was importing. Now the balance of trade is negative even in this field. The US is far behind in mobile communications technology. The Finnish Nokia is four times the size of Motorola. More than half the communications satellites are being launched with European Ariane rockets. Airbus is about to surpass Boeing -- the most important transportation medium for personnel traffic in the modern global economy is about to be manufactured primarily in Europe.
“The Conceited Empire, “ The Dominion, July 26, 2003​








As the military adventurism of the United States alienates the world’s peoples, families, investors, and governments, it will become more and more attractive for them to endure the economic hardship of a dollar collapse if that will buy them a new freedom from dollar hegemony.



Already it is increasingly possible to buy oil without the U.S. dollar.



Soon it may be possible to operate the world financial system without the ocean of greenbacks currently draining into the great black hole of history.





http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/082506_dollar_decline.shtml
 
^^^

What up John Gault.

I'm in Istanbul now... I'm trying to change my return flight to Brasil so that I come back at the end of November..If I can do that, I would spend 2 additional weeks in africa as I flight out of here back to Africa for my return flight from Cape Town in a few days.. thus... I will have more stuff to post about Africa... that is the only reason I haven't made my post yet..man..I've got lots of photos, thoughts, etc to post about the motherland man...

yeah.and Warren Buffet has been giving warnings for years...not just in articles..like you said..he has actively been investing BIG in foreign currencies..banking on the fact that the Dollar would continue to lost value....and how often is Buffet wrong?
 
Does anyone remember back after the 2000 election, there was a photo op meeting with Clinton and Bush? A reporter asked them about the possiblity of a upcoming recession, Clinton immediately starting talking about the fed and the monetary policy to stop or prevent the recession while Bush stood there with the deer lost in the headlight look. He was clearly clueless.
 
Does anyone remember back after the 2000 election, there was a photo op meeting with Clinton and Bush? A reporter asked them about the possiblity of a upcoming recession, Clinton immediately starting talking about the fed and the monetary policy to stop or prevent the recession while Bush stood there with the deer lost in the headlight look. He was clearly clueless.






Have you ever seen Manchurian Candidate????? (the movie)


:smh::smh::smh:
 
How do you beat a recession?

Sell them damn spinnin rims. Pull them gottdam tvs out the back of your carseats. Pull out them gold fronts. It's gon be a LOT of so-called ballers walkin round lookin stupid in a minute. Niggas walkin round wearin APE shoes, BAPE's they done worn the B off them mufuckas. Fiddin ta get back to basics in this bitch. Ramen noodles and peanut butter and jelly.

Shit's gonna be lovely tho. Playstation 3's in the pawn shop for $75, mint condition. Strip clubs wit $1 table dances. Yall ready?:lol:
 
*inserted the word, "need" in there... but good luck with that one.

as you know, women are attracted to all that "shiny" new shit, and since women will continue to dominate the PUSSY MARKET by maintaining 100% of this valuable ASSest, niccas will continue to squander their earnings AND savings in an effort to attract the female.

that's pussy economics outside the pimp game.

...no, the word 'love' was put in there intentionally...to use the word 'need' is to impose restriction and the barest of minimums...and the reality is, most ppl are not willing to do that on a continuous basis, besides...who determines what is 'needed'? one man's need is another man's waste/extravagance

instead, personal economics is all about...can i get the things i want (which would include taking care of family, setting aside for 'retirement', etc.) with a given set of resources?

at the end of the day...it comes down to choices

i made the decision to roll with a few things that i love rather than the many things that just leaves me neutral/numb...that's why i use the word love...it's not literal...a wise man once said 'don't love anything that can't love you back' so it's not about object worship...it's about the return on your resources...not always in a material sense...more a quality of life...for the time and life energy that i'm putting in, what am i getting back?

so...regardless of the economy...choices are mine to make...and i live with them (believe me, that includes plenty of mistakes in the mix)

as far as the pussy angle...while i agree that women are attracted to strength (which could be displayed in a number of ways, including 'shiny shit')...we as men have the choice on how we view pussy...again, choice...to put it on a pedestal, or as the song says, to really know that 'a fair exchange ain't a robbery' and act accordingly

a black man (any man for that matter, but especially a black man) who has his shit together AT ANY LEVEL can write his own ticket, period.

a cat that's focused on his mission in life, healthy, and going places?...sheyiiiiit, that's a train that quite frankly, a lot of people would like to get on.

but i digress...this is about 'beating' a recession.

personal economics, like politics or real estate, is local...i too tend to get caught up in the 'big stuff' w/o first sweeping my own front porch...human nature...of course, the global stuff ultimately affects me, but unless i get my own house in order first, the rest really doesn't matter.
 
How do you beat a recession?

Sell them damn spinnin rims. Pull them gottdam tvs out the back of your carseats. Pull out them gold fronts. It's gon be a LOT of so-called ballers walkin round lookin stupid in a minute. Niggas walkin round wearin APE shoes, BAPE's they done worn the B off them mufuckas. Fiddin ta get back to basics in this bitch. Ramen noodles and peanut butter and jelly.

Shit's gonna be lovely tho. Playstation 3's in the pawn shop for $75, mint condition. Strip clubs wit $1 table dances. Yall ready?:lol:

:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

and the price of pussy will fall DRAMATICALLY as well.

at the end of the day...it comes down to choices

i made the decision to roll with a few things that i love rather than the many things that just leaves me neutral/numb...that's why i use the word love...it's not literal...a wise man once said 'don't love anything that can't love you back' so it's not about object worship...it's about the return on your resources...not always in a material sense...more a quality of life...for the time and life energy that i'm putting in, what am i getting back?

so...regardless of the economy...choices are mine to make...and i live with them (believe me, that includes plenty of mistakes in the mix)

as far as the pussy angle...while i agree that women are attracted to strength (which could be displayed in a number of ways, including 'shiny shit')...we as men have the choice on how we view pussy...again, choice...to put it on a pedestal, or as the song says, to really know that 'a fair exchange ain't a robbery' and act accordingly

a black man (any man for that matter, but especially a black man) who has his shit together AT ANY LEVEL can write his own ticket, period.

a cat that's focused on his mission in life, healthy, and going places?...sheyiiiiit, that's a train that quite frankly, a lot of people would like to get on.

but i digress...this is about 'beating' a recession.

personal economics, like politics or real estate, is local...i too tend to get caught up in the 'big stuff' w/o first sweeping my own front porch...human nature...of course, the global stuff ultimately affects me, but unless i get my own house in order first, the rest really doesn't matter.

i think you have to start with establishing savings. then, you begin cutting-out a few "want" items and instead you begin ONLY buying "NEED" items.

right now, the price of gas is fucking killing me.
 
Citigroup planning major job cuts



CNBC: No numbers set, but as many as 45,000 workers could lose their jobs
MSNBC News Services
updated 9:29 a.m. PT, Mon., Nov. 26, 2007



NEW YORK - Citigroup Inc., bracing for big credit-related losses in the fourth quarter, is looking to cut costs with another round of job cuts, according to CNBC.


CNBC reported Monday that "massive" layoffs were planned. Though exact numbers had not yet been set, the total job cut could be as many as 45,000, CNBC reported. Citigroup currently has about 320,000 employees.


"We are engaged in a planning process in anticipation of our new CEO, and our business heads are planning ways in which we can be more efficient and cost-effective to position our businesses in line with economic realities," said Citi spokeswoman Shannon Bell told the Associated Press.

Citi said in April that it would eliminate 17,000 jobs as part of a broad restructuring designed to cut costs, which at the time was about 5 percent of its work force.


The additional layoffs would come as Citi wrestles with asset write downs and looks for a new chief executive officer.



Former CEO Charles Prince resigned on Nov. 4, the same day Citi said it may write off this quarter $11 billion of assets linked to subprime mortgages.


In the third quarter, Citi's subprime mortgages and its exposure to financial instruments tied to those mortgages led to a loss of about $6.5 billion.


Prince was replaced as chairman by former Treasury Secretary Robert E. Rubin and as interim CEO by Sir Win Bischoff, chairman of Citi Europe who has said he doesn't want the job permanently.


Prince hasn't been the only Citigroup executive to leave the bank since it warned of big losses in early October.


Tom Maheras, co-CEO of investment banking, and Randy Barker, head of fixed income trading, left in mid-October when Vikram Pandit was promoted to lead a unit that combined the markets and banking segment with alternative investments.



Pandit had been put in charge of alternative investments in the spring when Citigroup bought the hedge fund he co-founded.


And nearly two weeks after Prince's resignation, chief risk officer Dave Bushnell announced his retirement.



Bushnell was a 22-year Citi veteran whom Prince promoted to chief administrative officer in September, saying he would only be senior risk officer for a "transitional period of time."



Jorge A. Bermudez, who has been with Citi for 30 years, took Bushnell's place.
© 2007 MSNBC Interactive
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21975262/




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STOP OVERSPENDING ON SHIT YOU DONT NEED

:smh:

This recession is LIGHT YEARS beyond people buying shit they can't afford. Unless you're talking about the US Trade deficit, worthless bonds, absolutely fucked trade policies like NAFTA, CAFTA.


Its called blowback
 
If your worried about protecting your financial portfolio i would suggest the first thing you do is bring your debt down. If you haven't started already then you're behind.

The second thing is move your vulnerable stocks into safer areas. if you can stand the price get into gold first, if not then silver. The general public hasn't to a large extent "found" silver. It's cheap now but rising slowly. Once the shit hits the fan expect the public to get into silver big time and the price will rise but you'll have a position near the lows and can say CHA CHING! when the price rises.

Diversify into the so called recession proof industries such as:

1. Basic consumer commodities- Procter and Gamble comes to mind as a company thats well positioned and they started buying back their stock a few months ago. Thats a big hint as to what they think is gonna happen.
A short list of products they make:
Always feminine hygiene
Bounty
Braun small appliances
Charmin
Crest toothpaste and Oral B toothbrushes
Dawn dishwashing liquid
Duracell batteries
folgers
Gillette
Pampers
Tide detergent and Downy fabric softener
They also are into pharmaceuticals and movie productions plus other shit

2.The medical industry in general
3.Oil, Gas,and electric generation including the industries that service them.
4. Breweries and Distilleries- Alcohol consumption goes up during rough times
5. damn I almost forgot the security industry- Rent-a-cops and alarm systems

There are more sectors of the economy that do well during a recession but I cant recall them now. I'm just relaying what I have done to position myself domestically ahead of the storm and make some money.
 
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If your worried about protecting your financial portfolio i would suggest the first thing you do is bring your debt down. If you haven't started already then you're behind.

The second thing is move your vulnerable stocks into safer areas. if you can stand the price get into gold first, if not then silver. The general public hasn't to a large extent "found" silver. It's cheap now but rising slowly. Once the shit hits the fan expect the public to get into silver big time and the price will rise but you'll have a position near the lows and can say CHA CHING! when the price rises.

Diversify into the so called recession proof industries such as:

1. Basic consumer commodities- Proctor and Gamble comes to mind as a company thats well positioned and they started buying back their stock a few months ago. Thats a big hint as to what they think is gonna happen.
2.The medical industry in general
3.Oil, Gas,and electric generation including the industries that service them.
4. Breweries and Distilleries- Alcohol consumption goes up during rough times

There are more sectors of the economy that do well during a recession but I cant recall them now. I'm just relaying what I have done to position myself domestically ahead of the storm and make some money.


Thanks for those tips..........

Much appreciated. :yes::yes::yes:

Anymore gems from other BGOLers?
 
From this post, I have a general understanding of whats going down in the near future. I was planning on jumping into the stock market, and taking my chances of picking up some prospects cheap. My problem is, Im completely new to the stock market dealings. Who do you guys go through for your trades electronically? what books or readings(post) would you recommend?

I want to play some money in before shit really goes down hill. From what you guys are saying Proctor & Gamble and Silver seem to be good picks in the long run. Im ready to get down and do my home work, but seek thee advice of BGOL wisemen. :D

Im a young cat with no kids that can afford to take a gamble at THIS point.
 
From this post, I have a general understanding of whats going down in the near future. I was planning on jumping into the stock market, and taking my chances of picking up some prospects cheap. My problem is, Im completely new to the stock market dealings. Who do you guys go through for your trades electronically? what books or readings(post) would you recommend?

I want to play some money in before shit really goes down hill. From what you guys are saying Proctor & Gamble and Silver seem to be good picks in the long run. Im ready to get down and do my home work, but seek thee advice of BGOL wisemen. :D

Im a young cat with no kids that can afford to take a gamble at THIS point.



I use www.tdameritrade.com

Didn't read a book but I check out mad money with Cramer, read articles etc....
 
STOP OVERSPENDING ON SHIT YOU DONT NEED

:yes::yes::yes:


I have cut off so many simps cause these dumb fucks don't get it. The bling era is over. And any bitch that wants you to spend money on her, don't.

We already know that the music videos is riddled with rented and borrowed shit.

Here's a clue. The rich stay rich cause they don't waste their fucking money. It is hard as hell to get a dollar out of a rich persons hand. They treat every dam penny like its their last. But easy as fuck to get it out of the poor. They don't truly understand how money works.

Invest and don't digress into the Bling bling stupidity.

House = investment, grows in value over time.

Car = losses of value over time.

I could go on, but I won't. You want to beat a recession. Be tight with your dough. If she ain't paying your bills Fuck a bitch if she call you cheap.
 
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