How did you score the Manny vs Juan 3 fight?

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I watched the fight again and it was a draw for me. I gave Manny round 1, 2, 6, 9, 10, and 12. It was a close ass fight. Juan just knows how to fight Manny. I can see how tough it was to score the fight. It was crazy seeing Manny struggle to be Manny. But that was cause he fought Juan. I really think people are so used to seeing Manny walk through people. This is just the first time in years to see him in a competitive fight. And seeing him in a fight like that for Manny looks worse than it really was. Great fight.
 
I had it 115-113 Marquez the second time I watched it. Upon review, it was a much closer fight than I originally had it.
 
Visitor Buk said:
I watched the fight again and it was a draw for me. I gave Manny round 1, 2, 6, 9, 10, and 12. It was a close ass fight. Juan just knows how to fight Manny. I can see how tough it was to score the fight. It was crazy seeing Manny struggle to be Manny. But that was cause he fought Juan. I really think people are so used to seeing Manny walk through people. This is just the first time in years to see him in a competitive fight. And seeing him in a fight like that for Manny looks worse than it really was. Great fight.
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Marquez won 8 rounds and Manny 4 rounds

Also we actually saw Manny struggle to be Manny against Shane and him struggling against Marquez shouldn't have been a surprise. I've told you for years now that Manny can't beat him and he didn't want the fight because he knew it.

All that evolving horse shit amounted to him adding hooks to his jabs and crosses. He still is a brawler with insane speed/power. All the weight, age, and natural ability advantages he has, he was beating with boxing skills. Oh and Marquez has been taking a lot more shots in recent years, but his chin wasn't worn down as the common theory around here would suggest.
 
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merce77 said:
I had it 115-113 Marquez the second time I watched it. Upon review, it was a much closer fight than I originally had it.
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Same for me. I had to watch it again. Honestly the hardest round to judge for me was round 1. But that is why I hate when fighters use it as a warm up round. Why give a round away?
 
Visitor Buk said:
Same for me. I had to watch it again. Honestly the hardest round to judge for me was round 1. But that is why I hate when fighters use it as a warm up round. Why give a round away?
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I gave that one to Manny, he was a little more active. The fight came down to Manny getting outboxed and Marquez controlling the pace and not letting Manny be Manny imo.
 
merce77 said:
I gave that one to Manny, he was a little more active. The fight came down to Manny getting outboxed and Marquez controlling the pace and not letting Manny be Manny imo.
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I had it a draw. The fight seemed more like Manny trying to win and Marquez trying not to let Manny win. The fight was a dud in my opinion because I don't like fights where one guy does all or most of the initiating. Scientifically speaking, Marquez was awesome because he had Pacquiao timed and always kept the perfect distance for the counterpunch. Marquez steps back and punches with Pacquiao. Marquez turned Pacquiao's southpaw stance into a detriment and actually had Pacquiao moving in the wrong direction. If Marquez would have stepped up the offense I would have had him winning. To me if he won, it would have been similar to how Cory Spinks "beat" Ricardo Mayorga.
 
Visitor Buk said:
I watched the fight again and it was a draw for me. I gave Manny round 1, 2, 6, 9, 10, and 12. It was a close ass fight. Juan just knows how to fight Manny. I can see how tough it was to score the fight. It was crazy seeing Manny struggle to be Manny. But that was cause he fought Juan. I really think people are so used to seeing Manny walk through people. This is just the first time in years to see him in a competitive fight. And seeing him in a fight like that for Manny looks worse than it really was. Great fight.
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C\S^^^:yes:
 
What I find amazing though, is how the majority of the highlights from that fight are of Marquez landing something. The coming forward argument doesn't fly with me because that's all Manny ever does. You can initiate all the action you want, if you're ineffective and getting countered everytime. Look, even Manny thought he lost. Find me a fight where Manny doesn't raise his hands in victory at the end of the 12th - I mean, other than this one. Manny walked back to his corner when the bell sounded. He looked dejected and beaten.
 
It was a super close tough fight. I think Marquez landed the better punches but Manny was more the aggressor and out pointed him. I definitely enjoyed the fight though. The back and forth trading was very good to see. And it was just enjoyable watching a competitive Pacquiao fight and seeing a fighter who everyone thought would get wiped-out, actually prove cats wrong. I cant wait to hear what Alex Ariza has to say a.k.a Mr. "Marquez-aint-gonna-last-6-rounds" It was a close one, but I don't think Marquez did enough to take the win. As it always has been in boxing, when you are going up against the popular champion -You gotta knock him out, or whip his ass so badly that there's no other way to decipher the decision - This Marquez did NOT do. Plus Nacho fucked up by telling Marquez that he had the fight in the bag too. That definitely hurt his cause in the fight.
 
Further Pacquiao-Marquez scoring analysis

By Barry Lindenman

Scoring Summary by the Numbers

1. In six of the twelve rounds, all three judges agreed on the winner of the round.

2. In the first seven rounds, there was only one round where there wasn’t unanimous consent as to the winner.

3. There was disagreement among the judge’s scoring in all of the last five rounds of the fight.

4. Judge Trowbridge was the “lone wolf” in only one round (round 12)
a. Awarded the round to Marquez, while the other two judges awarded the round to Pacquiao.

5. Judge Moretti was the “lone wolf” in two rounds (rounds 2 and 11)
Awarded the rounds to Marquez, while the other two judges awarded the rounds to Pacquiao.

6. Judge Hoyle was the “lone wolf” in three rounds (rounds 8, 9 and 10)
Awarded the rounds to Marquez, while the other two judges awarded the rounds to Pacquiao.
 
I had it 115-113 for Marquez... but I understand if someone would have scored it a draw at 114-114, but I don't understand why would scored it in favor of Pacquiao :confused: :smh:
 
marquez hands down...manny was as aggressive n for a reason..also his aggression wasnt productive...at the end of the fight marquez is gonna lift his hands regardless but manny for the first time didnt..he just walked away
 
You have to BEAT the champion...you have to TAKE the title from the champ..Juan didn't do that. He didn't fight to WIN..but rather fought to NOT get KO'd that's the ONLY thing he won END OF Story.
 
mumra said:
marquez hands down...manny was as aggressive n for a reason..also his aggression wasnt productive...at the end of the fight marquez is gonna lift his hands regardless but manny for the first time didnt..he just walked away
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His team thought he lost and so did he, period.
 
will_right said:
You have to BEAT the champion...you have to TAKE the title from the champ..Juan didn't do that. He didn't fight to WIN..but rather fought to NOT get KO'd that's the ONLY thing he won END OF Story.
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Is that why all the highlights were of Juan snapping back Manny's dome?
 
will_right said:
You have to BEAT the champion...you have to TAKE the title from the champ..Juan didn't do that. He didn't fight to WIN..but rather fought to NOT get KO'd that's the ONLY thing he won END OF Story.
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:smh: Maybe if the fight is within a point or two and the Champ makes his mark in the last round.

Marquez took the title. Manny did nothing to keep the title. It isn't like Manny beat Marquez down in the last two rounds and Marquez held on to the end. The only motherfucker who was clearly in trouble of getting KO was getting his head snapped back in every highlight and that was Manny. I don't know what fight ya'll was watching cause everyone watching the fight in my house, every nigga hitting my jack and everyone on the board during the fight saw what I saw and that is including Manny fans who were trying to give him every round that they could.

Only people who came in after the fight was judged and the HBO crew had Manny winning. One of those groups are still worried about Top Rank jumping ship to fuck with Showtime.
 
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I think Marquez won, but I can't imagine having to score that fight in real time with no commentary. Close fight.
 
Marquez Reviews Fight, More Confident He Beat Pacquiao
Posted by: Jhonny Gonzalez on 11/18/2011 .

By Jhonny Gonzalez

For the first time since last Saturday's twelve round majority decision loss, Juan Manuel Marquez (53-6-1, 39KOs) sat down to watch a video of his trilogy fight with WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao (54-3-2, 38KOs). The fight, which took place at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, saw one judge score a 114-114 draw, and two scorecards in favor of Pacquiao with 116-112 and 115-113 rulings.

Marquez watched the video with several family members, and he was getting more frustrated with each passing round as the official scores were on his mind. After reviewing a video of the fight, he feels very confident that he won at least eight clear rounds [116-112].

"I am even more convinced of my victory. It excited me, as if I was there [again]. [Initially] I didn't want to watch it because I knew I would be angry. I beat him again, and he knows that I did," Marquez told Sal Rodriguez.

http://www.boxingscene.com/marquez-reviews-fight-more-confident-he-beat-pacquiao--46140
 
There's no way Pacquiao won that fight.

Marquez countered him to death and he also nullified Manny's forward movements on a few occasions. JMM also took the left hook very well to the chin and worked the body...Manny only had a few rounds where he clearly won...And there were times when he had Marquez in trouble and he gets rocked by a counter that stops him cold...I had it 7-4-1 (Round 1 being the 10-10 score) for Marquez...And he did win the 12th...

I don't know wtf that Trowbridge was looking at...EIGHT rounds for Pac??? GTFO
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It took me a week but I scored it 114-114 with 6 rounds very, very close so it's possible for Trowbridge to have given Manny 8 rounds.
I had almost the exact same as Lederman with a couple rounds different.

I noted a couple things
Manny seemed to have lost a lot of zip by the 5th round. He picked up his pace some as the fight wore on but he wasn't nearly as fast from that point on as he was in the first 4 rounds.
By the 9th, he looked a little wild and out of control.
Now that I've watched and listened to it in it's entirety, I missed the "HBO bias" some others were complaining about. I thought Lampley was complimentary about what both fighters were doing well when they were doing it while he and Stewart were both of the mind that Nacho shouldn't be telling Juan he's winning such a close fight.

Sorry, no robbery here.
Still, considering how much trouble Manny had with JMM when he moved forward, he would be in real trouble fighting the current, more aggressive version of Floyd Mayweather.
 
Upgrade Dave said:
It took me a week but I scored it 114-114 with 6 rounds very, very close so it's possible for Trowbridge to have given Manny 8 rounds.
I had almost the exact same as Lederman with a couple rounds different.

I noted a couple things
Manny seemed to have lost a lot of zip by the 5th round. He picked up his pace some as the fight wore on but he wasn't nearly as fast from that point on as he was in the first 4 rounds.
By the 9th, he looked a little wild and out of control.
Now that I've watched and listened to it in it's entirety, I missed the "HBO bias" some others were complaining about. I thought Lampley was complimentary about what both fighters were doing well when they were doing it while he and Stewart were both of the mind that Nacho shouldn't be telling Juan he's winning such a close fight.

Sorry, no robbery here.
Still, considering how much trouble Manny had with JMM when he moved forward, he would be in real trouble fighting the current, more aggressive version of Floyd Mayweather.
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Great objective post.
 
Upgrade Dave said:
It took me a week but I scored it 114-114 with 6 rounds very, very close so it's possible for Trowbridge to have given Manny 8 rounds.
I had almost the exact same as Lederman with a couple rounds different.

I noted a couple things
Manny seemed to have lost a lot of zip by the 5th round. He picked up his pace some as the fight wore on but he wasn't nearly as fast from that point on as he was in the first 4 rounds.
By the 9th, he looked a little wild and out of control.
Now that I've watched and listened to it in it's entirety, I missed the "HBO bias" some others were complaining about. I thought Lampley was complimentary about what both fighters were doing well when they were doing it while he and Stewart were both of the mind that Nacho shouldn't be telling Juan he's winning such a close fight.

Sorry, no robbery here.
Still, considering how much trouble Manny had with JMM when he moved forward, he would be in real trouble fighting the current, more aggressive version of Floyd Mayweather.
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You have to show me these rounds cause I've watched it like 6 times and each time I have Marquez winning 8 rounds, each time I see Marquez landing the effective shots and each time I see Manny's corner losing hope. At the most I can see some giving Manny 5 rounds and I mean giving.

Oh and the Lampley shit... is clear there would be an exchange that Marquez clearly got the best of and he would talk about Manny and that Manny looks so strong shit has to stop if he isn't knocking Marquez back. I can only think of one time that Manny looked like he was bringing the fire to Marquez was in the at the end of one of those later rounds and he caught Marquez off balance.
 
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Alaskanredman said:
You have to show me these rounds cause I've watched it like 6 times and each time I have Marquez winning 8 rounds, each time I see Marquez landing the effective shots and each time I see Manny's corner losing hope. At the most I can see some giving Manny 5 rounds and I mean giving.
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Outright, I have Manny winning three rounds - 1st, 4th, and the 12th, with the 3rd, 8th, and 10th being tight rounds I thought Manny won with some scoring flurries (not just throwing a bunch of punches but landing some of them).
I had JMM winning outright the same number - 2nd, 5th, and 7th with him narrowly winning the 6th, 9th, and 11th.
With 6 rounds being that tightly contested it's possible for either guy to have an overwhelming numerical advantage by winning 4 to 6 of the close rounds.
 
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Outright, I have Manny winning three rounds - 1st, 4th, and the 12th, with the 3rd, 8th, and 10th being tight rounds I thought Manny won with some scoring flurries (not just throwing a bunch of punches but landing some of them).
I had JMM winning outright the same number - 2nd, 5th, and 7th with him narrowly winning the 6th, 9th, and 11th.
With 6 rounds being that tightly contested it's possible for either guy to have an overwhelming numerical advantage by winning 4 to 6 of the close rounds.
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I just can't see it. I know the first round I gave to Marquez, but it is the only round that I gave him that I can see debate on. I gave 3rd, 4th, 10th and the 12th... to Manny. Every other round had Marquez controlling the pace, landing the better shots and winning the exchanges.

I'm sorry but I simply don't see a close fight at all this time. The first two were simply from the knock downs, but even then I had him winning by a point each time.
 
8 rounds Marquez. no fuckin way Pac beat him to keep da title. i'm glad JMM himself could be comfortable with that fact, even though he was screwed out of the title cuz of sum hyped up superfight everyone wants thats gonna be anything but that.
 
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I just can't see it. I know the first round I gave to Marquez, but it is the only round that I gave him that I can see debate on. I gave 3rd, 4th, 10th and the 12th... to Manny. Every other round had Marquez controlling the pace, landing the better shots and winning the exchanges.

I'm sorry but I simply don't see a close fight at all this time. The first two were simply from the knock downs, but even then I had him winning by a point each time.
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I appreciate great ring generalship but too often JMM didn't do anything and judges will score for the more active fighter in those situations.
 
I don't know how any one could not see this as a close fight unless they passionately hate one of the two fighters for personal reasons. A draw was probably the most fair result but either way definitely no robbery.
 
Zeferino said:
I don't know how any one could not see this as a close fight unless they passionately hate one of the two fighters for personal reasons. A draw was probably the most fair result but either way definitely no robbery.
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Well a lot of people must hate these two guys and that one judge must have walked in on Marquez fucking his daughter or something because you might be able to tie up some rounds for the robbery but giving them to Pac is just not possible.
 
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Visitor Buk said:
Same for me. I had to watch it again. Honestly the hardest round to judge for me was round 1. But that is why I hate when fighters use it as a warm up round. Why give a round away?
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Especially when you've already fought twice before with controversial results.

Originally had it 8 to 4 JMM... After review: 7 to 5 JMM... After re-review: 8 to 4 JMM.

Still saw no way to have scored it other than a draw.

Manny will only fight Floyd for retirement purse, because an embarrassing loss for the reigning "Pound-for-Pound" champ is a career ender.
 
caboverd said:
Especially when you've already fought twice before with controversial results.

Originally had it 8 to 4 JMM... After review: 7 to 5 JMM... After re-review: 8 to 4 JMM.

Still saw no way to have scored it other than a draw.

Manny will only fight Floyd for retirement purse, because an embarrassing loss for the reigning "Pound-for-Pound" champ is a career ender.
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Not necessarily. Even if he fought Floyd in May and lost, there's still plenty of good money making fights for Manny, including a 4th fight with Marquez. There have been a lot of top fighters who lost big fights and it didn't end their careers, from Robinson to Ali to Leonard to Hearns (who lost both of his biggest fights) to Trinidad (same) to De La Hoya.
 
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