Do you believe in tax breaks for corporations?
Hmmm, Where Were The Teabaggers During the G20?
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More importantly, I believe in spending cuts by the govt!
But do you believe in tax breaks for corporations?
I believe in tax breaks for everybody but hear me out!
Simply put, the nation can not afford tax breaks right now, thats why the "right" sounds ridiculous by suggesting tax breaks (thats why I suuggested spending cuts by the govt) At some point, you must realize taxes, in theory, only go to pay for govt (the bigger the gov, the larger the taxes, and vice versa, right?) So, in a nutshell, taxes must be high to pay for this bloated govt!
Tax breaks are a good thing because without burdensome taxes, companies can use the capital to boost productivity (more jobs!) Again, productivity + capital from the private sector = economic growth, simple.
But some of us aren't gonna be happy until everyone works for the govt (like the Soviet Union)
yes, because they provide jobs in THIS country.
I guess you are against people having jobs now...
So you believe in the government stacking the deck! Why can't multibillion dollar private organizations employ people on their own dime? Why do they need the people’s money to help them make money? Money that once they transfer it in to their bank accounts, claim that the government has no say over it. I know this is too much for your brain to process. You will never understand the twisted irony of this logic.
Oh sure, just like you, Rush and Glenn Beck want Obama to fail.
You really cannot comprehend the idiocy of your statements.
So you believe in the government stacking the deck! Why can't multibillion dollar private organizations employ people on their own dime? Why do they need the people’s money to help them make money? Money that once they transfer it in to their bank accounts, claim that the government has no say over it. I know this is too much for your brain to process. You will never understand the twisted irony of this logic.
Oh sure, just like you, Rush and Glenn Beck want Obama to fail.
You really cannot comprehend the idiocy of your statements.
Ok, lets go step by step...
People pay taxes...
People buy goods...
Goods are sold by people...
People make money....
People pay taxes....
people buy goods...
goods are sold by people...
Do you see the pattern?
If you overtax the goods provider....
less people are able to buy other goods...
meaning LESS JOBS....
Meaning recession....
Basic economics.....however, I guess you have the right to decide who makes the most money right?
*edit* What's more productive, creating wealth, or hating the people who have the wealth?
March towards Communism, right?...............................wow, that is "change"
Say what? Your getting more and more fuzzy with each post.
not at all, if you haven't noticed, the govt is the only sector that is actively hiring. (just like the Soviet Union)
What is it that you disagree with in my above posts? numbers don't lie!
Even as millions of private-sector jobs have disappeared in the past year, government hiring continues to expand across the country, according to state employment data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
The U.S. shed 5.5 million private-sector jobs over the 12 months beginning in May 2008, but taxpayers were required to support 116,000 more federal workers than a year ago, according to the report.
State government added 21,000 jobs nationwide, and local governments added 3,000 jobs.
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honestly, I believe that you really do not know what you want out of this country. You are blinded by hate SO MUCH that you will probably be against 90% of what this country is all about even if they did exactly what you want. You sometimes remind me of Bill Mahar *or however you suppose to spell his name*. You obviously think this country will stay the evil, racist country you believe it is. It's ok, thought....
I only debate you to show how inconsistent your argument can be. You never answer questions because you know that will show your true self. However, what you don't know, you have already revealed your true self. The difference between me, and you thought is the fact that I do not hide my allegiance politically. I could careless about what you think personally. The only thing I care about is defeating this self-defeating attitude you, and Vegas tend to display. I want to defeat anyone who constantly blame other people for their misfortune.
he doesn't get it, dude...
Can't run from the numbers forever. Everybody in the Soviet Union had jobs...........but everybody was broke as hell because they had no purchasing power! The "fundamentals" of a healthy economy are centered around production & saving.
Ah, from the Obama hating Newsmax:
Who do I believe? You can spin it any way you choose.
'Troubled' Healthcare Industry Adding Jobs
Despite dire warnings from the Democrats that the American healthcare system is in crisis, the healthcare industry actually added 19,000 jobs in September.
That increase stood in stark contrast to the steep decline in all non-farm jobs last month — 263,000 workers were cut from payrolls.
According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, construction employment in the U.S. fell by 54,000 jobs in September, manufacturing lost 51,000 jobs, retail trade fell by 39,000, and even government employment was down 53,000.
The entire non-farm labor market has now shed 7.2 million jobs since the recession started in December 2007.
But the BLS disclosed: "Employment in healthcare continued to increase in September (19,000), with the largest gain occurring in ambulatory healthcare services (15,000). Healthcare has added 559,000 jobs since the beginning of the recession, although the average monthly job gain thus far in 2009 (22,000) is down from the average monthly gain during 2008 (30,000)."
NewsBusters.org, which reported on the labor statistics, observed: "How will the Obama-loving, healthcare-reform-pushing news media report this in the coming days as they continue to tell the country the stimulus is working AND one of the strongest industries in the country desperately needs fixing."
Like China!
Duh! So how can jobs be created when production is moved off shore?
Lamarr, bottom line. Do you believe in the regulation of corporations? Yes or no.
This is a prime example as to why it's important for niggaz to read a book every once in a while.
I completely agreed with you, and in all actuality, took it a step further. Oh and BTW I'm black
Still Priceless!
Wouldn't the answer be to loosen the regulations in order to compete? Businesses go to China because they don't have to worry about regulations, not saying its right but thats what happens, right?
Thought deals with absolutes.
Lamarr your answer was right. Regulation is needed, however, too much regulation is bad. Right now, government needs to step away from the "fixing" the economy business.
You are beyond description. I just checkmated you and his rhetoric. He mentions the Soviet Union and I am dealing in absolutes.
Now we are cutting thru the bullshit. You are on record. You are for regulation, which means you are for government control. Who else is going to administer and enforce the regulations? You have also admitted that unfettered capitalism will cannibalize itself when you admitted that "Regulation is needed." I, as an American citizen, voter and tax payer trust the democratic voting process, when conducted fairly, honestly and legally (free of corruption) to have control over these systems. Where as you and Lamarr appear to support the undemocratic corporate bottom line for profit system to have sovereignty over our lives. Now the actual argument is what type of “regulation is needed” or to boil it down to base political terms, what kind and how much government control you are for. This is what distinguishes the left and right, conservative and liberal...
Now labeling those that want a different kind of government control than you want Nazis, fascists or communists has lost its rhetorical bite, since you too want government control.
You got that RIGHT!!! The race to the bottom. Remember the toxic toys and food that were being imported from China? Remember the concerned about the chronic air pollution in Beijing during the Olympics.
Loosen? Can't corporations skirt regulations by moving from one state to another, one country to another? Can't corporations claim American citizenship while locating their main offices overseas to avoid paying taxes? Can't corporations hire foreign workers at lower pay, pocket the savings and then deny skilled American workers jobs in their own country? We have had enough loosening of corporate regulations over the last thirty years. Who is going to enforce laws like Taft–Hartley?
according to you & your ilk, the gubmint is supposed to monitor that sh*t right? FAIL
and Taft-Hartley has been on the books how long?
Isn't it clear that laws are being selectively enforced?
Oh my bad, the $800 bn bailout was Capitalism right?
Or maybe the gubmint negotiating free trade agreements / and outsourcing jobs was Capitalism
Or maybe the $787bn stimulus program, thats Capitalism
“Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal.” MLK
Isn't our air cleaner than China's? Why? Would capitalism self regulated pollution?
Why is it that when corporations fail, which they have, producing shitty American cars, banks looting everyone, you don't point the finger at corporation’s short comings, but when the government is left with the problem of making sure that the society hasn't fallen off the table by capitalism’s failings you say the government is the blame. I say you want to solve the corrupt government problem to in general? I say take the incentive of capitalism to profit off of the government. Have public funding for all elections and ban all private funding for elections. Repeal corporate personhood and ban all paid lobbyist from soliciting elected representatives. At this point capitalism will flourish on its own, without government intervention.
Didn't Jimmy Carter enforce it by breaking up the Bell System? Didn't Ronald Reagan start to weaken it by allowing the oil companies and military manufactures to reconstitute and combine in to today's multinationals?
Oh my bad, the $800 bn bailout was Capitalism right?
Or maybe the gubmint negotiating free trade agreements / and outsourcing jobs was Capitalism
Or maybe the $787bn stimulus program, thats Capitalism
All of these were the result of pure capitlism. Little or no reguation on the markets. You act as if all of these ills were not in responce to the ills built up over the years.
Could MLK change the Nazi system?
no argument! Remember, I voted for Cynthia McKinney, who aint get nothin from the Banks! Ron Paul / Kucinich aint get sh*t from the Banks
so the govt solution to our problems was to give banks 800bn, negotiated NAFTA, & 787bl in stimulus: Question, Did that improve conditions for the people?
idk, but we really need someone with a message of morality & peace. No more Goldman Sachs spokesmen
You are beyond description. I just checkmated you and his rhetoric. He mentions the Soviet Union and I am dealing in absolutes.
Now we are cutting thru the bullshit. You are on record. You are for regulation, which means you are for government control. Who else is going to administer and enforce the regulations? You have also admitted that unfettered capitalism will cannibalize itself when you admitted that "Regulation is needed." I, as an American citizen, voter and tax payer trust the democratic voting process, when conducted fairly, honestly and legally (free of corruption) to have control over these systems. Where as you and Lamarr appear to support the undemocratic corporate bottom line for profit system to have sovereignty over our lives. Now the actual argument is what type of “regulation is needed” or to boil it down to base political terms, what kind and how much government control you are for. This is what distinguishes the left and right, conservative and liberal...
Now labeling those that want a different kind of government control than you want Nazis, fascists or communists has lost its rhetorical bite, since you too want government control.
Here's the situation. You think conservatives want no government. This is what I mean by you believe in absolutes. The conservative manifesto is about STRONG, LIMITED, GOVERNMENT. That does not mean NO government. Conservatives believe in having set rules with next to zero loopholes. Meaning the regulation that's simple. Like rules on copyrights, monopolies, workers rights *that's fair*, ect. Rules that won't ruin business. The real issue we have with your type of "regulation" is the fact that you believe in OVER REGULATING the private sector for political gain. *I should say the party you support* Overtaxing, and too many regulations will kill an economy.
Bottom line, conservatives want fair rules, while your side wanna control businesses.
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These words are just rhetoric. On man's Limited Government is another man's over regulation. THE BOTTOM LINE IS you want government control, I want government control. You call my government control, socialist and Fascist (which makes no sense, because they are politically opposite). So your railing against the “government” is another in your many contradictions. So if you think the “government” can’t do anything right, why trust them to do anything?
And anwser QueEx, I want to see these points you have made.
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