Hillary: How Hard to Hit Obama ?

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<font size="5"><center>Clinton Camp's Challenge: </font size><font size="6">
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Wall Street Journal
By JACKIE CALMES and AMY CHOZICK
January 5, 2008

MANCHESTER, N.H. -- With little time to recover from Iowa's presidential caucuses before Tuesday's New Hampshire primary, a bruised Hillary Clinton faces her nightmare scenario: Barack Obama could unite anti-Clinton Democrats to seal the party's nomination in coming weeks.

Seven in 10 Iowa Democrats in Thursday night's caucuses supported someone other than New York's Sen. Clinton. Among those who showed up supporting the second-tier candidates, very few listed her as their second choice. In the end, she finished third, losing not just to Sen. Obama but, by a sliver, to John Edwards, the former North Carolina senator who had made the state the linchpin of his populist candidacy.

Attack Aggressively?
Now, the Clinton campaign is scrambling to reassess its strategy, and whether to more aggressively attack Sen. Obama. "Does everyone know everything they need to know about Barack Obama?" her chief strategist, Mark Penn, asked a handful of reporters on a glum overnight flight from Iowa to New Hampshire. "She's fully vetted, fully tested, and I don't think that process has occurred with Barack Obama."

Sen. Clinton echoed him hours later, at a morning rally in a Nashua, N.H., airport hangar. "Of all the people running for president, I've been the most vetted, the most investigated, and -- my goodness -- the most innocent, it turns out," she said to applause.

Obama Has Been Playing Her Fears
In Iowa, Sen. Clinton tried unsuccessfully to overcome her chief vulnerabilities: One, that some Democrats don't like her, or else fear that enough Americans feel that way that she can't win in November. And two, that Democrats are desperate for change after the Bush years and the partisanship of the Clinton years as well.

It is a sentiment that Sen. Obama plays on routinely in his speeches. "We can't afford the same old partisan food fight in Washington," he says. And he alludes to Sen. Clinton's high negatives in polls, in which slightly more Americans see her in a negative light than view her favorably. "I don't want to go into the next election starting off with half the country already not wanting to vote for Democrats," Mr. Obama says on the stump.

Despite attempting to soften her image, Sen. Clinton left some Iowans feeling cold. She swung through Des Moines's Lovejoy Elementary School Thursday night to greet caucus-goers. After she shook hands with Rob Moyers and moved on, he remarked: "I looked into Obama's eyes and he seemed sincere. Now, that looked mechanical. She's like a robot."

The Risk
A campaign strategy viewed as an attack on Sen. Obama risks backfiring on Sen. Clinton, given her already high negatives. That's a particular danger for her now, post-Iowa, with the once-crowded Democratic field clearing; Sen. Obama could become a magnet for Democrats who want to move beyond the Clinton-Bush years. Mr. Edwards has tried to draw those voters, but he lags in funds and organization beyond Iowa. Two other candidates, Sens. Joseph Biden of Delaware and Chris Dodd of Connecticut, have dropped out.

The winnowing of the field opens the way for Illinois Sen. Obama, who triumphed with nearly 38% of Iowa caucus-goers' support -- eight points ahead of his top two rivals -- to build on his momentum. New Hampshire could shape up as friendly turf for Mr. Obama. Independent voters, who have responded to his campaign message of changing Washington, outnumber both Democrats and Republicans in the Granite State. They lean heavily Democratic.

In polls of Iowans entering the caucus sites, Sen. Obama had more support than Sen. Clinton did from younger Democrats and men -- groups known to be weak spots for her. The polls also showed that Sen. Obama was stronger among female voters, a group on whom Sen. Clinton was relying. And he was far and away the choice of voters who said they wanted a candidate who would change Washington.

"I don't consider it as an anti-Clinton constituency; I consider it a pro-change constituency" for Sen. Obama, said his senior strategist, David Axelrod. "To win this election, we need to change our politics and expand our base and attract some disillusioned Republicans and attract more young people -- and all of that happened in Iowa."

After New Hampshire, the Democratic race turns to Nevada's caucuses on Jan. 19 and the Jan. 26 primary in South Carolina. In Nevada, Mr. Obama has already shown appeal in a contest dominated by union workers. In South Carolina, where blacks make up half of the Democratic primary electorate, many are excited about the prospect of America's first black president.

Sen. Clinton vowed on Friday to win here on Tuesday -- just as her husband's strong New Hampshire showing in 1992 made him "the Comeback Kid." But her campaign faces the prospect of losses in some if not all of the other early-voting states.

The major Clinton-Obama showdown will likely come on Feb. 5, which is shaping up as a near-national primary day. More than 20 states will vote, including her home state, New York, his home state, Illinois, and California.

Several Democratic strategists unaffiliated with any campaign said on Friday that Sen. Clinton could lose in the early states and still clinch the nomination on Feb. 5. To do so, they said, she must focus on burnishing her own image in the coming month, and she must resist the temptation to tar Sen. Obama.

"The Clinton campaign needs to play for the long term, and righting the ship in terms of how people see her is more important than beating Obama," says Democratic pollster Geoff Garin, who's not backing any candidate. "I don't think that Hillary Clinton has made clear what the fundamental change is that she would bring about, and why people should trust her to do it."

Mr. Garin contends that Sen. Obama has more clearly sold voters -- in Iowa at least -- that he stands for "changing the way our country works, bringing people together, replacing the politics of cynicism with the politics of hope."

She's Been Warned
As Sen. Clinton opened what will be the shortest campaign ever between the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire's primary, she suggested she will continue to focus on her opponents and to boast of her experience. At a diner here, she told voters that she would be "drawing contrasts between what I've done for 35 years and what my leading opponents have done."

With her was a top New Hampshire supporter, state Sen. Lou D'Allesandro, who warns against going negative: "My advice is, always be positive," he said in an interview afterward. "She has to increase her 'likeability' quotient," he added. "When people meet her one-on-one, they like her very much."

Both inside and outside the Clinton campaign, Democrats were grumbling on Friday that the signals being sent -- chiefly from Mr. Penn, in his lengthy remarks to reporters aboard a charter flight from Iowa -- suggested that the campaign is more interested in having Sen. Obama brought down than in building up Sen. Clinton.

In almost every Democratic election, Mr. Penn said at one point, "You see people latch on to the new, seemingly fresh candidate, only to then take a sobering look at the choice they have when it comes down to the end of it. I think you're going to see that again."

Sen. Obama's senior strategist, Mr. Axelrod, responds: "Mark Penn is about as subtle as a screen door on a submarine." Mr. Axelrod criticizes the strategy that has had Sen. Clinton emphasizing her "strength and experience" as a contrast with freshman Sen. Obama's relative lack of Washington experience.

That strategy has also had its detractors within the Clinton camp, and her Iowa setback has stoked the anti-Penn sentiment. "I was pretty clear that it's up to the press to fully vet all the candidates," Mr. Penn said in an interview Friday.

Another Clinton supporter, Democratic strategist Karin Johanson, defends the message. "In fairness to them," she says, "as a woman candidate, you have to start out strong and experienced" to clear the bar to be considered a potential commander-in-chief. If Sen. Clinton is elected, she says, "there is not going to be less change with her than there'd be with Obama."

While campaigning in Iowa, Sen. Clinton repeatedly talked about how vital the state's caucus is for the democratic process -- even evoking it as beacon of freedom in the aftermath of Benazir Bhutto's assassination. After her defeat, Mr. Penn and others downplayed the importance of the state. "Iowa doesn't have a record of picking presidents," he said on the flight to New Hampshire. Press secretary Jay Carson added: "Iowa is so small, it's like a mayor's race in a medium-sized city."

Other Clinton advisers have privately acknowledged that they should have worked harder in Iowa to appeal to young voters, rather than let Sen. Obama capture them. Instead, the campaign focused on getting out older voters, particularly women.

Some Clinton insiders were chagrined to see the televised tableau late Thursday as Sen. Clinton gave her concession speech. Behind her were an array of older people, including former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and retired General Wesley Clark, as well as Democratic donors. "This is about youth and change. They don't get it," said one Clinton campaign adviser. Another staffer dismissed the criticism, saying the people on stage had worked hard for Sen. Clinton.

Campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe, also on the plane to New Hampshire, said Sen. Clinton will be putting more emphasis on so-called kitchen-table issues such as the economy, health insurance and mortgage costs. With nearly $120 million in campaign funds, "we have the resources going forward," he said. "We're going to be the nominee for the Democratic party. I feel as strongly about that now as ever."

Although Sen. Obama has a similarly large war chest, Mr. Penn was dismissive: "The only thing Obama has going for him in New Hampshire is some sense of momentum. Let's see whether or not that sustains itself."

Write to Jackie Calmes at jackie.calmes@wsj.com and Amy Chozick at amy.chozick@wsj.com

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119949573104569175.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
 
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How Hard to Hit - What the Article Didn't Get Into:</font size>

If Hillary hits too hard, or at least what is deemed by us to be too hard, does she then run
the risk of losing (a) the Black support that she now has; and (b) the Black support that
she would pick up should Obama not win the nomination and is not named as a running
mate?

I think she should. There has to be a limit to mofo's willing to abuse us for their gain.
If she sinks to the levels that it is said she can reach, how do we just take that shit
and reward her ass later ???

Fuck Shakespear. <font size="3">That, is the question.</font size>

QueEx
 
Look at all the supposedly progressive civil rights people and black politicians that backed non-progressive Billary. Do you really think it will make a difference if she gets negative as long as she doesn't play the race card? Newsflash, her people have already been calling him a drug dealing muslim since the early days of Iowa and 3 people were fired/resigned after that. None of that took. The bitch is beaten. One day she's in Iowa talking bold, the next day she's in NH talking about how Iowa doesn't count. She couldn't take that loss with any grace at all. I think that's telling of her personality. I don't expect her to enjoy losing but for her to play the serious old bird constantly lends credibility to the ice queen shit that we already heard about her.

Add to all that the fact the media hates her guts. Im not talking about the Media Corps- Im talking reporters and journalists. They fucking despise her. I think 80% of the print and newswire media will paint her negative no matter what the story is. She's done. Obama can take the high road, Edwards can fire away at Hillary nonstop to try to erode her support, and Hillary can try to attack Obama. Hillary will own herself again, Edwards will still be 2nd and Obama can preach on about the politics of devisiveness and negativity without a drop of blood on his loafers.

Hillary is Dean, only she didn't need a primary to self-destruct. That's what they will say when she is beat down in NH and SC.

Eventually all the black politicos who backed Hillary will switch over to Obama and say they had his back all along. Don't forget that a lot of those kinds owed favors to the Clintons and their backers and the had to repay those.

Hillary so far hasnt gotten anything from her aggression. It hasn't played out well at all for her. Ramping it up is going to end real bad for her.
 
I saw her try and turn Obama and Edwards against each other tonight and that shit backfired on her badly.. :lol:

I predict Obama / Edwards will be running jointly in 2008 with Obama as president and Edwards as V.P
 
its begun
Billary's campaign started mailing out flyers saying Obama is not prochoice
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/hillary_mailer_hits_obama_on_abortion.php

This shit is a bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggggggggggg mistake.

They fault him for voting present on abortion votes in Illinois but the reason he did it was because Illinois Planned Parenthood asked him and others too.
He's endorsed by Planned Parenthood too.
When this gets out it will be another kick to the snatch.
 
its begun
Billary's campaign started mailing out flyers saying Obama is not prochoice
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/hillary_mailer_hits_obama_on_abortion.php

This shit is a bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggggggggggg mistake.

They fault him for voting present on abortion votes in Illinois but the reason he did it was because Illinois Planned Parenthood asked him and others too.
He's endorsed by Planned Parenthood too.
When this gets out it will be another kick to the snatch.

"They fault him for voting present on abortion votes in Illinois but the reason he did it was because Illinois Planned Parenthood asked him and others too."

After looking at the flyer, I was wondering how factual/accurate its claims were.

I think the only time Hillary got applause tonight was when she was talking about what an "agent of change" she was and added "I think a WOMAN president would be a big change." It's telling that it was the one thing she said that drew a reaction from the crowd (which obviously was told to be quiet throughout).

Going negative in this manner could definitely hurt her. I'm not so sure your defense of Obama works though, because voters who care about abortion aren't going to be worried about what Planned Parenthood asked Obama.
 
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At Debate, Two Rivals Go After Defiant Clinton</font size></center>



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Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Senator Barack Obama, Bill Richardson and John Edwards after
a debate Saturday in Manchester, N.H.




By PATRICK HEALY and JEFF ZELENY
Published: January 6, 2008


MANCHESTER, N.H. — It was as if they sensed vulnerability.

Senator Barack Obama and John Edwards went after Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton as never before in a televised debate here on Saturday night. With Mr. Obama hoping that a victory in New Hampshire, following his first-place finish in Iowa, would make him difficult to beat in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination — and with Mr. Edwards looking to defeat Mrs. Clinton in a second straight contest — they entered an alliance of convenience.

In an exchange that summed up the basic story line of the contest, they cast her as a candidate of the status quo who would fail to deliver the changes in government that many Democratic voters demand.

With the New Hampshire primary two days away, Mrs. Clinton found her courage, likability and judgment questioned. But she fought back as she did when she was first lady of Arkansas and of the United States — with defiance and flashes of anger, pursing her lips, stiffening her back and staring intently at her rivals.

When it became clear that Mr. Obama and Mr. Edwards, sitting side by side across from her, were teaming up, Mrs. Clinton sat up and pulled her coat tight as if preparing for battle.

A few minutes later, though, she softened when one of the debate’s moderators took note of the fact that Mrs. Clinton was getting double-barreled criticism from her rivals. “You noticed?” she said with a smile.

With all three rivals under intense pressure to show strength in the primary on Tuesday, they each unleashed their sharpest attacks of the campaign season. They held nothing back in their words and or in their body language; Mrs. Clinton glared at her opponents and Mr. Edwards waved his left hand in her direction as he derided her as an establishment candidate. At other times, they seized chances to be nice to one another , with Mr. Edwards flattering Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton being playful in discussing her likability.

But it was the charged series of exchanges that first unfolded between Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama, who appears tied with Mrs. Clinton here, that set the tone for the night. They began by sparring over details of their health care plans, but the dispute escalated into a showdown over leadership and courage.

As Mrs. Clinton attacked Mr. Obama as waffling on the Patriot Act and Iraq war funding, she sought to make an ally out of Mr. Edwards. She suggested that Mr. Obama had hypocritically tried to paint Mr. Edwards as inconsistent on the issues. All eyes turned to Mr. Edwards, and he delivered a coup de grace — siding dramatically with Mr. Obama instead of Mrs. Clinton.

“Any time you speak out powerfully for change, the forces of status quo attack,” Mr. Edwards said, looking and gesturing toward Mrs. Clinton. Referring to himself and Mr. Obama, he added: “He believes deeply in change, and I believe deeply in change. And any time you’re fighting for that, I mean, I didn’t hear these kinds of attacks from Senator Clinton when she was ahead.”

Mrs. Clinton, who has seen her longtime lead in New Hampshire and national polls shrink in recent weeks, made it clear that she was as much an advocate for change as her rivals. And she made the case that she had much longer experience in delivering it.

“Making change is not about what you believe,” she said. “It’s not about a speech you make. It is about working hard.” And in a direct attack on Mr. Obama’s theme of inspiring hope in Americans — and perhaps on Mr. Edwards’s many promises of reforming government — she said, “We don’t need to be raising the false hopes of our country about what can be delivered.”

The fourth person on the stage, Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico, was reduced to playing the role of pundit.

“I’ve been in hostage negotiations that are a lot more civil than this,” he said, sitting with Mrs. Clinton to his left and Mr. Obama and Mr. Edwards to his right. He went on to defend Mrs. Clinton, saying that experience in government counted — both for his candidacy and, implicitly, for hers — and that there was nothing wrong with citing experience as proof that a candidate can deliver change.

Advisers to Mr. Edwards and Mr. Obama said late Saturday night that they had not formally agreed to attack Mrs. Clinton. They said it was a natural coincidence since both men are running as agents of change — and since Mr. Edwards, who was counting on a victory in Iowa, is looking for ways to set up a battle between Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton, with him on the sidelines as the winner.

Mr. Edwards seemed to bend over backwards to share the spotlight that Mr. Obama has been enjoying since Iowa, and he tried to align their messages. At one point Mr. Edwards said, “Yes, Barack, I agree with you completely that we need to unite America.”

In the second half of the debate, which was sponsored by ABC News and Facebook, Mrs. Clinton was asked to explain why voters found her less likable than some of her rivals.

“Well, that hurts my feelings, but I’ll try to go on,” she said in a soft voice, her smile widening. “He’s very likable, I agree with that. But I don’t think I’m that bad.”

Looking her way, Mr. Obama deadpanned, “You’re likable enough.”

“I appreciate that,” Mrs. Clinton responded, before launching into a sharp argument about the importance of this election.

“In 2000, we unfortunately ended up with a president who people said they wanted to have a beer with, who said he wanted to be a uniter not a divider — who said that he had his intuition and, you know, really come into the White House and transform the country,” Mrs. Clinton said. “And you know, at least I think there are the majority of Americans who think that was not the right choice.”

Mrs. Clinton’s personal appeal emerged as a problem late in the Iowa race, as public and private polling found that people found her remote and, in the words of some voters, cold. And she admitted at a few events that she did not like talking about herself.

During the last days in Iowa, Mrs. Clinton’s team brought in friends of her friends to talk about her personal side, and they are doing the same in New Hampshire, where Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama are now both competing for support from the same voters — young people and independents, who sided strongly with Mr. Obama in Iowa.

“Words are not action and as beautifully presented and as passionately felt as they are, they are not action,” Mrs. Clinton said. “What we’ve got to do is translate talk into action, and feeling into reality; I have a long record of doing that.”

But Mr. Obama came back at her.

“The truth is, actually, words do inspire,” Mr. Obama said. “Words do help people get involved.”

Arguments over which candidate can best bring about change dominated the discussion. Even when the subject moved to Iraq, the candidates decided against engaging one another sharply.

With the fresh departures from the race of Senators Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware and Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut, the debate focused less on policy differences among the remaining candidates than the difference between their résumés and experiences.

For television viewers in New Hampshire, the candidates’ commercials were featured back to back during the single break during the 90-minute debate. One contender who was excluded, Representative Dennis J. Kucinich of Ohio, compressed his argument to 30 seconds, saying the he was a Democrat — but not the sort of a Democrat that his rivals were.

Though he is for change, too.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/us/politics/06dems.html?_r=1&ref=us&oref=slogin
 
its begun
Billary's campaign started mailing out flyers saying Obama is not prochoice
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/hillary_mailer_hits_obama_on_abortion.php

Guess these people didn't get the memo...

Protestors disrupt Obama rally
Posted: 09:25 PM ET

ROCHESTER, New Hampshire (CNN) – A group of about a dozen anti-abortion protestors interrupted one of Barack Obama's New Hampshire rallies Monday night.

The group shouted in unison, "Abortion is abomination," forcing Obama to pause in the middle of his speech.

When the noise erupted, Obama first paused and looked up into the balcony where they were standing.

"Alright," Obama said, attempting to squelch the commotion. "Alright."

The rest of the crowd soon got angry with the protestors.

"No need to boo. We appreciate [their] point," Obama said, adding that he'd be happy to talk to them afterwards but that shouting "isn't going to solve anything."

The whole incident lasted about two minutes before they were escorted out by police.

Before leaving the room, one protestor yelled, "True change is ending abortion!" Change has been a major theme of Obama's campaign.

Once the audience calmed down again, Obama said, "Let me just say this, though… Some people got organized to do that. That's part of the American tradition we are proud of."

"That's hard, too, standing in the midst of people who don't agree with you," he added.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/07/protestors-disrupt-obama-rally/
 
The split between the all-Democratic members of the CBC is as follows: Endorsing Hillary Clinton are Lee, Stephanie Tubbs Jones of Ohio; Kendrick Meek, Corrine Brown and Alcee Hastings of Florida; Yvette Clarke, Charles Rangel, Gregory Meeks and Edolphus Towns of New York; Emanuel Cleaver of Missouri; Dianne Watson and Laura Richardson of California; David Scott and John Lewis of Georgia; and Donna Christian-Christensen (V.I.).

Endorsing Barack Obama are Scott, Danny Davis, Bobby Rush and Jesse Jackson Jr. of Illinois; Barbara Lee of California; Artur Davis of Alabama; Gwen Moore of Wisconsin; Lacy Clay of Missouri; Elijah Cummings of Maryland; Sanford Bishop and Hank Johnson of Georgia; John Conyers of Michigan; Keith Ellison of Minnesota; Chaka Fattah of Pennsylvania; and Al Green of Texas.

Endorsing John Edwards are: Johnson of Texas; Mel Watt and G. K. Butterfield of North Carolina.

Those who had not endorsed by NNPA deadline were: Eleanor Holmes Norton of D.C.; Jim Clyburn of South Carolina; Bennie Thompson of Mississippi; Al Wynn of Maryland; William Jefferson of Louisiana; Donald Payne of New Jersey, Maxine Waters of California and CBC Chairwoman Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick of Michigan.


http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=8f096495b5b5ff31ea2e41abfa7d00a3
 
<font size="6"><center>'Bill effect'</font size><font size="5"> threatens a civil war</font size><font size="4">
The former President's central role
in his wife's bid for the White House
has taken an ugly twist. Many fear the
personal attacks on Barack Obama will
backfire and damage the party</font size></center>

The Guardian
Sunday January 27, 2008
The Observer


Sometimes a slip of the tongue reveals more about a politician's true intentions than a thousand lengthy speeches. So it was when Bill Clinton took the stage of an old theatre last week in the tiny town of Walterboro, South Carolina.
On the stump for his wife, Hillary, the former president looked every inch the old campaigner, with his broad smile and silvery hair. He smooth-talked the crowd of mostly white Democrats and lauded Hillary's aims of securing middle-class prosperity and protecting the future of their children.

'That is our domestic agenda,' he said, letting loose the telltale 'our' that many think reveals his real role in Hillary Clinton's bid to become the first woman President in American history. And return her husband to the White House.
To the surprise of many Americans, but few Clinton experts, Bill Clinton has become an increasingly dominant force in the now brutal dogfight to become the Democratic nominee. He is spearheading a remarkable effort to boost his wife's candidacy that has many gradually realising that his influence on America has not lessened. He has toughened up her campaign, taking the fight to her chief rival Barack Obama.

Yet he is also dividing the Democratic party and has helped plunge the race into a bitter feud, tinged with the poison of race-baiting politics. Some fear the prospect of an all-out political civil war in a party that many had assumed was ripe to take power after the demise of the Bush White House. Instead the Democrats could fall prey to an old disease of bloody infighting, tearing strips off each other and ignoring the real enemy.

As the Clinton machine whirs even further into full-scale battle mode in the weeks ahead, the real winners of the fight between Clinton and Obama could end up being the Republican Party. With Super Tuesday looming on 5 February the stakes are as high as they could possibly be. 'This has been a risky strategy for the Clintons. The potential ramifications of what they have been doing are enormous,' said Monika Alston, a political scientist at South Carolina's College of Charleston.

There is no getting away from the fact that Bill Clinton remains a masterful campaigner. At a university campus in the hardscrabble town of Orangeburg in the centre of South Carolina, scores of black students flocked to see him as he gave a speech at their lunch cafeteria.

Amid a room full of tables covered with mustard and ketchup bottles, Clinton outlined why those gathered should vote for his wife. Prowling the floor with microphone in hand, he spent more than an hour answering questions on anything from the environment to student grants. Invariably his answers began by harking back to his own presidency or his current charitable work, before he switched gear and remembered to campaign for Hillary's policies. Finally, he dragged himself away. 'I've been told they need to reopen this place for lunch!' he joked. Many people in the crowd loved the show. 'Bill is my boy,' said Mario Zaino, an academic at Orangeburg's Claflin University and a staunch Hillary supporter. 'If Hillary Clinton had not brought him in to run this campaign, she would have lost it by now.'

That is debatable. But what is not up for discussion is the powerful role he has played in sharpening her candidacy after its unexpected defeat in Iowa and turning it into the hyper-aggressive, smooth-running machine that has recently sunk its teeth firmly into Obama's campaign and now will not let go.

He has played the role of ferocious attack dog, letting loose on Obama's positions and campaigning style, using derisive language such as 'fairy tale' and making unfounded allegations about voter fraud. That has allowed Hillary to remain aloof from the fray in this state and take her campaign on to a national level, leaving her husband to criss-cross South Carolina while she heads off to the much bigger states that will vote on 5 February. At the same time he has used his huge contacts among black Americans and the high regard in which he is held by all Democrats to undermine Obama's appeal. 'The last weeks have validated a basic reality: Bill Clinton remains the most important Democratic figure in politics. There is no question about that,' said Larry Haas, a political commentator and former aide in the Clinton White House.

But behind the entire Clinton campaign has lain a huge negative assault, some of which can be traced back to the campaign itself and some of which cannot. It includes robocalls (pre-recorded automated messages) to voters mentioning Obama's middle name of 'Hussein' and websites set up to publicise Obama's tenuous links to a corrupt Chicago businessman.

Such mud-slinging has caused deep splits in the party, especially when it comes to Bill Clinton himself. An array of major figures have spoken out against the former president's tactics. Tom Daschle, a popular former senator, last week said Clinton was behaving in a way that was 'not presidential' while Robert Reich, Clinton's own former Labour Secretary, wrote, 'We're witnessing a smear campaign.' He slammed Bill Clinton's approach as 'ill-tempered and ill-founded'. The media has pulled even fewer punches. Columnist George Will described the Clintons' hardball tactics as 'intellectual sociopathy' in their willingness to twist the truth or make probably false claims. The New York Daily News began one story on the Democratic race with the words: 'Move over, Hatfields and McCoys! That blood feud is looking downright civil compared to the trash talk in the Democratic duel.'

There seems little sense that the war will abate any time soon. By the time the polls closed in South Carolina Bill Clinton was already scheduled for a campaign stop in Missouri. On Super Tuesday voters in more than 20 states - including California and New York with their rich harvest of convention delegates - will go to the polls. The Democrats face a protracted battle that could last through the spring and summer and even to the convention itself in Denver in August. Many ordinary Democrats think that could mean disaster. Sitting in the crowd at Walterboro was Jim Addison, a local businessman. 'The Clintons have turned this into a fight,' he said. 'I am not sure I like that.'

But, a few feet away, the former President on the Walterboro stage had no such worries. He walked on to cheers from many, including a white-haired old lady who had waited for an hour to grab a front row seat. Clinton blew her a kiss. She giggled and waved her arms like a teenager. He looked thoroughly at home back where he works best: on the campaign trail, doing what it takes to get to the White House. But there is one salient truth that few at the top of American politics will readily admit. In the Democratic battle, race has now firmly entered the fray. It is a genie that will be hard to cram back in the bottle and a harsh reality people on the ground know only too well. Take Father Don Abbott. The Roman Catholic priest has several churches in the Walterboro area and he simply laughs when asked to reveal whom he will vote for in the Democratic primary. 'I won't even say after I have voted,' he said. 'I have a white congregation, a black congregation and a Mexican congregation. Round here that sort of thing is best kept a secret.'

Perhaps it was inevitable that South Carolina would be the place where race entered the debate. More than 50 per cent of Democrats who vote in primaries are black and Obama has efficiently taken on the Clinton machine's longstanding relationship with black America. The response has been a series of attacks from 'surrogates' for Clinton's campaign that deliberately stoked up the race issue. They have ranged from mentioning Obama's admitted drug use as a young man to comparing him to the Sidney Poitier character in the movie Guess Who's Coming to Dinner. Obama's camp has detailed an extensive memo listing such instances of playing the race card and it makes for grim reading.

But it is effective campaigning. Obama's staff faces a dilemma. If he responds too aggressively he loses his core campaign theme of unity. If he fails to respond at all, he risks being seen as a black candidate, similar to leaders such as Jesse Jackson, who will have difficulty breaking out of a racial constituency.

At the moment Obama has decided on the first course. He has set up a 'Truth Squad' to combat attacks and unveiled a battling stump speech that takes aim at Hillary Clinton and her husband. In the rural town of Dillon, tucked away by the freeway in north-eastern South Carolina, the new-look fighting Obama was on display.

He rejected campaign convention and explicitly mentioned Clinton by name as he accused her of using 'Washington speak' to mislead voters. 'Senator Clinton says Barack is peddling false hopes. She says I'm a talker not a doer... there is nothing false about hope,' he said after he listed numerous examples of Clintonion political slipperiness.

The message was still powerful for the 500 people crammed into a high school gymnasium chanting and cheering his name in the long wait for him to appear. The almost entirely black crowd greeted him like a rock star. One of the few white supporters present, Sherrie Hyatt, was brutally honest about why most people in her home town had come. 'They want to see a black president. That would be an amazing thing in this country,' she said. There was little doubting the depth of Obama's support in the room, a remarkable achievement given that only a few months ago polls showed Clinton ahead on black support. Now that is history. Exit polls in the Nevada caucus last week showed more than 80 per cent of blacks voted for Obama. But that in itself is no guarantee of victory for the nomination. Indeed it seems only to ensure the Democratic battle will roar on and that race will be at the heart of that fight. For Major F. Brantley, a Dillon car mechanic, that prospect was a nightmare scenario. 'I'm not supporting Obama because he is black. I support him because I believe in him. But if we don't stop fighting soon then this is going to be very bad for the party,' he said.

Yet there did not seem to be any quick end in sight as the Democratic battle rolled out of South Carolina and into the rest of the country. With grim irony for many it has become a political war reminiscent of past battles with Republicans with its dirty tricks, Truth Squads and accusations of 'Swift Boating' the opposition via anonymous websites and surrogate speakers. Perhaps the greatest irony of the scrap is that rarely has the Democratic party been so united against a Republican president. Yet the savage civil war continues. At the start of last week, as Obama led a huge throng of supporters down a street in the port of Charleston, one of the most prominent banners in the protest did not mention Bush or the war in Iraq or healthcare. It read simply: 'No Clinton dynasty.'

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Its nice to see Hillary and Bill selfdestruct and show their true colors. Its amazing to me that she left SC without saying a word to her SC people. Big brush off. Then goes to Tennessee and hits a bunch of african american spots running down bullshit about MLK. Is she trying to repair the damage Bill has done? carrying out predetermined plans? Or just fuckin stupid to think black people didnt see what her and her hubby have been doing for the past month?
 
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Clinton put up an ad in Wisconsin yesterday attacking Obama for not
debating her this week, in Wisconsin. Now, Obama has a response ad
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Do-or-die Hillary turns bully as Obama starts to pull away

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Sunday Times (London)
February 17, 2007

THERE is an air of desperation in Hillary Clinton’s camp. The New York senator has embarked on a door-die mission to hector and bully her way to victory, putting her on a potential collision course with Democratic party leaders.

It is a risky strategy that could leave her more isolated and unpopular as voters defect to Barack Obama, the new front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination. Obama, 46, is being labelled a cultish, messianic figure who talks big but cannot deliver.

Clinton, 60, is being driven into her last redoubts as white women, blue collar workers and Hispanics – her core supporters – have begun to peel away. In public she is adopting a feistier tone and a more populist message against the Illinois senator in a bid to stem her losses.

“Speeches don’t put food on the table. Speeches don’t fill up your tank, or fill your prescription, or do anything about that stack of bills that keeps you up at night,” she said at a rally in Ohio, a swing state with a heavy component of “rust belt” working-class voters who are already feeling the effects of looming recession.

Privately, her mood has darkened after losing eight primaries and caucuses in a row. The reali-sation that without a series of huge victories in the remaining contests it is impossible for Clinton to win enough “pledged” delegates to clinch the nomination has sent her staff into shock.

Al Gore, the former vice-president, was revealed yesterday to be waiting in the wings to broker a deal should the “superdele-gates”, comprising 796 party figures, end up with a casting vote.

The New York Times reported that he had held talks with Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, and the former presidential candidates John Edwards, Joe Biden and Chris Dodd over how to avoid a bruising party battle. Tempers have been running high within the Clinton camp.

Her chief strategist, Mark Penn, got into a slanging match with the media consultant Mandy Grunwald at Clinton’s campaign headquarters. “Your ad doesn’t work,” he fumed.

“Oh it’s always the ad, never the message,” Grunwald shot back. Insiders say the atmosphere is dark, even though the fight is not over yet. Loyalty to Clinton remains strong, but there have been too many chiefs and not enough Indians, they complain.

The friends of Bill or “white boys”, as Penn and Terry McAu-liffe, the campaign chairman, are known, have long viewed “Hillaryland” – the closed circle of female friends – with suspicion.

Patti Solis Doyle, who coined the term “Hillaryland” and was axed as Clinton’s campaign manager last week, found herself in the midst of rows. “There was a feeling that nobody was in charge,” said one observer. “She would try to play honest broker and go to Hillary with, ‘Mark says this, Mandy says that, Howard [Wolfson, her communications chief] says this’ when what they needed was a general.”

Despite Solis Doyle’s legendary status as a second daughter to Clinton, she did not have the nerve to tell her the campaign was haemorrhaging cash at an alarming rate, a troubling sign of the fear and apprehension that Clinton inspires among staff. Clinton repaid the favour by not telling Solis Doyle she was going to put $5m of her own money into propping up her campaign.

Time that should be spent courting voters is now being devoted to fundraising after staff blew through a mind-boggling $130m and still ended up out-organised by Obama. In Wisconsin, a largely white working-class state that Clinton should be able to win on Tuesday, precious resources are being spent on a blast of negative advertisements challenging Obama’s refusal to debate with Clinton.

The latest polls put Obama ahead by 47% to 43%, but this weekend Clinton was fighting a rearguard action to restore her standing in the hope of pulling off a comeback reminiscent of the first primary in New Hamp-shire, which revived her fortunes after she finished third in the Iowa caucuses. Bill Clinton is also campaigning with begging bowl in hand for funds.

Daughter Chelsea, 27, has gone from silent campaign accessory to full-throttle surrogate, holding rallies of her own on college campuses. Only now is Clinton’s campaign beginning to invest in states that have yet to vote, after assuming that Obama would at this stage be out of the race.

Clinton’s camp has been circulating stories criticising the “cult” of Obama in the hope of portraying “Obamania” as a mass delusion. Media Matters, a watchdog organisation sympathetic to Clinton, compiled a report headlined, “Media figures call Obama supporters’ behaviour ‘creepy’, compare them to Hare Krishna and Charles Manson followers”.

It was forwarded by Sidney Blumenthal, a top Clinton adviser, to select reporters. The campaign entered a nasty phase last week with the determination of Clinton’s team to revive delegates from the “ghost” primaries of Michigan and Florida, by legal action if necessary.

The two states broke party rules by bringing forward their contests to January and were stripped of their delegates by the Democratic National Committee. The candidates did not formally compete in either state but Clinton won both handsomely.

“Two million people voted and their votes are going to count,” said Doug Hattaway, a Clinton spokesman.

They were not ruling out legal action. Even some Clinton supporters are aghast at the prospect that she might try to “steal” the election in this way. Obama leads by 1,301 delegates to 1,235, according to RealClearPolitics. Clinton will need the support of superdelegates to close the gap, unless she wins by margins of 20-30% in the large states of8 Texas and Ohio on March 4 and Pennsylvania on April 22.

Clinton dashed to Texas last Tuesday on the night she lost the “Potomac” primaries in Mary- land, Virginia and Washington DC by a landslide to Obama, prompting jokes about her last stand at the Alamo. Her Texas firewall may already be crumbling: one poll on Friday put Obama ahead by 48% to 42%, although she led in two others.

In Ohio, Clinton has the backing of Ted Strickland, the governor and a superdelegate who is often mentioned as a possible vice-presidential running mate. He said in an interview: “I tell you, when I go to the convention I’m going to vote for Hillary Clinton come hell or high water.”

The apocalyptic imagery may be appropriate. Many Democrats predict a bloody civil war should Obama be defeated by the white men in suits who have run the party for decades.

The demographics of Ohio should present fertile territory for Clinton. Its population is 84% white and it has a high proportion of blue-collar workers without higher education, earning less than $50,000 a year.

Strickland believes the voters have yet to get to know the warm-hearted, “deeply caring” Clinton: “I told her if people understood what motivates you to seek this office, if they understood what was in your heart, there wouldn’t be any contest.” Clinton has eschewed her softer side at this stage of the campaign to emphasise her credentials as a “fighter”.

Party leaders are watching her performance with apprehension, wondering if she really is willing to tear the Democrats apart in order to capture every last vote. Nancy Pelosi said: “It would bea problem for the party if the verdict would be something different than the public has decided.”

Some prominent African-American superdelegates are already switching sides after fearing that they had misjudged Obama’s strength among their own community. Obama’s ability to outmanoeuvre Clinton is showing in the battle for superdelegates.

Jason Altmire, a Pennsylvania congressman, said he remained on the fence for now – but was wondering whether he had a “moral obligation” to let voters know his preferred candidate.

Obama began calling Altmire in July, when he was 20 points behind in the polls. In November, Altmire had a long chat with Obama’s wife, Michelle, who outlined their strategy for victory and sent him a handwritten follow-up note afterwards.

At that stage there was no indication that the Pennsylvania primary – coming so late in the schedule – or his own vote as a superdelegate would matter, but Obama was already planning for the long game.

“They were really touching all the right bases,” Altmire said.

As yet he has not heard anything from the Clintons. Told of the congressman’s story, a spokesman for Clinton asked which state Altmire was from, expecting it to be an early-voting one.

“Pennsylvania? Oh, that is good,” he replied, looking taken aback. It is an extraordinary verdict on Clinton’s campaign that, this far into the race, the formerly inevitable winner is having to play catchup.

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If Hillary hits too hard, or at least what is deemed by us to be too hard, does she then run
the risk of losing (a) the Black support that she now has; and (b) the Black support that
she would pick up should Obama not win the nomination and is not named as a running
mate?

I think she should. There has to be a limit to mofo's willing to abuse us for their gain.
If she sinks to the levels that it is said she can reach, how do we just take that shit
and reward her ass later ???

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QueEx
Hear, Hear!!! :yes:
 
He won't hit back so it does not matter. She has seen nothing from him to deter her so I can only imagine it getting worse and him coming off message - again - to defend himself sat to say...
 
Re: Hillary: How Hard to Hit Obama ? - K N O C K * T H A T * B I T CH * O U T !

Don't know if Obama has any eyes on BGOL, but somebody better tell him this "above the fray" shit AIN'T working. He's gotta pound tha fuck outta Hilda YESTERDAY if he wants the nom.

If he thinks he can coast til the convention, he's gone. All she has to do is make a decent showing going into the convention and her people'll talk that "people still have reservations" shit and you'll see more shifting than Monique's butt cheeks.

Just stomp that bitch good in a coupla non-Black states and she's gone!
 
Re: Hillary: How Hard to Hit Obama ? - K N O C K * T H A T * B I T CH * O U T !

Don't know if Obama has any eyes on BGOL, but somebody better tell him this "above the fray" shit AIN'T working. He's gotta pound tha fuck outta Hilda YESTERDAY if he wants the nom.

If he thinks he can coast til the convention, he's gone. All she has to do is make a decent showing going into the convention and her people'll talk that "people still have reservations" shit and you'll see more shifting than Monique's butt cheeks.

Just stomp that bitch good in a coupla non-Black states and she's gone!
Agreed, but he has to be tactical, factual and on the offensive for once. Going negative just to be negative is not hot.
 
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kenbgco68
nyyyyce,

What do you suggest he do? In a paragraph or so, give Barack the orders he is to follow the rest of the way.

QueEx
 
Re: Hillary: How Hard to Hit Obama ? - K N O C K * T H A T * B I T CH * O U T !

Just go after her the same way she's going after him! Put HER on the defense and force HER to respond to serious questions about her honesty, record and character.

Here's my top 10:

1 - When she called him elitist, he shoulda talked about her having $100 mil in the bank, and McCrazy owning 8 houses and a wife worth over $100 mil, too. I was waiting for the "I'm the poorest man in this campaign!" line, but it never came.

2 - It shoulda been over when she was caught lying a 3rd time (Ireland, NAFTA, then Bosnia). She's done more damage to her own campaign then he has. WHEN she lies again a 4th time (just wait, she will), it can end that night if he do what he needs to do.

3 - Talk about how she can't even manage her own campaign finances, wasting money and loaning her campaign millions every few weeks. I was waiting for the "If she can't even manage her own money, how do you expect her to manage yours?" line, but it never came.

4 - He ought to ask people to change how they elect candidates. You know, 'the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting different results.' I was waiting for the "If you want politicians to be different, then YOU have to choose them differently" line, but it never came.

5 - Attack her character. She's a serial liar, like Bill. Hammer her on it because she has no credibility on truth.

6 - Talk about her shady friends and all their criminal friends who went to jail, and why so many -former- Clinton friends are backing him, not her.

7 - Dismiss the PA vote. Say it was her hometown and he closed a 20-point gap down to 8 pts in a few weeks. He's done this for EVERY election where she was ahead. Say how the more people know about Hillary, the less they like her.

8 - Talk about her lack of judgment on the Iraq war and health care. Make sure people remember it. I was waiting for the "She had 1 job to do in her husband's administration, health care, and she couldn't even do that!" line, but it never came.

9 - If anybody accuses him of going negative, he should say something like "How come when when she lies about my record and my character, she's being 'a tough politician,' but when I simply respond to her lies with the truth, it's 'going negative?' The American people and I have been patient with her, but we've had enough of her lies and we won't sit still for them any longer.

10 - Just find 1 issue a week and hammer her on it. Repubs do this and win every time. If he does the same to McCrazy in the general election (like Bush did to him in 2000), he'll be swearing on a bible in Jan '09.

Hate to see him come this far and fuck up like Gore and Kerry. This shit's bothering me, so thanks for letting me air out. - One Angry Brotha

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Re: Hillary: How Hard to Hit Obama ? - K N O C K * T H A T * B I T CH * O U T !

Just go after her the same way she's going after him! Put HER on the defense and force HER to respond to serious questions about her honesty, record and character.

Here's my top 10:

1 - When she called him elitist, he shoulda talked about her having $100 mil in the bank, and McCrazy owning 8 houses and a wife worth over $100 mil, too. I was waiting for the "I'm the poorest man in this campaign!" line, but it never came.

2 - It shoulda been over when she was caught lying a 3rd time (Ireland, NAFTA, then Bosnia). She's done more damage to her own campaign then he has. WHEN she lies again a 4th time (just wait, she will), it can end that night if he do what he needs to do.

3 - Talk about how she can't even manage her own campaign finances, wasting money and loaning her campaign millions every few weeks. I was waiting for the "If she can't even manage her own money, how do you expect her to manage yours?" line, but it never came.

4 - He ought to ask people to change how they elect candidates. You know, 'the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting different results.' I was waiting for the "If you want politicians to be different, then YOU have to choose them differently" line, but it never came. (excellent :yes:)

5 - Attack her character. She's a serial liar, like Bill. Hammer her on it because she has no credibility on truth.

6 - Talk about her shady friends and all their criminal friends who went to jail, and why so many -former- Clinton friends are backing him, not her.

7 - Dismiss the PA vote. Say it was her hometown and he closed a 20-point gap down to 8 pts in a few weeks. He's done this for EVERY election where she was ahead. Say how the more people know about Hillary, the less they like her.

8 - Talk about her lack of judgment on the Iraq war and health care. Make sure people remember it. I was waiting for the "She had 1 job to do in her husband's administration, health care, and she couldn't even do that!" line, but it never came.

9 - If anybody accuses him of going negative, he should say something like "How come when when she lies about my record and my character, she's being 'a tough politician,' but when I simply respond to her lies with the truth, it's 'going negative?' The American people and I have been patient with her, but we've had enough of her lies and we won't sit still for them any longer.

10 - Just find 1 issue a week and hammer her on it. Repubs do this and win every time.:yes::yes: If he does the same to McCrazy in the general election (like Bush did to him in 2000), he'll be swearing on a bible in Jan '09.

Hate to see him come this far and fuck up like Gore and Kerry
.:eek:...:smh: This shit's bothering me, so thanks for letting me air out. - One Angry Brotha

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Dude, 4real, you wrote almost everything I was going to. Your suggestions are stellar and precise. The only thing is I would stay away from certain character attacks because she will ratchet up her Rev. Wright spears just for such an occasion. However, 1,2,3,4,7,8,9 and 10 are sweet son 4real.:yes::yes:


I am not going to add too much, suggestion wise, but by piecing together a few of my other post, I hope to show how Obama keeps declining legitimate opportunities to go on the offensive and start shaping the narrative in his favor and seem assertive without being negative.

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Dude, you got it half right. This misconception is so pervasive and I have no idea where it comes form. The WORST thing that Obama said about Hillary the last two months was that she was Annie Oakly (sp). That's it.:hmm: Even that was in response to her charges of him being an elitist.

Let's be clear. Obama DID NOT exploit or go negative with:

1. Bosnia
2. Bill Clinton's lies about how many times Hillary made the 3. Bosnia Claims
4. Hillary's lies about how many times she made the claims
5. Bill saying that when your 60 see how you respond (which would have drove a steak through the heart of her judgment and ability to not only answer the phone at 3 am, but to be coherent).
6. Mark Penn working for Columbia to keep NAFTA in place
7. Mark Penn being DEMOTED and not fired
8. White house records putting Hillary at NAFTA support meetings
9. Her continued assertion that Iran is getting a nuke despite the NIE report.
10. Her virtually assuring nuclear annihilation for an attack on Israel.

How can you or ANYONE say he went negative, let alone addressed these issues in the media every day? HE DIDN'T. Why people keep saying we went negative if a fallacy. The media says he's negative because... he responds?!?!? You have to say something when your black, raised by a single mom, knew no privilege and are labeled and "Elitists".:smh: GTFOH man!! That he allowed that S*** to stick to him was deplorable - but HE's negative...right.

He actually did not do ANYTHING which has been my problem with him for nearly a year.:hmm:


He's got the war, Iran, NAFTA all in his back pocket to use against her tactfully without going negative and he probably, if history is the guide, still won't use them.
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How do you NOT take advantage of the Bosnia flap, which was legitimate opening for him to attack because she was using it as a trump card for experience plus her 3 AM ad? He does not want to go negative, BUT he makes a counter 3 am ad AND a counter "bitter" ad withing a 24 hour time frame BUT HE CAN'T INITIATE A DEBATE ON ANYTHING INCLUDING HILLARY PUTTING US IN THE CROSS HAIRS OF A POTENTIAL NUCLEAR WAR?!?!?!? That make no F-N sense despite how much you root for the man - none.:smh:

Come on fam, I am a supporter of Barak, but this S*** is beyond ridiculous at this stage. I am not talking about going negative, I'm talking about being tactical and offensive for once:yes:. Ir Barak would have said what SHE said about Iran it would be all over the news. Beside the fact, the N.I.E that Stephanopolus used in the debate was WRONG. Iran IS NOT capable or pursing a nuclear weapon according to the NIE. OBAMA should have nailed her then for NOT KNOWING THE FACTS. :hmm:...:smh:



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Hell, Obama OWNS the no vote for the war and he STILL does not make the reality of this debacle the centerpiece of his campaign - not bludgeoning us with the "I was against the war before the war" line either. I mean the wounded, PTSD victims, suicides, etc.
 
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Dude, Chris Matthews just ripped that -ish. He must have a spy on BGOL. I will post the segment as soon as it comes on. You not the only one seeing the misses opportunities.:dance::yes::dance:
 
Re: Hillary: How Hard to Hit Obama ? - K N O C K * T H A T * B I T CH * O U T !

That's it, he's not fighting for it. Almost looks like his advisors are trying to throw it to Hilda.

I'm starting to think Hilda's gonna get the nom cuz he's easing up. As long as a Dem gets in, don't matter to me even tho I don't like either Clinton. I actually think she's more likely to get the job done in November than Barack.

If she does HALF the shit to McCrazy she did to Barack, she's a lock.
 
Re: Hillary: How Hard to Hit Obama ? - K N O C K * T H A T * B I T CH * O U T !

That's it, he's not fighting for it. Almost looks like his advisors are trying to throw it to Hilda.

I'm starting to think Hilda's gonna get the nom cuz he's easing up. As long as a Dem gets in, don't matter to me even tho I don't like either Clinton. I actually think she's more likely to get the job done in November than Barack.

If she does HALF the shit to McCrazy she did to Barack, she's a lock.


Ha!

Sad, but potentially true.
 
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kenbgco68
nyyyyce,

Gentlemen, both of you are urging that Obama go on the attack. I tend to disagree for the same reason as Karl Rove in the May 5, 2008 issue of Newsweek Magazine:
"Stop the attacks. They undermine your claim to a post-partisan new politics. You soared when you seemed above politics, lost altitude when you did what you criticize. Attacks are momentarily satisfying but ultimately corrode your appeal."​
Is Rove right or just trying to fuck Barack up ?

QueEx
 
Re: Hillary: How Hard to Hit Obama ? - K N O C K * T H A T * B I T CH * O U T !

Don't know what the fuck Rove's talkin about. He hasn't made ANY attacks on Hilda. She woulda been gone months ago if he went as hard on her as she has on him.

I think Rove wants Hilda. He knows Hilda has much higher negatives than Obama, so McCain can easily beat her. This is the same guy who had an 'exorcism' performed in her office before he started using it.

http://www.americanpapist.com/2006/09/book-claims-karl-rove-exorcised.html
 
Clinton supporter planning "holy chaos" for Obama camp

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If you traditionally vote Democratic, you have to be appalled
and incensed that these white folk would go to such lengths to
disrupt, abort and otherwise undermind Barack Obama receiving
the Democratic Nomination.

If they will abandon the Democratic Party for white sakes,
Will WE abandon the Democratic Party for Black sakes ???

If Hillary doesn't come out against this, <u>hard</u> <u>and</u> <u>soon</u>, you will know
what white folks will do; it will then be left to see what we will do.


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