Hillary Clinton vs Bernie Sanders (2020)

This thread is full of a bunch of politically illiterate morons. I can’t even with most of y’all. If you got out of your “woke” political bubble long enough to see reality, You might actually be useful.
I don’t post that often anymore, and God knows I ain’t got the time to explain it to y’all but FUUUUCK! My people infuriate me so much sometimes. Perishing for a lack of easily discernible, digestible, and available knowledge. ☹

I’ll just ask you this. This shouldn’t be any of y’all’s first rodeo in this country or dealing with issues of money and influence versus the working class, and/or underserved communities of color.
Which seems more Likely? That Centrists, Republicans, Corporate Media, Corporate Newspapers, Corporate Talk Shows, and Woke Twitter are all coalescing to protect humanity, the working class, and black and brown folks that they don’t give a fuck about, other than for purposes of labor and votes every 4 years; from the “evil” threat of Bernie Sanders?

Or that they share a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, keeping people misinformed & unable to resist or wrest back power? There is literally either no mention of Bernie on regular television, or a 24 hour smear cycle trotting out people that y’all know ain’t living right. Yet you’re still propping it up and falling for it hook, line, and SUCKER.
 
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Bernie was making noise that he was going to contest her win. He didn't try to bring his supporters in line until the convention, and then he only half assed it. I posted on here at the time what he said, and his supporters showing out in Arizona during the primaries.

He chose to run using the dem machine, and either didn't know, didn't care, or didn't think what it entailed applied to him, and then wanted to bitch about the process. A guest in the dem house. If he thought he had the juice to do it on his own, he would have done so.

I don't think you realize how bad the harassment was during 2016, and it never really stopped. That's why, tho I will vote for him if he gets the nomination, I'm taking a bit of petty enjoyment in all the tweets, and lots of other people are too. I think when it comes down to it, the folks bitching will also get in line and vote for him if he wins, but as I've said before, the time to vet and pick apart folks is in the primary, so I don't have a problem with this happening at this time. Once the primary is over, then speaking against the winner instead of calling for unity is what I'd take issue with.

Hillary didn't lie with what she said about Trump, she was right about Tulsi, why would I think she was wrong about Sanders?

I recall a surrogate after the 2016 primary talking about the opposition research they had on Bernie. She said she couldn't give details because of the non disclosure signed, but that it was devastating. Trump is trying to get Bernie as an opponent for a reason. Hes even trying to rile up Bernie Bros saying Bernie is being cheated. I'm sure Hillary knows stuff she hasnt shared.



I get where you are coming from and I shared your general viewpoint in 2016. what was eye-opening in for me is just how deep the corruption of the neoliberal/bill clinton/joe Biden wing of the democratic party goes. for example the dem party identity used to be about protecting the interest of the working class and protecting unions etc. But they figured out that so much money was pouring into campaigns from corporations that it was better to just protect the interest of the professional class while paying lip service to identity issues, and selling out the financial interest of regular working middle-class folk.

so they make deals with the right to deregulate the banks, make it more difficult for regular folk to declare bankruptcy, cut welfare benefits, make unfair tax cuts permanent, make it illegal to negotiate drug prices, and a thousand other small cuts that mean that the general public gets less and less govt protection and corporations and the wealthy get to keep more money through lower taxes and also get to make more money through the removal of checks and balances.

My point is that the neo-libs moved the party away from the working class and Bernie has been fighting for the working class for 40 years. Given that no one faction owns a party, I would say that he has just a much right to move the party back to workers first as the neo-libs had in moving it toward money first.

I hate to throw Corey Booker under the bus but he, as a likable dem that seems to be good on all neoliberal issues, is a perfect example of how these politicians are owned by special interest (money first).
1. folks are dying because they can't afford their meds.
2. big pharma is making record billions in profit.
3. in a capitalist economy it is somehow illegal to negotiate drug prices
4, a bill is introduced to reduce drug prices by importing from Canada
5. bill almost passes but is stopped by GOP and dems who just happen to benefit from big pharma money
6. booker's excuse for helping to kill the bill is the SAFETY of drugs from Canada
7. Ther are no safety concerns with Canadian drugs that cost a fraction of American drug prices

The real game is not left vs right but is about the age-old big money talks and everyone else gets screwed



The reason that working folk on the left and right are so angry is that they no longer have an advocate on the one issue that affects the quality of life the most - MONEY. They have no choice but to scream and protest if they ever want to be heard; and they hate Hillary most because she proudly represents wallstreet and the neoliberal agenda that removed the democratic party as the opposition to money-first politics.
 
I get where you are coming from and I shared your general viewpoint in 2016. what was eye-opening in for me is just how deep the corruption of the neoliberal/bill clinton/joe Biden wing of the democratic party goes. for example the dem party identity used to be about protecting the interest of the working class and protecting unions etc. But they figured out that so much money was pouring into campaigns from corporations that it was better to just protect the interest of the professional class while paying lip service to identity issues, and selling out the financial interest of regular working middle-class folk.

so they make deals with the right to deregulate the banks, make it more difficult for regular folk to declare bankruptcy, cut welfare benefits, make unfair tax cuts permanent, make it illegal to negotiate drug prices, and a thousand other small cuts that mean that the general public gets less and less govt protection and corporations and the wealthy get to keep more money through lower taxes and also get to make more money through the removal of checks and balances.

My point is that the neo-libs moved the party away from the working class and Bernie has been fighting for the working class for 40 years. Given that no one faction owns a party, I would say that he has just a much right to move the party back to workers first as the neo-libs had in moving it toward money first.

I hate to throw Corey Booker under the bus but he, as a likable dem that seems to be good on all neoliberal issues, is a perfect example of how these politicians are owned by special interest (money first).
1. folks are dying because they can't afford their meds.
2. big pharma is making record billions in profit.
3. in a capitalist economy it is somehow illegal to negotiate drug prices
4, a bill is introduced to reduce drug prices by importing from Canada
5. bill almost passes but is stopped by GOP and dems who just happen to benefit from big pharma money
6. booker's excuse for helping to kill the bill is the SAFETY of drugs from Canada
7. Ther are no safety concerns with Canadian drugs that cost a fraction of American drug prices

The real game is not left vs right but is about the age-old big money talks and everyone else gets screwed



The reason that working folk on the left and right are so angry is that they no longer have an advocate on the one issue that affects the quality of life the most - MONEY. They have no choice but to scream and protest if they ever want to be heard; and they hate Hillary most because she proudly represents wallstreet and the neoliberal agenda that removed the democratic party as the opposition to money-first politics.

The GOP is not going to pass campaign finance laws or try to get citizens united overturned. Dems claim they will and I believe the house may have passed bills that died in the Senate. Until dems are in power with veto proof majorities in both houses, we'll never find out.

Initially I was a Bernie supporter. He had a good economic message and he was on fire during the health care discussions. I was happy when he said he would run.

Once he was on the national stage tho, the flaws became apparent. He was limited to an economic message. I watched netroots nation live online when BLM interrupted the first time. Initially he wouldn't even recognize race played a role in the economic advancement of black folks. He didn't really care about police brutality. He called our issues "identity politics." He has now started saying the right things because he is surrounded by a bunch of savvy black folks, but ever so often he falls back on his original message, so I'm not convinced he has been converted, he is just saying what he needs to to get votes.

I don't think there is malice behind his behavior, he has never had to deal with black issues. Black folks are less than 3% of the VT population, (but 10% of their prison population. ) in that way he would be better than Trump, who is actively working against minority populations. Any thing he does to help Americans in general will help us also.



 
The shills are trying their best not to post that even though that has been their logic since day one.

Just goes to show that most Democratic have less morals than Republicans.

:smh:




But but
If she isn't backing him, that mUsT mEAn ShE WanT TrUMp Ta wIN..
 
Not surprised you have more reverence for a washed up racist white woman than the so-called black, native-Americans.

:smh: Sanders, trump, and clinton need to go away and never be heard of again.

Bernie supporters are exactly like Trump supporters. They'll pounce and attack anyone who doesn't cosign their guy. The amount of misogyny and racism I've seen from them online is mind-boggling.
 
Where are the @Watcher 's and others of the world to denounce this divisive display?
Dont they know that OUR democracy is stake?!
We cant afford another 4 years of the worse president in the history of presidents!
 
The GOP is not going to pass campaign finance laws or try to get citizens united overturned. Dems claim they will and I believe the house may have passed bills that died in the Senate. Until dems are in power with veto proof majorities in both houses, we'll never find out.

Initially I was a Bernie supporter. He had a good economic message and he was on fire during the health care discussions. I was happy when he said he would run.

Once he was on the national stage tho, the flaws became apparent. He was limited to an economic message. I watched netroots nation live online when BLM interrupted the first time. Initially he wouldn't even recognize race played a role in the economic advancement of black folks. He didn't really care about police brutality. He called our issues "identity politics." He has now started saying the right things because he is surrounded by a bunch of savvy black folks, but ever so often he falls back on his original message, so I'm not convinced he has been converted, he is just saying what he needs to to get votes.

I don't think there is malice behind his behavior, he has never had to deal with black issues. Black folks are less than 3% of the VT population, (but 10% of their prison population. ) in that way he would be better than Trump, who is actively working against minority populations. Any thing he does to help Americans in general will help us also.





You are 100% right. Also, here is where I give Bernie the benefit of the doubt where you or others may not. early on he thought that the number one thing to help African American was to solve the wealth gap:


He is probably right that if the average black family went from $8 in wealth to $250,000 in wealth their quality of life would be more positively affected than by almost any identity politics issue. after all, that money means you have:
1. to power to sue a corrupt police department,
2. the time to run for the school board,
3. the resources to start a small business,
4. don't have to worry about healthcare bankruptcy,
5. can create a political lobby that can compete to remove judges and sheriffs
6. the power to own and invest in your own neighborhood

His messaging was flawed because folks don't want seemingly indirect solutions to in-your-face racism. But racist policies that have done the most damage to black communities have been indirect and systemic. red-lining being the most cited example. The klan learned long ago that covert systemic racism is the most effective and difficult to eradicate. The laws against marijuana did not state that it was only illegal for minorities. they just did not enforce that law against whites. the stop and frisk laws just happen to only be applied to certain neighborhoods while there are literal movies made about the piles of cocaine on Wallstreet. it goes on and on.

The only way to stop the carnage is to gain enough political capital to hold those in power accountable and the only way to do that in this society is with MONEY. CAC brad ain't scared of the sheriff because his rich uncle will get the sheriff fired if he gets out of line. He is afraid of the ATF because his network does not stretch far enough to influence the investigation of a federal entity.

I really want to believe that Money is not the only thing that matters but the more I think about it ...

BTW if you watch King in the Wilderness you will see that when MLK saw that uniting the masses of the poor and middle class (white and black) against the system was the best way to defeat racism; that is when he became an unacceptable threat to the status quo.

You should check out why Bernie earned Killer Mike's endorsement
 
I watched netroots nation live online when BLM interrupted the first time. Initially he wouldn't even recognize race played a role in the economic advancement of black folks. He didn't really care about police brutality. He called our issues "identity politics." He has now started saying the right things because he is surrounded by a bunch of savvy black folks, but ever so often he falls back on his original message, so I'm not convinced he has been converted, he is just saying what he needs to to get votes.




Those stats about incarceration rates are troubling. the klan does have a standing order to infiltrate law enforcement and target non-whites. this fact combined with for-profit prison systems that tend not to incarcerate those with political capital are good places to start to explain this problem.

I do not see how is it possible how a single senator or congressman can enact the sweeping changes needed to address those issues but i could be missing something

It is interesting that this video portrays his reaction to that BLM protest in a positive light while your reaction is what is is.


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Nothing she said was wrong. Her timing may be questionable but that's about it.
We know she lost to the russo-trump syndicate. And oh, by the way, NOTHING has been done to address voting machine tampering. What a shock. Plus they've doubled down on voter suppression. They are desperate to stay in power because once they're out, the cell doors will start closing.
Whoever the opponent is, they get my vote because trump has got to go.
 
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Where are the @Watcher 's and others of the world to denounce this divisive display?
Dont they know that OUR democracy is stake?!
We cant afford another 4 years of the worse president in the history of presidents!
November 15th, 2018
Oh cmon..Trump has said blatant racist shit multiple times about Stacey Abrams in the last week. I was going to start a thread but didn’t have time. Did you comment on that?

Anyway, I said over 6 months ago Hillary needs to stop talking and go away. Still applies.
What more do you need to see me post?
 
In 2016 I voted for Bernie and in the NJ primaries.... not his biggest fan, but I didn't like the way Hillary kinda made a joke about some of the questions she was asked about her server being wiped. I knew she was going to win the nomination though and voted for her in the general. Wasn't in love with either of them, but either of them are/were better than trump. It makes me mad that Bernie slow walked his support for her after she had the nomination on lock, and it makes me mad that she's playing shy about saying she would support him if he gets the 2020 nomination on lock. Shit, hate each other, that's fine, but don't play when it comes to being on one page against the orange one.

For 2020, I'm still not the biggest Bernie fan, but would support him in the general.... I just can't see him getting the nomination. 78 year old who had a fucking heart attack at the beginning of primary season.... that shit doesn't inspire confidence.

I like some of Bernies policies but his supporters are the worst. :smh: It is also hilarious that Hillary is pissed at Bernie when she invented that dumb shit in 2008 when Obama took "her" nomination. I will never forget the actual hate her supporters (Remember PUMA) had for Obama and their refusal to support him or the Democratic Party.
 
I like some of Bernies policies but his supporters are the worst. :smh: It is also hilarious that Hillary is pissed at Bernie when she invented that dumb shit in 2008 when Obama took "her" nomination. I will never forget the actual hate her supporters (Remember PUMA) had for Obama and their refusal to support him or the Democratic Party.
The difference...

"Four days after Barack Obama effectively clinched the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008, Hillary Clinton endorsed him. Four weeks after Clinton effectively clinched her party's 2016 nomination, Bernie Sanders still hadn't endorsed her."
 
The New Hillary Clinton Documentary Reignites the Clinton-Sanders Beef
By Amanda Gordon
Photo: Getty Images

Hillary Clinton still isn’t feeling the Bern. In her upcoming documentary, Hillary, the longtime politician and former presidential candidate is highly dismissive of the senator from Vermont. “Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done,” Clinton said in the docuseries, which is set to premiere at the Sundance Film Festival this week and hits Hulu on March 6. Clinton added, “He was a career politician. It’s all just baloney and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it.” In an interview with The Hollywood Reporter, Clinton stuck by her assessment and, when asked if she would endorse Sanders if he received the Democratic nomination, refused to give an affirmative answer:

I’m not going to go there yet. We’re still in a very vigorous primary season. I will say, however, that it’s not only him, it’s the culture around him. It’s his leadership team. It’s his prominent supporters. It’s his online Bernie Bros and their relentless attacks on lots of his competitors, particularly the women. And I really hope people are paying attention to that because it should be worrisome that he has permitted this culture — not only permitted, [he] seems to really be very much supporting it.
Bernie supporters were quick to respond, defending the candidate with an #ILikeBernie hashtag.

 
:lol: I told her fans she is on some bullshit. First the :eek: "Russia" shit instead of admitting she ran at shit campaign, now she still talking shit on Sanders. This points to what I said all the fuck along. She didn't handle that 2016 L well at all. Bitch lives in her own reality.

Only thing missing is she ain't call him a Russian agent. Maybe she'll do that next. :smh:

Bitch got the nerve to say 'nobody likes him' when the only person more unlikable than her was Trump -- and barely if the polling was right.

Were in the early stages of a paradigm shift.. People are waking up to this bullshit being played on the masses.. Im just glad Im alive to witness and watch this shit play out!!
 
Apple and mangoes
Breh
How so?

You asked where was I on this divisive display. As I said in the past Hillary needs to stop talking and go away. Let the people currently running for the Democratic nomination talk and be in the spotlight.
 
Not surprised you have more reverence for a washed up racist white woman than the so-called black, native-Americans.

:smh: Sanders, trump, and clinton need to go away and never be heard of again.

Good reply X, Sooner or later brothas and sistas gotta start seeing whats right in front of us and start seeing our great family member were the copper color people these colonist ran into when they landed in our country!! All this information is public record, they tried to hide and lie about our past but they cant hide everything or lie about everything..

YOur spot on about those politicians
 
Fun fact: Bernie did more campaigns events for Hillary in 2016 than Hillary did for Obama in 2008
 
Nobody likes him, but her own party had to lie and cheat to get her unlikable ass the nod against him. This bitch salty as fuck.
 
Those stats about incarceration rates are troubling. the klan does have a standing order to infiltrate law enforcement and target non-whites. this fact combined with for-profit prison systems that tend not to incarcerate those with political capital are good places to start to explain this problem.

I do not see how is it possible how a single senator or congressman can enact the sweeping changes needed to address those issues but i could be missing something

It is interesting that this video portrays his reaction to that BLM protest in a positive light while your reaction is what is is.


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His reaction to BLM was positive, especially in comparison with literally EVERY other white politician including Hillary. Bernie listened to them that day and let them speak. Then he got People around him and let them inform his views and values. He evolved from a straight economic message to a more comprehensive one.

Yet all the mainstream media trots out there are the same smear tropes from 2016 created in the Hillary Clinton camp. “Bernie Bros” when Bernie has the largest multi-racial and multicultural coalition of any candidate, and over 60% of his supporters are women. Bernie has no black support, when an overwhelming majority of black folks under 35, and plenty over 35 (like myself) support him.

Mainstream media trots out these same old tired and credibly false tropes about Bernie and the people that don’t like him spread it, and the misinformed drink it up. There’s a reason why Bernie is the most liked and trusted politician in the country, with an absurd 76% approval rating, and it ain’t white people. Especially when as we know, enough of them still support Trump.
 
I guess these Hillary supporters forgot about the way she treated Obama like a house nigga..



And check out the shade she throws at Mrs. Obama

 
The New Hillary Clinton Documentary Reignites the Clinton-Sanders Beef
By Amanda Gordon
Photo: Getty Images

Hillary Clinton still isn’t feeling the Bern. In her upcoming documentary, Hillary, the longtime politician and former presidential candidate is highly dismissive of the senator from Vermont. “Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done,” Clinton said in the docuseries, which is set to premiere at the Sundance Film Festival this week and hits Hulu on March 6. Clinton added, “He was a career politician. It’s all just baloney and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it.” In an interview with The Hollywood Reporter, Clinton stuck by her assessment and, when asked if she would endorse Sanders if he received the Democratic nomination, refused to give an affirmative answer:


Bernie supporters were quick to respond, defending the candidate with an #ILikeBernie hashtag.


The funny thi
Nobody likes him, but her own party had to lie and cheat to get her unlikable ass the nod against him. This bitch salty as fuck.

Nonsense...
She had won more primaries than Bernie did. Bernie had won.more fucking straw polls. Straw polls?
 
The difference...

"Four days after Barack Obama effectively clinched the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008, Hillary Clinton endorsed him. Four weeks after Clinton effectively clinched her party's 2016 nomination, Bernie Sanders still hadn't endorsed her."

Bernie held out in 2016 until Clinton’s stubborn ass finally adopted some of the progressive goals to her platform. That’s what Leaders of movements that actually live their values do. As soon as she did that, Bernie worked his ass off to get her elected. More than any other rival had previously, and damn sure more than Hillary did for Obama in 2008 or for herself in 2016.

Hell, even Rachel Maddow was celebrating the fact that Bernie did 41 campaign events for Hillary (including 39 solo rallies) in 14 states over 3 months. Shit, Hillary sent him a public letter thanking him herself, which she conveniently never mentions, when she’s smearing him.

Don’t blame Bernie for Hillary’s failure. Her punk ass was the one that chose not to even do a flyover of many of the rust belt states.
And before you bring out the next scripted smear, far more Bernie supporters voted for HRC in 2016 than HRC supporters voted for Obama in 2008. Remember PUMA (Party Unity My Ass)?
 
The difference...

"Four days after Barack Obama effectively clinched the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008, Hillary Clinton endorsed him. Four weeks after Clinton effectively clinched her party's 2016 nomination, Bernie Sanders still hadn't endorsed her."
She wanted a VP nomination....
Damn negro....peep game...
 
Bernie held out in 2016 until Clinton’s stubborn ass finally adopted some of the progressive goals to her platform. That’s what Leaders of movements that actually live their values do. As soon as she did that, Bernie worked his ass off to get her elected. More than any other rival had previously, and damn sure more than Hillary did for Obama in 2008 or for herself in 2016.

Hell, even Rachel Maddow was celebrating the fact that Bernie did 41 campaign events for Hillary (including 39 solo rallies) in 14 states over 3 months. Shit, Hillary sent him a public letter thanking him herself, which she conveniently never mentions, when she’s smearing him.

Don’t blame Bernie for Hillary’s failure. Her punk ass was the one that chose not to even do a flyover of many of the rust belt states.
And before you bring out the next scripted smear, far more Bernie supporters voted for HRC in 2016 than HRC supporters voted for Obama in 2008. Remember PUMA (Party Unity My Ass)?
You can spin it all you want but Bernie is one of the biggest reasons Trump was elected. He allowed his supporters to stew in their hate and he also half ass endorsed Clinton. The dude was playing with fire, just as he is doing today with his racist ass supporters.
Btw if Hillary shouldn't blame Bernie. Then Bernie and his supporters shouldn't blame Hillary or anyone else for his failure to capture the Democratic nomination.
 
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She wanted a VP nomination....
Damn negro....peep game...

What she wanted is irrelevant. What is relevant is unlike Bernie she did not wait weeks to endorse Obana and she (unlike Bernie) actually endorsed her former rival.
 
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