Help Me Out: Where Are the Persecuted Gay People??

[Upgrade Dave]

I am not thinking from emotional dictates of what is considered 'moral' behavior, I am thinking from what the 'rule of law' dictates and since child sex rings are a big thing among the unseen elite, it becomes a grand possibility that they are putting their money, and ideology behind the same sex issue for this purpose. For in some countries this 'sexual behavior' is not seen as illegal nor immoral and since american elites are a big part of that 'lifestyle' who is to say that many in the american publis are not being goaded into getting that wording added to the constitution to be litigated on their behalf in the future.

You do know that the bush family was accused of this at one time.

http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/franklin.htm

P.S not trying to take this thread topic in a different direction, simply proposing a theory on why the gay agenda is so predominate in the media today.

To call that a massive overreach is an understatement and is based solely on some emotional tenet because thinking with your logical side would tell you that there is not now or ever and there has never been a serious movement to legalize abusing children or animals so equating as the same as two legal, consenting adults is preposterous and take the "sliding slope" theory and turns it on it's ear.
The "Gay Agenda" is perceived as dominate because there are a lot of gays in the entertainment industry for one and gays spend a lot of money for two. It's really that simple.

a gay couple can never have equality because there is on equality / balance in a GAY relationship........ 2 dick sucka's or 2 pussy lickers cant reproduce.... faggz & dykes dont contribute any thing positive to society nor do they contribute to the continuation of society..... no off spring.... marriage should be illegal... adopting children should be illegal....fagotry should be illegal...

Assuming through all the smilies that there is a shred of seriousness in this answer does that mean that adults who can't bear children shouldn't be allowed to marry since that's your metric now?

 

[woodchuck]

a gay couple can never have equality because there is on equality / balance in a GAY relationship........ 2 dick sucka's or 2 pussy lickers cant reproduce.... faggz & dykes dont contribute any thing positive to society nor do they contribute to the continuation of society..... no off spring.... marriage should be illegal... adopting children should be illegal....fagotry should be illegal...

If "regular" marriage is so special, sacred, and important, then why don't they make adultery a prisonable offense and outlaw divorce?

 

[Upgrade Dave]

If "regular" marriage is so special, sacred, and important, then why don't they make adultery a prisonable offense and outlaw divorce?

Because people in power like to fuck around and get divorces.
Simple.

 

[woodchuck]

Because people in power like to fuck around and get divorces.
Simple.

VERY true!

 

[ShortyCumStain]

Niggas gettin' emotional as hell in this thread. It seems to have ruffled some feathers.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Why do they have to do that? You get it from this place and can put your wife as a beneficiary. So should the gay person be allowed to as well. That's what they want.

why do you KEEP saying they CANT do this???

NOBODY is stopping GAY PEOPLE making ANYONE their beneficiaries!

you dont even need a LAWYER to do that, all you need is a notary public and a download sheet from the internet!

 

[woodchuck]

why do you KEEP saying they CANT do this???

NOBODY is stopping GAY PEOPLE making ANYONE their beneficiaries!

you dont even need a LAWYER to do that, all you need is a notary public and a download sheet from the internet!

I never understood why they saw marriage as the ONLY way to do that. Being that it's not, you have to ask what's really going on here.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I never understood why they saw marriage as the ONLY way to do that. Being that it's not, you have to ask what's really going on here.

People can and will contest these types of things, especially if the surviving family "disapproved" of the relationship and there are significant assets or children involved. This happens to straight families too. Being married kills most of that from the start. It won't stop someone from suing, that's what people do, but it gives the other side incredible leverage and protection.

 

[woodchuck]

People can and will contest these types of things, especially if the surviving family "disapproved" of the relationship and there are significant assets or children involved. This happens to straight families too. Being married kills most of that from the start. It won't stop someone from suing, that's what people do, but it gives the other side incredible leverage and protection.

Never fully realized that. Thanks!

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Yes, it is. I couldn't imagine walking around with my wife holding hands or other reasonable displays of affection and getting shit from strangers. So, yeah, that would fuck with my quality of life. Yours too if you think about.
But like gays do, I'd get over it and deal with it. There is no law that will ever do anything about that. But they can get laws to make people stop discrimination against them.

a frown wont kill you, malnourish you, unemploy you, defraud you, disempower you, take away your money, take away your shelter, negate your education, subject you to dangerous living conditions, or in any other way harm your life.

a frown IS NOT DISCRIMINATION.

if a frown hurts your feelings, thats your fault for being such a pussy.

you're just being an asshole now.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

a gay couple can never have equality because there is on equality / balance in a GAY relationship........ 2 dick sucka's or 2 pussy lickers cant reproduce.... faggz & dykes dont contribute any thing positive to society nor do they contribute to the continuation of society..... no off spring.... marriage should be illegal... adopting children should be illegal....fagotry should be illegal...

Your self hate is killing you isn't it? I feel sorry for you sir. You should seek help before it's too late.

Forreal. No jokes.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Never fully realized that. Thanks!

It's something I became aware of a long time ago for completely unrelated reasons.

a frown wont kill you, malnourish you, unemploy you, defraud you, disempower you, take away your money, take away your shelter, negate your education, subject you to dangerous living conditions, or in any other way harm your life.

a frown IS NOT DISCRIMINATION.

if a frown hurts your feelings, thats your fault for being such a pussy.

you're just being an asshole now.

I didn't say anything of those things. I said if I had to put up with the judgements of strangers everytime I displayed affection to my wife in public, that would affect my quality of life after a while. And anyone who says different is a liar. No one wants to have to defend their relationship every time they go to the store or the mall or get gas or go to their kid's school. You don't see how that shit can be tiring? I'm shocked a Black person in America can't understand even that little bit.
As I said, there's no law that can affect that and I don't see or hear any gays that think it will. That's something that happens over time.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

It's something I became aware of a long time ago for completely unrelated reasons.




I didn't say anything of those things. I said if I had to put up with the judgements of strangers everytime I displayed affection to my wife in public, that would affect my quality of life after a while. And anyone who says different is a liar. No one wants to have to defend their relationship every time they go to the store or the mall or get gas or go to their kid's school. You don't see how that shit can be tiring? I'm shocked a Black person in America can't understand even that little bit.
As I said, there's no law that can affect that and I don't see or hear any gays that think it will. That's something that happens over time.

dude, are you even listening to yourself?

i asked if a frown lessens gay people's quality of life...and you said YES IT DOES.

that IS BULLSHIT, and YOU SAID IT.

and being BLACK does not qualify me for knowing how it is to be GAY. they are not comparable.

homosexuality is a BEHAVIOR that can EASILY be left behind closed doors. it is a BEHAVIOR that people are INSTINCTUALLY offended by.

my OFFENSE to homosexual behavior is JUST AS NATURAL, just as INSTINCTUAL, and just as VALID as any gay person's ACCEPTANCE of it.

i read After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90's by Kirk and Madsen, apparently you didn't. this shit we're discussing is all a ploy to gain acceptance and validation for a sexual DEVIANCE...it has NOTHING to do with actual civil rights. gay people have protection won for them by BLACK FOLKS under the Civil Rights act of '68.

the rest of this stuff is social engineering, political posturing and financial wrangling.

it is INVALID.

 

[ShortyCumStain]

being BLACK does not qualify me for knowing how it is to be GAY. they are not comparable.

It's just that simple.

 

[gene cisco]

It's something I became aware of a long time ago for completely unrelated reasons.




I didn't say anything of those things. I said if I had to put up with the judgements of strangers everytime I displayed affection to my wife in public, that would affect my quality of life after a while. And anyone who says different is a liar. No one wants to have to defend their relationship every time they go to the store or the mall or get gas or go to their kid's school. You don't see how that shit can be tiring? I'm shocked a Black person in America can't understand even that little bit.
As I said, there's no law that can affect that and I don't see or hear any gays that think it will. That's something that happens over time.

I agree. It's just gays should stop equating their struggle with ours.

I found it sickening so many black folks in Ohio came out in 2004 because the Republicans tricked them with gay marriage.

CAC could easily put interracial marriage on the ballot and have it banned in quite a few states.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

dude, are you even listening to yourself?

i asked if a frown lessens gay people's quality of life...and you said YES IT DOES.

that IS BULLSHIT, and YOU SAID IT.

and being BLACK does not qualify me for knowing how it is to be GAY. they are not comparable.

That's the hangup. You're stuck on that shit and refuse to hear anything reasonable because your mind twists it into something else even if it's in plain English.
I did say that and I confirmed that I said that and I'll say it again.
I did not and am not saying being Black qualifies you on how it is to be gay, I know you're smarter than this. I am saying and fuck any Black person that tries to deny, that a Black person in American knows what it's like to have people you don't even know give you shit (dirty looks, whatever) for no reason other than bullshit they have going on with them. Or have we just been making that shit up all these years?

homosexuality is a BEHAVIOR that can EASILY be left behind closed doors. it is a BEHAVIOR that people are INSTINCTUALLY offended by.

my OFFENSE to homosexual behavior is JUST AS NATURAL, just as INSTINCTUAL, and just as VALID as any gay person's ACCEPTANCE of it.

Fucking is something easily left behind closed doors but why should gay people have to hide all affections when they're in public? To not offend someone else? What the fuck kind of freedom is that? Who would want to live like that?
You can be offended but you don't have the right to cast that off on other people nor do you have the right to expect them to just take it.

i read After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90's by Kirk and Madsen, apparently you didn't. this shit we're discussing is all a ploy to gain acceptance and validation for a sexual DEVIANCE...it has NOTHING to do with actual civil rights. gay people have protection won for them by BLACK FOLKS under the Civil Rights act of '68.

Good for you. I didn't because I don't worry about what gays do. It doesn't affect me or my day to day. I'm still trying to figure out (and no one has told me in this thread) how it affects anyone else.
Gay people gained protections under the Civil Rights Act of 68? Not true, just flatly not true.

The 1968 act expanded on previous acts and prohibited discrimination concerning the sale, rental, and financing of housing based on race, religion, national origin, and as of 1974, gender; as of 1988, the act protects the disabled and families with children. It also provided protection for civil rights workers.

Sexual orientation is not protected under the Fair Housing Act. This is because federal law does not protect gays and lesbians or other sexual minorities (transgender or transsexual) with discrimination in housing. There are only thirteen states that have passed gay and lesbian protection laws in housing. The states that have passed fair housing in regards to gays and lesbians are: California, Connecticut, the District of Columbia, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Wisconsin.[citation needed] Areas that passed fair housing in regards to transgender people are: California, Connecticut, Minnesota, New Mexico, Rhode Island and New York City.[citation needed] There are also cities that have passed laws making discrimination based on sexual orientation illegal. These are: Atlanta, Austin,[11] Chicago, Cincinnati, Columbus, Covington (KY), Denver, Detroit, Houston, Miami, New York, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, and Seattle.[citation needed]

I don't really care how people feel but I wish people based their feelings off facts and truthful information.

the rest of this stuff is social engineering, political posturing and financial wrangling.

That can be said, and truthfully, about any type of social change that's gone on in this country.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I agree. It's just gays should stop equating their struggle with ours.

I found it sickening so many black folks in Ohio came out in 2004 because the Republicans tricked them with gay marriage.

CAC could easily put interracial marriage on the ballot and have it banned in quite a few states.

I agree with you. It's not the same and I heard Dan Savage say on Bill Maher "It's not THE Civil Rights Movement, all caps but it's a civil rights movement" and thought that was fair. While it's clearly not the same, there are parallels.

I hate to see Black people tricked into that shit too. Just like Republicans use working class Whites and their fears against us (and Latinos more and more), they turn use church going, conservative leaning Black people to vote against gay initiatives, often voting for Republicans who will hurt them in the end.

 

[Mo Pizorn]

The gay "agenda" is POLITICAL and FINANCIAL. Gays want to be declared a special interest group. (minority status)
Most of the complaints have been answered in this thread alone.
If you REALLY wanted to be together, a civil union empowering you with all of the same rights as a M/F married couple would be exactly what you want.
They want to redefine marriage (if marriage wasn't defined as being between M/F, then why weren't gays getting married in the 1600s 1700s 1800s & 1900s in the U.S.?) (see: Law of the Land)
Because it was illegal by definition, that's why. A same-sex union law would solve that and the adoption issues as well.
Insurance is not an issue - anyone can be the benefactor of anyone with proper notarized documentation.Some companies insure workers and collect when they die on the job (there have been several news specials on that), so insurance limitations isn't an issue.
They want to be able to get money. If declared a special interest group, then the doors open wide for financial resources including government grants, etc. That is one of the true main reasons why this push is so hard.
Who you fuck or who you "love" or whatever shouldn't qualify you for anything more than just that along with whatever entitlements you get through your partnership.
I support their right to live how they want and with whom they want but that's where the buck stops.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

The gay "agenda" is POLITICAL and FINANCIAL. Gays want to be declared a special interest group. (minority status)
Most of the complaints have been answered in this thread alone.
If you REALLY wanted to be together, a civil union empowering you with all of the same rights as a M/F married couple would be exactly what you want.
They want to redefine marriage (if marriage wasn't defined as being between M/F, then why weren't gays getting married in the 1600s 1700s 1800s & 1900s in the U.S.?) (see: Law of the Land)
Because it was illegal by definition, that's why. A same-sex union law would solve that and the adoption issues as well.
Insurance is not an issue - anyone can be the benefactor of anyone with proper notarized documentation.Some companies insure workers and collect when they die on the job (there have been several news specials on that), so insurance limitations isn't an issue.
They want to be able to get money. If declared a special interest group, then the doors open wide for financial resources including government grants, etc. That is one of the true main reasons why this push is so hard.
Who you fuck or who you "love" or whatever shouldn't qualify you for anything more than just that along with whatever entitlements you get through your partnership.
I support their right to live how they want and with whom they want but that's where the buck stops.

Then I ask again: why make up some new shit when you can just legally call it a "marriage"? Making up something new for gays is the definition of "special rights".

As for your question about why they weren't getting married in those time periods, it would be hard to get married when it was, during some periods, practically illegal to be an open homosexual.
Marriage, in the dictionary, can be defined anyway a particular society defines it but legally it is not, in most jurisdictions, defined as one man and one woman. There are age requirments but no sexual requirements.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

That's the hangup. You're stuck on that shit and refuse to hear anything reasonable because your mind twists it into something else even if it's in plain English.
I did say that and I confirmed that I said that and I'll say it again.
I did not and am not saying being Black qualifies you on how it is to be gay, I know you're smarter than this. I am saying and fuck any Black person that tries to deny, that a Black person in American knows what it's like to have people you don't even know give you shit (dirty looks, whatever) for no reason other than bullshit they have going on with them. Or have we just been making that shit up all these years?

i'm not twisting shit, i'm saying DO NOT compare the two PERIOD. Black people get dirty looks because of lingering racial ignorance in OTHERS. gays get dirty looks because of WHAT THEY DO. i have been minding my own business and evoked poor reactions from assholes. but gay people DRAW attention to themselves...then get angry from the reactions??? you CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. even gay people ADMIT THIS. its not about WHO THEY ARE, its about WHAT THEY DO.

Fucking is something easily left behind closed doors but why should gay people have to hide all affections when they're in public? To not offend someone else? What the fuck kind of freedom is that? Who would want to live like that?
You can be offended but you don't have the right to cast that off on other people nor do you have the right to expect them to just take it.

stop being a dick. gay people DO have the freedom to hold hands in public. who in the fuck has gotten arrested for hand holding in public??? are you even LIVING in the same reality that the rest of us are? private property is another thing altogether...but in parks and shit? aint no gay specific laws against PDAs in effect.

Good for you. I didn't because I don't worry about what gays do. It doesn't affect me or my day to day. I'm still trying to figure out (and no one has told me in this thread) how it affects anyone else.
Gay people gained protections under the Civil Rights Act of 68? Not true, just flatly not true.

ninja you didnt care or you wouldn't be talking about this shit right now. if you had read the book you'd know that everything you're saying was TAUGHT to you, you are part of a MARKETING PLOY, that ISNT MEANT to garner EQUALITY, but social ACCEPTANCE, political power, and FINANCIAL abilities. you sir, are an unwitting PAWN in a greater scheme. you SHOULD educate yourself.

as for the civil rights act, dude, those laws were enacted to protect EVERYONE, gays included. its an UMBRELLA law. the fact that GAY is not put in it specifically doesnt negate that it extends to them as well. but 13 states and many cities have EXTENDED protections to include sexual orientation.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

why do you KEEP saying they CANT do this???

NOBODY is stopping GAY PEOPLE making ANYONE their beneficiaries!

you dont even need a LAWYER to do that, all you need is a notary public and a download sheet from the internet!

Are you speaking semantically? Listen, my wife and i are legally bound to each other. My husband, wifey and i we all did our legally binding agreements. She gets this and this and this, and so on and so forth. I KNOW how this stuff goes. I really really do.

I know from personal experience.

For the record, i'm AGAINST american marriage. BUT i'm just saying....Gay people who are together do not get to enjoy the same benefits as heterosexuals when it comes to marriage.

It's like if your company wouldn't cover you insurance wise because you're black. And someone said to you what are you complaining about? Just go buy your own insurance?

Yes you CAN do this. We do it.

That's NOT what i'm talking about though Mr. Buk. I'm talking about how GAY people....want to have the same treatment under the law that you and your wife get from marriage benefits. Tax breaks. Social security, Family leave from a job benefits, after death rights and benefits, leasing benefits, lol and claiming marital communications priviledge if ever called to testify.

There's LOTS that happens under the marriage title that you can't just get with a lawyer.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

i'm not twisting shit, i'm saying DO NOT compare the two PERIOD. Black people get dirty looks because of lingering racial ignorance in OTHERS. gays get dirty looks because of WHAT THEY DO. i have been minding my own business and evoked poor reactions from assholes. but gay people DRAW attention to themselves...then get angry from the reactions??? you CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. even gay people ADMIT THIS. its not about WHO THEY ARE, its about WHAT THEY DO.

And what you're saying is "Hide your affection for your loved one because it might offend someone else." Fuck that.
And I'm making that comparison because it's valid. Whatever you feel on gays, you should at least have an understanding of that feeling even if you don't sympathize.

stop being a dick. gay people DO have the freedom to hold hands in public. who in the fuck has gotten arrested for hand holding in public??? are you even LIVING in the same reality that the rest of us are? private property is another thing altogether...but in parks and shit? aint no gay specific laws against PDAs in effect.

Am I confusing you so much that you keep making up arguements for you to combat but you don't contradict what I'm actually saying? Quote me where I even mentioned being arrested. You're so out there I have to re-read what I posted to make sure I wasn't confused.

ninja you didnt care or you wouldn't be talking about this shit right now. if you had read the book you'd know that everything you're saying was TAUGHT to you, you are part of a MARKETING PLOY, that ISNT MEANT to garner EQUALITY, but social ACCEPTANCE, political power, and FINANCIAL abilities. you sir, are an unwitting PAWN in a greater scheme. you SHOULD educate yourself.

So you read a book and now you know all about the gays? Okay. Just like no other group is monolithic, something tells me gays aren't either.
If the marketing ploy was "Stop discriminating against the gays", I'm in that completely. Doesn't cost me a cent.

as for the civil rights act, dude, those laws were enacted to protect EVERYONE, gays included. its an UMBRELLA law. the fact that GAY is not put in it specifically doesnt negate that it extends to them as well. but 13 states and many cities have EXTENDED protections to include sexual orientation.

Now you're arguing against yourself. The CRA of 68 does no such thing. The fact that 13 states and cities have to have protections for sexual orientation means it's not a federal law. They made specific provisions later for other groups because it is NOT an "umbrella law". In fact, I listed the states and cities that have those laws/ordinances in effect.
To make that claim and stick by it after I've disproved it is just flat out lying. First, I thought you were misinformed but after being informed to stick to the story makes it a lie.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

a frown wont kill you, malnourish you, unemploy you, defraud you, disempower you, take away your money, take away your shelter, negate your education, subject you to dangerous living conditions, or in any other way harm your life.

a frown IS NOT DISCRIMINATION.

if a frown hurts your feelings, thats your fault for being such a pussy.

you're just being an asshole now.

In general though, honestly. If you were to kiss your wife in the mall food court. Do you really think someone would come up to you and say something?

I have. Did this ever happen with my husband? Absolutely not. Overall that's the point that i THINK Dave was making. It's the 1 i'm making.

I'm a very screw you type person. I generally do what i want to do in the face of any adversity and will bend over and tell anyone who doesn't like it to kiss my butt. But not everyone is like me, not everyone wants to fight that kind of thing. Not everyone is going to be like me and just not care what others think.

Dude i've been attacked for holding hands with my girlfriend before. Verbally and physically.

I understand overall you're going to have your own view of things regardless, but at least for the sake of someone you may love or deeply care for 1 day you may try to reach some kind of understanding. Why don't they deserve to be just as happy as you?

 

[Upgrade Dave]

In general though, honestly. If you were to kiss your wife in the mall food court. Do you really think someone would come up to you and say something?

I have. Did this ever happen with my husband? Absolutely not. Overall that's the point that i THINK Dave was making. It's the 1 i'm making.

I'm a very screw you type person. I generally do what i want to do in the face of any adversity and will bend over and tell anyone who doesn't like it to kiss my butt. But not everyone is like me, not everyone wants to fight that kind of thing. Not everyone is going to be like me and just not care what others think.

Dude i've been attacked for holding hands with my girlfriend before. Verbally and physically.

I understand overall you're going to have your own view of things regardless, but at least for the sake of someone you may love or deeply care for 1 day you may try to reach some kind of understanding. Why don't they deserve to be just as happy as you?

Or deserve to express that happiness just as those of us in straight relationships do?

That was exactly my point.

 

[exiledking]

I am all for gay marriage... more power to anyone who wants to get married ....they have a right to get married ... though I disagree with them adopting children because I think that the adopted child should have the opportunity to grow up in a traditional home ... and this is where it is going next...adoption...but I digress

so is same sex Marriage the chief complaint for the gay community??

most naive post EVER.

Imagine a child in an orphanage, and some adults come to pick him up. They are married. They make enough money to house him, clothe him, send him to a decent school, and give him a decent life.

He lives in an ORPHANAGE.

But the people who have come to give him individual care, or at least care in a smaller group than an ORPHANAGE, having been screened by the state, even though they can provide all these things, are gay.


So the state chunks him back in to the ORPHANAGE.


theres your OPPORTUNITY.

Now imagine a random straight couple out in the community. Because of biology, they can fuck and have a child, without being screened to know if they are actually ready for it, much less MARRIED.


Guess where that kid in the orphanage CAME FROM?

 

[exiledking]

I never understood why they saw marriage as the ONLY way to do that. Being that it's not, you have to ask what's really going on here.

because obviously if you have that question, you might wanna look up whats available in a civil union and in marriage- it's not the same- that's why.

Your question is not the answer bruh.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

And what you're saying is "Hide your affection for your loved one because it might offend someone else." Fuck that.
And I'm making that comparison because it's valid. Whatever you feel on gays, you should at least have an understanding of that feeling even if you don't sympathize.

im not telling anyone to hide anything, again, stop being a dick.

i said stop being so fucking sensitive, crying about people frowning on you. based on experience, thats what I DO. my feelings aint hurt because someone ELSE who has NO POWER over me is an asshole!

fuck is wrong with you? you're all over the map with this shit! you keep saying as a Black man i should understand, no i SHOULDNT! i dont get funny looks for behavior that is by the very definition of its nature DEVIANT. you CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.

Am I confusing you so much that you keep making up arguements for you to combat but you don't contradict what I'm actually saying? Quote me where I even mentioned being arrested. You're so out there I have to re-read what I posted to make sure I wasn't confused.

naw, you're just confused. you're so passionate about this issue that you claim to not care about that you're saying all kinds of shit without realizing it. you KEEP saying gay folks dont have the right to hold hands in public, and hat sir, is just crazy talk.

So you read a book and now you know all about the gays? Okay. Just like no other group is monolithic, something tells me gays aren't either.
If the marketing ploy was "Stop discriminating against the gays", I'm in that completely. Doesn't cost me a cent.

stay a pawn in a game you dont even know you're playing if you want to.

Now you're arguing against yourself. The CRA of 68 does no such thing. The fact that 13 states and cities have to have protections for sexual orientation means it's not a federal law. They made specific provisions later for other groups because it is NOT an "umbrella law". In fact, I listed the states and cities that have those laws/ordinances in effect.
To make that claim and stick by it after I've disproved it is just flat out lying. First, I thought you were misinformed but after being informed to stick to the story makes it a lie.

you know what, you're right. it wasnt the civil rights act of 68...it was the fourteenth amendment to the constitution that extended equal protection under the law to HOMOSEXUALS.

my bad, i got those two mixed up cause there was a case where both were introduced that i HAD TO READ ABOUT.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Lawrence+v+Texas

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Romer+v.+Evans

 

[Deacs]

I never understood why they saw marriage as the ONLY way to do that. Being that it's not, you have to ask what's really going on here.

Pardon my ignorance, but I thought it was an work health beneficiary issue or other insurance concern as a couple?

 

[Upgrade Dave]

naw, you're just confused. you're so passionate about this issue that you claim to not care about that you're saying all kinds of shit without realizing it. you KEEP saying gay folks dont have the right to hold hands in public, and hat sir, is just crazy talk.

I never said that one time. Not once.

stay a pawn in a game you dont even know you're playing if you want to.

It's not a game I can win or lose, so I'm not in it.

you know what, you're right. it wasnt the civil rights act of 68...it was the fourteenth amendment to the constitution that extended equal protection under the law to HOMOSEXUALS.

my bad, i got those two mixed up cause there was a case where both were introduced that i HAD TO READ ABOUT.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Lawrence+v+Texas

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Romer+v.+Evans

Interesting. So the rights they have are the rights they fought for.
So then they should be able to get married.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Pardon my ignorance, but I thought it was an work health beneficiary issue or other insurance concern as a couple?

Some companies do offer same sex policies but many do not and I don't think they should. A straight, unmarried couple wouldn't be, and shouldn't be, entitled to that benefit and I don't think a gay couple should be either, which is why I've been in favor of gay marriage.

 

[NewyorkRealTalk]

This is only PART of what the black struggle was about:




Yall need to learn your history... I read the books, been to the Slave Museums, seen the underground railroad... this is REAL ain't no joke... slaves would have been LUCKY to be treated like gays and dogs get treated today

Just when I thought I couldnt trust them even less.

 

[geechiedan]

no one has answered the question if people are willing to accept civil unions and let civil unions have all the power and advantage that hetero marriage has then why can't it jut be called marriage as well?

 

[mailboxpimp]

no one has answered the question if people are willing to accept civil unions and let civil unions have all the power and advantage that hetero marriage has then why can't it jut be called marriage as well?

marriage of any kind..... civil unions included should be reserved for heterosexual people only..... give fags & dykes all the lube & rubber dicks they can handle & shoot them out into space w / no protection food or water........ & let them live as space fags / queers / dykes & bi bitches... & take all the fag loving men that marry gay bitches & turn around & call them bi... fags / dkyes dont deserve any sort of protection under the law in any way shape form or fashion..... they not good for shit.... they dont reproduce... to the oven with them!

if i had a company or small business i wouldnt offer gay people shit...... any shit they want they can get off of their lovers dick.....& gay bitches ...... fuuugeeeddabout it! a waste of a black womman.... bitches might as well be white crack whores....

 

[osirianprncpl]

marriage of any kind..... civil unions included should be reserved for heterosexual people only..... give fags & dykes all the lube & rubber dicks they can handle & shoot them out into space w / no protection food or water........ & let them live as space fags / queers / dykes & bi bitches... & take all the fag loving men that marry gay bitches & turn around & call them bi... fags / dkyes dont deserve any sort of protection under the law in any way shape form or fashion..... they not good for shit.... they dont reproduce... to the oven with them!

if i had a company or small business i wouldnt offer gay people shit...... any shit they want they can get off of their lovers dick.....& gay bitches ...... fuuugeeeddabout it! a waste of a black womman.... bitches might as well be white crack whores....

Whatta waste!

 

[mailboxpimp]

In general though, honestly. If you were to kiss your wife in the mall food court. Do you really think someone would come up to you and say something?

I have. Did this ever happen with my husband? Absolutely not. Overall that's the point that i THINK Dave was making. It's the 1 i'm making.

I'm a very screw you type person. I generally do what i want to do in the face of any adversity and will bend over and tell anyone who doesn't like it to kiss my butt. But not everyone is like me, not everyone wants to fight that kind of thing. Not everyone is going to be like me and just not care what others think.

Dude i've been attacked for holding hands with my girlfriend before. Verbally and physically.

I understand overall you're going to have your own view of things regardless, but at least for the sake of someone you may love or deeply care for 1 day you may try to reach some kind of understanding. Why don't they deserve to be just as happy as you?

Dude i've been attacked for holding hands with my girlfriend before. Verbally and physically.

and you should have been...... the straight world shouldnt be subjected to your faggotry.... i've been a person that has done shit like that..... thrown bottles, rocks..... whatever..... i grew up.... but i overstand how & why people feel the need to do shit like that.... i dont feel sorry for gay people that have to suffer that type of treatment... you should expect it & it should be nothing said about it.... it should be normal...everyday type shit... how the fuck are gay women allowed on a site that doenst allow any type of homo shit is beyond me...so.... fuckouttahere with that gay shit!
all you fags & dykes get what you deserve.... be gay @ home... not in public..... man i wish the US was like Jamaica... just burn faggots alive like it aint nothing on the reg...