you dont need marriage for any of that, you need a LAWYER.
Help Me Out: Where Are the Persecuted Gay People??
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you dont need marriage for any of that, you need a LAWYER.
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Im not disagreeing with you but Gays are one of the most powerful lobbyist in this country....They cry over some of the most silliest shit like the whole Tracy Morgan situation...Their been comedians who did the same exact thing but you didnt hear nothing from them....
These are the same people that was calling black people the "N" word when that Prop 8 didnt passed....That too me is very hypocritical of them.
I'm with you on most of what you're saying. I don't always think they make the most sense, and think they screwed themselves over more than once. Putting their civil rights up for a vote was the biggest one.
But considering how we as a people don't haven't shown any more understanding than white folk... less, in fact... I don't see how WE can call THEM hypocrites. Calling us the N-word is no more hypocritical than us voting against their civil rights, in my personal opinion. I understand others won't see it that way.
On top of that, you're pissed because a few maybe used the N-Word... After defending their position yesterday, some clown BGOL'er created a fifteen day account just to PM me with "faggot." Hypocrisy... that goes both ways.
Yep, that's where we are. We attack each other for not being properly bigoted. Whenever I hear that, I think of that old term "N-Lover" that used to get thrown around at racial liberals.
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I'm not sure you can establish next of kin that way.
But even so, a Civil Union, by definition, would set that all up comprehensively at a fraction of the cost.
Really, the government should not be endorsing anything beyond that for anyone, IMO.
Last time I checked, all they wanted was the right to marry each other, and the shit blew up into this big ass "gay agenda" and somehow it became perceived as gay people wanting to take over rhe country. I couldn't care less about what two or more grown ass folks want to do in the comfort of their own home. And if I start getting uncomfortable about some flaming fruitcake bouncing around on my tv, I can just change the channel.
I'm with you, man... and is that Lela Star in your sig?
you can name anyone the sole beneficiary of your estate, sign power of attorney over to them etc, and you can do it for almost nothing nowadays.
it isnt about those things in and if themselves, its about the validation that comes with the word MARRIAGE.
as for me, i dont have a dog in this fight one way or the other, as i wont be marrying a man nor do i care when gay men marry each other.
i'm saying their goal is unrealistic and their presentation is dishonest.
You may be right on the first. Biases never disappear, at best they can be managed.
All political tracks are biased, so they will all portray information a certain way. I'm not seeing anything as a lie though.
And like I said, I think civil unions would satisfy what I see as fair... but yeah, as long as the federal government recognizes the rest us our relationships as "Marriage" then that's a problem. A semantic one, but it's there.
I am all for gay marriage... more power to anyone who wants to get married ....they have a right to get married ... though I disagree with them adopting children because I think that the adopted child should have the opportunity to grow up in a traditional home ... and this is where it is going next...adoption...but I digress
so is same sex Marriage the chief complaint for the gay community??
so is same sex Marriage the chief complaint for the gay community??
they are not being oppressed.
oppression is getting attacked by dogs and sprayed with water hoses because you cant get good government services while paying your fair share of taxes, so you want to TALK about it.
oppression is not getting called for an interview for a job you are extremely well qualified for cause your name sounds "too Black".
oppression is being dismissed with ibs by an impatient doctor when you have colon cancer.
etc, etc.
they are not seeing the tip of the ICEBERG of oppression.
No. That is the avenue they are taking to usurp protestant and catholic religious doctrine. Since Man created the concept of God, they want man to accept the behavior so that in their minds God will too. That is why I say let not man judge by denying them the oportunity to marry and let God be the ultimate judge at their death. Same as everyone else.
And as for your point on gay adoption, they are already doing that and in my opinion there is an 80% chance that the child will become homosexual also since most if not all children are influenced by their caregiver. Just look at the explosion of moist men in our community since the influx of fatherless homes. Plus how could someone who claims that they were 'born' gay teach about heterosexual behavior. I have always said that if they chose a lifestyle where you cannot produce children then why do you want them? Maybe adopt children old enough not to be influenced by their lifestyle but able to make their own choice.
1. Ok so they are NOT as much with getting the right to same sex marriage as they are trying to how should i say "shake the bible belt up"?
2. a. Totally agree... I believe we are a product of our environment more than anything else... and to be clear.... I don't think that the child being gay as an adult is a bad thing... I just would prefer they get the chance to make that choice for themselves rather than be raised gay... I feel the same about religion... I think it is unfair to force your child into YOUR religion
b. Great point... if you are part of a lifestyle that cannot make children then you should not have the RIGHT (not saying not have the ability or the option...but just not have the right) to adopt children...
Thats my opinion, I could be wrong. The key is their saying that civil unions is not enough, there they could have all the 'legal' ramifications for marriage, just not the 'ceremony' that comes with it. 'Pair bonding' can be done without the ceremony, all that has to be done is to give each other a verbal commitment and exchange 'loops of bonding and completion' and the 'ceremony' is complete, then your 'tied' to your s/o. So why do they want the entire nation to conform to their lifestyle? Has to be about religious doctrine.
Didn't read the thread so I hope I'm not repeating
But you're missing a lot. Matthew Shepard was the "Gay" version of Emmitt Till (I find making these types of comparisons distasteful but for the sake of argument).
The thing about gays getting married is about equal treatment under the law. I don't see them wanting to get married in anyone's church that doesn't want them just the legal status of a marriage. While a civil union is said to be the same thing, if it's the same thing why not call it a "marriage"?
But you're missing a lot. Matthew Shepard was the "Gay" version of Emmitt Till (I find making these types of comparisons distasteful but for the sake of argument).
The thing about gays getting married is about equal treatment under the law. I don't see them wanting to get married in anyone's church that doesn't want them just the legal status of a marriage. While a civil union is said to be the same thing, if it's the same thing why not call it a "marriage"?
Not disagreeing with anything you said but this one thing.
They didn't put their rights up for vote. Prop 8 was passed and they tried to use a referendum to undo it and failed.
I dunno I'm asking you lol
Matthew Shepard = Emmitt Till
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan If you don't go on with that
Anyways you saying it is about marriage too... iight cool... just don't make any more crazy statements "for the sake of arguing" ... I almost went in on you for that nonsense...Matthew Shepard is the same as Emmitt Till
You got these people playin in your head for REAL... go do your research... see the "picnic" in the deep south... when they beat, hung "black" men up, burned them and cut off their genitals then posed in front of the body for a family picture.... LIVING DAY TO DAY IN THAT REALITY WAS LIFE OF A BLACK PERSON .... THAT WAS PERSECUTION....imo
Shoot ....Matthew Shepard wasn't even killed for being gay ....they wasn't even trying to kill him ...they tried to rob him cause he looked too feminine to fight back... the perpetrators were not convicted of a hate crime.... are you saying that fact was a CONSPIRACY??
I dunno I'm asking you lol
Matthew Shepard = Emmitt Till
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan If you don't go on with that
Anyways you saying it is about marriage too... iight cool... just don't make any more crazy statements "for the sake of arguing" ... I almost went in on you for that nonsense...Matthew Shepard is the same as Emmitt Till
You got these people playin in your head for REAL... go do your research... see the "picnic" in the deep south... when they beat, hung "black" men up, burned them and cut off their genitals then posed in front of the body for a family picture.... LIVING DAY TO DAY IN THAT REALITY WAS LIFE OF A BLACK PERSON .... THAT WAS PERSECUTION....imo
Shoot ....Matthew Shepard wasn't even killed for being gay ....they wasn't even trying to kill him ...they tried to rob him cause he looked too feminine to fight back... the perpetrators were not convicted of a hate crime.... are you saying that fact was a CONSPIRACY??
Henderson and McKinney were not charged with a hate crime, because no Wyoming criminal statute provided for such a charge. The nature of Shepard's murder led to requests for new legislation addressing hate crime, urged particularly by those who believed that Shepard was targeted on the basis of his sexual orientation.[20][21] Under then United States federal law[22] and Wyoming state law,[23] crimes committed on the basis of sexual orientation were not prosecutable as hate crimes.
and of course theyre goin to say they weren't trying to kill him theyre on trial for their lives.
how about this..if they weren't targeting anyone for anything theyd be free now..
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really? you don't think gays encounter discrimination in the work place or housing?
if they do, they can sue under the EEOC. that fight has already been won for them with the Civil Rights Act of 1968.
now, have you recently heard them making job and housing discrimination part of their movement lately???
In others words no proof.... now that is out of the way how about you address the other points I raised...
Damn you capin HARD
Why don't I see you in the "Black Empowerment" Threads googling and droppin wiki quotes tho geechie?
okay..i'll concede that point but every group and individual has the right to fight against how their being treated.
whats the problem with gays getting married as opposed to civil unions?
Because the word 'marriage' is used to denote a 'religious' ceremony. By them wanting a peice of legislation entitled'same sex marriage' they usurp current religious doctrine thus 'forcing' all churches to have to marry same sex couples or face 'prosecution' and lawsuits. Which violates constitutional seperation of church and state.
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You guys are blinded by your personal beliefs!!
It's got nothing to do with right or wrong morality or otherwise.
It's about power, influence and leverage.
If you have the above then you have a better chance of enforcing your wants and desires.
Jews have ample of the above and therefore are able to enforce their wishes, gays have a substantial amount and are able to enforece theirs..
Blacks on the other hand have rather less so spend their time moaning about other groups exercising their powers and influence.....
How are you gonna sit there and moan about a dude benching 120kg just because you can only bench 90kg...?
Get your fucking weight up and bench what you wanna bench!!!
It's got nothing to do with right or wrong morality or otherwise.
It's about power, influence and leverage.
If you have the above then you have a better chance of enforcing your wants and desires.
Jews have ample of the above and therefore are able to enforce their wishes, gays have a substantial amount and are able to enforece theirs..
Blacks on the other hand have rather less so spend their time moaning about other groups exercising their powers and influence.....
How are you gonna sit there and moan about a dude benching 120kg just because you can only bench 90kg...?
Get your fucking weight up and bench what you wanna bench!!!
It can denote whatever you or I feel. In the eyes of the government, it can't legally have any religious connection. No one can force churches to do anything except the members of that church so two homosexuals being legally married doesn't affect any church.
as i already stated, i have no dog in this fight, but i DO understand that the fight isnt about RIGHTS, its about VALIDATION.
Then keep your capitalist social ideology to yourself if your whole thought process is centered around money,position, and power for it takes 'intellect' to solve questions posed by social 'issues', not ' ideological darwinism'.
Then can a church at present not allow a member based upon race, creed, or culture legally? Like they 'use' to do in the past?
Uh oh......get 'em.
Its not hard. It doesn't really exist. As has been said, the goal is validation and domination, with the ability to label you a homophobe if you don't go along with everything exactly as they want it.SO where are the GAY victims of police brutality??? The state isn't oppressing them..... So then who is OPPRESSING gay people???
Is there discrimination against gay people? Yes, of course this is america ... but there is discrimination against nudists, smokers, and muslims as well ... just to name a few ... so why is war hungry WHITE America so in love with Gay people .....and Dogs?
This is real hard for an idiot like me to understand fam please help
And as you pointed out about dogs - you can best damn bet that beastiality will be down the road somewhere.
If you paid money to see Tracy Morgan and DIDN'T expect crazy talk, you'd have to be completely ignorant of what you paid for, which puts the responsibility on YOU.
That's like paying to see Bill Maher, Lewis Black and Geroge Carlin (RIP) and expecting to not hear political jokes. You'd have to be a damned idiot.
What's to stop them? If they choose to not allow a person a membership, they wouldn't tell you why, they'd just deny you like a job.
And that's not the same thing. A church doesn't have to perform a marriage ceremony for anybody they don't want to, straight or gay.
Only if that's something you're into. Equating fucking an animal with fucking another willing adult is some sick shit.
True. Why does a gay person have to get a lawyer and spend 4000 for what you get for however much your local marriage license cost. 30 bucks?
AND you can't really get next of kin so much as you can will.
AND the family can still fight the previous legal settling.
For instance, a friend of mine and her partner were together for 13 years. They had a son, the son was raised with them for 13 years. The kids father was in prison and then when he got out of prison he tipped off to India. Well....my friend passed away and thus you have the legal battle of custody from the estranged family of my deceased friend.
That doesn't happen with marriage.
The same reason we don't call heterosexuality homosexuality - because one is two different sexes and the other is two of the same sex. They ARE different. It does not change their status as equal. Its a way to identify their sexuality. They ARE different, nonetheless.
okay so lets flip it..we live in a world were you can't marry your woman or at least you can't call it marriage. And people look at you in disgust if you walk down the street holding her hand or decide to kiss her in public.
Do you think you should hide your affection for your woman just because it makes others uncomfortable? Do you think the status and title of your union should be different from the mainstream because others don't like it or are uncomfortable with it?
People like to call out the sexual aspect of gay life but they ignore the fact that heterosexuality is very open and public. A man and woman can express their affection for each other with no issue attached to it. I'm just looking at the issue from the other side and seeing how it could be restrictive if I had to deal with what they deal with.
You don't have a dog in this fight but lets say you have a son or daughter who are gay. And lets hope you love them. Would you want them to go through the persecution and suffering and possible legal nightmare that follows?
When it comes to marriage, i'm not for or against it honestly. I think it's a silly thing to fight for in this country. I don't believe in the caucasian christian beliefs of what marriage is. And neither do i believe that black people should either.
But i know they do.
But at the same time, if you're going to uphold a system and say the system is fair well............that's not fair. How do you regulate adult love? IN the military which is supposed to be in service of the people, if you were gay your benefits would not go to your lover.
Heck in some states in America you can't bequeath some things legally to your lover. In some hospitals here in Dallas when they say immediate family only in the ER? Your lover wouldn't be allowed entrance in their final moments.
Legacy_Infinity, geechian, etc ... WHOEVER ... even if you are straight and understand it people school me:
Where are all these "Gay Victims"?
Cause right now I am starting to think I am missing something... let's all agree:
comparing gay civil rights to the "black" civil rights movement is just PLAIN IGNORANT ....ain't no gay people hanging from trees ..no "gay" version of emmit till ...no "gay" slavery no "gay" jim crow no "gay" ghettos ...no "gay" NOTHING like that
It is 2011 almost 50 YEARS AFTER the civil rights movement ...and a cop will get off scott free if they shoot my "African American" Ass ....for NO REASON... see oscar grant and sean bell ... too many to name ...
SO where are the GAY victims of police brutality??? The state isn't oppressing them..... So then who is OPPRESSING gay people???
Is there discrimination against gay people? Yes, of course this is america ... but there is discrimination against nudists, smokers, and muslims as well ... just to name a few ... so why is war hungry America so in love with Gay people .....and Dogs?
This is real hard for an idiot like me to understand fam please help
THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION ARE THE DYKE BITCHES ON SOL & THE NIGGAHZ THAT ARE MARRIED TO DYKE / BI BITCHES... HERE.....
Heterosexuality and homosexuality are not the same. I don't know why there is this push to make them the same. They are not. Why should they be called the same when they are not? That is a lie. You want everyone to "pretend" or redefine the truth? Not happening.
I have said this before: I don't give a shit what anyone else does if it doesn't involve me.
Expand the rights of a civil union to be the same as that of a marriage and call it a fucking victory.
No.
Gays will not do that. They wan to insist that people view heterosexuality and homosexuality as the same while simultaneously lobbying for special rights. Again, not happening. If they proposed the "civil union act" and put it on the ballot, I would support it regardless of my personal feelings on the subject. That's not good enough. They want to dominate. That's why Prop 8 failed.As has been said, tolerance and acceptance are two different things. You can force tolerance but not acceptance and that's how t is and always will be. I know there are a lot of white folks that hate me when they see me and I don't give a fuck. I wouldn't file a lawsuit against gays for not letting a heterosexual in a gay rights group. Its stupid. Its like when they forced the boy scouts to let that girl in back in the day. Tolerance does not equal acceptance. I support tolerance for all people but if you want acceptance, you are on your own.
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