HBIC?? (Head Blackman)

[RunawaySlave]

I don't use that n-word


As I'm listening (no cable) to the Knicks get pounded out by the Celtics, a question crossed my mind:

Why is it that whenever the boss is a black person, the black players' collective effort doesn't seem to be there??

Anybody remember the Oakland Raiders last season?? Remember Randy Moss?? Remember how he couldn't care less whether the Raiders lived or died?? Anybody see how this "brotha" looks like he's ready to run through mutha fukking walls now?? Now that the "boss" is white?? Remember Aaron Brooks?? Lamont Jordan?? Jordan came out this year playing like gangbusters before he got hurt.

Anyway, I'm listening to the Knicks game and I'm wondering: If you put KG, Pierce and Allen on the Knicks right now and placed Q. Richardson, Randolph, Crawford and Curry (well not Curry, we know he won't hustle) and the other Knicks vets (ncluding the ones from the last season) on a team with a WHITE boss....would they play a little harder?? Doc Rivers is the coach, but Ainge is the boss

Oh and before any idiots come out and say "you ain't watching!!", this ain't nothing that just came to me. This is something that I've been pondering for YEARS and I can site example after of example of what I'm talking about. I just use Moss as one example

Maybe it's just me. But it looks like the "brothas" just don't give a damn when the Head man in charge looks like them. But you put an overseer in charge......brothas start walking on water (like Moss)

 

[cranrab]

i don't remember exactly by who, but wasn't an online article published about that very same topic last year?

 

[xfactor]

If you mean the GM or team president as being head man, there are only 7 black GMs in the NBA total. But out of those 7 teams, only 2 have winning records.

The Tricks layed down tonight. They showed no effort whatsoever, which was bad because it was on national TV.

I dont know what broadcast you listened to, but watching the game, the team was going through the motions as early as the first quarter

Nobody was diving for lose balls. Nobody was running the O. Z-Bo was playing lackadaisical. (Which was never a problem under Coach Nate)

It's like they just dont respect Coach Thomas anymore and that the main reason why I think it's time for a change.

I agree about "Starbury". Based on how poor he's played, you'd never think he almost put up 20 and 10 for his career. It's like he's been messed up in the head ever since he released his $15 sneaker.

As far as the Randy Moss situation. I'd put his "rejuvation" as being apart of a winning team and playing for a great QB. If Lane Kiffin was coaching last year, I'm sure he'd have the same attitude around this part of the season.

 

[RunawaySlave]

I'm not just talking about basketball. Talking the 3 majors where a black man is clearly in charge (GM & coach) and I listened to the broadcast I listen to all the time. The Knicks play on 1050AM ESPN radio in NYC (it's MSG radio network)

That lack of effort is exactly what I am referring to. Picture these same exact players trying that under ANY white GM & coach combination

They'd either be benched, cut or killed in a motorcycle accident (kidding). But serioulsy, they'd be discredited so badly in the press, they'd leave town out of shame....

(Unless their name is Stephon that is)


Think about the way Edgarrin James layed down like a bitch last year under Denny Green. Or how the Cubbies could't give a fuck about whether they won or lost last season when Dusty Baker was manager. Despite the fact that the best success they've had in decades was the year when Dusty was manager and they fell one game short of the series.

 

[RunawaySlave]

i don't remember exactly by who, but wasn't an online article published about that very same topic last year?

never saw anything

 

[cranrab]

never saw anything

i'll try a light search for it tomorrow. i can't remember right now who posted it, but i'm leaning towards RF or michelangelo.

 

[RunawaySlave]

Wouldn't be surprised if something was done on the subject. I've been sort of talking (or writing) aorund the subject for years.

Just like to give the athletes the benefit of a doubt. But it's become a little too blatant the last couple years

 

[xfactor]

I'm not just talking about basketball. Talking the 3 majors where a black man is clearly in charge (GM & coach) and I listened to the broadcast I listen to all the time. The Knicks play on 1050AM ESPN radio in NYC (it's MSG radio network)

That lack of effort is exactly what I am referring to. Picture these same exact players trying that under ANY white GM & coach combination

They'd either be benched, cut or killed in a motorcycle accident (kidding). But serioulsy, they'd be discredited so badly in the press, they'd leave town out of shame....

(Unless their name is Stephon that is)


Think about the way Edgarrin James layed down like a bitch last year under Denny Green. Or how the Cubbies could't give a fuck about whether they won or lost last season when Dusty Baker was manager. Despite the fact that the best success they've had in decades was the year when Dusty was manager and they fell one game short of the series.

I've never really thought about it until now but thinking back to how the Nets layed down for Byron Scott and got him fired, then immediately reeled off 14 or 15 in a row in Frank's debut with the SAME team, I think you make a great point.

I'm actually trying to think back to see when a team at the professional level in basketball has done this to a white coach. I wouldnt count the NFL and MLB because I've seen players lay down for white coaches too but then again there arent as many black head coaches or managers.

 

[RunawaySlave]

It's happening right now. Take a look at The Cincinnati Bengals with Marvin Lewis. They've underachieved all season, ESPECIALLY Chad & Rudi Johnson

 

[xfactor]

It's happening right now. Take a look at The Cincinnati Bengals with Marvin Lewis. They've underachieved all season, ESPECIALLY Chad & Rudi Johnson

You could say the same about Baltimore and Brian Billick. The Jets and Eric Mangini.

Those teams are all underachieving but I was trying to think of a team that flat out QUIT on their coach, meaning that they atleast had some type of success in the previous season or in the current season, with the same core group of players and just shut down. It's happening in Chicago with Scott Skiles right now.

 

[RunawaySlave]

You could say the same about Baltimore and Brian Billick. The Jets and Eric Mangini.

Those teams are all underachieving but I was trying to think of a team that flat out QUIT on their coach, meaning that they atleast had some type of success in the previous season or in the current season, with the same core group of players and just shut down. It's happening in Chicago with Scott Skiles right now.

See, the difference is, you are trying to come up with teams and I am just talking about PLAYERS. Specifically BLACK players. I could really care less about what the white players are doing because I don't expect a high percentage of them to go all out for a black coach anyway.

I mentioned the Bengals, because it wan't too long ago that they were challenging the Steelers for AFC supremacy with basically the same set of players at the SKILL positions that they have now. Most of whom are still pretty young (Palmer and the Johnsons) whereas Billicks' Ravens are all pretty much at the end (McNair, Jamal Lewis last year, Derrick Mason) and have been through quite a few battles. And Billick has been the coach for 10 years.

But in too many case, the brothas get derailed before they even get started

 

[xfactor]

But in too many case, the brothas get derailed before they even get started

Kind of like last year when Coach Casey had the Timberwolves with a winning record, and in the 8th spot in the West before getting fired mid-season and replaced by Randy Wittman.

EDIT - Looks like the Tricks didnt quit on Coach Thomas after all. But reading the play-by-play, I noticed that Marbury was riding the bench down the stretch. I wonder if that had anything to do with the comeback

 

[cranrab]

It's happening right now. Take a look at The Cincinnati Bengals with Marvin Lewis. They've underachieved all season, ESPECIALLY Chad & Rudi Johnson

RS,

my knowledge of football is a work in progress, but i thought the bengals' troubles were more due to injury and suspensions.

it was my impression that prior to this season the bengals were following the blueprint of the pre-superbowl colts. build a formidable offensive attack and hope to win by outscoring everyone.

i thought the bengals were on the part of the formula that calls for complementing their O with better personnel on D.

i would have attributed the bengals poor win loss record with the inability to keep their best talent on the field, in much the same way the colts are struggling now.

 

[cranrab]

on another note, i'm glad to see that romeo crennel and mike tomlin don't appear to be suffering from this phenomenon.

perhaps karl dorrell is?

BTW, i didn't find the article that references this phenomenon, but i do remember that it was authored by stephen a smith.

XF, you're probably too young to remember it, but in the late 1980's don chaney was a victim of it.

 

[ronmch20]

Moss' lack of enthusiasm in Oakland was a result of him being underutilized and unappreciated. Had nothing to do with the coach's race. How do you explain brothers putting out big time for Tony Dungy, or Lovie Smith, or Mike Tomlin?

GTFOH with this self hating, bullshit drivel.

 

[RunawaySlave]

Moss' lack of enthusiasm in Oakland was a result of him being underutilized and unappreciated. Had nothing to do with the coach's race. How do you explain brothers putting out big time for Tony Dungy, or Lovie Smith, or Mike Tomlin?

GTFOH with this self hating, bullshit drivel.

Explaining Dungy is easy. To EVERY rule, their is a thing called an EXCEPTION. Dungy's stay in Indy was obviously the exception to what I am talking about. Also, while i expect poster's popping this kind of shit to have short memories, how can you forget that Dungy was on the verge of retirement before his son's suicide. That unfortunate incident served as a rallying point for the team. But up to that point, the Colts were KNOWN for being an underachieving team in the playoffs. And let's not forget how the Bucs ultimately quite on him in Tampa after all the success he bought to THAT franchise

remember??

Lovie Smith's success has been somewhat short lived. I can name at least one brotha who is in the process of quitting on the coach right now!! LANCE BRIGGS has had a pretty underwhelming season when he's been healthy. Take away the one 16 tackle game and he hasn't done much else. Have you checked the Bears record this season or you just talking out the side of ya neck??

Tomlin is still a rookie. He hasn't been the coach long enough for the team to give up on him yet. Hopefully, he will also become the exception rather than the rule.


You sound like one of those so-called reporters (Jim Rome, Bob Costas, etc) coming in here with that bullshit. Then got the nerve to call what I'm saying drivel. At least know your history before coming at me sideways. Embolding your statements only highlights how wrong they are

 

[RunawaySlave]

RS,

my knowledge of football is a work in progress, but i thought the bengals' troubles were more due to injury and suspensions.


i would have attributed the bengals poor win loss record with the inability to keep their best talent on the field, in much the same way the colts are struggling now.

Well, IMO, the off field problems of the Bengals are part of what I'm referring to. Players know they are responsible for certain things, yet brothas on the Bengals repeatedly get in trouble off the field. Getting arrested over some bullshit is the biggest copout of all in my honest opinion. If it's just one case, then it could be discounted, but so many cases (white players too) on one team indicates that something ain't right in that locker room. Or in the players' attitudes. Or maybe it just Lewis. I do not know. This way just a question, I do not profess to have the answers to it.

Injuries happen all the time to every team. But in Rudi & Chad Johnson's case, their performances have fallen off considerably enough for me to question whether they care whether this team wins or loses. Until CJ's big game last week, he had virtually disappeared from the offense. And he wasn't even injured, he just took a big hit. Rudi Johnson has been malignering all season. Funny how certain players injuries take sooooo much longer to heal if they're in a situation they no longer appreciate. or if they deem there's nothing to "play for" anymore


But again, there are always EXCEPTIONS to everything I say. Any halfwit would know that (not referring to you Cran)