Has Windows Vista failed?

Jagi

True Fist of the North Star
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Has Windows Vista failed?
December 30, 2007
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When Microsoft extended the lifespan of its Windows XP operating system, announcing that it would remain on store shelves until June next year, it appeared that people were taking a dim view about the merits of upgrading to Windows Vista.


Windows XP was supposed to expire in January 2008, but the five-month kiss-of-life was explained by Microsoft as a response to feedback from its customers, which made industry-watchers wonder whether the real reason was that people were not prepared to upgrade to Vista, which went on sale in January this year.


Microsoft was at pains to stress that Vista was doing well, but admitted there were “some customers who need a little more time to make the switch.”


Customers of the UK retailer PC World certainly seemed to be dragging their feet when it came to upgrading to Vista.


Dixons Stores Group International (DSG), which owns the retailer, blamed poor financial results in its most recent quarter on “slow Vista-related hardware sales.”


It pointed the finger at “disappointing sales of Vista-related products and a changing sales mix” for reducing margins by around two per cent in its computing division.


But in the face of this, Microsoft announced last month that sales of Vista have reached 88 million, which is almost double the amount of copies of XP in the same period at its launch.


“With more than 88 million licenses sold as of this summer, Windows Vista is on track to be the fastest selling operating system in Microsoft's history,” Mike Haigh, Windows marketing manager for Microsoft UK, told Web User.


“We're seeing adoption that's generally in line with our expectations at this point,” he added.


The numbers game


“What DSG is saying doesn't entirely square with Microsoft's results,” said David Bradshaw, principal analyst in Ovum's software group. “Microsoft has had good Vista sales for consumers. Maybe DSG didn't get as much of the sales as it thought it would. Perhaps it had over-ambitious plans.”


We asked DSG about the apparent mis-match.


“Vista didn't perform as stratospherically as we had hoped. It wasn't all Vista's fault. We think it's a great product that is continuing to attract people, but it didn't explode in the way we anticipated,” said Mark Webb, group media relations manager for DSG.


Webb says the company expected more sales, but another factor for DSG's depressed figures is consumers changing buying habits - a trend remarked on by Microsoft which said it is seeing more retail customers purchasing their new Windows operating system when they get a new PC rather than buying it as a standalone product.


“People have not been buying Vista on its own. A lot of people bought laptops with Vista but that is not as profitable for us as people buying upgrades to the operating system. If they are going to get Vista, they are waiting until they buy a new laptop - sadly not enough people did that as we expected,” said DSG's Webb.


This could partly have been down to the timing of Vista's launch, according to Michael Gartenberg, an analyst with Jupiter Research.


“Vista was launched in mid-winter - not at a typical time when people buy PCs. We have not yet been through a consumer buying season,” he said.


To kick-start demand in the summer, DSG teamed up with Orange to offer a 'free' laptop worth £300 when customers signed up to Orange broadband.


“We sold a lot although the margins were not huge, but we had to stimulate the market,” said Webb.


Cheap PCs make the trend in changing buying habits likely to continue. A lot of consumers don't see the point of buying Vista on its own for around £100 and having to install it themselves when you can get it bundled with a new PC for as little as £300.


“Vista is a really expensive beastie on its own and we're moving to the point when only a relatively small number of people are prepared to fork out money for an operating system on its own when you consider PCs are becoming a relatively cheap commodity,” said Ovum's Bradshaw.


Upgrade appeal


Another fact worth bearing in mind is that many customers don't believe that Vista will make a great difference to their productivity or online experience.


“Vista is just another operating system which is why many people are sticking with Windows XP. Microsoft would make itself very unpopular if it didn't continue to support XP and stopped providing security updates, for example. If they don't preserve people's goodwill, they could opt for Apple Mac,” said Bradshaw.


“Web users often just want a stable platform that will give them a good browsing experience and what makes a difference is not whether you're running XP or Vista, but what browser you've got,” he added.


But a potential deterrent for upgrading to Vista are support and compatibility issues as some programmes are not available on Vista.


“One reason not to upgrade is if there is not a Vista version of an application available. I have an out-of-date photo editing application. I would have to pay a lot of money to upgrade it to my PC installed with Vista, so I keep it on my XP machine,” said Bradshaw.


Security is another issue. Although Microsoft says Vista is more secure than XP, many users have found Vista's vigilance a hassle.


“Security can seem more clunky on Vista with lots of pop-ups asking you if a programme is allowed to do something,” said Bradshaw. However, Jupiter Research's Gartenberg points out that there are always backward-compatibility issues with any new operating system.


Blowing Vista's trumpet


“It the usual growing pains of any operating system. If you look at the numbers - Vista is a success. The question is 'could it have been more successful?' Consumers need to understand all the new things in Vista and Microsoft has not done the best job at evangelising its features which helps drive upgrades,” he said.


For those of you interested in digital media, Gartenberg says Vista affords better integration of music, pictures and slideshows of content - as well as better security and stability, although he admits that is not something that necessarily sells.


Microsoft's Haigh stressed: “Windows Vista provides a computing experience that is easier, safer, more entertaining and more connected.”


However a recent Web User online survey reveals that the Microsoft message about the virtues of Vista is not hitting home.


Seventy-six per cent of respondents have no plans to upgrade to Vista, compared to 16 per cent who have made the leap, five per cent who want to make the switch, and three per cent who favour Apple Macs.


Despite the majority of those polled baulking over the upgrade, Ovum's Bradshaw believes people will buy into Vista when they next upgrade their hardware.


“People replacing their computers would be daft not to upgrade to Vista. Over time, all new software will only be available on Vista. People wanting to buy games or applications that are process-intensive will need Vista,” Bradshaw told Web User.


“There are three inevitabilities in life - death, taxes and an upgrade to your operating system,” he said.


http://www.webuser.co.uk/news/news.php?id=170930
 
Vista is becoming the new IBM. To many bugs. Too many reporting issues and too many crashes. Most end-users are searching for boot xp cd's with serials.








Wootten Hathaway
 
That is what at least ONE employee tells me at EVERY Best Buy I have gone to has told me.:yes:

Hell, it has been over a 20 year Windows run. The ushered in the internet. Give Bill Gates a break.:lol: The business cycle applies to Microsoft too. Now that the internet is already here, innovation now should be easy i.e. Mozilla Firefox, Linux etc.
 
Had some problems w/ Vista when I first switched (most of which was the notebook manufacturers' fault), but since then everything has been straight. Would never go back to XP.

The same things people are saying about the XP/Vista switch are the same things they said about the Win 98/XP switch.
 
I don't know about Vista. I am using W2K right now, and don't plan to upgrade.

As for your post - don't let Colin get wind of it. :lol:
 
windows me = windows Vista
----2000-----------2007

:yes:

when xp came out, just about all of the people i knew and companies that i worked for made the switch rather quickly. I only know 2 people who have vista and they both hate it, plus my company still uses xp.
 
It's got quirks but Vista is ok. Bottom line MS is moving in a direction I'm not real excited about. I won't downgrade what I have. It's usable but it's like the interface was created for pimple faced white kids who play with Nintendo DS and fuck around on myspace all day. Change the interface, then MS might get us back in the fold.

But they need to hurry. I got a Mac. :yes:

-VG
 
It's got quirks but Vista is ok. Bottom line MS is moving in a direction I'm not real excited about. I won't downgrade what I have. It's usable but it's like the interface was created for pimple faced white kids who play with Nintendo DS and fuck around on myspace all day. Change the interface, then MS might get us back in the fold.

But they need to hurry. I got a Mac. :yes:

-VG

and my next new computer will be a MAC as well. i'm saying the coin to get it starting in january-a little deposit from each paycheck until i can walk-in with cash.
 
y'all smacked. there is nothing wrong wit vista. people just mad its taken more work to upgrade to vista then it did to go from w2k to xp. as far as os x goes, person use fine, but it will never make it to the enterprise level. os x is for small to mid-size businesses and open directory can't handle an enterprise environment. i work on both networks for the military.
 
Works fine, was even able to use a non-authentic version and completely do-away with the 30-day activation timer. I might be in trouble in 2060 though :yes:
 
the only reason the transition from 98 to xp went smoothly was the that xp was using the THE NT kernel and as a result businesses were happy to quickly upgrade .

vista has brought about demands which most businesses can not justify , due to legacy applications still running perfectly well on the old hardware and OS. i do consultancy for a couple of banks , and most are still running COBOL on their applications , most do not see the point of upgrading to vista .

but on the server side , everyone knows that win2k3 is the de facto standard , and as much as the fan boys might cry MAC this , that .

MAC will never be taken up by big business .
 
What's the reason to upgrade to Windows Vista? Im going to pay $300 just to get a pretty OS?

Im been a PC man for over 12 Years. I Switch over to MAC OSX Leopard. Which just murders Windows in every shape and form. MAC OSX is what a OS should be. No need to worry about Virus,Spyware, I had my Mac Pro for over a 1 Year and it only crashed 1 time.
 
I was thinking about upgrading to the vista premium from my XP Media Center Edition, but after installing the vista transfromation pack 8, i'll stick with my XP, it do look better and i haven't had any system errors in running the application..knock on wood.

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the only reason the transition from 98 to xp went smoothly was the that xp was using the THE NT kernel and as a result businesses were happy to quickly upgrade .

vista has brought about demands which most businesses can not justify , due to legacy applications still running perfectly well on the old hardware and OS. i do consultancy for a couple of banks , and most are still running COBOL on their applications , most do not see the point of upgrading to vista .

but on the server side , everyone knows that win2k3 is the de facto standard , and as much as the fan boys might cry MAC this , that .

MAC will never be taken up by big business
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I used to believe that about big business and the Mac and I ain't no fanboy saying this. I'm a very recent convert to the Mac OS (Tiger). Like in the last 3 months.
But many big companies have a Mac component in them. If you work in offices you've seen them blazing the hotest Mac equipment too. All the offices I've visited this past year have them deployed somewhere in the company.

Before I got a Mac, I used to think it must be a limited use system. Now that I own one, I'm not so sure it's all that limited. This bitch can do everything including running MS Vista and do it with relative ease.

@blackmouth
Save up cousin'. When you get one, watch how little you boot up your PC from the day you boot your Mac. Shit is flat out frighting.

-VG
 
The bottom line, Vista is a resource hog and if your system is not up to par and you are not a serious pc gamer, there is no need to get it!
However if you are, it is worth upgrading!
 
I don't have any problems with Vista. Folks are just complaining because its something new. Folks are going to really love Vista when its unleashed to show how it will connect all your digital media.
 
Folks who are complaining about how much vista sucks forget that windows XP did not get right until after service pack 2.


Oh and you would be surprised about the number of companies who waited 3 or more years before converting to windows xp. for the longest, most fortune 500 were running 2000 until about 2004 when that service pack came out
 
The bottom line, Vista is a resource hog and if your system is not up to par and you are not a serious pc gamer, there is no need to get it!
However if you are, it is worth upgrading!

:yes:

I just bought me a new Gateway PC

Intel Core 2 Quad Processor

4 Gigs or RAM (Supports up to 8 Gigs)

The rig it's running flawless.

Most people's PC's aren't up to specs that's why they think it's a resource hog, it's like trying to run XP with 256 MB of RAM.
 
When I got my new pc built in order to keep from buying a new OS, my boy who helped me get the parts, put on Windows XP 64 server...... THAT is one their BEST OSs but no hardware manufactures, or most others, never made any drivers for it. Many have told that the OS is one their best but MS put Vista so quickly after most just went from there...
 
Folks who are complaining about how much vista sucks forget that windows XP did not get right until after service pack 2.


Oh and you would be surprised about the number of companies who waited 3 or more years before converting to windows xp. for the longest, most fortune 500 were running 2000 until about 2004 when that service pack came out

True but why should i have to Pay $300+ for a beta Product? Microsoft has Billions of Dollars and over 10,000 Programmers and 5+ Years of development cycle. How can you have a new Product that preforms worst than the old one.
 
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