This man makes a good ass point, and it slowly makes me wonder what the outcome could be for this fight and the boxing world. What are ya'll takes on this and more about the fight as it draws near?
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This man makes a good ass point, and it slowly makes me wonder what the outcome could be for this fight and the boxing world. What are ya'll takes on this and more about the fight as it draws near?
Naw, he even said DLH really wasn't as hyped up as he was. He lost ever major fight he had, and what this man is saying is that Floyd is getting lost in that spotlight and does not see that he COULD get knocked out of he takes hits fight as a joke. He also knows that Hatton is taking this for the fight of his life, but is Floyd?
The only problem is, he did not show much against DLH. This is a different fight, because now he has someone who loves to push the fight and grab. I love Floyd's defense, but can he get some shots in while taking a few?
To be honest, I think Hatton has only one chance to win. Work the body and slow Floyd down. Another person I think could really challenge is Cotto. He has power and speed, he just needs to keep that gas in his tank and he should be able to put on a good fight.
I caught one of them 24/7's. That nigga talk a looooooooooooootttttttt of shit...but the past is the past. DOn't fuckin go out like Jermaine Taylor talkin all that shit and the white boy come in there and whip yo monkey ass. Don't know if it's his time yet but that ass gonna hit the canvas one day. I remember when we thought Tyson was invincible and a busta ass nigga named buster knocked his ass out.
He makes a few points, but a lot of it is just B.S. Oscar De La Hoya never beat another great fighter? What about Julio Cesar Chavez? But back on topic, I know what he means about the Mayweather camp, particularly Roger Mayweather. As immature as the media tries to make Floyd out to be, he is probably one of the most self-disceplined boxers there is when it comes to his training regimen. And why does Hatton get props for jumping over saw-horses in someones basement while Floyd gets ragged on for running on a treadmill at 24/7 Fitness? I think this fight can go either way, but Jay Mohr needs to stop drinking Hatorade and stick to doing wack as movies and TV shows.
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we will just have to see, but I try not to get caught up in the T.V. shit,
please don't think PBF is taking this fight lightly, it would be hard for me to think
one think when it comes to that ring all that other shit is gone with PBF, now if
he decides to change that with this fight well, thats that
please don't think PBF is taking this fight lightly, it would be hard for me to think
one think when it comes to that ring all that other shit is gone with PBF, now if
he decides to change that with this fight well, thats that
Isnt this the same routine before all of Floyd's fights? If this hatin dude hasnt realize is that Floyd tries his hardest to sell his fights in an arena that has its ups and downs. The Oscar fight was a bad fight cause of the size difference and styles. That Zab fight was good though. Noticed how Floyd played the "good" guy and Zab starred as his usaul ingnint self, then with oscar, Floyd switched roles?
I dont see him losing to Hatton because of his mechanics and wit in the ring. Hatton is sloppy and cliches a lot. He has a good sense of humor and I think thats what made Floyd choose him. Besides everyone likes the great white hype.
As far as training goes, Floyd is tight I saw one of his training sessions back in the Ru about 5 years back and its crazy. 5000 punches thrown a day!!! Jumping rope for like 20-30 minutes(try it). Banging with dudes like 30 pounds heavier. His father gave him that defense but Roger lets him just do his thang. Sometimes fathers can hold they sons back or not have the smarts to prepare them for "different" fighters. Sr. is a jealous MF anyway. When Roger won a belt back in the day Sr. was mad. Anyway, take Shane, if he had a different trainer he may have beat Forrest. Look at Roy never switched his game up to beat tough LHVYs. Just rolling off raw talent. That Father as a trainer stuff only goes so far. Anyway should be a good one.
I dont see him losing to Hatton because of his mechanics and wit in the ring. Hatton is sloppy and cliches a lot. He has a good sense of humor and I think thats what made Floyd choose him. Besides everyone likes the great white hype.
As far as training goes, Floyd is tight I saw one of his training sessions back in the Ru about 5 years back and its crazy. 5000 punches thrown a day!!! Jumping rope for like 20-30 minutes(try it). Banging with dudes like 30 pounds heavier. His father gave him that defense but Roger lets him just do his thang. Sometimes fathers can hold they sons back or not have the smarts to prepare them for "different" fighters. Sr. is a jealous MF anyway. When Roger won a belt back in the day Sr. was mad. Anyway, take Shane, if he had a different trainer he may have beat Forrest. Look at Roy never switched his game up to beat tough LHVYs. Just rolling off raw talent. That Father as a trainer stuff only goes so far. Anyway should be a good one.
Fuck the hype, I just wanna see the fight.
This is the same Jay Mohr that said Oscar would KO Shane in 8 in their first fight. Stick to comedy and acting Jay. Leave sport journalism (boxing) to real professionals like Tim Smith, Bernard Fernandez, Kevin Iole, Wally Matthews, Michael Hirsley, Steve Springer, Ron Borges, Tim Dahlberg, Michael Katz, Jerry Izenberg, Steve Farhood, Tim Graham, Dan Rafael, Thomas Hauser & Crew(SecondsOut.com), and Doug Fisher/Steve Kim/Thomas Gerbasi/Eric Raskin (MaxBoxing.com)
That dude is just a hater overall. I don't want to hear all that mess. There's a whole bunch of folks that want to see PBF loose (mostly white), but I don't think it's gonna happen. While I do think Hatton has a slight chance but I think PBF is to skilled for him at the end.
Here it is once again, a white boy wishing ill will on the current black champion. What else is new? I'm sur Ali, Leonard, Louis, Foreman, Tyson, Patterson all heard the same thing. It amazes me that white folks get incensed at the mere thought of not being superior at something. Kinda makes me laugh. Has anyone actually looked at the stats of both fighters. I have and I see what PBF sees. Maybe no one has actually taken the time to check, but search out Hattons 1st 12-13 fights, all of them were against people with losing records. Hatton's greatest accomplishment was the Tszyu fight with a disinterested opponent. Tszyu took that fight as his last money fight. When Hatton fought Castillo he was already washed up after the wars with Corrales. Bear in mind that PBF beat both of those fighters convincingly. It seems to me that PBF has at least 3 different styles based on the opposition. Hatton has 1. When PBF adapts to the rushing style will Hatton be able to change his style to compete? We will see but the WASPS will root for anyone that is not a bold unafraid black man.
just my .02
just my .02
First off, Jay Mohr is full of absolute stinking donkey shit. I read this article days ago, and pondered posting it to say we should all roll with Mayweather, because this dude's tone is just horrible and borderline racist.
First off
Mayweather is in shape 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. THIS is why. The people who train him are devoted to him. Devoted into making him a superstar, devoted to keeping him that way. Mayweather is driven and this is what truly makes him great, an all time great possibly. The people who are the best in their fields stay the best because they train harder and longer than everyone else. Jordan, Lebron and Kobe for example.
First Mohr takes a shot at Mayweather because he plays the cocky role, but not he's taking a shot at him because he works out where other people can work out? Also, dude likes Hatton because he's a regular guy, and Hatton works out in a regular gym also, where anyone can come. So why is it good for Hatton but not for Floyd? Oh I get it, Mohr is playing this as cocky bad guy black man, vs. hard working everyday white man. This is obviously being set up as Rocky.
As far as Hattons fights. I seen the Kostya Tszyu fight. From the beginning Tszyu looked like he wasn't up to fight. Couple that with the fact the ref let Hatton hold and hit THROUGHOUT THE FIGHT. Anytime Tszyu started to get something together, Hatton would grab him and punch him, with the ref never warning him or breaking it up. It can be argued that Collazo beat Hatton, and you can't compare Hatton beating Castillo to Mayweather beating him, because 1. the style of the boxer can change a fight's outcome, and Mayweather fought Castillo closer to Castillo's peak. Personally I felt Castillo was never the same after the Corrales fights.
I am rooting hard for Mayweather to win, because personally I cannot stand Hatton's style. 24/7 has made Hatton more likeable to me, but overall I am still behind Mayweather. When people see Mayweather acting the fool I see someone trying to hype up a fight. The real Mayweather is closer to the guy who fought Zab Judah.
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WTF?
Mayweather is in shape 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. THIS is why. The people who train him are devoted to him. Devoted into making him a superstar, devoted to keeping him that way. Mayweather is driven and this is what truly makes him great, an all time great possibly. The people who are the best in their fields stay the best because they train harder and longer than everyone else. Jordan, Lebron and Kobe for example.
First Mohr takes a shot at Mayweather because he plays the cocky role, but not he's taking a shot at him because he works out where other people can work out? Also, dude likes Hatton because he's a regular guy, and Hatton works out in a regular gym also, where anyone can come. So why is it good for Hatton but not for Floyd? Oh I get it, Mohr is playing this as cocky bad guy black man, vs. hard working everyday white man. This is obviously being set up as Rocky.
As far as Hattons fights. I seen the Kostya Tszyu fight. From the beginning Tszyu looked like he wasn't up to fight. Couple that with the fact the ref let Hatton hold and hit THROUGHOUT THE FIGHT. Anytime Tszyu started to get something together, Hatton would grab him and punch him, with the ref never warning him or breaking it up. It can be argued that Collazo beat Hatton, and you can't compare Hatton beating Castillo to Mayweather beating him, because 1. the style of the boxer can change a fight's outcome, and Mayweather fought Castillo closer to Castillo's peak. Personally I felt Castillo was never the same after the Corrales fights.
I am rooting hard for Mayweather to win, because personally I cannot stand Hatton's style. 24/7 has made Hatton more likeable to me, but overall I am still behind Mayweather. When people see Mayweather acting the fool I see someone trying to hype up a fight. The real Mayweather is closer to the guy who fought Zab Judah.
conversation between Floyd Sr. and Roger Mayweather = Lost in Translation
Floyd is highly skilled but doesn't fight or take chances to finish opponents like the other greats. He just piles up da points and gladly takes the decision. Hatton will pressure him and focus on the body. The question is can he connect. Remember speed kills! Hope its a good one but i got Floyd by decision.
Floyd is highly skilled but doesn't fight or take chances to finish opponents like the other greats. He just piles up da points and gladly takes the decision. Hatton will pressure him and focus on the body. The question is can he connect. Remember speed kills! Hope its a good one but i got Floyd by decision.
A lot of people thought Floyd lost the second fight to Castillo and Tszyu was the number two fighter pfp when he quit versus Hatton. You don't fight hard for eleven rounds like Tszyu did to quit on your stool at the end of the eleventh. He could have saved four or five rounds of punishment by taking a dive in the sixth or seventh round. Hatton forced him to quit, no excuses. When Castillo worked inside versus Floyd he was very successful. Floyd saved those fights by sticking and moving in the late rounds. If Hatton gets inside it could be a wrap...
side note-Let's be honest, I don't agree with everything Mohr says, but Roger Mayweather does look homeless...
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Oh shit, you're right. Mayweather, in his entire career, has fought only TWO guys with Losing records, Tony Duran who was 12-15, and Jesus Chavez who was 1-12. And Mayweather fought Chavez less than a month after fighting 12-3 Larry O'Shields, and fought Duran less than a month after 19-8 Bobby Giepert.
Meanwhile, Hatton, in a span of two years fought NINE guys with losing records. His first fight was against the 8-48 Colin McAuley, then two fights later against the 7-20 David Thompson, two months later 4-12 Paul Simon, three weeks later the 14-36 Karl Taylor. Damn he even fought a guy who was 17-72!
Hatton's so called big time fights were all close, with the exception of Castillo, who I maintain has never been the same fighter after the two Corrales fights. He had a UD over Collazo and two judges had it 115-112, with the third scoring 114-113, and this is with Collazo being knocked down in the first round.
The cards for Kostya Tszyu were 105-104, 106-103, 107-102, and this is with Hatton hitting and holding, and Kostya basically retired from boxing that night. Not because of Hatton, but because he was just done. There's no other big fights for Hatton.
As for Mayweather, he isn't stupid. He knows what he has to do to beat whoever he faces. The only fighter that could have beaten Mayweather was Judah, IMO. Judah could match Mayweather's speed and agility, and had more power than Floyd Jr., but he couldn't match his resilience, his mental preparedness. Judah has all the tools to be an all time great, but his mentality is what fucks him up. I feel Judah could have beaten Cotto also if he had a stronger mentality. But look who Judah used to be tight with, the other king of the short fight - Tyson.
So far everyone they threw up against Mayweather has fallen. He wasn't supposed to be able to handle Gatti's strength, but he took some shots from Gatti. He withstood Judah's speed and power, taking shots but weathering it. For Oscar he fought a guy who is naturally bigger and spent more time in the higher weight classes than Mayweather. People forget that it was Mayweather's first fight at 154 lbs, and he only came in at 150, with Oscar making 154. Couple that with Oscar having more experience at a heavier weight and the 2.5 inch height advantage Mayweather had to tread lightly. Also notice how most of Oscar's punches were well defended.
Compared to Hatton, Mayweather is 2 inches taller and has the arm reach advantage by SEVEN inches. So for Hatton's supposed power (which comes from shots that would be easy for Mayweather to defend - if Hatton starts up with a flurry Mayweather's defensive style is to shield most of his body to the side and keep his head out of Hatton's range) Mayweather has the speed, reach, and height advantage. Mayweather could move back and still tag Hatton to score, and if he goes up against the ropes he just has to either defend well and let Hatton tire, or he could counter in between. Though it would be more important to make sure he doesn't take one of Hatton's power shots to the face.
I see Mayweather winning, but I'd be lying if I didn't feel a little worried, because the Hatton hype machine has been building up. At the same time I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't dispatch Hatton easily, remembering what I have seen of Hatton in a ring.
And alot of people thought Collazo beat Hatton. Also many people thought De La Hoya beat Trinidad, and that Shane Mosely should have been the winner of some of his losses, most recently the Cotto fight.
Tsyzu, for whatever he was regarded as, LOST his ZEAL for boxing that night. Check his record. That was his last fight as a pro. He was finished with boxing, and like I been saying he was getting jerked around by the ref the whole fight, who didn't even warn Hatton about hitting and holding. Ref didn't want to shake up the crowd in the UK.
The key for Hatton would be to get inside, and be able to STAY inside, and continually go inside whenever he wanted. Much easier said than done.
The 1st rd knockdown saved Hatton's ass versus Collazo, plus Collazo was the naturally bigger fighter. I won money on the DLH Trinidad fight and I was in the process of pulling my fifty out of my pocket when they read those bogus scores (DLH did get robbed). I thought that Cotto beat Shane (those are my two faves in the weight class).
Tszyu's zeal was taken from him, he didn't lose it. I don't accept excuses after 11 hard rounds of fighting. Hatton wore his ass out...
I agree wholeheartedly !
Finally someone who talks with sense in this thread....
When are people (casual fans & journalist) going to stop using 24/7 as a measuring stick to judge fighters and their potential?
It's a "reality" show that's edited to paint a clearly decisive picture. What you see on 24/7 barely touches the surface of what goes on in either camp. Things and comments are done specifically for the show.
For the fight itself, my money is on PBF because he's a technical fighter, period. Hatton is a great figther but he's an aggressive "bully" type of fighter. The last fighter PBF faught like that was Gatti and you see what happened there.
It's a "reality" show that's edited to paint a clearly decisive picture. What you see on 24/7 barely touches the surface of what goes on in either camp. Things and comments are done specifically for the show.
For the fight itself, my money is on PBF because he's a technical fighter, period. Hatton is a great figther but he's an aggressive "bully" type of fighter. The last fighter PBF faught like that was Gatti and you see what happened there.
the thing about sportswriters is that they are all about emotion. you have to understand most of them are people that write about a sport but never DO the sport. Because of that they never get the respect they truly want from athletes.
this writer was so busy going on about what he sees as negatives in Mayweather's camp because he is blinded by his own dislike for Floyd.
Floyd stays at fighting weight and in terrific shape. Not doing the weight yo yo act take a huge amount of wear and tear off his body. Hatton had to drop 30 LBS to get to fighting weight.
Finally, if the writer was really god instead of busy dogging out the people around Floyd, he would of noticed something very very interesting. Floyd never shows his sparring matches. he doesn't let the cameras in for that. We see that he hired a former oponant to simulate Hatton's style. We know that he went 14 rounds with the cat, but thats it.
this writer has a lot of negatives to say bout Mayweather's camp but lets be honest to ourselves. If his camp ws really that bad the man would be a 5 time champ.
this writer was so busy going on about what he sees as negatives in Mayweather's camp because he is blinded by his own dislike for Floyd.
Floyd stays at fighting weight and in terrific shape. Not doing the weight yo yo act take a huge amount of wear and tear off his body. Hatton had to drop 30 LBS to get to fighting weight.
Finally, if the writer was really god instead of busy dogging out the people around Floyd, he would of noticed something very very interesting. Floyd never shows his sparring matches. he doesn't let the cameras in for that. We see that he hired a former oponant to simulate Hatton's style. We know that he went 14 rounds with the cat, but thats it.
this writer has a lot of negatives to say bout Mayweather's camp but lets be honest to ourselves. If his camp ws really that bad the man would be a 5 time champ.
Concerning Tsyzu's zeal. You're boxing a guy who's being allowed to grab and hit consistently. That gives that fighter an unfair advantage. That can sway the fight.
This is very important. Mayweather's camp only shows what they want us to see, because I remember reading how Mayweather used to have three sparring partners doing three rounds each as Mayweather would stay in versus them all, one by one.
I respect all angles but this dude is just idiotic. He talks about training? WTF. Floyd trains harder than anybody in boxing. How was he convinced Floyd would kill Oscar and not Ricky by training regimin when its the same routine.......Then he says Floyd shouldnt train at 24hr. fitness? WTF does that have to do with anything? a gym is a gym. "Bat Cave"? straight cracka shit and I dont even play the race card. Steward just trained Jermaine Taylor to get his ass whooped so I mean what does place of training have to do with this? Nothing.
If you dont like Floyd because he's flashy...fine. but to say this shit..is just dumb.
If you dont like Floyd because he's flashy...fine. but to say this shit..is just dumb.
that article has no source cited which is good cuz its fuckin trash
stop posting shit off of stormfront
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jay mohr? the bitch who had a show on espn for 2 weeks before getting cancelled?
All his boxing expertise can be placed on the tip of a needle with room for his wisdom.
stop posting shit off of stormfront
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jay mohr? the bitch who had a show on espn for 2 weeks before getting cancelled?
All his boxing expertise can be placed on the tip of a needle with room for his wisdom.
No one is better trained than Floyd. Only guy I have seen work as hard is Kelly Pavlik.
Muthafucka did that dancing with the stars bullshit and risked injury and went home and did what? Trained.
I dig Hatton a little bit more than I did but I want PBF to KO him in the first round just to shut up these morons.
They fought 11 tough rounds that way. The ref allowed it, so you have to adjust your game to the way he is calling it. It is the same in all sports. If the ref is calling bs ticky-tack calls, you have to adjust your game.
How does one game plan for cheating? Some things can be overcome but when boxing becomes wrestling how can you tell someone to just cope?
On the flip side, since so much of Hatton's career is based on cheating how do you think he is going to perform when not being able to do that? Last time that happened he lost to Collazo although the judges were blind.
I don't consider it cheating, you just hate Hatton. I don't have a favorite in tonights fight (even though I respect both), that's why I can be objective in my analysis. The fighters picked the ref prior to the fight, so complaining about the ref is kind of sad.
I dont hate hatton. If its illegal aka against the rules and is allowed to occur how is it not cheating? Please explain that to me.
I don't hate Hatton, I just know what the rules of boxing are and don't turn a blind eye to his liberal use of illegal tactics. We're not talking about Evander coming in with the head to cut you. We're talking about a guy who spends every minute of his fights in England holding and hitting, grabbing, elbowing etc. I like MMA too. If Hatton wants to scrap in MMA and do all that I'd cheer him on. I dont watch boxing to see wrestling. I dont watch Football to see Basketball either.
how are you objective when you already stated you dont like PBF? Who said anything about blaming the refs?
I don't watch MMA, but I watch all kinds of boxing. A lot of the Heavyweights do the same type of wrestling/boxing to open up the opponent. BHop is the dirtiest fighter in the game, but I know you respect him. I can't accept the excuses blaming the refs because both fighters agree on the ref before the fight. I don't like fighters who run and throw off their back foot (Corey Spinks-Jermain Taylor fight for ex).
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