Golden Boy Quits on Mayweather; Dismisses Superfight vs. Manny Pacquiao

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

It’s been a tough few days for Floyd Mayweather Jr., but it looks like Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer isn’t looking to alleviate any of that pain.

Even though everyone is already looking past Manny Pacquiao’s November bout versus Juan Manual Marquez and Mayweather’s September fight against Victor Ortiz, the Golden Boy head seems to believe the result of both matches is anything but a foregone conclusion. Speaking with BoxingScene, Schaefer -- traditionally one of Mayweather’s biggest allies in the business -- had this to say regarding the undefeated superstar’s chances when he laces his gloves up against Ortiz:

"Victor is in an amazing position. He is able to face the best fighter in the world. A fighter who hasn't fought in 16 months [by the time of the fight] and has had a lot of distractions outside of the ring that he's had to deal with. Let's face it, he can't hurt Victor Ortiz, but Victor can hurt him," Schaefer told BoxingScene.com's Luis Sandoval.

"I don't think the [Mayweather-Pacquiao] fight is going to happen. And I don't think that it's not going to happen because Mayweather doesn't want to do it or Pacquiao doesn't want to do it....or the split or the drug testing. I'll tell you what's going to be the reason on why the fight is not going to happen. The reason is - Victor Ortiz is going to beat Floyd Mayweather."

Ouch. Schaefer trying to hype up the fight by giving the underdog some extra billing through the press is a great tactic, but it also inadvertently makes a troubling amount of sense. Mayweather’s nonstop legal drama has kept him out of the ring since his massacre of “Sugar” Shane Mosley. He is distracted coming into this match. And, finally, the built-in motivation of being the first tally in Mayweather’s loss column does give some extra incentive to a boxer in Ortiz who can inflict some serious damage if he catches his opponent on an off day.

Obviously a loss by Mayweather effectively kills any shot at a Mayweather versus Pacquiao superfight, regardless of whether or not said loss was a fluke. That means in addition to carrying the burden of fighting his first match in a long while, his prized undefeated mark being a bout away from being a footnote in boxing lore, and continuous legal problems, Mayweather now also has to go into the Ortiz showdown knowing that he could potentially lose upwards of $50 million that he could garner from a fight against his Filipino counterpart.

Good luck, Floyd. It’s going to be an interesting few months.

 

[P03t]

they are already Overhyping Ortiz.....

he doesn't have the experience or the skill set to handle a guy like Floyd....

next NO DECENT JAB no way you are stopping Floyd.....

 

[P03t]

they are already Overhyping Ortiz.....

he doesn't have the experience or the skill set to handle a guy like Floyd....

next NO DECENT JAB no way you are stopping Floyd.....

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

they are already Overhyping Ortiz.....

he doesn't have the experience or the skill set to handle a guy like Floyd....

next NO DECENT JAB no way you are stopping Floyd.....

I don't think a jab will beat PBF anyways. I think the only way you beat a prime PBF is with power shots. Make him not want to throw punches and lose confidence in his counter punching skills. Also the experience issue might not matter if PBF comes in rusty and overweight. We have not seen him fight in over a years. That's a long time for an aging fighter.

 

[P03t]

I don't think a jab will beat PBF anyways. I think the only way you beat a prime PBF is with power shots. Make him not want to throw punches and lose confidence in his counter punching skills. Also the experience issue might not matter if PBF comes in rusty and overweight. We have not seen him fight in over a years. That's a long time for an aging fighter.

a decent jab can help beat Floyd....Ortiz can't just rush in throwing power punches against Floyd...Floyd will be gone before you can punch....a good jab can probably set him up to get inside in Ortiz' case....or attack Floyd's body.....

 

[Zeferino]

The best way to beat a superior boxer is to effectively maul him and create situations where you can punch with the boxer in close quarters. This is kind of what Duran did to Leonard in their first fight. Hmm. Eerily similar as Duran was new to 147 when he fought Leonard. That will be the last time I make any reference to Ortiz with Roberto Duran. Anyway, Ortiz's youth, sheer energy, and southpaw stance are more than enough to make this a complicated fight for Floyd. Sometimes you don't need a whole bunch of skill to beat a skillful champion. Boxing is full of upsets just because of this. Sometimes being younger, stronger, in shape, an believing in yourself is enough to overcome tremendous odds. Given the circumstances, Ortiz has a tremendous shot. When it comes closer to fight time, I will speak to someone about how he's looking in the gym and I just might bet on him. The whole situation with the time off, Mayweather's age, etc, to me just smells like a big upset waiting to happen.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

The best way to beat a superior boxer is to effectively maul him and create situations where you can punch with the boxer in close quarters. This is kind of what Duran did to Leonard in their first fight. Hmm. Eerily similar as Duran was new to 147 when he fought Leonard. That will be the last time I make any reference to Ortiz with Roberto Duran. Anyway, Ortiz's youth, sheer energy, and southpaw stance are more than enough to make this a complicated fight for Floyd. Sometimes you don't need a whole bunch of skill to beat a skillful champion. Boxing is full of upsets just because of this. Sometimes being younger, stronger, in shape, an believing in yourself is enough to overcome tremendous odds. Given the circumstances, Ortiz has a tremendous shot. When it comes closer to fight time, I will speak to someone about how he's looking in the gym and I just might bet on him. The whole situation with the time off, Mayweather's age, etc, to me just smells like a big upset waiting to happen.

basically. I am from the school of thought that a great boxer loses to a great slugger, and so on. You are not going to out box a prime PBF. But you can get him in a style that he is not used to and slug a victory away. A boxer/punch has a chance because of the power shots. Which is going to help Ortiz. But unless PBF is just completely off he is not being out boxed by dude.

 

[Zeferino]

basically. I am from the school of thought that a great boxer loses to a great slugger, and so on. You are not going to out box a prime PBF. But you can get him in a style that he is not used to and slug a victory away. A boxer/punch has a chance because of the power shots. Which is going to help Ortiz. But unless PBF is just completely off he is not being out boxed by dude.

Exactly. Why try and box a boxer? In that sense, it's not like Ortiz would have to have a great jab anyway. It's not like he's going to sit back and jab Mayweather and be successful. This fight is about attitude and strategy for Ortiz. If he displays the same attitude he showed against Berto combined with the right strategy, it will not be a walk in the park for Mayweather.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

basically. I am from the school of thought that a great boxer loses to a great slugger, and so on. You are not going to out box a prime PBF. But you can get him in a style that he is not used to and slug a victory away. A boxer/punch has a chance because of the power shots. Which is going to help Ortiz. But unless PBF is just completely off he is not being out boxed by dude.

That happened one time in the Castillo fight and it's never happened again. In fact, Mayweather's strength is his focus on his gameplan and how he doesn't let anything change it even if it costs him the first couple rounds.
I agree with Zef that Ortiz has certain things that make this an interesting fight and Ortiz has the chance for the biggest upset since Tyson in Tokyo but if he thinks he can get Floyd out of his box, he's already done.
Great boxers beat great sluggers all the time.
I don't see how this is bad for Mayweather as expressed in the OP. Ortiz is a GB fighter, Mayweather is not. He had to know they were going to take their fighter's side in this. If he wins, you don't think they're going to jump right back in bed with him for the next fight?

 

[Brother Blues]

If I had one sports wish...it would be for Ortiz and or Marquez to win,and kill the superfight.

 

[Spectrum]

a decent jab can help beat Floyd......

DLH was winning the first half of his fight with Mayweather when he was popping him with that jab.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Don't buy the hype on this one... A lot of swinging at air and getting touched up, but when he did land Peterson ate them with a 9 lbs weight disadvantage for those who care.

I'm buying both pay per views, but people are putting a lot more hope in Ortiz than his abilities show he's capable of fulfilling.

 

[playahaitian]

Don't buy the hype on this one... A lot of swinging at air and getting touched up, but when he did land Peterson ate them with a 9 lbs weight disadvantage for those who care.

I'm buying both pay per views, but people are putting a lot more hope in Ortiz than his abilities show he's capable of fulfilling.

 

[hsm2448]

One thing I could never see Floyd doing is entering the ring in anything less than tip top shape both physically mentally and as far as boxing condition. As much as he cares about his record and marketability? I don't see it. Furthermore understand that everyone benefits from the hype. Websites push it to get visitors hyped up, more comments and page views etc.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Don't buy the hype on this one... A lot of swinging at air and getting touched up, but when he did land Peterson ate them with a 9 lbs weight disadvantage for those who care.

I'm buying both pay per views, but people are putting a lot more hope in Ortiz than his abilities show he's capable of fulfilling.

As much as I like to call Ortiz a live underdog, watching the Peterson fight drains some life out of that.

If I had one sports wish...it would be for Ortiz and or Marquez to win,and kill the superfight.

You would be in the minority on that one.

Either way, boxing will live.

One thing I could never see Floyd doing is entering the ring in anything less than tip top shape both physically mentally and as far as boxing condition. As much as he cares about his record and marketability? I don't see it. Furthermore understand that everyone benefits from the hype. Websites push it to get visitors hyped up, more comments and page views etc.

 

[P03t]

DLH was winning the first half of his fight with Mayweather when he was popping him with that jab.

I was going to post this too...DLH was doing well when he used his jab...when he stop using the Jab PBF started to take over....

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I was going to post this too...DLH was doing well when he used his jab...when he stop using the Jab PBF started to take over....

I've always believe Mayweather's head movement or DLH's lack of stamina made him stop throwing the jab and depend on power punches.

 

[merce77]

I've always believe Mayweather's head movement or DLH's lack of stamina made him stop throwing the jab and depend on power punches.

Either that or his lack of intelligence, Oscar never struck me as the brightest bulb in the box. He was always smart enough to surround himself with the right people though.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Either that or his lack of intelligence, Oscar never struck me as the brightest bulb in the box. He was always smart enough to surround himself with the right people though.

Me too. It's hard to find smart boxers. There's Juan Diaz and that's it.
The most you can hope for is clever.

 

[P03t]

I've always believe Mayweather's head movement or DLH's lack of stamina made him stop throwing the jab and depend on power punches.

same thing is going to happen to Ortiz he can't run around the ring chasing PBF with power punches for 12 rds.....

unless PBF slowed down which I doubt.....he keeps in shape year round....

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

One thing I could never see Floyd doing is entering the ring in anything less than tip top shape both physically mentally and as far as boxing condition. As much as he cares about his record and marketability? I don't see it. Furthermore understand that everyone benefits from the hype. Websites push it to get visitors hyped up, more comments and page views etc.

He came in overweight for the jmm fight. Because of the long lay off it is possible.

 

[conspiracy Bro]

He came in overweight for the jmm fight. Because of the long lay off it is possible.

actually I've always felt that mayweather came in overweight on purpose since Jmm was trying to pull a pac move and have a fighter fight at Jmm's preferred weight. It was a dirty move but by coming in overweight Mayweather basically took away Jmm effectiveness as a knockout counter puncher and increased his own ability to bully him in the ring. That was why he was being grilled in the interview so much about it since they anouncers knew exactly why he did it.

As for this fight I am gonna give Ortiz a 25% chance at winning it. Not because Mayweather fell off. Dude imposing defense is always slept on because we as fans only get to see it maybe once or twice in a 3 year period on average.

So the real reason Ortiz has a chance is because he is a knockout puncher who can box (not just brawl). Those are in a lot of ways the most dangerous kind because they lull you to sleep with technique and then BAM they knock you out.

on the flip even if Ortiz loses this fight it could definitely be a big step in his career as long as he doesn't get beat up/knocked out.

 

[P03t]

actually I've always felt that mayweather came in overweight on purpose since Jmm was trying to pull a pac move and have a fighter fight at Jmm's preferred weight. It was a dirty move but by coming in overweight Mayweather basically took away Jmm effectiveness as a knockout counter puncher and increased his own ability to bully him in the ring. That was why he was being grilled in the interview so much about it since they anouncers knew exactly why he did it.

As for this fight I am gonna give Ortiz a 25% chance at winning it. Not because Mayweather fell off. Dude imposing defense is always slept on because we as fans only get to see it maybe once or twice in a 3 year period on average.

So the real reason Ortiz has a chance is because he is a knockout puncher who can box (not just brawl). Those are in a lot of ways the most dangerous kind because they lull you to sleep with technique and then BAM they knock you out.

on the flip even if Ortiz loses this fight it could definitely be a big step in his career as long as he doesn't get beat up/knocked out.

the catch weight was 144 I believe May came in 2 lbs over...he could have burned the 2 lbs easy but decided to take the fine than deplete his body so close to the fight....

IMO it had less to do with him being out of shape but him keeping his speed & endurance...

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

actually I've always felt that mayweather came in overweight on purpose since Jmm was trying to pull a pac move and have a fighter fight at Jmm's preferred weight. It was a dirty move but by coming in overweight Mayweather basically took away Jmm effectiveness as a knockout counter puncher and increased his own ability to bully him in the ring. That was why he was being grilled in the interview so much about it since they anouncers knew exactly why he did it.

what? You got it all wrong. JMM jumped up two weight classes to fight PBF. He was so slowed by that weight is was crazy. And PBF came in overweight most likely because he was not disciplined enough to get in the proper shape after a long layoff. PBF dictated the terms of that fight, not JMM. He was being grilled because not making weight is a form of cheating in boxing.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

He came in overweight for the jmm fight. Because of the long lay off it is possible.

That's not what happened.

the catch weight was 144 I believe May came in 2 lbs over...he could have burned the 2 lbs easy but decided to take the fine than deplete his body so close to the fight....

IMO it had less to do with him being out of shape but him keeping his speed & endurance...

That's what happened. He came in at/around the welterweight limit for a fight at a catchweight. He didn't make the catchweight because to do so would have drained him. He chose not to and paid JMM for it.
So again, he stays in shape yearround, which minimizes (but not eliminates) ring rust.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

That's not what happened.



That's what happened. He came in at/around the welterweight limit for a fight at a catchweight. He didn't make the catchweight because to do so would have drained him. He chose not to and paid JMM for it.
So again, he stays in shape yearround, which minimizes (but not eliminates) ring rust.

so he initially cheated? I am trying to give him an excuse for being unprofessional in a prize fight. wow, I would think you would like my excuse better. But to be honest they are the same thing. He couldn't and would because he would be drained. They reason for the excess weight was dude to his layoff. at least this is what i believe. why he didn't try to lose it. That is what it is, cheating.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

so he initially cheated? I am trying to give him an excuse for being unprofessional in a prize fight. wow, I would think you would like my excuse better. But to be honest they are the same thing. He couldn't and would because he would be drained. They reason for the excess weight was dude to his layoff. at least this is what i believe. why he didn't try to lose it. That is what it is, cheating.

He doesn't need an excuse. It was inexcusably unprofessional. The only redeeming thing in that whole mess was he let them know in advance and worked out a deal to make the fight happen.
You have really been misunderstanding all this time. I don't shape the world to fit my view. I shape my view to the world.
His first mistake was fighting JMM. Then agreeing to a catchweight, while I'm sure he thought he could make it, he had to know he hadn't been at that weight in years.
There's nothing to say it was because of the layoff, he just couldn't safely get down to 144.
You can call it "cheating". I don't but I can see how someone else can.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

He doesn't need an excuse. It was inexcusably unprofessional. The only redeeming thing in that whole mess was he let them know in advance and worked out a deal to make the fight happen.
You have really been misunderstanding all this time. I don't shape the world to fit my view. I shape my view to the world.
His first mistake was fighting JMM. Then agreeing to a catchweight, while I'm sure he thought he could make it, he had to know he hadn't been at that weight in years.
There's nothing to say it was because of the layoff, he just couldn't safely get down to 144.
You can call it "cheating". I don't but I can see how someone else can.

At least you can see how it can be viewed as cheating. Both of the fighters agreed to the catchweight. Which was dumb as hell for jmm. He was not going to be affective at all. It wasnt dumb for PBF if he cared enough to be professional. If 144 was to low then he should hav fough a 147 champ. That coming in overweight really rubs me th wrong way. Actually that is the only thing he has done that irks me. The boring fighting sfyles and avoiding certain challenges are just pbf being pbf.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

At least you can see how it can be viewed as cheating. Both of the fighters agreed to the catchweight. Which was dumb as hell for jmm. He was not going to be affective at all. It wasnt dumb for PBF if he cared enough to be professional. If 144 was to low then he should hav fough a 147 champ. That coming in overweight really rubs me th wrong way. Actually that is the only thing he has done that irks me. The boring fighting sfyles and avoiding certain challenges are just pbf being pbf.

I don't think it was dumb for JMM because it was the only way he was going to get one of the biggest, if not the biggest, payday of his career. It's still the biggest pay audience. I agree that Mayweather and his camp shouldn't have agreed to the catchweight but they probably thought they needed it to get JMM in the ring. Picking him as a comeback fight is what made me think he was aiming for a Pacquiao fight since Pac had beaten DLH and Hatton.
I think he could have drawn the same million buys fighting Cotto who was still a viable contender at the time.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

I don't think it was dumb for JMM because it was the only way he was going to get one of the biggest, if not the biggest, payday of his career. It's still the biggest pay audience. I agree that Mayweather and his camp shouldn't have agreed to the catchweight but they probably thought they needed it to get JMM in the ring. Picking him as a comeback fight is what made me think he was aiming for a Pacquiao fight since Pac had beaten DLH and Hatton.
I think he could have drawn the same million buys fighting Cotto who was still a viable contender at the time.

As I was writing my response I had hope you didnt bring up money. Yeah it made sense fir financial reasons, but he was not going to win. I feel the same way about his fight with manny this time. I dont see how he is going to carry the weight. And against manny it probably will be ugly. Pbf should have fought cotto. But then again that would have been a tough challenge compared to him fighting a small and fat jmm.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

As I was writing my response I had hope you didnt bring up money. Yeah it made sense fir financial reasons, but he was not going to win. I feel the same way about his fight with manny this time. I dont see how he is going to carry the weight. And against manny it probably will be ugly. Pbf should have fought cotto. But then again that would have been a tough challenge compared to him fighting a small and fat jmm.

Tougher? Maybe. But Cotto hasn't shown anything to suggest he would have been a tough fight for Mayweather at that time.
That's the one thing I hate about the Pac-JMM III fight, the weight limit which is clearly done to favor Pacquiao.

You know it's always about the money, buk, c'mon now. They call it "prizefighting" for a reason.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Tougher? Maybe. But Cotto hasn't shown anything to suggest he would have been a tough fight for Mayweather at that time.
That's the one thing I hate about the Pac-JMM III fight, the weight limit which is clearly done to favor Pacquiao.

You know it's always about the money, buk, c'mon now. They call it "prizefighting" for a reason.

I agree on everything except for the maybe. The jmm vs pbf was a joke. At least the manny fight has history around it.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I agree on everything except for the maybe. The jmm vs pbf was a joke. At least the manny fight has history around it.

Agreed. Making it at 144 instead of 140 took some of the shine off it but I'll still watch it.

 

[hsm2448]

He came in overweight for the jmm fight. Because of the long lay off it is possible.

he probably did that on purpose

 

[P03t]

At least you can see how it can be viewed as cheating. Both of the fighters agreed to the catchweight. Which was dumb as hell for jmm. He was not going to be affective at all. It wasnt dumb for PBF if he cared enough to be professional. If 144 was to low then he should hav fough a 147 champ. That coming in overweight really rubs me th wrong way. Actually that is the only thing he has done that irks me. The boring fighting sfyles and avoiding certain challenges are just pbf being pbf.

I agree he should have made the fight at 147 then....but JMM was already bloated up at 144 he would have been even slower IMO....

next when it comes to Boxing cats always looking for an advantage....with all these weight classes how many bigger fighters are cutting crazy weight to dominate smaller weight classes....?