Get over The Fact That Obama is Black

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"OBAMA-THE PRICE OF BEING BLACK"- Important Article


The article below written by Andrew Hacker whose work I've been reading for more than two decades, reminds us with a 'clarion call' of the 'land mines' & caveats that the Barack Obama must overcome to become the next President of the United States. The article provides a trenchant & illuminating analysis of factors that one hopes the Obama campaign is aware of. The 'corporate media of mass distraction' will not cover the issues that Hacker raises. The article is 3,400 words, it is the best article I've read in the last month, about the dynamics of the too-long presidential campaign. QueEx, VegasGuy, eewwll and the rest of you peeps that read long-form non-fiction, read this article and post your thoughts.



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[QueEx]

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[QueEx]

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[drxmd]

Thats right, he is black, does that change the fact that he is in step with the globalist agenda? Wake up people. Did he offer to repel the Patriot Act? Remember he also voted for FISA which will greatly increase surveillance on Americans. He is not different, do not be fooled by the skin tone. On the surface this is significant. A deeper analysis clearly indicates that we will continue to lose Constitutional rights. This ultimately changes nothing. Look past the exterior research him just like we should everyone else. Please read http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-global-tax-proposal-up-for-senate-vote/.........and remember thats your money!

 

[sheeit]

Dont forget he's half WHITE

 

[Race Harley]

There will be more than enough time to criticize every little thing he does as the nation's highest-ranking official. At least for the next 70 plus days until he's sworn into office, can we, as people of color bask in the fact that he's been voted our President? Put a lid on the crab barrel until Jan 20, 2009, if you can. We may not see this again for a while.

 

[drxmd]

There will be more than enough time to criticize every little thing he does as the nation's highest-ranking official. At least for the next 70 plus days until he's sworn into office, can we, as people of color bask in the fact that he's been voted our President? Put a lid on the crab barrel until Jan 20, 2009, if you can. We may not see this again for a while.

I will analyze him like any other person. This is what I am referring to. Treating him different and not analyzing that he is another cog in the wheel to reduce your Constitutional rights. What you are telling me and others is that "the bullet is so far away we will deal with its lethality later,for now lets just look at the shiny glistening surface." I refuse.

 

[Race Harley]

I will analyze him like any other person. This is what I am referring to. Treating him different and not analyzing that he is another cog in the wheel to reduce your Constitutional rights. What you are telling me and others is that "the bullet is so far away we will deal with its lethality later,for now lets just look at the shiny glistening surface." I refuse.

So, you're analyzing what he's done as a senator so far or what you believe he would do after Jan 20? Until then, there's not much he's going to do other than put together his cabinet. He'll make no Presidential decisions until after he's sworn in, probably won't tell you anything different of his plans other than what's been said on the campaign trail, and as a senator, he's going to ride out the next few months, so what's the rush to judgment?

 

[drxmd]

So, you're analyzing what he's done as a senator so far or what you believe he would do after Jan 20? Until then, there's not much he's going to do other than put together his cabinet. He'll make no Presidential decisions until after he's sworn in, probably won't tell you anything different of his plans other than what's been said on the campaign trail, and as a senator, he's going to ride out the next few months, so what's the rush to judgment?

I think we may be debating about two different things. Persons whom are involved with These New world Order organizations, don't start when they become president, it continues as president. He is already involved. He is already a "member". His time spent as a senator should be further evidence of his intentions. Did you read the article about the Global Poverty Tax? Do you agree with the Patriot Act? Do you like government surveillance on its citizens with no probable cause? Should we have Combat Brigades assigned to The "homeland" for domestic disturbances? Should we have bailed out Wall street at our expense? Should we have a National I.D.? This is what he has passively agreed to, I don't. This is what George Bush agreed with and I didn't. All I am asking is for people to read and research. Our rights will further erode just like they have with every other president in our country.

 

[Suicide]

Thats right, he is black, does that change the fact that he is in step with the globalist agenda? Wake up people. Did he offer to repel the Patriot Act? Remember he also voted for FISA which will greatly increase surveillance on Americans. He is not different, do not be fooled by the skin tone. On the surface this is significant. A deeper analysis clearly indicates that we will continue to lose Constitutional rights. This ultimately changes nothing. Look past the exterior research him just like we should everyone else. Please read http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-global-tax-proposal-up-for-senate-vote/.........and remember thats your money!

So.........A McCain/Palin White House would bring about change for the better?.........Dude, take your meds......CAUSE THE CELEBRATION AIN'T OVER!!

We finally have before us a president that we relate to, a president that fought for civil rights and a brother that is educated yet deeply rooted in the black community.

 

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[Suicide]

 

[drxmd]

So.........A McCain/Palin White House would bring about change for the better?.........Dude, take your meds......CAUSE THE CELEBRATION AIN'T OVER!!

I didn't vote for Mccain. This is what I am worried about. African Americans are happy that Obama was elected, and I am not debating the significance on the surface. However, we cannot act like white people did with George Bush and be blinded by someone who looks and talks like us. We must think.Thinking requires a deeper analysis of his agenda.
The cards are always stacked. I believe all of the candidates except for Ron Paul have a New World Order Agenda. Its funny how "people" celebrate and party, while others "think" and take your money,your rights and your life. Do you want a global poverty tax? Do you want less Constitutional rights? Do you want government to continue to bail out failing businesses at your expense?

 

[QueEx]

Thats right, he is black, does that change the fact that he is in step with the globalist agenda? Wake up people. Did he offer to repel the Patriot Act? Remember he also voted for FISA which will greatly increase surveillance on Americans. He is not different, do not be fooled by the skin tone. On the surface this is significant. A deeper analysis clearly indicates that we will continue to lose Constitutional rights. This ultimately changes nothing. Look past the exterior research him just like we should everyone else. Please read http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-global-tax-proposal-up-for-senate-vote/.........and remember thats your money!

Don't YOU forget to take YOUR own advice. The man hasn't been sworn in yet and the naysayers are throwing bricks, already. I don't know who has been faster at the "see how fast we can undermine him" draw, you or Rush?

QueEx

 

[drxmd]

Don't YOU forget to take YOUR own advice. The man hasn't been sworn in yet and the naysayers are throwing bricks, already. I don't know who has been faster at the "see how fast we can undermine him" draw, you or Rush?

QueEx

Has anyone debated this on the topics that I keep bringing up? Everyone who has responded has not addressed the issues. Just poor attempts to insult me. No offense, I don't know you or Rush. Debate the issues. This is the political forum right?

 

[Runnin_It]

Obama's statement on the Senate floor regarding the Patriot Act. He probably WILL act to change it; he was not happy with the bill passage.

It makes no sense to criticize him before he actually takes office. That's like mofos at your new job criticizing you before you even start.

I know most ninjas won't read the whole thing. Reading hurts their brains.


Floor Statement of Senator Barack Obama on S.2271 - USA PATRIOT Act Reauthorization
Thursday, February 16, 2006

Mr. President, four years ago, following one of the most devastating attacks in our nation's history, Congress passed the USA PATRIOT Act to give our nation's law enforcement the tools they needed to track down terrorists who plot and lurk within our own borders and all over the world - terrorists who, right now, are looking to exploit weaknesses in our laws and our security to carry out even deadlier attacks than we saw on September 11th.

We all agreed that we needed legislation to make it harder for suspected terrorists to go undetected in this country. Americans everywhere wanted that.

But soon after the PATRIOT Act passed, a few years before I ever arrived in the Senate, I began hearing concerns from people of every background and political leaning that this law didn't just provide law enforcement the powers it needed to keep us safe, but powers it didn't need to invade our privacy without cause or suspicion.

Now, at times this issue has tended to degenerate into an "either-or" type of debate. Either we protect our people from terror or we protect our most cherished principles. But that is a false choice. It asks too little of us and assumes too little about America.

Fortunately, last year, the Senate recognized that this was a false choice. We put patriotism before partisanship and engaged in a real, open, and substantive debate about how to fix the PATRIOT Act. And Republicans and Democrats came together to propose sensible improvements to the Act. Unfortunately, the House was resistant to these changes, and that's why we're voting on the compromise before us.

Let me be clear: this compromise is not as good as the Senate version of the bill, nor is it as good as the SAFE Act that I have cosponsored. I suspect the vast majority of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle feel the same way. But, it's still better than what the House originally proposed.

This compromise does modestly improve the PATRIOT Act by strengthening civil liberties protections without sacrificing the tools that law enforcement needs to keep us safe. In this compromise:


* We strengthened judicial review of both National Security Letters, the administrative subpoenas used by the FBI, and Section 215 orders, which can be used to obtain medical, financial and other personal records.

* We established hard time limits on sneak-and-peak searches and limits on roving wiretaps.

* We protected most libraries from being subject to National Security Letters.

* We preserved an individual's right to seek counsel and hire an attorney without fearing the FBI's wrath.

* And we allowed judicial review of the gag orders that accompany Section 215 searches.

The compromise is far from perfect. I would have liked to see stronger judicial review of National Security Letters and shorter time limits on sneak and peak searches, among other things.

Sen. Feingold has proposed several sensible amendments - that I support - to address these issues. Unfortunately, the Majority Leader is preventing Sen. Feingold from offering these amendments through procedural tactics. That is regrettable because it flies in the face of the bipartisan cooperation that allowed the Senate to pass unanimously its version of the Patriot Act - a version that balanced security and civil liberties, partisanship and patriotism.

The Majority Leader's tactics are even more troubling because we will need to work on a bipartisan basis to address national security challenges in the weeks and months to come. In particular, members on both sides of the aisle will need to take a careful look at President Bush's use of warrantless wiretaps and determine the right balance between protecting our security and safeguarding our civil liberties. This is a complex issue. But only by working together and avoiding election-year politicking will we be able to give our government the necessary tools to wage the war on terror without sacrificing the rule of law.

So, I will be supporting the Patriot Act compromise. But I urge my colleagues to continue working on ways to improve the civil liberties protections in the Patriot Act after it is reauthorized.

I thank the chair and yield the floor.

 

[QueEx]

Has anyone debated this on the topics that I keep bringing up?

What topics are you trying to get discussed ???

Everyone who has responded has not addressed the issues.

Which issues have they not addressed? Your views of Barack Obama; or the right-wing nutcase views of Accuracy in Media ("AIM") ???

Just poor attempts to insult me.

Stop trying to play the victim. No one insulted you, unless however, you are insulted by being told to follow your own advice: "do not be fooled . . . [perform] A deeper analysis . . . Look past the exterior . . . research him just like we should everyone else."

Without pointing us to some right-wing nutcase website, tell us:

- what are your views; and

- What issues you want to debate.​

QueEx

 

[QueEx]

<font size="3">P.S.</font size>

The title of this thread, "Get over The Fact That Obama is Black" is presumptive and assumes facts you have not first established. If you want to debate something, how about first laying the predicate or foundation.

QueEx

 

[Blu Diablo]

To add on to what QueEx has stated, you also have acknowledged a bias as you "believe all of the candidates except for Ron Paul have a New World Order Agenda."

I don't think we should be any more or less critical of Pres. Obama than we were of any other Pres. but would you have been willing to say the same if Ron Paul had won?

 

[nick177th]

I will analyze him like any other person. This is what I am referring to. Treating him different and not analyzing that he is another cog in the wheel to reduce your Constitutional rights. What you are telling me and others is that "the bullet is so far away we will deal with its lethality later,for now lets just look at the shiny glistening surface." I refuse.

I try to stay away from commenting on sentiments like this but, you goin' over board a little here. If I may, let me ask you this. Mccain would have changed what? time's up. NOTHING! Let's be realistic here. You only had two choices. Obama or McCain. Yeah, you could've voted for Ron Barr or Ralph Nader but, let's be honest. a vote for one of those two would've simply been a vote of symbolism.

We ALL have to make a change to change the direction this country was going in. ALL of us. I am personally amazed that white folks said "you know what? let's give this guy a chance". People around the world look differently at America this morning because of what happened on Tuesday.

If all you see is gloom and doom, go live in the woods or somethin'. Or better yet, you can go live in that other country on the North American continent. Alaska.

I have been around (lived longer) than most that frequent this board. and I can say unequivocally(sp) that I have never seen the world celebrate the outcome of an election like they did this one.

Can the guy even step in the oval office before you start shredding him? Jeez!

 

[drxmd]

Thanks that is what I was looking for. My position is this. Obama is apart of the same global agenda as Bush, Clinton, and Bush Sr. I do not want African Americans to become so caught up in the history making event that we lose sight of a bigger picture which is our freedoms. Does anyone think that he is somehow independent from the same global machinery that is always discussed on this board? Did he propose a Global Poverty Tax?http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-2433 Did he vote for FISA?http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/obamas-fisa-shi.html In reference to the Patriot Act, the previous thread provides a valid point against some of the points I raised. I think that Mccain would have placed us into another war cycle. Obama will place us into a heal the world cycle. Two sides of the same coin. Spending money that isn't even there.

P.S - The title of this thread is just "advertisement"

 

[rNubb]

I celebrate the fact that my black brother, Obama, realized his goal with my individual contribution to his efforts.

Still, I realize that Obama is not that much different than Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson or Kennedy.

You don't get into the YT power club if you are not going to play by the rules.

Obama is like every other brother that joined an exclusive whites only club.

He won't change the club. If anything, the club is going to change him.

And we don't have to wait until he is sworn in to see where his head is at. Let's see what his white house staff and cabinet looks like in the coming weeks.

Bush, the white conservative republican, had 2 black secs of state and 1 black national security directors.

Let's just see if there will be any high ranking brothers and sisters in the Obama administration.

Because the first job offer was to a Jew. Richardson's name is being tossed around.

Just alert me when that first brother or sister gets a job offer.

 

[nick177th]

Thanks that is what I was looking for. My position is this. Obama is apart of the same global agenda as Bush, Clinton, and Bush Sr. I do not want African Americans to become so caught up in the history making event that we lose sight of a bigger picture which is our freedoms. Does anyone think that he is somehow independent from the same global machinery that is always discussed on this board? Did he propose a Global Poverty Tax?http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-2433 Did he vote for FISA?http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/obamas-fisa-shi.html In reference to the Patriot Act, the previous thread provides a valid point against some of the points I raised. I think that Mccain would have placed us into another war cycle. Obama will place us into a heal the world cycle. Two sides of the same coin. Spending money that isn't even there.

P.S - The title of this thread is just "advertisement"

I will say this to you. Sen. Obama ran the best and most efficient grass roots campaign in history. He goes into office obliged to no one. The notion that he is beholding to, say for instance, Exxon because someone from Exxon made a campaign contribution is insane. That is to say, EVERYBODY works for somebody. Is he obliged to the NRA because someone that works for the NRA may have secretly slipped a dollar or two his way through a internet contribution? Of course not.

to answer your statement about spending money that isn't there, the world runs on credit. It got waaaaay out of hand under Bush 2. he had no choice if he was going to carry out his agenda. there was no other way to finance two wars and to pump unspeakable amounts of money into the Iraqi economy. The only way to bring money in right now is to spend money.
The financial infrastructure of the country is ruined right now. This country has lost 1.2 million jobs this year alone.

I'm not an economist but, I would venture to say that that is a significant tax revenue loss for the government. You have to spend money to make money. any business man will tell you that. Rich people just don't want it to be THEIR money. "Trikcle down" doesn't work. You've seen that through the Reagan years and all three Bush terms. "From the bottom up" has no choice BUT to work. People on the bottom have to spend money to acquire goods and services. Money HAS to go "up" to people that provide those goods and services. You learn that in Macro econimics. It's simple.

What kills me about "average" Americans is that they are so fuckin' arrogant. They think that America is somehow "entitled" to be on top by virtue of simply being American. When you teach another country the mechanics of capitalism, don't you think that they are going to try to "capitalize" on it? We pimped Arab countries for decades. When they figured out how to pimp us, they did. And we have a nerve to be mad at them. Hell, WE taught 'em.

 

[nick177th]

To the OP. No offense but, I think you on some other shit with that "new world order" thing. I was kinda gettin' that feelin from you but, after reading a couple of your posts, it confirms it to me. Man, you may definitely have to go and live in the woods or something until the nuclear holocaust subsides. In my opinion, Obama is trying to bring our standing in the world back to prominence.

People looked at us as a joke over the last eight years. They look at us like we elected an idiot into office. I'm not going to go that far but, he is definitely the worst President in my lifetime. And I've been around since Eisenhower was President.

America was built on the notion (or false notion. It's according to how you look at it) of "reach back and help the guy behind you". Not "get what you can and fuck everybody else". That Karl Rove style of politicking fucked this country up. I'm glad we're getting past that bullshit.

 

[QueEx]

. . . Obama is not that much different than Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson or Kennedy.

Each of those are white but you don't think there's that "^" much difference between them ???

QueEx

 

[QueEx]

My position is this. Obama is apart of the same global agenda as Bush, Clinton, and Bush Sr.

How so? That is, what facts drive you to that conclusion ???

QueEx

 

[oneofmany]

If Obama's presidency leaves behind a pro-Israel, pro-globalist, pro-NAFTA, pro-NAU, pro-banker (bail-outs, consolidation), pro-confrontation (pressure on Russia/China), pro-surveillance society (cameras, spy/social groups, national ID), and anti-civil liberties legacy, then I would be opposed to it equally as much as I disliked these said activities under the Bush administration. That's why I'm rooting for Obama to represent good change. Because if he winds up embodying some of the same elements we hated from Bush, it would simply be a man 100 times smarter, more polished and organized doing the same thing this time around. And for a while, some people wouldn't see it or would actually go along with it, before a breaking point it hits when people say, "Enough is enough."

So go Obama. And be the change you said you were, by stepping away from what your predecessors did.

 

[hocjo2626]

[Runnin_It]Obama's statement on the Senate floor regarding the Patriot Act. He probably WILL act to change it; he was not happy with the bill passage.

"It makes no sense to criticize him before he actually takes office. That's like mofos at your new job criticizing you before you even start."


EXACTLY!!!!!!.............THREAD CLOSED.

 

[Cruise]

If Obama's presidency leaves behind a pro-Israel, pro-globalist, pro-NAFTA, pro-NAU, pro-banker (bail-outs, consolidation), pro-confrontation (pressure on Russia/China), pro-surveillance society (cameras, spy/social groups, national ID), and anti-civil liberties legacy, then I would be opposed to it equally as much as I disliked these said activities under the Bush administration. That's why I'm rooting for Obama to represent good change. Because if he winds up embodying some of the same elements we hated from Bush, it would simply be a man 100 times smarter, more polished and organized doing the same thing this time around. And for a while, some people wouldn't see it or would actually go along with it, before a breaking point it hits when people say, "Enough is enough."

I just had to quote this.

You made an interesting point about how much Bush advanced the globalist/NWO/banker agenda, and many thought he was a mental lightweight.

The Republicans advanced the agenda for 8 years and turned the country against them. So, you simply switch to the Democrats so they can advance the agenda further.

Meanwhile, people have this illusion of choice and believe something has changed, when it's really just more of the same.

 

[drxmd]

How so? That is, what facts drive you to that conclusion ???

QueEx

The proof is in his ascendancy to President -elect. What modern president do you know of who was not involved with the "agenda"? How can Obama be any different? Explain that to me.

 

[KILLER]

How so? That is, what facts drive you to that conclusion ???

QueEx

This was the most retarded statement Ever Posted.Period.

you don't know any shit about Politics whatsoever.

Listen up *******:

All and Each one of the Politicians,whether are Republicans or Democrats follow an AGENDA.(previously written by their Masters)Period.

btw: If you don't know Who are their Masters You are doubly Retarded!

Kudos to drxmd.

 

[destrehan]

you wastin your time on here telling these cats that obama is like the rest of his predecessors. i have lost alot of my so called credibility on here because of saying the same thing you are on the main board. i give up.

 

[owl]

A change that we can believe in....

The moral strength that the now president-elect infused me with, on that glitch of a day this week, is a change, and I can believe in it eternally...I will never be the same...

Will he live up to the promise...it is up to us...he showed us how the impossible could be accomplished. How an african-american could get a black family into the white house. How a humble intellectual man could defeat the incumbent party without resorting to their tactics. And be slandered on all fronts...

No, Obama will get same treatment of criticism from me that I gave him before he caused me to realize that my thinking was extremely limited with regard to what I could accomplish with this god forsaken life of mine. The new charge is how do I help him in the same way he has helped me. How do we? It is so much bigger now...

And you are reading the words of a man who has no problem with telling his president-elect to go fuck himself, while I fuck his wife...but these days, these days where I cry in joy, (damn, what can't we do?),... I would rather tell him thank you, while he hugs my son...while my son hugs OUR black president...my god, are you ******s paying attention?

The agenda of the black persons in america is now to make sure OUR future president sticks to OUR script...ONE NATION FOR THE PEOPLE....while we make black president after black president...are ya'll sleeping or just blind? There is nothing we can't do...nothing...

Have you been on change.gov yet? Find a policy, make it your resolve, handle your business, and make sure the mutt sticks to his promise...

...what more has your "government" ever given you? Hurry up, the window is barely opened...


RA/ALLAH bless our ignorant slumbering souls....

 

[vjhillsr]

Ya got that

 

[nick177th]

A change that we can believe in....

The moral strength that the now president-elect infused me with, on that glitch of a day this week, is a change, and I can believe in it eternally...I will never be the same...

Will he live up to the promise...it is up to us...he showed us how the impossible could be accomplished. How an african-american could get a black family into the white house. How a humble intellectual man could defeat the incumbent party without resorting to their tactics. And be slandered on all fronts...

No, Obama will get same treatment of criticism from me that I gave him before he caused me to realize that my thinking was extremely limited with regard to what I could accomplish with this god forsaken life of mine. The new charge is how do I help him in the same way he has helped me. How do we? It is so much bigger now...

And you are reading the words of a man who has no problem with telling his president-elect to go fuck himself, while I fuck his wife...but these days, these days where I cry in joy, (damn, what can't we do?),... I would rather tell him thank you, while he hugs my son...while my son hugs OUR black president...my god, are you ******s paying attention?

The agenda of the black persons in america is now to make sure OUR future president sticks to OUR script...ONE NATION FOR THE PEOPLE....while we make black president after black president...are ya'll sleeping or just blind? There is nothing we can't do...nothing...

Have you been on change.gov yet? Find a policy, make it your resolve, handle your business, and make sure the mutt sticks to his promise...

...what more has your "government" ever given you? Hurry up, the window is barely opened...


RA/ALLAH bless our ignorant slumbering souls....

I feel you. Obama didn't promise any "pie in the sky BS". He promised to change the gov't. All I want him to do is change the tone of things. I can make my own money. I don't need any help in that dept. That "us against them" stuff has to stop. It was really gratifying to me to see that white folks were willing to at least give the guy a chance.

I say that because it seemed to me that they were willing to continue to let the country crumble rather than vote for a Black man. They proved me wrong. Americans have to realize that the world has changed. And we have to change with it.