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George Karl book addresses issues with Melo
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Fuck carl but also fuck melo. He's the most overrated so called superstar of all time
... if Dumas had drafted Melo with that squad of Billups, Hamilton, Prince and those Wallace Boys, Melo would have a ring or 2.
True
He took the Sonics to the finals in 1996
I know this is antagonistic but some people don't like criticism even in sports fandom.
Karl deserves bad fortune for speaking in the father situation. No doubt.
But as a retired coach he can dish how he pleases.
Karl deserves bad fortune for speaking in the father situation. No doubt.
But as a retired coach he can dish how he pleases.
Lol smh
His career is very Don Nelsonish
Nelson is better but just a bunch of wins not much else
Least all Nelsons players liked him
Melo is alex Rodriguez without the championship ring
Pretty much. And he has for the most part been a model NBA citizen. No drugs/guns/crazy baby mamas. He's like the opposite of Gilbert Arenas.
Kenyon Martin slow roasting his ass on Twitter
The nerve of this CAC
The nerve of this CAC
Karl also criticized J.R. Smith’s maturity and “posse,” a word that angered LeBron James when Phil Jackson used it in reference to him. Smith was not amused.
http://www.sbnation.com/2016/12/22/...melo-anthony-relationship-book-nuggets-knicks
I want to hear want Kemp and Payton got to say...
I just love it,how this CAC just ignore that Melo's dad died when he was two years old.
It's funny,how George Karl had problem with every star,he had.....
It's funny,how George Karl had problem with every star,he had.....
So where all those BLACK people caping Phil when he used the word POSSE huh?..
Cause it seems it was coach speak for a bunch of n*****
George Karl scolds Carmelo Anthony's 'attitude' and J.R. Smith's 'posse' in new book
Former NBA coach George Karl, who ranks fifth in career victories (1,175) and seventh all-time in losses (824), has a book coming out in January, which is unfortunate timing for the holiday season, but its impending release means we’re treated to the juiciest of nuggets as hype. Or should we say Nuggets?
The New York Post obtained a copy of Karl’s book, “Furious George,” which is convenient, since three current and former New York Knicks, all of whom Karl coached on the Denver Nuggets, appear to be the target of the 65-year-old’s ferocity. And Carmelo Anthony seems to take the brunt of Karl’s ire.
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We can’t be certain how kind Karl was to Anthony. According to the New York Post, he called Melo “the best offensive player I ever coached,” with enough talent to also “become the best defender at his position in the NBA.” The niceties seemingly stopped there. Here’s more from Karl’s book via the Post:
“Carmelo was a true conundrum for me in the six years I had him. He was the best offensive player I ever coached. He was also a user of people, addicted to the spotlight and very unhappy when he had to share it.
“He really lit my fuse with his low demand of himself on defense. He had no commitment to the hard, dirty work of stopping the other guy. My ideal — probably every coach’s ideal — is when your best player is also your leader. But since Carmelo only played hard on one side of the ball, he made it plain he couldn’t lead the Nuggets, even though he said he wanted to. Coaching him meant working around his defense and compensating for his attitude.”
[…]
“I want as much effort on defense — maybe more — as on offense. That was never going to happen with Melo, whose amazing ability to score with the ball made him a star but didn’t make him a winner. Which I pointed out to him. Which he didn’t like.”
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Much of this is not new. After Denver traded Anthony and Chauncey Billups to the Knicks for Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Timofey Mozgov, Raymond Felton and multiple picks — a deal likened to the “sweet release” of “popping a blister” in the book — Karl told NBA on TNT in February 2011, “Melo is the best offensive player I’ve ever coached, but his defensive focus, his demand of himself is what frustrated us more than anything.” To which Anthony responded, “That’s him. That’s George Karl.”
Even after six years of constantly discussing Anthony’s defensive liability and lack of team success in New York, it’s still jarring to hear this comment about the perennial All-Star from his former coach: “He was also a user of people, addicted to the spotlight and very unhappy when he had to share it.”
And Karl didn’t stop there, according to the Post.
He described Anthony, Kenyon Martin and J.R. Smith — who all played for Karl in Denver and later got together on the Knicks — as “AAU babies” like the sort of “spoiled brats you see in junior golf and junior tennis.” Karl reportedly blamed the behavior of Anthony and Martin on their absent fathers — “Kenyon and Carmelo carried two big burdens: all that money and no father to show them how to act like a man” — while simultaneously blaming Smith’s actions on an overbearing father who “urged his son to shoot the ball and keep shooting it from the very moment I put him in the game.”
Anthony lost his dad to cancer at age 2, and Martin started a foundation to help serve families without father figures. On top of that, Carmelo had the whole dad thing down pretty good this week:
And then there was this: Karl said Smith had “a huge sense of entitlement, a distracting posse, his eye always on the next contract and some really unbelievable shot selection,” according to the Post. The “posse” comment obviously raised eyebrows after Knicks president Phil Jackson’s similar remarks about Smith’s current Cleveland Cavaliers teammate, LeBron James, ignited a race-fueled firestorm.
Let’s just say not everybody agrees with Karl on everything:
Karl’s biting commentary may come as no surprise, and much of what he said in these excerpts addresses subjects that have been discussed in great detail, so you wonder if and how he will address them further throughout the book. It’s a shame, then, someone won’t be gifting it in my stocking, because what we just learned from this excerpt sure doesn’t seem worth the price of admission.
Cause it seems it was coach speak for a bunch of n*****
George Karl scolds Carmelo Anthony's 'attitude' and J.R. Smith's 'posse' in new book
Former NBA coach George Karl, who ranks fifth in career victories (1,175) and seventh all-time in losses (824), has a book coming out in January, which is unfortunate timing for the holiday season, but its impending release means we’re treated to the juiciest of nuggets as hype. Or should we say Nuggets?
The New York Post obtained a copy of Karl’s book, “Furious George,” which is convenient, since three current and former New York Knicks, all of whom Karl coached on the Denver Nuggets, appear to be the target of the 65-year-old’s ferocity. And Carmelo Anthony seems to take the brunt of Karl’s ire.
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We can’t be certain how kind Karl was to Anthony. According to the New York Post, he called Melo “the best offensive player I ever coached,” with enough talent to also “become the best defender at his position in the NBA.” The niceties seemingly stopped there. Here’s more from Karl’s book via the Post:
“Carmelo was a true conundrum for me in the six years I had him. He was the best offensive player I ever coached. He was also a user of people, addicted to the spotlight and very unhappy when he had to share it.
“He really lit my fuse with his low demand of himself on defense. He had no commitment to the hard, dirty work of stopping the other guy. My ideal — probably every coach’s ideal — is when your best player is also your leader. But since Carmelo only played hard on one side of the ball, he made it plain he couldn’t lead the Nuggets, even though he said he wanted to. Coaching him meant working around his defense and compensating for his attitude.”
[…]
“I want as much effort on defense — maybe more — as on offense. That was never going to happen with Melo, whose amazing ability to score with the ball made him a star but didn’t make him a winner. Which I pointed out to him. Which he didn’t like.”
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Much of this is not new. After Denver traded Anthony and Chauncey Billups to the Knicks for Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Timofey Mozgov, Raymond Felton and multiple picks — a deal likened to the “sweet release” of “popping a blister” in the book — Karl told NBA on TNT in February 2011, “Melo is the best offensive player I’ve ever coached, but his defensive focus, his demand of himself is what frustrated us more than anything.” To which Anthony responded, “That’s him. That’s George Karl.”
Even after six years of constantly discussing Anthony’s defensive liability and lack of team success in New York, it’s still jarring to hear this comment about the perennial All-Star from his former coach: “He was also a user of people, addicted to the spotlight and very unhappy when he had to share it.”
And Karl didn’t stop there, according to the Post.
He described Anthony, Kenyon Martin and J.R. Smith — who all played for Karl in Denver and later got together on the Knicks — as “AAU babies” like the sort of “spoiled brats you see in junior golf and junior tennis.” Karl reportedly blamed the behavior of Anthony and Martin on their absent fathers — “Kenyon and Carmelo carried two big burdens: all that money and no father to show them how to act like a man” — while simultaneously blaming Smith’s actions on an overbearing father who “urged his son to shoot the ball and keep shooting it from the very moment I put him in the game.”
Anthony lost his dad to cancer at age 2, and Martin started a foundation to help serve families without father figures. On top of that, Carmelo had the whole dad thing down pretty good this week:
And then there was this: Karl said Smith had “a huge sense of entitlement, a distracting posse, his eye always on the next contract and some really unbelievable shot selection,” according to the Post. The “posse” comment obviously raised eyebrows after Knicks president Phil Jackson’s similar remarks about Smith’s current Cleveland Cavaliers teammate, LeBron James, ignited a race-fueled firestorm.
Let’s just say not everybody agrees with Karl on everything:
Karl’s biting commentary may come as no surprise, and much of what he said in these excerpts addresses subjects that have been discussed in great detail, so you wonder if and how he will address them further throughout the book. It’s a shame, then, someone won’t be gifting it in my stocking, because what we just learned from this excerpt sure doesn’t seem worth the price of admission.
I hope nobody defends JR and the posse shit though
It's the wrong move to make
JR was/is a blood and was prominently displaying it when he first came in the league
Him in comparison to Lebron's friends are totally different
Everyone knows JR was fuckin with the wrong people early in his career
It's the wrong move to make
JR was/is a blood and was prominently displaying it when he first came in the league
Him in comparison to Lebron's friends are totally different
Everyone knows JR was fuckin with the wrong people early in his career
So in 10 years were going to be watching 2 little Brons 1 little melo and 2 wades crazy
just heard Karl really destroyed Ray Allen in this book too.
This guy. He must want attention.
USA team member Ray Allen admitted he "started despising" coach George Karl in Milwaukee before Allen was traded to Seattle from the Bucks.
"George, when he first came to Milwaukee, he was every bit a players' coach. He listened, he responded to things we needed, things we wanted and everyone wanted to play hard for him," Allen said of Karl, who was fired last month.
"If we were tired, he made us work harder. If we needed a day off, he made us practice. It always seemed like when something went wrong he'd bash us in the papers . . . I started despising him . . . I got tired of that after a while, and my hatred started growing."
http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...mits-he-"started-despising"-coach-George-Karl
"George, when he first came to Milwaukee, he was every bit a players' coach. He listened, he responded to things we needed, things we wanted and everyone wanted to play hard for him," Allen said of Karl, who was fired last month.
"If we were tired, he made us work harder. If we needed a day off, he made us practice. It always seemed like when something went wrong he'd bash us in the papers . . . I started despising him . . . I got tired of that after a while, and my hatred started growing."
http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...mits-he-"started-despising"-coach-George-Karl
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...passages-removed-george-karl-forthcoming-book
George Karl's time with the Sacramento Kings has been documented in the longtime NBA coach's forthcoming book, but there have been passages critical of various aspects that have been removed from the final version of his book, according to league sources.
Karl's book, co-authored by Curt Sampson, included some unflattering views in a proof copy obtained by ESPN.com about Kings star DeMarcus Cousins, general manager Vlade Divac and owner Vivek Ranadive. But sources say Karl's views were stricken from the version scheduled for public distribution next month.
Karl told ESPN on Saturday that he had "not authorized" those pages to be included in the book, which is titled "Furious George."
Karl was ousted as Kings coach at the conclusion of the 2015-16 season after only 112 games and 14 months in charge. He posted a 44-68 record in Sacramento and departed with $6.5 million in guaranteed salary remaining on his original four-year contract, which was struck during the 2015 All-Star break.
Sources told ESPN.com that refraining from critical commentary of the Kings was part of Karl's settlement agreement upon leaving the club. When Karl was dismissed last April, both he and Divac issued complimentary statements about the 65-year-old's time there.
In the epilogue of the book's proof copy, Karl shared candid views on Cousins and detailed his near-firing by the Kings in February 2016.
In November, ESPN.com secured permission from publisher Harper Collins' publicity arm to run a brief excerpt in which Karl recounted shaking hands with Kings forward Rudy Gay upon arriving in Sacramento in February 2015. "Welcome to basketball hell," Gay said at the time, according to Karl.
But neither the epilogue nor the exchange with Gay appears in a review copy of the hardbound book that has been distributed to selected media members this month.
Attempts to reach Harper Collins on this holiday weekend were not immediately successful.
The New York Post published passages from the book earlier this week in which Karl was highly critical of his former Denver Nuggets stalwarts Carmelo
Karl referred to his time coaching Anthony as a "true conundrum," among other criticisms. Of Anthony and Martin, Karl also wrote they were negatively affected by not having fathers in their lives, which elicited a strongly worded rebuke in response from Martin, who chided the veteran coach. Karl has refused to comment about his criticism of Anthony in the book or the backlash he has received for it.
Karl coached Anthony from January 2005 to February 2011, when Anthony's demand for a trade landed him in New York in a deal with the Knicks. In the book, Karl describes the trade as "a sweet release for the coach and the [Nuggets], like popping a blister."
Once Karl was fired by the Nuggets after the 2012-13 season, he served as an ESPN studio analyst for the next year and a half before returning to the sideline with the Kings in February 2015.
He has also coached the Cleveland Cavaliers, Golden State Warriors, Seattle SuperSonics and Milwaukee Bucks. Karl sports a career record of 1,175-824, making him one of just nine coaches in league history to crack the 1,000-win barrier.
George Karl's time with the Sacramento Kings has been documented in the longtime NBA coach's forthcoming book, but there have been passages critical of various aspects that have been removed from the final version of his book, according to league sources.
Karl's book, co-authored by Curt Sampson, included some unflattering views in a proof copy obtained by ESPN.com about Kings star DeMarcus Cousins, general manager Vlade Divac and owner Vivek Ranadive. But sources say Karl's views were stricken from the version scheduled for public distribution next month.
Karl told ESPN on Saturday that he had "not authorized" those pages to be included in the book, which is titled "Furious George."
Karl was ousted as Kings coach at the conclusion of the 2015-16 season after only 112 games and 14 months in charge. He posted a 44-68 record in Sacramento and departed with $6.5 million in guaranteed salary remaining on his original four-year contract, which was struck during the 2015 All-Star break.
Sources told ESPN.com that refraining from critical commentary of the Kings was part of Karl's settlement agreement upon leaving the club. When Karl was dismissed last April, both he and Divac issued complimentary statements about the 65-year-old's time there.
In the epilogue of the book's proof copy, Karl shared candid views on Cousins and detailed his near-firing by the Kings in February 2016.
In November, ESPN.com secured permission from publisher Harper Collins' publicity arm to run a brief excerpt in which Karl recounted shaking hands with Kings forward Rudy Gay upon arriving in Sacramento in February 2015. "Welcome to basketball hell," Gay said at the time, according to Karl.
But neither the epilogue nor the exchange with Gay appears in a review copy of the hardbound book that has been distributed to selected media members this month.
Attempts to reach Harper Collins on this holiday weekend were not immediately successful.
The New York Post published passages from the book earlier this week in which Karl was highly critical of his former Denver Nuggets stalwarts Carmelo
Karl referred to his time coaching Anthony as a "true conundrum," among other criticisms. Of Anthony and Martin, Karl also wrote they were negatively affected by not having fathers in their lives, which elicited a strongly worded rebuke in response from Martin, who chided the veteran coach. Karl has refused to comment about his criticism of Anthony in the book or the backlash he has received for it.
Karl coached Anthony from January 2005 to February 2011, when Anthony's demand for a trade landed him in New York in a deal with the Knicks. In the book, Karl describes the trade as "a sweet release for the coach and the [Nuggets], like popping a blister."
Once Karl was fired by the Nuggets after the 2012-13 season, he served as an ESPN studio analyst for the next year and a half before returning to the sideline with the Kings in February 2015.
He has also coached the Cleveland Cavaliers, Golden State Warriors, Seattle SuperSonics and Milwaukee Bucks. Karl sports a career record of 1,175-824, making him one of just nine coaches in league history to crack the 1,000-win barrier.
Former Seattle SuperSonics coach George Karl, who ran six NBA teams during a tumultuous career that we’re assured is likely over, will release his second memoir soon. The New York Post recently quoted some excerpts from the tome that are hardly shocking to those who followed Karl’s career closely, but no less damaging, needless, and embarrassing for all involved.
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In the book, Karl teed off on former teammates Carmelo Anthony, J.R. Smith, and Kenyon Martin for not only their inability to contribute Tim Duncan-styled two-way production on the court, but (in Martin and Anthony’s case) the crime of having gone through life without a father – allowing Karl to pin this as the top reason for what he saw as continued malfeasance.
Martin and Smith already responded to Karl’s well-publicized shots, while Carmelo Anthony (“I just hope that he finds happiness in what he’s doing. His book, hopefully will bring him happiness.”) took the high road in his reaction. Something tells us that the Christmas holiday weekend did the best work for Karl’s reputation in this regard, as many observers probably won’t feel the need to pile on the former coach as he embraces irrelevance in retirement.
Milwaukee Buck guard Jason Terry never played for Karl, but he is from Seattle, worked against George (in his estimation) “30 or 40 times” during his playing career, and JET remains quite verbose. This is why it’s no surprise that Terry would discuss a pre-NBA conversation he had with the then-SuperSonics coach, after Terry’s sophomore season at college, on Sirius XM recently:
“When I was a sophomore at the University of Arizona, I used to work George Karl’s basketball camp in Seattle. I was at a banquet, George walked up, he approached me, shook my hand and then whispered over to me and said, ‘You’ll never make it to the NBA. You’re never serious. You’re a joke.’ That’s what he told me. Word for word.
“And so I always kept that in the back of my mind, and every time I either faced a George Karl’s team or when I’d see him, I always had a little extra motivation. Yeah, no question. But that’s just George. I mean, if you know George, you know, for better or worse, that’s just him. That’s his personality. And he’s always been like that and I can see why guys had a tough time playing with him or for him.”
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The 18-year veteran went on to say that he presumed Karl drunk at the time of his little observation. It did not sound as if Jason was speaking with tongue placed in cheek when he allowed us that aside.
Terry’s Arizona Wildcats won the NCAA championship in 1997, during Jason’s chicken fingers-fueled sophomore year, with the hybrid guard coming off of the Wildcat bench. He went on to stay all four years at the school, and his NBA career outlasted the professional runs of teammates Mike Bibby, Miles Simon, and Michael Dickerson (whom Karl, according to Terry, also chided).
Drafted into the league in 1999 by the Warriors, Terry was immediately dealt for veteran Mookie Blaylock as the Golden State Warriors looked to make one big veteran-led push behind Antawn Jamison (they would go on to win 19 games), Terry struggled at times during his first few years with a poorly-constructed Atlanta Hawks team, but his savvy and efficient play didn’t go unnoticed.
He would go on to a fabulous career with the Dallas Mavericks, replacing Steve Nash in the team’s backcourt in what could have been a low ebb (the Mavs actually won six more games in 2004-05 with Terry on board during Nash’s MVP season in Phoenix than they did the year before, with Nash around), eventually winning a championship in 2011 with Terry acting as the team’s sixth man.
Terry, who turned 39 in September, has enjoyed a fantastic NBA career – averaging 14.1 points and four assists in 30 minutes a contest. It’s true that he can act like a goofball at times, but he’s remained one of the league’s best-loved goofballs since entering the NBA at the fin de siècle, and there’s a reason why the league is giddy in anticipation for Terry’s next move as he adapts to life outside of the court. His presence will be sought-after, whether he stays on the bench as an assistant coach, moves into the personnel ranks, or joins a broadcast outfit.
The same cannot be said for George Karl, who sustained his uneasy and brusque tone even during his short stint as ESPN commentator following his removal from the Denver Nuggets job in 2013.
Charles Barkley, who repeatedly referred to Karl as one of the league’s best coaches (if not the best coach in the NBA) time and time again on the ‘Inside the NBA’ set for years, properly characterized the league’s disappointment in its former coach on that same set on Thursday:
Following Carmelo Anthony’s lead, we shouldn’t pile on.
The NBA should covet the irascible. It shouldn’t be squeamish in asking questions about what sort of balance and treatment a pro player needs as it enters the NBA following what people like George Karl (or anyone else) either consider to be an unorthodox or orthodox childhood. It should expect the best from its players and demand a modicum of respect from all parties when expectations create loggerheads.
Above all, though, the NBA should be entertaining. The excerpt from George Karl’s new book, and the entirety of his previous book, was far from entertaining. It wasn’t funny, and it wasn’t interesting. If this were a different website, we’d use a stronger word than “cranky” to describe his seemingly perpetually unsatisfied NBA run.
This isn’t the light and cheer we’d expect from a guy that coached nearly 2000 NBA games from 1984 until 2016, winning 1175 along the way. Though we cannot assume his new book is full of unendingly irritable observations, why would anyone (given his career, his previous book, his on-camera work, his time spent dealing with the media) expect otherwise?
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