Gays in Hollywood. what yall think???

There have been quite a few "gay" ass commercials..

The D. Wade/Barkley commercials had some gay shyt.
The subway commercial w/ the brother that's an accountant.

I've been noticing that shyt like WTF is this bullshyt.


They've even got a blatantly gay Levi's commercial now. (2 white dudes tho)

Don't forget last years super bowl commercial with Snickers and those two white boys making out in a auto body garage :smh:


the constant barrage of faggotry is being introduced to America as a whole.
 
did dude imply that will smith and ll cool j fucked quincy jones so they can get their careers?

maaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

there is a gay mafia in hollywood and some of the point he said were true, that ving rhames shit in pulp fiction was disturbing as hell then and still is today...

Tyler perry got power cuz he wore a dress...

black men need to just say no...
 
Were not saying that it never happens to white or Latin actors, that would be ignorant. But what were trying to point out is that these things happen to disproportinately to our Black actors, in Hollywood!

The whole industry is disproportionate so of course every break down will be the same. U expect an actor to act regardless the role as long as it doesn't compromise some something in the individual. But that's up to the individual to decide. Where one actor may not be able to play a rape victim another may not have a problem with it, drug dealer, prisoner, vietnam war vet etc. ; an actor acts, a comedian tells jokes. It's like me saying no black comedian should ever say the word nigg.r again. That's not my call, it's up to the individual. Just my opinion. Chappelle had a point and was like he wasn't doing it, will smith didn't have a problem with it ... neither was wrong artistically. I guess u'd have to be an actor/artist to understand.
 
Niggas That See Gay In Everything Are Closet Homos

Nope sorry, this is what's happening. If you don't analyze and critique the messages being transmitted in commecials, movies, and TV shows then it WILL make you HOMO. There is a gay agenda at work here, shit , all you have to do is watch about 30 min. of MTV to see that. :smh:
 
Nope sorry, this is what's happening. If you don't analyze and critique the messages being transmitted in commecials, movies, and TV shows then it WILL make you HOMO. There is a gay agenda at work here, shit , all you have to do is watch about 30 min. of MTV to see that. :smh:

If commercials, movies, and TV shows can make you Homo....you started out that way...and the media just helped you out the closet.
 
If commercials, movies, and TV shows can make you Homo....you started out that way...and the media just helped you out the closet.

Not really, the mind can be manipulated to do things or instill thoughts, or habits that weren't present in an individual before. I 'm talking mainly about children who are very vulnerable to these influences.
 
Not really, the mind can be manipulated to do things or instill thoughts, or habits that weren't present in an individual before. I 'm talking mainly about children who are very vulnerable to these influences.

Agreed

Dert bagg, subconscious attacks to the consciousness has the ability to alter behavior and create a new one. Lenny brings up a good point about this targeting children.


here is one good example I could find

http://www.mindpowernews.com/SubliminalAds.htm


there is a better source but I forgot where I found it.
 
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Dude was grasping but yeah, there is a gay conspiracy in Hollywood. Check the commentary on jay and Silent Bob strike back. GLAD threatened to have the entire production canned because one of the characters insults another by saying "your so gay". They even had to go so far as to film a scene where the two characters, both female, were kissing so that they could put the film out.

How the fuck can you have an activist group with so much power that they could jeopardize a film worth millions of dollars over a throw away insult that a ten year old might have used? Even the Jewish Anti-defamation league doesn't have that much power.
 
Well it seems like your feeding their gay agenda by posting this thread.
"Gays in Hollywood. what yall think???" :confused: I could care less because I don't watch that gay shit unless It involves lesbians of course.;)
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Agreed

Dert bagg, subconscious attacks to the consciousness has the ability to alter behavior and create a new one. Lenny brings up a good point about this targeting children.

But there is nothing subconcious about this shit. Folks can disagree with the equalizing of homosexuality to heterosexuality in the media, that certainly seems legitimate...but that shit is not happening on any "sub" level; it's been right out there in the open for twenty years. And as far as kids go, its a jungle out there. Stormfront crackas say the same shit about the black agenda in media. Seems to me the price of living a free society that lets you do wtf u want, means having to manage the fact that other folks will too... and that sometimes perspectives that contradict yours will ascend. That dilemma is universal -- not special to this hetero/homo dilemma. Ultimately it means that you gotta raise your kids to be able to deal with whatever "messages" they come across in the world. The burden to me seems at least worth the benefits of our being free to proselytize in kind (at least until 2012 ;))
 
But there is nothing subconcious about this shit. Folks can disagree with the equalizing of homosexuality to heterosexuality in the media, that certainly seems legitimate...but that shit is not happening on any "sub" level; it's been right out there in the open for twenty years. And as far as kids go, its a jungle out there. Stormfront crackas say the same shit about the black agenda in media. Seems to me the price of living a free society that lets you do wtf u want, means having to manage the fact that other folks will too... and that sometimes perspectives that contradict yours will ascend. That dilemma is universal -- not special to this hetero/homo dilemma. Ultimately it means that you gotta raise your kids to be able to deal with whatever "messages" they come across in the world. The burden to me seems at least worth the benefits of our being free to proselytize in kind (at least until 2012 ;))


You have some good points, but I should of been much more clear in describing what point I was trying to make. I'm fully aware that homosexuality has been portrayed vigorously for some time now, but you have to admit that goes along with conditioning.


The more often you see something the more it becomes the norm, does it not? That is entirely a whole other spectrum that wasn't mentioned much in this thread. Now the subliminal advertising that we see in advertising, commercials, and magazines is what I was originally talking about. Now that I think about it was a bit off from the subject matter but hey.


Now the responsibility of the parents to apprehend their children and raise them to the best of their ability is a legitimate argument, but when you take into consideration the black family structure in this country, that is not a good sign.
 
Dude was grasping but yeah, there is a gay conspiracy in Hollywood. Check the commentary on jay and Silent Bob strike back. GLAD threatened to have the entire production canned because one of the characters insults another by saying "your so gay". They even had to go so far as to film a scene where the two characters, both female, were kissing so that they could put the film out.

How the fuck can you have an activist group with so much power that they could jeopardize a film worth millions of dollars over a throw away insult that a ten year old might have used? Even the Jewish Anti-defamation league doesn't have that much power.

It's true that Glaad protested, but you have the series of events all wrong. Glaad complained only after the film was released. (They had no other way of knowing what was in the film.) The gay-girls plotline was shot but didn't make the film. Without the footage showing they were dykes, the "You're so gay" joke lost its irony and seemed like a "gay" = lame, wack, stupid, etc. joke. Glaad always complains about that kind of shit, but it's not like they were on set. Kevin Smith's commentary drew attention to the fact that it wasn't a homophobic joke at all, but an ironic joke about homophobia -- that even gays use "gay" as a friendly diss.

Glaad can bitch and moan, but they have NO such power...
And given the relative pro-queerness of Kevin Smith's films, they should have know better anyway.
 
While it was not forced, Halle DID have a problem with the sex scene. I heard her talk about it on a late-night talk show. After reading the script, she was apprehensive. So she talked it over with her then husband, Eric Benét. His advice was: "Go for it." So while she may have said that she had no problem in some interviews, she obviously did initially.

link please?
 
link please?

Doesn't even matter...
Dude's "story" is that Halle had a reservation about the scene reading the script at home. Shit has nothing to do with the filmmakers. She got the script, then said yes. That shit is as far away from "forced" as Ann Marie Johnson is from thick.
 
Y'all trippin, quite simply, what of y'all conspiracy theorist are wrong. U've considered what if the rest of us are wrong. What if u are. There are umteen billion people in the world which means there is some kind of every kind of person in the world times two. As a people we've forgotten how to live and let live.
 
A lot of people think that Hollywood is just like watching an episode of “Entourage”. Others even see it as nothing but glitz, glamour, parties, and award-shows. But underneath it all, not only Hollywood but the entire entertainment industry as a whole is a very ugly place. Even the show: “E True Hollywood stories is sugar-coated from the dark world that is show business.

Why would one want to gain the whole world, but lose their soul in the process? Bottom line, it aint worth it. :smh:
 
That's crazy though. If you're black and you take a role like that, you get called sellout, fag, etc and people will criticize you.

If you're black and DON'T take a role like that, you will most likely get typecast to death, get called sellout, fag, etc and people will criticize you. :dunno:
 
This shit is the absolute truth and the shit is getting so blatant. Maybe the cat that made the vid is a little bit off, that doesn't mean he's wrong about this. Those of you who doubt this should do one thing: Go to the mall and buy a pair of jeans. It'll open up your eyes.

You go to the mall and what kind of jeans do you see? Skinny legged jeans. It doesn't matter what kind you buy, they legs have been shrunken on every single cut and style. If you've been lifting weights for a few years, you know that you have to switch to a relaxed, loose, or wide legged cut of jeans. The problem is that wide legged jeans of today are the regular jeans of yester year! I have nothing but wide legged jeans and they don't look wide legged. They fit well too. But if I get jeans marked regular, relaxed or loose fit, then they look painted on. It's slowly becoming to where wide legged jeans are almost as bad. I understand that the average american man has massivle underdeveloped legs from not walking much or lifting much weight but it's been that way since the 70's. Maybe it's because the pants are made in 3rd world countries right? You mean countries when men still do lots of physical labor? Doubt it! It's because someone thinks it's nice to walk around with pants so tight that it feels as though your nuts are in a strangle hold.

Not only that, but most of the jeans have a fruity swirl patterns as well. They have really colorful stitching instead of the standard dark yellow or blue that we grew up with. Most of the ones I saw a couple of days ago had shades of red that were borderline pink and pastel purple colors. A lot of them have colorful cartoons and unmasculine sayings stitched onto the thigh of the pants. You remember these, because your sister or cousin had jeans like these in the 80's? Try finding a pair without some odd kind of fade pattern. What kind of man buys faded blue jeans with brown dye marks on the knees and makes the wearer look like he just got done sucking dicks in a dirty barn? It ain't a heterosexual.

This country is being conditioned by the gay mafia. Read a book called "The Marketing of Evil". It has a chapter about this gay rights leader who went on to form the gay mafia. He was in the marketing business and wrote a book on how to condition america to accept homeosexuality as something normal and to be expected. It described how to win sympathy and have the mainstream do their dirty work (ie Isaih Washington). His book came out in the 80's and had one run so it's hard to find but the book in the link has excerpts.

The worst part is that the gay community has been saying for years that you can't influence someone elses sexuality and they're proving otherwise! They used to say "I was just born this way", but they bombard you with images of homsexuality and villify those in the media who won't comply. I was thinking of this as I watched Rambo last night. 1) Why are there no more action heroes? 2) Why does the shit on tv remind of the propaganda used by war criminals to psychologically condition child soldiers?

1) There are no more hypermasculine movie characters anymore. There's less violence and womanizing. Why? To attract more female viewers (action movies are made by and for heterosexual men so it's pointless). Another reason is to attract more gay males. John Rambo might make a gay dude feel bad about his lack of masculinty. James Bond is the most masculine action hero still around and he was the softest of all action heroes in the 80's. That should give you some perspective. Compare Predator to AVP and AVPR. AVP was definitely a mangina fest ad AVPR had good action but it still had soft males in the lead roles. Watch a movie about cops. Back in the 80's a cop would talk to his supervisor near the entrance when another cop brought in a street thug who was resisting arrest. What did the cops do? Throw the thug through the damn door and beat the shit out out of him with his baton with 4 or 5 more cops joining in. Watch "Live Free or Die Hard" and look at how the police station is. All this shit was going on and nobody panicked or rioted! The were sheep!

2) Child soldiers are trained to reject their families, beleive their fathers are monsters, and to never break ranks regardless of what they feel. Now boys are trined to never say no to something they feel is wrong. If a boy says "That's gay" he gets sent to the principle's office for antihomosexual remarks. What if some other kid tried to poke him in the ass with a pencil? How's he supposed to respond? What if the other kid had tried to kiss him? Look at Beenie Sigel at the end of the clip. That other dude had to have a lifetime of conditioning to think it was okay for anothe man to wrap his arm around his neck and get so close that when he turned his head to the left they damn near kissed. Sexual boundaries are some of the first boundaries that a person develops. The gay agenda is breaking that down which is why there are so many thug nigggas. Who's in the club with glitter on his shirt and rhinestones on his bandana? The thug!

Think about it!
 
Meeeeh,don't even worry about it


From the movies I do have recollection of seeing her in she has not done anything to the level of what Halle Berry did in Monsters Ball (but i could be wrong). I understand the point you're trying to make.

I still want to see her in some smut, minus that uni brow of course! :lol:

She did a love scene in Desperado. There were a couple of nice breast shots.
 
what Chapelle said is true. Seem like somebody alway want the strong bothers to play some cross dressing shit. I'm glad Chapelle said NO FUCKIN WAY. I never forgot that Ving Rhames scene. Guess when u need a paycheck....u need a paycheck. Why a dude need to put on a dress. Hollywod got mad females to play female roles! That Martin shit aint even funny and Madea is some wack shit. I figured that shit would a died with Flip Wilson...and that shit was never funny to me anyway.

I forgot..I want to play with Latifah big ass titties too.

because its "funny"' the contrast of seeing a strong male in a female costume is just "funny" period..

its not a frreaking conspiracy theory just something funny. jeezus



btw i've never heard of that will smith movie that they showed.. the hell did he do that??
 
This shit is the absolute truth and the shit is getting so blatant. Maybe the cat that made the vid is a little bit off, that doesn't mean he's wrong about this. Those of you who doubt this should do one thing: Go to the mall and buy a pair of jeans. It'll open up your eyes.

You go to the mall and what kind of jeans do you see? Skinny legged jeans. It doesn't matter what kind you buy, they legs have been shrunken on every single cut and style. If you've been lifting weights for a few years, you know that you have to switch to a relaxed, loose, or wide legged cut of jeans. The problem is that wide legged jeans of today are the regular jeans of yester year! I have nothing but wide legged jeans and they don't look wide legged. They fit well too. But if I get jeans marked regular, relaxed or loose fit, then they look painted on. It's slowly becoming to where wide legged jeans are almost as bad. I understand that the average american man has massivle underdeveloped legs from not walking much or lifting much weight but it's been that way since the 70's. Maybe it's because the pants are made in 3rd world countries right? You mean countries when men still do lots of physical labor? Doubt it! It's because someone thinks it's nice to walk around with pants so tight that it feels as though your nuts are in a strangle hold.

Not only that, but most of the jeans have a fruity swirl patterns as well. They have really colorful stitching instead of the standard dark yellow or blue that we grew up with. Most of the ones I saw a couple of days ago had shades of red that were borderline pink and pastel purple colors. A lot of them have colorful cartoons and unmasculine sayings stitched onto the thigh of the pants. You remember these, because your sister or cousin had jeans like these in the 80's? Try finding a pair without some odd kind of fade pattern. What kind of man buys faded blue jeans with brown dye marks on the knees and makes the wearer look like he just got done sucking dicks in a dirty barn? It ain't a heterosexual.

This country is being conditioned by the gay mafia. Read a book called "The Marketing of Evil". It has a chapter about this gay rights leader who went on to form the gay mafia. He was in the marketing business and wrote a book on how to condition america to accept homeosexuality as something normal and to be expected. It described how to win sympathy and have the mainstream do their dirty work (ie Isaih Washington). His book came out in the 80's and had one run so it's hard to find but the book in the link has excerpts.

The worst part is that the gay community has been saying for years that you can't influence someone elses sexuality and they're proving otherwise! They used to say "I was just born this way", but they bombard you with images of homsexuality and villify those in the media who won't comply. I was thinking of this as I watched Rambo last night. 1) Why are there no more action heroes? 2) Why does the shit on tv remind of the propaganda used by war criminals to psychologically condition child soldiers?

1) There are no more hypermasculine movie characters anymore. There's less violence and womanizing. Why? To attract more female viewers (action movies are made by and for heterosexual men so it's pointless). Another reason is to attract more gay males. John Rambo might make a gay dude feel bad about his lack of masculinty. James Bond is the most masculine action hero still around and he was the softest of all action heroes in the 80's. That should give you some perspective. Compare Predator to AVP and AVPR. AVP was definitely a mangina fest ad AVPR had good action but it still had soft males in the lead roles. Watch a movie about cops. Back in the 80's a cop would talk to his supervisor near the entrance when another cop brought in a street thug who was resisting arrest. What did the cops do? Throw the thug through the damn door and beat the shit out out of him with his baton with 4 or 5 more cops joining in. Watch "Live Free or Die Hard" and look at how the police station is. All this shit was going on and nobody panicked or rioted! The were sheep!

2) Child soldiers are trained to reject their families, beleive their fathers are monsters, and to never break ranks regardless of what they feel. Now boys are trined to never say no to something they feel is wrong. If a boy says "That's gay" he gets sent to the principle's office for antihomosexual remarks. What if some other kid tried to poke him in the ass with a pencil? How's he supposed to respond? What if the other kid had tried to kiss him? Look at Beenie Sigel at the end of the clip. That other dude had to have a lifetime of conditioning to think it was okay for anothe man to wrap his arm around his neck and get so close that when he turned his head to the left they damn near kissed. Sexual boundaries are some of the first boundaries that a person develops. The gay agenda is breaking that down which is why there are so many thug nigggas. Who's in the club with glitter on his shirt and rhinestones on his bandana? The thug!

Think about it!

:yes::yes::yes:
 
the brotha made a few good points.
for example why is latifah getting more roles than say angela bassett or any other blk females out there.
 
This shit is the absolute truth and the shit is getting so blatant. Maybe the cat that made the vid is a little bit off, that doesn't mean he's wrong about this. Those of you who doubt this should do one thing: Go to the mall and buy a pair of jeans. It'll open up your eyes.

You go to the mall and what kind of jeans do you see? Skinny legged jeans. It doesn't matter what kind you buy, they legs have been shrunken on every single cut and style. If you've been lifting weights for a few years, you know that you have to switch to a relaxed, loose, or wide legged cut of jeans. The problem is that wide legged jeans of today are the regular jeans of yester year! I have nothing but wide legged jeans and they don't look wide legged. They fit well too. But if I get jeans marked regular, relaxed or loose fit, then they look painted on. It's slowly becoming to where wide legged jeans are almost as bad. I understand that the average american man has massivle underdeveloped legs from not walking much or lifting much weight but it's been that way since the 70's. Maybe it's because the pants are made in 3rd world countries right? You mean countries when men still do lots of physical labor? Doubt it! It's because someone thinks it's nice to walk around with pants so tight that it feels as though your nuts are in a strangle hold.

Not only that, but most of the jeans have a fruity swirl patterns as well. They have really colorful stitching instead of the standard dark yellow or blue that we grew up with. Most of the ones I saw a couple of days ago had shades of red that were borderline pink and pastel purple colors. A lot of them have colorful cartoons and unmasculine sayings stitched onto the thigh of the pants. You remember these, because your sister or cousin had jeans like these in the 80's? Try finding a pair without some odd kind of fade pattern. What kind of man buys faded blue jeans with brown dye marks on the knees and makes the wearer look like he just got done sucking dicks in a dirty barn? It ain't a heterosexual.

This country is being conditioned by the gay mafia. Read a book called "The Marketing of Evil". It has a chapter about this gay rights leader who went on to form the gay mafia. He was in the marketing business and wrote a book on how to condition america to accept homeosexuality as something normal and to be expected. It described how to win sympathy and have the mainstream do their dirty work (ie Isaih Washington). His book came out in the 80's and had one run so it's hard to find but the book in the link has excerpts.

The worst part is that the gay community has been saying for years that you can't influence someone elses sexuality and they're proving otherwise! They used to say "I was just born this way", but they bombard you with images of homsexuality and villify those in the media who won't comply. I was thinking of this as I watched Rambo last night. 1) Why are there no more action heroes? 2) Why does the shit on tv remind of the propaganda used by war criminals to psychologically condition child soldiers?

1) There are no more hypermasculine movie characters anymore. There's less violence and womanizing. Why? To attract more female viewers (action movies are made by and for heterosexual men so it's pointless). Another reason is to attract more gay males. John Rambo might make a gay dude feel bad about his lack of masculinty. James Bond is the most masculine action hero still around and he was the softest of all action heroes in the 80's. That should give you some perspective. Compare Predator to AVP and AVPR. AVP was definitely a mangina fest ad AVPR had good action but it still had soft males in the lead roles. Watch a movie about cops. Back in the 80's a cop would talk to his supervisor near the entrance when another cop brought in a street thug who was resisting arrest. What did the cops do? Throw the thug through the damn door and beat the shit out out of him with his baton with 4 or 5 more cops joining in. Watch "Live Free or Die Hard" and look at how the police station is. All this shit was going on and nobody panicked or rioted! The were sheep!

2) Child soldiers are trained to reject their families, beleive their fathers are monsters, and to never break ranks regardless of what they feel. Now boys are trined to never say no to something they feel is wrong. If a boy says "That's gay" he gets sent to the principle's office for antihomosexual remarks. What if some other kid tried to poke him in the ass with a pencil? How's he supposed to respond? What if the other kid had tried to kiss him? Look at Beenie Sigel at the end of the clip. That other dude had to have a lifetime of conditioning to think it was okay for anothe man to wrap his arm around his neck and get so close that when he turned his head to the left they damn near kissed. Sexual boundaries are some of the first boundaries that a person develops. The gay agenda is breaking that down which is why there are so many thug nigggas. Who's in the club with glitter on his shirt and rhinestones on his bandana? The thug!

Think about it!

:yes::yes::yes:

I've also noticed how the "Action Figure" is going outta style.
Most Action Movies were R-Rated when I was growing up and had action figures (Terminator,Robocop,Predator,etc).Now the hero is some pretty boy or white chick.:smh::smh:
 
Frida was gay. The end.

No shit. I've actually seen the film.
The film was about Frida, the artist. Not Frida, the rug-muncher.
If Denzel does a film about James Baldwin, that gonna be because Hollywood loves to see black faggots on film? Or will it be a long overdue biopic of a literary master? Did Phillip Seymour Hoffman get his oscar for Capotes faggotry, or Hoffman's illuminating portrayal of another literary master?

To reduce Frida to a film about a lesbian is to be nearly too dumb for the value any further explication here not to bounce off your skull and lay at your feet.

"The End?" Children finish stories that way. :cool:
(But after reading your dissertation on "Blue Jeans & the Gay Agenda",
I may be the fool for having expected anything else.)



Do look for the Sequel, though:

Frida II:
Dykin' in Spain.

images
 
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I mentioned this topic to a gay friend of mine. She said the gay agenda might be a lot more organic than deliberate. Up until the last 100-200 years women were not allowed to act which meant that male actors had to play both male and female roles. In order to play the female role effectively the actor had to get in touch with his feminine emotions in ways that most men never have to. As a result many of them discovered that they were gay; however, if they had never became actors they never would have figured it out. It's similar to guys who do long bids in prison.

With homosexuality being banned, and in some cases grounds for execution, the theater became known as a safe haven for gays and many of them became actors as well. Eventually those actors became directors, script writers, producers and so forth until, just recently, they started to hold the balance of power. According to her modern theater and by extension television and movies were never really a straight institution to begin with.

That might explain why shows like "Leave it to Beaver" seemed so phony and contrived.
 
Niggas That See Gay In Everything Are Closet Homos

This is how cults condition people. When you see something thats blatantly questionable you are forced to retreat in fear of being called what they hate. If you condemn homosexuals you are singled out and put in the spotlight and yet when you single out racists and other abhorrent people theres an excuse for that.

There is a homosexuality agenda being pushed by hollywood to make people more liberal on it. I was born in Africa and left quite young and i remember vividly that homosexuality was abhorred. But after visiting the place recently the number of homosexuals has sky rocketed and they all seem to emulate one culture i.e the hollywood culture. If you think there is no homosexuality agenda ask yourself if you have ever seen a homosexual african bushman or any homosexual created without influence of the media.
 
Yep, definitly an increasing Agenda. No surprise though. Growing number, growing agenda. I have no problem with equality, but when you go past that point and blatantly attempt to force your agenda on people who won't want to hear about it 24/7 (or be a part of it) - then it's really annoying. I won't make hasty generalizations about everyone but, oh well. And the media is about the only place where I see any forseeble problem.


reply to nyeleman.


Look at it this way. As the media continues to show homosexuality more and more (over time) - you'll see more closeted homosexuals come out. Creates the more of an illusion than actuality of tolerance. It's kind of, a coast is clear and getting clearer type of thing. That's what ultimately went on during that time period you commented about. Not as if people were downright being converted against their sexuality from birth, but I guess people are fearing persecution less and less and is what probably caused (and will continue to cause) the growing number of 'them'. I'm sure people recognize this, and because of that reason add to it, continue to find it and push it- which is why it's continuing to gain a lot of momentum all the time. Like I said before, equality and your lifestyle is fine and dandy but uh..make sure you keep all of that in check and not push for a reality where it's constantly in everyone's face. I don't think it's that bad now, but it's moving in that direction.
 
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