Gasol Vows To Be More Aggressive

[tp2001]

Here comes statboy in here AFTER the game, take some of those millions you got and buy a laptop so you can discuss the game in real time with the rest of us. The Lakers built a 14 or 19 pt lead leadd by Kobe and then when he was taken out that lead was erased. Lamar Odom disappeared for longggggggggggg stretrchs of the game, Gasol was good on offense but on defense he had numerous moments of laziness, Kobe was fucking up with those two jumpshots instead of driving at the end but managed to come thru with a good defensive play to close out the game

sighs

I STILL haven't seen anything from the Lakers that states that they were going to take this series...

They had TWO double digit leads in the game and the Celtics came back to at least tie it or get to within two points on BOTH occasions.

Odom disappearing? My goodness I don't know what to say about that...No wait, I do...

8 of 10 from the field for 20 points
11 rebounds
4 blocks

A double-double constitutes for disappearing?

 

[Diamels]

He ended the game with 25 scored what 15 in the first so you do the math two of those points came at crucial time i think

and how many shots did he take after the first quarter?

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

The main two schemes they were playing in the second half was give it to Gasol and let him work or have Kobe drive and kick it out to a open man or that man pass again to another open man, they had abandoned the triangle

I agree. The principle of the triangle is to get the other team to double team the post players. If a dude goes on a jump-shooting spree and freezes out his team, it disrupts that. That's how the Celtics got back into the game: too much jump shooting by the Lakers.

 

[pookie]

sighs

I STILL haven't seen anything from the Lakers that states that they were going to take this series...

They had TWO double digit leads in the game and the Celtics came back to at least tie it or get to within two points on BOTH occasions.

Odom disappearing? My goodness I don't know what to say about that...No wait, I do...

8 of 10 from the field for 20 points
11 rebounds
4 blocks

A double-double constitutes for disappearing?

Odom went on a scoring/reboundinng spree when they had that large lead but during the whole comeback he didn't take a single shot, he gathered a couple more points and then again didn't take a shot. He had plenty of touches but was just kicking it back out

 

[Diamels]

If Lamar "disapeared" what did Kobe do after the first quarter?

 

[pookie]

I agree. The principle of the triangle is to get the other team to double team the post players. If a dude goes on a jump-shooting spree and freezes out his team, it disrupts that. That's how the Celtics got back into the game: too much jump shooting by the Lakers.

Yeah i saw seeing that too. I think Jordan Farmar stepped up big because other than Kobe and "occasionally" Odom there was no penetration by the Lakers, i think that hurt the Celtics

 

[tp2001]

Odom went on a scoring/reboundinng spree when they had that large lead but during the whole comeback he didn't take a single shot, he gathered a couple more points and then again didn't take a shot. He had plenty of touches but was just kicking it back out

At the end of the first, he was 1-1...In the 2nd he was 3 of 4...

which comeback are you talking about? The second one?

 

[Diamels]

Yeah i saw seeing that too. I think Jordan Farmar stepped up big because other than Kobe and "occasionally" Odom there was no penetration by the Lakers, i think that hurt the Celtics

When was Kobe penetrating?

 

[pookie]

If Lamar "disapeared" what did Kobe do after the first quarter?

He turned into a passer, unlike Odom when he had the ball he was driving trying to draw the defense to setup a teammate for a open shot while as Odom was catching it behind the 3 point line and passing it off "behind the 3 point line". He also was playing the part of defender before he got on Pierce he had almost singelhandedly erased that big Lakers lead

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

Yeah i saw seeing that too. I think Jordan Farmar stepped up big because other than Kobe and "occasionally" Odom there was no penetration by the Lakers, i think that hurt the Celtics

I'll put it out there: K.G. needs to take getting outplayed by Gasol tonight as a personal insult. He needs to be more aggressive next game. He is capable of that for 3 quarters.

 

[pookie]

At the end of the first, he was 1-1...In the 2nd he was 3 of 4...

which comeback are you talking about? The second one?

the one were he went on the lowpost scoring spree while KG was on the bench

 

[tp2001]

Yeah i saw seeing that too. I think Jordan Farmar stepped up big because other than Kobe and "occasionally" Odom there was no penetration by the Lakers, i think that hurt the Celtics

Kobe rarely did that in the second half, and when he did, he either turned the ball over or the guy he passed it to missed the shot...

The time where I thought the Lakers would do some damage was when Gasol was in the post with Garnett twice...One time he tried to draw a foul and ended up missing...the next time he just went strong and made the bucket...

If you have two guys in the post shooting over 50% from the field and drawing foul trouble against the other team, then you don't go away from it...

 

[tp2001]

the one were he went on the lowpost scoring spree while KG was on the bench

The 2nd quarter then...all of his shot attempts were in the paint

 

[Diamels]

He turned into a passer, unlike Odom when he had the ball he was driving trying to draw the defense to setup a teammate for a open shot while as Odom was catching it behind the 3 point line and passing it off "behind the 3 point line". He also was playing the part of defender before he got on Pierce he had almost singelhandedly erased that big Lakers lead

yeah them 4 assists and 6 turnovers tell me this...

 

[pookie]

Kobe rarely did that in the second half, and when he did, he either turned the ball over or the guy he passed it to missed the shot...

The time where I thought the Lakers would do some damage was when Gasol was in the post with Garnett twice...One time he tried to draw a foul and ended up missing...the next time he just went strong and made the bucket...

If you have two guys in the post shooting over 50% from the field and drawing foul trouble against the other team, then you don't go away from it...

Other Lakers had turnovers too and is it Kobes fault that the person he passed it to missed the shot, alot of those passes were to Gasol so he wasn't going away from it except on that 3 point shot in the 4th

 

[tp2001]

Other Lakers had turnovers too and is it Kobes fault that the person he passed it to missed the shot, alot of those passes were to Gasol so he wasn't going away from it except on that 3 point shot in the 4th

True but Gasol still shot 60% from the field in the second half...I'd still go with my post players...

And while I do rag on Kobe for most of this series (he finished 3-12 after the first quarter this game), the other guards have been pitiful as well (not just Fisher's FG%)...

 

[pookie]

True but Gasol still shot 60% from the field in the second half...I'd still go with my post players...

And while I do rag on Kobe for most of this series (he finished 3-12 after the first quarter this game), the other guards have been pitiful as well (not just Fisher's FG%)...

Kobe is a shooter so of course he gonna put the ball up some gonna be good some gonna be bad, its not realistic to think that one man is gonna shoot the ball everytime. Fisher, Odom, Radmonvic and Vejeusic all took shots some of them bad

 

[cranrab]

Here comes statboy in here AFTER the game, take some of those millions you got and buy a laptop so you can discuss the game in real time with the rest of us.

right. coming from dude who admitted he didn't watch game 4 but that didn't stop him from spilling bullshit onto his keyboard.

Lamar Odom disappeared for longggggggggggg stretrchs of the game, Gasol was good on offense but on defense he had numerous moments of laziness, Kobe was fucking up with those two jumpshots instead of driving at the end but managed to come thru with a good defensive play to close out the game

encapsulated like a true highlight watcher.

your understanding of basketball is always pure comedy. frontcourt players who are playing well should be given as many opportunities as they can before the well runs dry. in the case of the fakers lamar odom (high) and pau gasol (low), the ONLY reason for them disappearing (your perception) is because someone is preventing them from getting their looks/touches. you're just not honest enough to admit it.

you mentioned "2 jumpshots". are you referring to the consecutive possessions under 2 minutes to play where he missed the floater in the lane, and the 3 point shot? the same possessions where on both he dribbled out the clock in search of heroics? i wonder if his frontcourt players deserved a look, considering the tremendous % they were shooting?

 

[pookie]

right. coming from dude who admitted he didn't watch game 4 but that didn't stop him from spilling bullshit onto his keyboard.



encapsulated like a true highlight watcher.

your understanding of basketball is always pure comedy. frontcourt players who are playing well should be given as many opportunities as they can before the well runs dry. in the case of the fakers lamar odom (high) and pau gasol (low), the ONLY reason for them disappearing (your perception) is because someone is preventing them from getting their looks/touches. you're just not honest enough to admit it.

you mentioned "2 jumpshots". are you referring to the consecutive possessions under 2 minutes to play where he missed the floater in the lane, and the 3 point shot? the same possessions where on both he dribbled out the clock in search of heroics? i wonder if his frontcourt players deserved a look, considering the tremendous % they were shooting?

How come you didn't address any of my comments during the game clown, waiting til its over to gather stats. Everything i said about game 4 was on point, seeing as you and your alias couldn't refute any of it

I never said Gasol disappeared i said Odom did, I also said Odom got his touches but just didn't do anything with the ball except pass it to someone else

and yes i was referring to those last two shots Kobe took and Gasol deserved a look because he was being aggressive but only two of Odoms points came from he driving from outside so giving him a look/touch would've only resulted in him passing it to someone else

 

[cranrab]

How come you didn't address any of my comments during the game clown, waiting til its over to gather stats.

comments such as? point them out now (unedited, please) and i'll be glad to take a look.

Everything i said about game 4 was on point, seeing as you and your alias couldn't refute any of it

right. you're only fooling yourself, son. because your faulty premise (and poor understanding of basketball) allows you to believe the following statement is true:

players who are shooting poorly should continue to shoot when their teammates are shooting well.

i said Odom did, I also said Odom got his touches but just didn't do anything with the ball except pass it to someone else

and? so? are you suggesting that if lamar odom passes the ball then he shouldn't reasonably expect a return pass at some point?

Gasol deserved a look because he was being aggressive

a miracle. we agree.

only two of Odoms points came from he driving from outside

wow. that was incredibly short lived. maybe you need better glasses or a new TV. take a look at this shot chart and then go back and edit your post.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=280615013

 

[cranrab]

Before he left he had 8 points 6 on wide open shots and the two on a playground "i'm playing around with you" shot

you do understand that out of a total 24 possible minutes, pau gasol "fouled out" kevin garnett in the first half, limiting kevin garnett's time on the floor to only 11:06, right?

i mean damn. pau gasol hung 2 of those 3 PFs on kevin garnett, and got the DPOY off the floor.

but you were too busy fixating on somebody else, i'm sure.

 

[cranrab]

How many shots will Kobe put up and will the Lakers win?

wisely, he only put up 5 (his proper quarterly ration).

fakers fans should be jubilant.

 

[pookie]

you do understand that out of a total 24 possible minutes, pau gasol "fouled out" kevin garnett in the first half, limiting kevin garnett's time on the floor to only 11:06, right?

i mean damn. pau gasol hung 2 of those 3 PFs on kevin garnett, and got the DPOY off the floor.

but you were too busy fixating on somebody else, i'm sure.

Those eight points came when the celtics were making the comeback, so his lack of defense was making his pointing scoring null and voiid during that time. you're the one that is focused on just one player. While me, Rollie Fingaz and a couple of other cats was discussing the game DURING THE GAME you had all your attention focused on Kobe trying to see what he was doing wrong

 

[cranrab]

If you have two guys in the post shooting over 50% from the field and drawing foul trouble against the other team, then you don't go away from it...

P doesn't understand that concept.

P believes that low percentage shooting from the perimeter trumps high percentage shooting from the paint.

god bless them all.

 

[cranrab]

While me, Rollie Fingaz and a couple of other cats was discussing the game DURING THE GAME you had all your attention focused on Kobe trying to see what he was doing wrong

P,

you're sad homo. not mad homo, but sad homo.

brother, you realize in my post to you i wrote about pau gasol and kevin garnett.

but here you come in your reply talking about your boyfriend tobe.

 

[pookie]

comments such as? point them out now (unedited, please) and i'll be glad to take a look.

I know you saw them

right. you're only fooling yourself, son. because your faulty premise (and poor understanding of basketball) allows you to believe the following statement is true:

players who are shooting poorly should continue to shoot when their teammates are shooting well.

If you're the franchise player who is the leader of the team you're allowed to shot

and? so? are you suggesting that if lamar odom passes the ball then he shouldn't reasonably expect a return pass at some point?
In a 24 second shot clock if you receive a pass in a perfect position to do something with it, just hold it and then pass to someone else and stand in the same place why should they pass it back


a miracle. we agree.



wow. that was incredibly short lived. maybe you need better glasses or a new TV. take a look at this shot chart and then go back and edit your post.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=280615013

I think you're the one that needs to look at that chart, it shows a 3 pointer that Odom hit from the outside, all the others were shots he got under the basket. Its just to easy to

 

[pookie]

P,

you're sad homo. not mad homo, but sad homo.

brother, you realize in my post to you i wrote about pau gasol and kevin garnett.

but here you come in your reply talking about your boyfriend tobe.

You're hurting right now aren't you, having trouble breathing

 

[cranrab]

The Lakers built a 14 or 19 pt lead leadd by Kobe and then when he was taken out that lead was erased. Lamar Odom disappeared for longggggggggggg stretrchs of the game, Gasol was good on offense but on defense he had numerous moments of laziness, Kobe was fucking up with those two jumpshots instead of driving at the end but managed to come thru with a good defensive play to close out the game

this is exhibit A as to why it's obvious you stay stuck on some bullshit.

let's take a look at Q4. fakers had an 11 point lead. the fakers then proceeded to go SCORELESS the next 3:30 while the celtics erased the lead and tied the game.

tobe was ON the floor the entire time, and watched the lead dwindle. furthermore, 5 of the 11 celtics points during the run were scored as a DIRECT result of tobe's poor play. i know, you'll never admit that, but fact remains fact.

in those 3 minutes 30 seconds, pau gasol got ONE shot. think it would've been a good idea to let him have the ball more during that stretch? i do.

lamar odom subbed back in for almost 2 minutes (1:58) of the scoreless drought. did he get a shot? NO. think it would've been a good idea to let the dude shooting 80% FGAs touch the ball? i do.

who eventually ended the drought? pau gasol. amazing how that works, huh?

the next 2 points after that? lamar odom. what a fucking surprise.

 

[cranrab]

I think you're the one that needs to look at that chart, it shows a 3 pointer that Odom hit from the outside, all the others were shots he got under the basket. Its just to easy to

thanks for proving you don't know how to read a shot chart.

another chapter closed.

 

[pookie]

this is exhibit A as to why it's obvious you stay stuck on some bullshit.

let's take a look at Q4. fakers had an 11 point lead. the fakers then proceeded to go SCORELESS the next 3:30 while the celtics erased the lead and tied the game.

tobe was ON the floor the entire time, and watched the lead dwindle. furthermore, 5 of the 11 celtics points during the run were scored as a DIRECT result of tobe's poor play. i know, you'll never admit that, but fact remains fact.

in those 3 minutes 30 seconds, pau gasol got ONE shot. think it would've been a good idea to let him have the ball more during that stretch? i do.

lamar odom subbed back in for almost 2 minutes (1:58) of the scoreless drought. did he get a shot? NO. think it would've been a good idea to let the dude shooting 80% FGAs touch the ball? i do.

who eventually ended the drought? pau gasol. amazing how that works, huh?

the next 2 points after that? lamar odom. what a fucking surprise.

OK now tell me this when Gasol ended that drought was that the first time he had touched the ball during that stretch, answer the same question about Odom

 

[pookie]

thanks for proving you don't know how to read a shot chart.

another chapter closed.

you so confused you don't make any sense, i said Odom had one outside shot, you provided a shot chart that says Odom had a 3 pointer (outside shot)with 11:04 in the 4th qtr.

 

[cranrab]

If you're the franchise player who is the leader of the team you're allowed to shot

you're like mcfly's dad in back to the future.

"you are my density."

son, EVERYBODY is allowed to shoot. some even have to be encouraged and coaxed to shoot (rajan rondo, for example).

the concept you repeatedly fail to grasp is that just because a player is allowed to shoot, doesn't mean that they should shoot. it's called "shot selection" among other things.

you provide an endless spring of evidence that confirms you know nothing about basketball.

 

[cranrab]

in those 3 minutes 30 seconds, pau gasol got ONE shot. think it would've been a good idea to let him have the ball more during that stretch? i do.

OK now tell me this when Gasol ended that drought was that the first time he had touched the ball during that stretch

i never thought you were illiterate. until now. obtuse, yes. illiterate no. what a disappointment.

 

[pookie]

you're like mcfly's dad in back to the future.

"you are my density."

son, EVERYBODY is allowed to shoot. some even have to be encouraged and coaxed to shoot (rajan rondo, for example).

the concept you repeatedly fail to grasp is that just because a player is allowed to shoot, doesn't mean that they should shoot. it's called "shot selection" among other things.

you provide an endless spring of evidence that confirms you know nothing about basketball.

Everybody isn't "allowed" to shoot whenever they want to, you think Turiaf and Mihm could've just started taking multiple shots when they out there. Only shots that i saw that were ill advised were the ones we mentioned earlier. You confirmed your lack of basketball knowledge months ago

 

[pookie]

i never thought you were illiterate. until now. obtuse, yes. illiterate no. what a disappointment.

You playing the dumb role again i see, a "touch" is when you receive the ball you can either take a "shot" or make a "pass". Now that i cleared it up answer my question