Game of Thrones VS Spartacus
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I thought so the 1st time I watched it...but the set up for the 1st two eps was nice storywise...it was the cheesy efx that fucked it up for me
Yeah they learned alot by the time they did Gods of the Arena
Ya I underrated the show until Gods of Arena dropped and I rewatched the 1st joint...what's funny is I'm discovering a lot of friends are huge fans of the show but bcuz of the nudity/cursing it comes across as a guilty pleasure that they're afraid to admit to
I just got through watching the first episode,I dont like the special effects at all,especially the blood effects thats some God of War type of shit...
As for the story I kinda like it so far.
As for the story I kinda like it so far.
I just got through watching the first episode,I dont like the special effects at all,especially the blood effects thats some God of War type of shit...
As for the story I kinda like it so far.
Ya as dude said by the 3rd ep they dead the cheesy shit...by the season's end you'll be
Man you lucky as hell...you in for a pretty damn good show...the 1st time I watched it in 2 days...shit does hook you...but watching it so fast I overlooked how good the story isAnyone liked Rome? I watched the 1st ep and was bored...shit looks pretentious...just seemed like Spartacus on a bigger budget cuz it's on HBO...but I won't drawn in to the characters/story...to be fair I only judging it off 1 ep
Tell me then how does Lord Starks....arguable the star of the show manage to get his head cut off without realizing an obviously shady ass family thats in power...may not surprisingly(being sarcastic) forgive him? No plan B from a smart man?
Sorry i cannot accept that as being well-written. Others have tried to justify it, but it makes no sense at all...A man of "honor" in his last moments throws away everything hes worked hard for? How could he slip/ have a mental lapse that badly when it mattered most?
Tical If I can recall you're a writer yourself correct? Nevertheless both stories are good and completely different, the story Spartacus is based on a real person, and the story is supposed to be a somewhat accurate portrayal of his life/suffering with that said though you the viewer can look and relate to the characters, the violence and even the sexual acts. Game of Thrones is a mystical show that deals with intrigue, political clout and even Magic in a place that Magic is dying, but slowly being revived (I haven't read the books as yet, but from piecing together the stories from the others who have that's the gist I've gotten from it).
Your question was based on one of the major catalysts of the show/book, and to be quite earnest if you were following the show you'd have had an idea on the type of man the 'King's Hand' was and how he was even to his last a man of honor and principle in a place were people didn't hold Morals of high value, as aptly put by Lord Starks "I'm a solider I lead a solider's life, I know nothing about running a kingdom, I don't fear death' the Enoch then asks him "What about your daughters my lord?" Hereby fooling the noble man by making him think that his family was in immediate danger, the man then says that Love can make us change our minds and sometimes even weakens us, or some B.S. of that nature, nevertheless, he allowed himself to be coerced to save his family's life, which was the only thing that mattered to him, however, when he went on the stage and realized that he was dealing with snakes it was already too late.
The only recourse he had was to look upon his daughter for the last time, and even then she was no longer in his sight. That to me was very powerful writing and the fact that they were able to capture that from the book says a lot. Also Lord Starks reminds me a lot of the 'Saint' Sir Thomas Moore, who had also a similar disposition to renounce King Henry's marriage to Lady Catherine and he in turn didn't budge on his principle.
Rome is deep as well, don't think about the first episode too much to me rome is a mix of this as well as Spartacus I saw Game of Thrones only for the political atmosphere of it, some serious Chess moves being done by the major players all over, and when that boy becomes Emperor is in itself amazing 'Theater', I'm disappointed with it being over though.
I'll give it a 2nd chance...what's fucked up is I dled all the eps and was so annoyed by the 1st ep that I deleted all of them...and the site I got them from has been down for a week now
I'll give it a 2nd chance...what's fucked up is I dled all the eps and was so annoyed by the 1st ep that I deleted all of them...and the site I got them from has been down for a week now
Man I so wish I could get back all those seasons, if you loved Luther, and his wife from the show, then you'll love how she acts in Rome really good acting from all the characters, HBO knows how to make good drama shows!
Dayum, I gotta download Rome and The Wire also
My apologies. It was meant more as a joke than an insult.
Perhaps, but its so fucking cheesy that i had no desire to continue to devote time to it. I will give it another shot at some point.
How did it come an issue of affordability when all those commenting have seen both series you imbecile. And who needs STARZ when you have BGOL?
A writer---a compliment that i definitely dont deserve...but check out my reasoning then tell me if i'm as mad as they say?: It is Particularly because of what you have alluded in bold, IMO that robbed this character of Full Glory. Honorable men in the end don't sacrifice the whole world save to themselves and family, thats left to the cowards: You want to know why this character is honorable tell the end?
FREEEEEEEDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOM. In the end he didnt betray all that he had worked for! In the end all Ned showed is if you put a knife to his families neck....shit he's spilling ALL the beans. IMO a poor ending for a man of principal and of all the characters I've seen on the show he should of been the last man to go out with his tail tucked between his leg.
http://www.bgol.us/board/showpost.php?p=10117375&postcount=28
http://www.bgol.us/board/showpost.php?p=10117442&postcount=33
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A writer---a compliment that i definitely dont deserve...but check out my reasoning then tell me if i'm as mad as i at first seem: It is Particularly because of what you have alluded in bold, IMO that robs this character of Full Glory. Honorable men in the end don't sacrifice the whole world save to themselves and family, thats left to the cowards: You want to know why this character is honorable tell the end?
FREEEEEEEDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOM. In the end he didnt betray all that he had worked for! In the end all Ned showed is if you put a knife to his families neck....shit he's spilling ALL the beans, IMO a poor ending for a man of principal
http://www.bgol.us/board/showpost.php?p=10117375&postcount=28
http://www.bgol.us/board/showpost.php?p=10117442&postcount=33
I saw your replies and realized that you did follow the show, can't argue with your logic, but from how it was explained by the 'real' exiled King (the old dude who plays that he's a cripple, he stated what a man will compromise for), right after that you see Lord Starks break when he's come to terms with his state, once his family is mentioned he does what any 'regular' would for his family.
A writer---a compliment that i definitely dont deserve...but check out my reasoning then tell me if i'm as mad as they say?: It is Particularly because of what you have alluded in bold, IMO that robbed this character of Full Glory. Honorable men in the end don't sacrifice the whole world save to themselves and family, thats left to the cowards: You want to know why this character is honorable tell the end?
FREEEEEEEDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOM. In the end he didnt betray all that he had worked for! In the end all Ned showed is if you put a knife to his families neck....shit he's spilling ALL the beans. IMO a poor ending for a man of principal and of all the characters I've seen on the show he should of been the last man to go out with his tail tucked between his leg.
http://www.bgol.us/board/showpost.php?p=10117375&postcount=28
http://www.bgol.us/board/showpost.php?p=10117442&postcount=33
Key difference here is that Gibson's character had ALREADY lost everything. His wife being killed is what set the whole thing off. His family was already gone so he had nothing left going for him but revenge. He knew he was going to be killed so it cost him nothing to be defiant to the end.
In GOT, the situation was totally reversed. He had a chance to save his kids and the REALM more bloodshed by capitulating to Joffrey. He wasn't even supposed to die, but like I said before, EVERYONE underestimated Joffrey's cruel streak.
Joffery did not NEED Ned to proclaim him rightful King. He just WANTED to hear him say it. The common folk were not going to rise up because as far as they know Joffrey is the rightful King. Remember only a few people outside the small council know the truth of Joffrey's heritage. THere's also a reason why NED didn't tell everyone the truth, but thats starting to get into spoiler territory.
Key difference here is that Gibson's character had ALREADY lost everything. His wife being killed is what set the whole thing off. His family was already gone so he had nothing left going for him but revenge. He knew he was going to be killed so it cost him nothing to be defiant to the end.
In GOT, the situation was totally reversed. He had a chance to save his kids and the REALM more bloodshed by capitulating to Joffrey. He wasn't even supposed to die, but like I said before, EVERYONE underestimated Joffrey's cruel streak.
Joffery did not NEED Ned to proclaim him rightful King. He just WANTED to hear him say it. The common folk were not going to rise up because as far as they know Joffrey is the rightful King. Remember only a few people outside the small council know the truth of Joffrey's heritage. THere's also a reason why NED didn't tell everyone the truth, but thats starting to get into spoiler territory.
The brave Heart character was thrown in last min and he hadn't lost everything, certainly he lost what was most dear to him. As far as the Ned situation and Jeffery my point of contention is that he FIRMLY established him as king with his last act.....but we'll see why he did that hopefully its a GREAT one.
Thats exactly the point he did "what any regular" would do! When did he become a commoner? In a way it was fitting that he lost his head for it was he that took the head of the "deserter"(episode 1), IMO failing miserably as a leader to fully analyze the situation(apparently a mistake he is fond of) and what the man had to say.
But hey...its obvious i have away of looking at things
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I better not see you ninjas when season 2 of spartacus starts
They're like trees blowing in the wind, going where ever it takes them. I can't wait for "assassin216 " to finish watching Spartacus! boy is he going to be surprised and filled with euphoria.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. Ask yourself what would have happened if NEd hadn't agreed with Varys to disavow his previous words against Joffrey? Do you honestly think they would have let him go to the town square and shout his accusations to the public. HELL NO!! He woulda died in that cell with Rats and shit all around him.
I'm gonna paraphrase the writer Martin and what he's said about the way Ned went out. He basically said that people need to understand is that characters SERVE the story and not the other way around.
It served the story for Ned to die the way he did, because if he does not then we don't get to see Joffery go back on his promise which more than anything added fuel to the fire of his enemies. Joffrey was going to have problems anyway, but now he's added additional justification for his enemies to work with.
On the other hand if he had been the stiff honor bound character you seem to want him to be, that's exactly how he would have died in that cell serving no purpose but his own.
ask you to reflect on Ned whole character. Yes, he's shown to be almost always protecting his honor, but he's also shown to have emotion and care for others. See how he acted to prevent Dany's assassination, not just because it was the honorable thing, but because he knows he has to protect his own family member from the same kind of retribution. Allowing Cersie a chance to leave was not truly the honorable thing to do but again he has to consider his own illegitimate family members.
Spartacus, Game is just too fucking boring. I've gone 3 episodes in and just can't. The only thing saving that show is the midget....but that's what midgets do.
preach
to each thier own.. but if you think Game of Throne is boring you've been corrupted by the Michael Bay's of the world...
game is one of the most well written, unpredictable series ever written. I've read the books....so i know whats coming... and I never saw any of it till they hit me with it.... Spartacus was ok.. but #1 the fake blood threw me off, and #2 the CGI for the backgrounds and sets was horrible... but i means thats what an HBO budget gets you... the extras....
entertainment is like food everyone has different tastes.. but GOT is a way better story, and goes deeper into the rabbit hole... while sparticus is busy splashing and treading water...
game is one of the most well written, unpredictable series ever written. I've read the books....so i know whats coming... and I never saw any of it till they hit me with it.... Spartacus was ok.. but #1 the fake blood threw me off, and #2 the CGI for the backgrounds and sets was horrible... but i means thats what an HBO budget gets you... the extras....
entertainment is like food everyone has different tastes.. but GOT is a way better story, and goes deeper into the rabbit hole... while sparticus is busy splashing and treading water...
I am not sure if you really see the complexity of the characters in GOT. Braveheart was a fairly straight forward hero movie. It didn;t do anything beyond convention except the hero dies. William Wallace is not a compelling character. He doesn't display the nuances of what it means to be human. Mel Gibson has an uncanny way of making people feel compassion for someone because of the brutality they experience. If you look at most of his films, the main character is someone basically a tortured hero.
In GOT, Ned doesn't go against character. He believes in honor to a fault, and he is naive of the situation he is in.
The funny part is the ones talkin about how ruthless the kid Joffrey is....Spartacus already done did that:
The funny part is the ones talkin about how ruthless the kid Joffrey is....Spartacus already done did that:
Lil dude was what I called a plot device. He had no real power, the adults were just humoring him. He wanted to play toy gladiators with real people.
Joffrey is King of the Seven Realms. He literally has the power of life and death over hundreds of thousands of people
Imagine Battiarus as a 13 year old running things for the whole of Rome and you got something like Joffrey
So basically you want to see the same hero archetype rehashed in GoT...thankfully the writers/producers feel diff about serving up the same familiar protagonists/antagonists that viewers are used to...and Braveheart and Ned are 2 diff characters facing 2 diff circumstances...Braveheart lost his family (basically his wife) so he had nothing to lose and was spurred by love/revenge which evolved into "honor"...he assumed a leadership role and became a "man" against an entire realm/country...Ned was NEVER that dude...he could have assumed a bigger role in things...but he was just interested in holding down Winterfell and going to King's Landing to solve Jon Arryn's death...THAT'S IT...nothing more...if you wanted him to be more than that then you're entitled to your opinion...but you don't write for the series so it is what it is...Ned had his home (Winterfell) and his family (wife and kids) and he was content w/ that...Braveheart really had no home cuz they didn't even own their own land their wives would get raped on their honeymoons and shit and the one thing he loved was taken from him...and that fueled him to greatness...by the time he was caught/tortured he was more legend than man...when Ned was caught he was just a "broken" dude caught up in a situation he never wanted to be in to begin w/ and he was prepared to die easily but then thought of his daughters...now whether or not you look @ that as cowardly or noble is debatable...there is no right answer but there's no debating why he did it...and considering the type of character Ned is it's very understandable...here is a dude that warned the Queen to escape w/ her son out of mercy for their lives...so why would he not sacrifice his honor for the mercy of his daughters' lives...again you may not agree w/ how his character ended but thankfully you don't write for the show...otherwise we would have gotten some kinda cliche bullshit w/ Ned having a dramatic escape from prison and rallying the troops in a win all lose all fight to the death bla bla bla...and ultimately that's the diff between a good yet predictable show like Spartacus and a great show like GoT that is unpredictably real
A writer---a compliment that i definitely dont deserve...but check out my reasoning then tell me if i'm as mad as they say?: It is Particularly because of what you have alluded in bold, IMO that robbed this character of Full Glory. Honorable men in the end don't sacrifice the whole world save to themselves and family, thats left to the cowards: You want to know why this character is honorable tell the end?
FREEEEEEEDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOM. In the end he didnt betray all that he had worked for! In the end all Ned showed is if you put a knife to his families neck....shit he's spilling ALL the beans. IMO a poor ending for a man of principal and of all the characters I've seen on the show he should of been the last man to go out with his tail tucked between his leg.
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