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TENT said:
That isn't my theory at all. I didn't say Qyburn is acting on his own.

I was dissing the WRITING of the show when I said Cersei is too smart for this.

Cersei is too smart and cunning for how she is acting now.

Cersei knows that Bronn has a relationship with both Tyrion and Jamie.

There is NO WAY we should believe Bronn would kill either brother. It has no set up for this. It is just lame writing.

They have devolved the Cersei character because they dont have GRRM to weave the tale properly.

You Goofy niggas don't understand my context!!
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If Bronn was ‘as tight’ with Jamie & Tyrion as you seem to think he is.... don’t you think he would have LEFT Kings Landing WITH Jamie at the end of last season? :rolleyes:

Don’t you think Bronn would have WENT BACK to Dragonstone with Tyrion after they came & brought a Dead Wight down to Kings Landing? :rolleyes:

Qyburn found him IN A WHOREHOUSE in Kings Landing. Getting laid with MULTIPLE women at the same time. :D:rolleyes:

When the ‘chips are down’... look what others do....

Varys jumps on a boat to escort Tyrion out of Kings Landing, after he killed Tywin. Knowing that if they get caught, he will be executed. In Westeros, THATs Friendship. :yes:

Jojen & Mera Reed volunteer to escort Bran North of the Wall, to find the 3-eyed Raven... knowing upfront that they might not live through it all. In Westeros, THATs Friendship. :yes:

At the Wall, Grenn & Dolores Edd volunteer to escort Jon Snow to Craster’s Keep to kill the mutineers before the Wildlings get there. Then Dolores Edd also volunteers to escort Jon Snow to Hardhome.... knowing upfront that they might not live through it all. In Westeros, THATs Friendship. :yes:

At Eastwatch, Tormund volunteers to help Jon Snow capture 1 soldier of the Army of the Dead. Knowing he might die in the process. In Westeros, THATs Friendship. :yes:


Meanwhile....... Bronn couldn’t even volunteer to stop ‘getting some ass’ long enough to go help out his 2 ‘best friends’. :rolleyes:


Pay attention to ‘the unspoken signs’. :yes:
The writers are putting it right in your face.

Bronn looks out for ‘Numero Uno’.
Before anyone else.

Unless he stands to ‘get something’ out of it.
 
@grownazzblakman I got your point about friendship. Ollie and the nights watch were friends with Jon too. Look what happened. Nothing is what it seems.
I know they are telegraphing Bronn killing the brothers or TRYING to kill the brothers. I am saying it isn't going to happen. I also dont believe Bronn is going to try. We shall see. I am willing to tell you you are right if you are. However you gonna be eating crow when this show is over.

Also Varys isn't friends with anyone. Varys is going to side with whoever is going to keep things stable.
 
Also does anyone know why Robert Baratheon was the one chosen to be the king?

I really want to see Howland Reed but I dont think that is gonna happen. I guess they dont need him and his house?
 
TENT said:
Also does anyone know why Robert Baratheon was the one chosen to be the king?

I really want to see Howland Reed but I dont think that is gonna happen. I guess they dont need him and his house?
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Because his grandmother had Targaryen blood and being that it was believed that all Targaryens were dead it legitimized his claim. He wasn’t chosen he literally took it.
 
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TENT said:
Also does anyone know why Robert Baratheon was the one chosen to be the king?

I really want to see Howland Reed but I dont think that is gonna happen. I guess they dont need him and his house?
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Howland needs his own story line it people be terrible writing to just paste him in this late in the game. Truth be told he was a big part of the story of everything that happened pre-show. A shame he didn’t get in.
 
TENT said:
@grownazzblakman I got your point about friendship. Ollie and the nights watch were friends with Jon too. Look what happened. Nothing is what it seems.
I know they are telegraphing Bronn killing the brothers or TRYING to kill the brothers. I am saying it isn't going to happen. I also dont believe Bronn is going to try. We shall see. I am willing to tell you you are right if you are. However you gonna be eating crow when this show is over.

Also Varys isn't friends with anyone. Varys is going to side with whoever is going to keep things stable.
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Jon was not betrayed by anyone at the Wall ‘who was his friend’. None of those dudes that stabbed Jon were his friend. Ollie wasn’t even ‘his friend’.

Ollie basically showed up at the Wall one day.... literally as an Orphan. And Jon just took pity on him and decided to train him... and later made him his Steward. (Just like Commander Mormont did for him.)

But they were never ‘friends’.
Ollie just ‘took orders’ from Jon.

And Ollie didn’t kill YGritte because of any ‘friendship’ with Jon :smh:... Ollie killed YGritte because Sam told him to ‘grab weapon & fight’ and he saw / remembered that YGritte killed his Mother & Father with an Arrow.

So when he had ‘the opportunity’... Ollie returned the favor.

The only ‘friends’ Jon had left at the Wall.... were the 5 or 6 guys who were in the room with Davos, after they found his body.

Personally, I think if Ollie did not HELP to kill Jon..... then sure, eventually they would have become friends. (Keyword: eventually)
 
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So the realm weirdly believes that Targaryens should be on the Iron Throne? Just not Dany? Why they giving her a hard time in the North if they believe Targaryens should be on the throne. She is the only known Taragaryen now. She is back. Everyone should be happy?
I knew the answer... I was just messing around. See how it isn't make 100% sense? But I guess that is life.

FJP said:
Because his grandmother had Targaryen blood and being that it was believed that all Targaryens were dead it legitimized his claim. He wasn’t chosen he literally took it.
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Peace,

TENT said:
Also does anyone know why Robert Baratheon was the one chosen to be the king?
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Because he was the one who sat the thrown after Robert’s Rebellion had ended and the Mad King was killed.

Remember in season 1 when Ned Stark first arrives to Kings Landing and he and Jaime are having their dick measuring contest in the throne room? Jaime mocks him for not having the balls to take the throne himself and Ned says that it was the best decision he ever made.
 
TENT said:
So the realm weirdly believes that Targaryens should be on the Iron Throne? Just not Dany? Why they giving her a hard time in the North if they believe Targaryens should be on the throne. She is the only known Taragaryen now. She is back. Everyone should be happy?
I knew the answer... I was just messing around. See how it isn't make 100% sense? But I guess that is life.
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It does make sense bro. They believe that the kingdom is passed down through bloodline. You have to realize Dany’s supposed dead body along with all relatives were presented publicly as proof they were dead.

Once Robert was legitimized his line determined who wears the crown therefore at this point Dany is a false claimant. And to add to that she’s a foreigner that Westerosi don’t know.
 
TENT said:
Also does anyone know why Robert Baratheon was the one chosen to be the king?

I really want to see Howland Reed but I dont think that is gonna happen. I guess they dont need him and his house?
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Ned Could have been King to but he made Robert take it. Robert and Ned are the ones who started the revolt against the king so they got dibs.
 
TENT said:
So the realm weirdly believes that Targaryens should be on the Iron Throne? Just not Dany? Why they giving her a hard time in the North if they believe Targaryens should be on the throne. She is the only known Taragaryen now. She is back. Everyone should be happy?
I knew the answer... I was just messing around. See how it isn't make 100% sense? But I guess that is life.
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Assist.

Actually it does make sense. Because The Targaryens ruled Westeros for centuries. And they had peace when they ruled, back in the day.

That’s why (when they first met) Dany said to Jon: “Our 2 families have been ALLIES for centuries. And those were the BEST centuries the 7 Kingdoms has ever known. Centuries of Peace & Prosperity.... with a Targaryen sitting on the Iron Throne... and a Stark serving as Warden of the North.”

But the “Mad King” destroyed that whole ‘harmonious relationship’.... when he executed Ned’s Father (Rickard Stark) & his Older Brother (Brandon Stark).

That’s why the North still HATES & MISTRUSTS the Targaryens to this day. o_O

And that’s also why Dany asked Jon “to forgive House Targaryen for the crimes her father The Mad King committed against the Starks.”



But like Davos said in episode 1 on Sunday... “Northerners are loyal to the Starks. And they are stubborn as goats. If she wants their loyalty (back).... she has to EARN IT.”



Translation = Dany’s apology to Jon is not enough. Yes, it’s a good START... but she needs to do a whole lot MORE than just ‘throw her weight around’ & command everyone to ‘bend the knee’.... in order to gain the ENTIRE North’s loyalty, trust & respect once again.
 
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This is what doesn't make sense to me:

1) If you distrust Targaryens now, why does Robert Baratheon need to have Targarygen blood in order to be king?
It should have opened it up to others, like Jamie or Ned or whoever. (Jamie did sit on the throne and they made him give it up).

2) If you have centuries of peace with the Targaryen's then Dany is now here promising peace. Shouldn't the centuries mean more than 1 bad king?
If you trusted Robert, why not Dany now that you know she is a full Targaryen coming back to reclaim what belongs to her.

(I know when they find out about Jon, it will get super complicated cause he is now the Targaryen with the strongest claim to the throne. Will they trust him more or distrust him more? He is already on shaky ground for double crossing them and bowing to Dany now he is a full blooded Targaryen? Might be too much bullshit with this guy. Now he will be seen as "one of them".


grownazzblakman said:
Assist.

Actually it does make sense. Because The Targaryens ruled Westeros for centuries. And they had peace when they ruled, back in the day.

That’s why (when they first met) Dany said to Jon: “Our 2 families have been ALLIES for centuries. And those were the BEST centuries the 7 Kingdoms has ever known. Centuries of Peace & Prosperity.... with a Targaryen sitting on the Iron Throne... and a Stark serving as Warden of the North.”

But the “Mad King” destroyed that whole ‘harmonious relationship’.... when he executed Ned’s Father (Rickard Stark) & his Older Brother (Brandon Stark).

That’s why the North still HATES & MISTRUSTS the Targaryens to this day. o_O

And that’s also why Dany asked Jon “to forgive House Targaryen for the crimes her father The Mad King committed against the Starks.”



But like Davos said in episode 1 on Sunday... “Northerners are loyal to the Starks. And they are stubborn as goats. If she wants their loyalty (back).... she has to EARN IT.”



Translation = Dany’s apology to Jon is not enough. Yes, it’s a good START... but she needs to do a whole lot MORE than just ‘throw her weight around’ & command everyone to ‘bend the knee’.... in order to gain the ENTIRE North’s respect once again.
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TENT said:
This is what doesn't make sense to me:

1) If you distrust Targaryens now, why does Robert Baratheon need to have Targarygen blood in order to be king?
It should have opened it up to others, like Jamie or Ned or whoever. (Jamie did sit on the throne and they made him give it up).

2) If you have centuries of peace with the Targaryen's then Dany is now here promising peace. Shouldn't the centuries mean more than 1 bad king?
If you trusted Robert, why not Dany now that you know she is a full Targaryen coming back to reclaim what belongs to her.

(I know when they find out about Jon, it will get super complicated cause he is now the Targaryen with the strongest claim to the throne. Will they trust him more or distrust him more? He is already on shaky ground for double crossing them and bowing to Dany now he is a full blooded Targaryen? Might be too much bullshit with this guy. Now he will be seen as "one of them".
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All your questions will be answered by the end of the show. Keep in mind that GRRM himself and both Showrunners (Dan & Dave) said a while ago that the final outcome.... will be ‘bittersweet’. :smh:

Meaning that all that ‘hatred’ and ‘mistrust’ is gonna BITE a lot of people in the ass. Or most likely get themselves killed, as they continue to backstab each other, throw shade & make bad decisions. :smh:

Before its all said & done... Pretty sure those guys from the Nights Watch who stabbed Jon.... won’t be the ONLY folks who do something INCREDIBLY stupid to undermine the efforts of others who actually want to WIN the Great War. :rolleyes:

They ALL won’t be able to ‘let shit go’.... and just FOCUS on the bigger picture. :smh:

Whole lotta folks gonna DIE. BADLY. While casually sipping on some ‘Haterade’. :rolleyes:

And their Fans are gonna be MAD at their decisions.... while they are ‘bleeding out’ onscreen & the ‘closing credits’ are rolling. :rolleyes:

We gonna hear a lot of: “This is bullshit. This writing sucks!!” :hmm:

(Nah man, all the ‘signs’ were right there all along. ‘So and so’ never let that shit go. And just paid the price for being ‘petty’ at the wrong time. :yes:)

“If you think this story has a happy ending.... you haven’t been paying attention.” :cool:
 
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grownazzblakman said:
All your questions will be answered by the end of the show. Keep in mind that GRRM himself and both Showrunners (Dan & Dave) said a while ago that the final outcome.... will be ‘bittersweet’. :smh:

Meaning that all that ‘hatred’ and ‘mistrust’ is gonna BITE a lot of people in the ass. Or most likely get themselves killed, as they continue to backstab each other, throw shade & make bad decisions. :smh:

Before its all said & done... Pretty sure those guys from the Nights Watch who stabbed Jon.... won’t be the ONLY folks who do something INCREDIBLY stupid to undermine the efforts of others who actually want to WIN the Great War. :rolleyes:

They ALL won’t be able to ‘let shit go’.... and just FOCUS on the bigger picture. :smh:

Whole lotta folks gonna DIE. BADLY. While casually sipping on some ‘Haterade’. :rolleyes:

And their Fans are gonna be MAD at their decisions.... while they are ‘bleeding out’ onscreen & the ‘closing credits’ are rolling. :rolleyes:

We gonna hear a lot of: “This is bullshit. This writing sucks!!” :hmm:

(Nah man, all the ‘signs’ were right there all along. ‘So and so’ never let that shit go. And just paid the price for being ‘petty’ at the wrong time. :yes:)

“If you think this story has a happy ending.... you haven’t been paying attention.” :cool:
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Man, after watching episode one. I think Sansa, Varys and Tyrion is going to be the ones. That cause the most damage, as far as getting people killed. On the supposed good guy side. And I think they might flip the villian of the show. I think Sansa might be the main villian by the end of the show.
 
Dirtylakerie said:
Man, after watching episode one. I think Sansa, Varys and Tyrion is going to be the ones. That cause the most damage, as far as getting people killed. On the supposed good guy side. And I think they might flip the villian of the show. I think Sansa might be the main villian by the end of the show.
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Varys finna get knocked off like Lil Finger, i give him 1 or 2 more episodes... chaos is a latter... and yeah Sansa is rotten from all the bullshit she went thru, she doesn’t have best interest at hand, only revenge
 
Flawless said:
Robert had no legitmacy either, his distant Targaryen blood had nothing to do with him being king. Just like Rob Stark Robert started the Rebellion and went around getting houses to pledge to his cause. For that reason he became king.
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In the books in meant a lot and it was the reason given why he was king.
 
TENT said:
This is what doesn't make sense to me:

1) If you distrust Targaryens now, why does Robert Baratheon need to have Targarygen blood in order to be king?
It should have opened it up to others, like Jamie or Ned or whoever. (Jamie did sit on the throne and they made him give it up).

2) If you have centuries of peace with the Targaryen's then Dany is now here promising peace. Shouldn't the centuries mean more than 1 bad king?
If you trusted Robert, why not Dany now that you know she is a full Targaryen coming back to reclaim what belongs to her.

(I know when they find out about Jon, it will get super complicated cause he is now the Targaryen with the strongest claim to the throne. Will they trust him more or distrust him more? He is already on shaky ground for double crossing them and bowing to Dany now he is a full blooded Targaryen? Might be too much bullshit with this guy. Now he will be seen as "one of them".
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Bro. Robert didnt need Targaryen blood. It was a plus to bolster his claim. The King was killed and he noble son who everybody wanted be King was killed ... by the man who claimed the throne.

Again Dany is promising peace with no record.
 
TENT said:
@grownazzblakman

If Cersei wanted Jaime dead she should have done so when the Mountain was there at the end of season 7.
Wait, actually she did tell the Mountain to kill Jaime but the horrible show writers fucked that scene up.



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Of all your rants I agree with this one. I even told the board that night the scene was confusing.

Jaime says give the order then. And Cersi nods at the Mountain to kill him. Then the next cut Jamie walks away and the Mt does nothing.

I even said I think he follows Jamie out the room. Then someone on the board posts the scene to prove me wrong about that.

I saw the same thing you did. Thats not the writers though. You have to blame the editor for that one.
 
I got a weird feeling that the Iron Bank is gonna send someone to kill Cersei. I don’t think any of the characters who want to kill her will actually get the chance.
 
FJP said:
I got a weird feeling that the Iron Bank is gonna send someone to kill Cersei. I don’t think any of the characters who want to kill her will actually get the chance.
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She gone default on that loan.

Wasn't it stated there was no more

Gold on their land or that the

lannisters were broke?
 
Jay_from_dade said:
Of all your rants I agree with this one. I even told the board that night the scene was confusing.

Jaime says give the order then. And Cersi nods at the Mountain to kill him. Then the next cut Jamie walks away and the Mt does nothing.

I even said I think he follows Jamie out the room. Then someone on the board posts the scene to prove me wrong about that.

I saw the same thing you did. Thats not the writers though. You have to blame the editor for that one.
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I think she said I could have you

Killed. The mountain steps up and

Partially unsheathed his sword, but

Cersi didn't give him the nod to do it.

That's when Jamie walks out, he knew

She wouldn't give the order.
 
FJP said:
For those who seem to believe Cersei is so smart and cunning.... she grew up under her father who was one of the wisest men in the world .... heard all the folklore about the dragons(field of fire battle etc.) and lived in the Red Keep most of her damn life with giant dragon skulls in the basement .... yet...

Her dumb ass sees 2 living grown dragons ..... an army of savages and eunuchs .... led by a dude who came back to life and a woman who is fireproof come with proof of an undead enemy that won’t stop ... and ask for help

Somehow believes she’s going to beat the the Night King and of them with 20,000 regular men......

Explain to me how y’all think she’s smart ?
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My only thought is that she thinks Jon & Danerys will weaken the Night King to the point where she polish off the rest with her meager forces.

But yeah man, they done told and SHOWED her what they're ALL up against and what kind of weaponry they bringing to the fight and she STILL is stubborn.
 
I've heard some say Bran is the Night King, and some say Bran was the old guy living under the tree, which is he?
 
Flawless said:
I've heard some say Bran is the Night King, and some say Bran was the old guy living under the tree, which is he?
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Bran is a Warg, Greenseyer and and 3 eyed Raven so any thing is possible lol.

There are theories that he warged into Bran the builder to create the wall, the Mad King and burn them all was for the army of the dead and not Westeros... but the theory that he is Night King wasnt really only based on nuthin tangible
 
Thinking about it even more I definitely think the Iron Bank is going to get Cersei killed. Remember when they ran back the recap it showed her talking to the bank representative about hiring the Golden company and remember he said “Yes we’ve used them a few times to retrieve debts”.....

She will default on the loan ..... they will pay the GC more money than she can and have them kill her cause they will already near her. Then they will go back to Essos because from what I understand the white walkers can’t cross the great sea.
 
:hmm:

If she defaults on the loan it will be years from now, the war will not last that long. If Cersei dies it will not be by the iron bank. I see a 0% chance of any of that happening
 

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