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The beef between the sisters just isn't believable imo. It needed more time and build imo
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The beef between the sisters just isn't believable imo. It needed more time and build imo
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reminds me of the scene in breaking bad where Walt put his watch on the tables, cats had 5 page discussion about it. When the writers were asked about it, they said they thought it was a cool scene and it held no significance.
Peace,
Cats defend the indefensible because they love the show and ALL logic goes out of the window.
I think The Wire is the finest drama of all time but even I couldn't defend that dumb ass fake serial killer plot in the final season. Sometimes the writers just drop the ball.
Cats defend the indefensible because they love the show and ALL logic goes out of the window.
I think The Wire is the finest drama of all time but even I couldn't defend that dumb ass fake serial killer plot in the final season. Sometimes the writers just drop the ball.
the night king was watching shit go down then seen dany with her dragons. dude was like" oh you got dragons and shit. hold up "yo ice cold, pass me that frost bit spear, i'm playing duck hunt with dragons. he's a bad mf. i know jon snow got the night king's full attention by now.
I'm not moving any goalposts... especially when it comes to 'chronology of events'..
In fact... i'm the guy who had a long-ass debate about 'the passage of time' in Westeros... about a week or 2, ago.
I've never complained about the 'pacing'.
Its a fantasy show.
I don't need all that shit 'spelled out' for me to understand what's going on.
But that's just me.
For example...
Why would YOU ever think that the Wildlings who LIVED North of the Wall for centuries.... would ever 'freeze to death'?
Or Jorah from Bear Island, which is in the North...
Or Jon Snow who grew up in Winterfell,...
Or any of the (battle-tested) Warriors like the Hound, or Beric Dondarrion... would ever 'freeze to death'?
They all wrapped up in several layers of POLAR BEAR SKINS & FURS.
Personally, I don't need to see anything more than THAT.
Now if they had some Dothraki up there with them... Sure, I would agree with you.
But NOT this group of 'hard-cases'. They not freezing to Death. Not anytime soon. Unless they fell in the water.
The Rangers from the Night's Watch.... be out there for MONTHS.
Uncle Benjen (even before he was half-dead).... be out there for MONTHS.
Without freezing.
So I'm not showing up in season 7.... with complaints.... about the temperature.
Why would YOU ever think that the Wildlings who LIVED North of the Wall for centuries.... would ever 'freeze to death'?
Or Jorah from Bear Island, which is in the North...
Or Jon Snow who grew up in Winterfell,...
Or any of the (battle-tested) Warriors like the Hound, or Beric Dondarrion... would ever 'freeze to death'?
They all wrapped up in several layers of POLAR BEAR SKINS & FURS.
Personally, I don't need to see anything more than THAT.
Now if they had some Dothraki up there with them... Sure, I would agree with you.
But NOT this group of 'hard-cases'.
They not freezing to Death. Not anytime soon. Unless they fell in the water. The Rangers from the Night's Watch.... be out there for MONTHS.
Uncle Benjen (even before he was half-dead).... be out there for MONTHS.
Without freezing.
So I'm not showing up in season 7.... with complaints.... about the temperature.
i swear that serial killer shit stuck out like a sore thumb on that show. that was probably the weakest shit they ever did. at least that shit didn't drop the ball like lost did.
Grrm I believe stopped writing the episodes seasons ago. I hear he just gave them how it all ends.
They have been bringing in other writers to fill in to get to the end game.
It's no longer consistent like the first few seasons. They are killing off storylines and rushing through others simply to get to the last main story.
It's not the best but it's what we got.
Grrm shoulda finished those books years ago.
They have been bringing in other writers to fill in to get to the end game.
It's no longer consistent like the first few seasons. They are killing off storylines and rushing through others simply to get to the last main story.
It's not the best but it's what we got.
Grrm shoulda finished those books years ago.
My thoughts and some questions on Leaked episode
Where did the 3rd dragon go after the Night King killed the One He just flew by and was never seen again. I guess he was like oh these ninjas got Ice Spears I'm out!!!! lol I assumed Dany had some way to control them but I guess it's only the one she's riding. I would also like to know what the leader of an undead army got their hands on 4 huge ass iron chains in the middle of Antartica? LOL
I thought the scenes were really intense and real. I just don't get Arya's action at the end, was she trying to tell Sansa. I'm not your enemy or was she trying to just punk her?
In general I thought all the dialog was really good and offered a lot of character development and closure for a few people. Very similar to those 1 on 1 scenes in season 2
Boy they really foreshadowed their future relationship. When he called her Dany, I was like they going to the Luke/Princess Leia angle here like in Empire Strikes back. She let him know she can't have kids to. That pretty much kills any kind of hooking up scenario to me.
There's really no way around it. The writers have just said fuck even a semi-believable timeline for the sake of the action.I didn't mind it this episode so much because the extended 1 on 1 character scenes made up for it. No silly throw away scenes in this one like Sam and Gilly from last week
Not at all.
There is a 'good reason' why I don't complain about the timeline....
"Various characters have always moved at the speed which the plot requires."
Maybe you missed it...
But allow me to quote myself...
Welp, since I can’t convince you…. I’ll let GRRM himself
George R.R. Martin Interview (just watch 35 seconds of this interview…. from the 27:32 to 28:07 mark…. then keep on reading below)
Also George RR Martin talks about CHRONOLOGY in his books
Here is a screenshot of the “Foreward” section of his book “A Song of Ice & Fire”...
“A Song of Ice and Fire is told through the eyes of characters who are sometimes hundreds or even thousands of miles apart from one another. Some chapters cover a day, some only an hour; others might span a fortnight, a month, half a year. With such a structure, the narrative cannot be strictly sequential; sometimes important things are happening simultaneously, a thousand leagues apart.” - George RR Martin
Bryan Cogman is one of the Producers of Game of Thrones.
Here is a direct quote from him:
“The timelines between the various storylines don’t necessarily line up within a given episode.
To Sum up….
Therefore, various characters have always moved at the speed which the plot requires.
- All the storylines are told from several different ‘points of view’.
- So when you are watching a single episode & the scenery changes from Winterfell to say Mereen, or King's Landing..... we are now watching the story from somebody else's point of view
- But some of these events might (or might not) be happening at the same time. (according to GRRM himself
“This is to avoid things like, say, Arya spending four episodes on a boat.” - Bryan Cogman
The tv show would drag on FOREVER if they did everything sequentially (like a normal tv format) and we see Arya on a boat traveling to Braavos for multiple episodes… while Dany is invading a city in Essos.... or while Jon Snow is fighting off a Wildling Army at the Wall... or while Cersei is attending several Small Council meetings in Kings Landing.
But most people just ‘get it’.... once they realize that Winter lasts for well over a Decade.
So they don’t blame ‘lazy writing’.... because its not much of an issue.
Additional Sources:
https://winteriscoming.net/2016/06/27/how-did-varys-travel-between-dorne-and-meereen-so-quickly/
https://winteriscoming.net/2016/06/...er-explains-how-characters-travel-so-quickly/
^^^^THis. Fucking this.
Peace,
I'm not moving any goalposts... especially when it comes to 'chronology of events'..
In fact... i'm the guy who had a long-ass debate about 'the passage of time' in Westeros... about a week or 2, ago.
I've never complained about the 'pacing'.
Its a fantasy show.
I don't need all that shit 'spelled out' for me to understand what's going on.
But that's just me.
For example...
Why would YOU ever think that the Wildlings who LIVED North of the Wall for centuries.... would ever 'freeze to death'?
Or Jorah from Bear Island, which is in the North...
Or Jon Snow who grew up in Winterfell,...
Or any of the (battle-tested) Warriors like the Hound, or Beric Dondarrion... would ever 'freeze to death'?
They all wrapped up in several layers of POLAR BEAR SKINS & FURS.
Personally, I don't need to see anything more than THAT.
Now if they had some Dothraki up there with them... Sure, I would agree with you.
But NOT this group of 'hard-cases'.
The Rangers from the Night's Watch.... be out there for MONTHS.
Uncle Benjen (even before he was half-dead).... be out there for MONTHS.
Without freezing.
So I'm not showing up in season 7.... with complaints.... about the temperature.
I'm not necessarily checking for your posts, so I'm unfamiliar with your treaty on the passage of Westerosian time. I'll have to assume that since you're such a student, you can clearly understand that it would take WEEKS for all of those events to transpire. Meanwhile, they don't eat, shit or freeze to death.
They had one wildling in the crew. Some of the others were Northerners, yes, but this is cold that none of them have ever experienced (that's not to mention that neither Beric nor the Hound aren't even from the North but let's just ignore that). I don't give a damn what kind of hardened warrior you are, you're not going to be impervious to hypothermia.
Why don't you just admit that your love for the show blinds you, at least to some degree, to its faults? No one is going to blame you for successfully suspending disbelief. Just don't try to shit on those of us who have a problem with the absurd pacing of this season.
They had one wildling in the crew. Some of the others were Northerners, yes, but this is cold that none of them have ever experienced (that's not to mention that neither Beric nor the Hound aren't even from the North but let's just ignore that). I don't give a damn what kind of hardened warrior you are, you're not going to be impervious to hypothermia.
Why don't you just admit that your love for the show blinds you, at least to some degree, to its faults? No one is going to blame you for successfully suspending disbelief. Just don't try to shit on those of us who have a problem with the absurd pacing of this season.
The fast pacing of people traveling and, stuff seems fast, but time does pass. I like the sped up approach cause they don't have time for shit to linger anymore. I knew Jon wasnt dead, so I was thinking damn we have to wait another episode for him to get back to east wall and send a raven. Nope, this episode shit was resolved and we move on. Its working for me.
Peace,
I'll come back to this. I've got an interview tomorrow morning and I'm trying to be fresh as a daisy for that shit. Peace, man.
Not at all.
There is a 'good reason' why I don't complain about the timeline....
"Various characters have always moved at the speed which the plot requires."
Maybe you missed it...
But allow me to quote myself...
I'll come back to this. I've got an interview tomorrow morning and I'm trying to be fresh as a daisy for that shit. Peace, man.
Tormund and the Hound
Hound and the wight lol
This made me sooo mad. It was all his fault they got attacked so soon. He just couldn't stand still. HAD to freaking fidget. ;smh:
I'm not necessarily checking for your posts, so I'm unfamiliar with your treaty on the passage of Westerosian time. I'll have to assume that since you're such a student, you can clearly understand that it would take WEEKS for all of those events to transpire. I completely AGREE. It could take WEEKS. You are correct. But since you wrote this.. I will assume you did NOT watch the 30 seconds of the video I posted... and/or you didn't read the 'foreward' the author himself has written. Because George RR Martin CLEARLY explained that events are happening along different timelines. None of them are synced up. And none of them are LINEAR. which is what folks are used to seeing in a movie, or tv show. One event. Then the next event. Then the next.
So my understanding of this... is why i personally don't have a problem with the chronology.
Meanwhile, they don't eat, shit or freeze to death. Personally, I don't need to see anyone eating, or shitting in ANY episode to understand that sometimes 'nature calls'... and people take a shit (off-camera)... or they have a meal (off-camera). But that's just me.
They had one wildling in the crew. Some of the others were Northerners, yes, but this is cold that none of them have ever experienced (that's not to mention that neither Beric nor the Hound aren't even from the North but let's just ignore that). I don't give a damn what kind of hardened warrior you are, you're not going to be impervious to hypothermia. Disagree. Jon spent almost 2 WHOLE SEASONS living North of the Wall. The one person who I thought would suffer THE MOST from the cold was Gendry. (because he was the least 'seasoned' combatant) And he almost DIED out there. So that was good enough for me.
Therefore, I could easily believe the rest of them would survive the cold in the North.
These guys been all over Westeros. And survived Worse. Just how I look at it.
Especially when they have two guys who worship the 'Lord of Light' who just happened to be carrying FLAMING SWORDS to keep everyone else warm, if need be... That's another reason I never thought they would freeze to death.
But again, I don't need stuff like that spelled out for me. They don't need to (literally) SHOW ME everyone 'huddled around two flaming swords' to help me understand that they would not freeze to death so quickly.... just like they don't need to (literally) SHOW ME the change from 'day to night to day' over and over again. The sleeping scene was enough for me to understand that 'time was passing'. (More than 1 day, at the very least.)
Why don't you just admit that your love for the show blinds you, at least to some degree, to its faults? No one is going to blame you for successfully suspending disbelief. Just don't try to shit on those of us who have a problem with the absurd pacing of this season. Maybe the pacing is a little bit quicker than previous seasons... I don't think so personally.... but I sure as hell am not going to 'start complaining' about it after 7 seasons... especially when I've known for 2 years IN ADVANCE... that there's only 8 episodes left.... But that's just me.
It is what it is.
Btw, I'm not (intentionally) shitting on you.
All I thought I did... was provide a 'counter argument'.
If you felt I was overboard.... My bad, bruh. Forgive me.
Never meant to come off like that.
In fact, I'ma just chill & stop posting in this thread until the episode drops on Sunday.
Peace.
It could take WEEKS. You are correct. But since you wrote this.. I will assume you did NOT watch the 30 seconds of the video I posted... and/or you didn't read the 'foreward' the author himself has written. Because George RR Martin CLEARLY explained that events are happening along different timelines. None of them are synced up. And none of them are LINEAR. which is what folks are used to seeing in a movie, or tv show. One event. Then the next event. Then the next. So my understanding of this... is why i personally don't have a problem with the chronology.
Meanwhile, they don't eat, shit or freeze to death. Personally, I don't need to see anyone eating, or shitting in ANY episode to understand that sometimes 'nature calls'... and people take a shit (off-camera)... or they have a meal (off-camera). But that's just me.
They had one wildling in the crew. Some of the others were Northerners, yes, but this is cold that none of them have ever experienced (that's not to mention that neither Beric nor the Hound aren't even from the North but let's just ignore that). I don't give a damn what kind of hardened warrior you are, you're not going to be impervious to hypothermia. Disagree. Jon spent almost 2 WHOLE SEASONS living North of the Wall. The one person who I thought would suffer THE MOST from the cold was Gendry.
(because he was the least 'seasoned' combatant) And he almost DIED out there. So that was good enough for me. Therefore, I could easily believe the rest of them would survive the cold in the North.
These guys been all over Westeros. And survived Worse.
Just how I look at it. Especially when they have two guys who worship the 'Lord of Light' who just happened to be carrying FLAMING SWORDS to keep everyone else warm, if need be... That's another reason I never thought they would freeze to death.
But again, I don't need stuff like that spelled out for me. They don't need to (literally) SHOW ME everyone 'huddled around two flaming swords' to help me understand that they would not freeze to death so quickly.... just like they don't need to (literally) SHOW ME the change from 'day to night to day' over and over again. The sleeping scene was enough for me to understand that 'time was passing'. (More than 1 day, at the very least.)
Why don't you just admit that your love for the show blinds you, at least to some degree, to its faults? No one is going to blame you for successfully suspending disbelief. Just don't try to shit on those of us who have a problem with the absurd pacing of this season. Maybe the pacing is a little bit quicker than previous seasons... I don't think so personally.... but I sure as hell am not going to 'start complaining' about it after 7 seasons... especially when I've known for 2 years IN ADVANCE... that there's only 8 episodes left.... But that's just me.
It is what it is.
Btw, I'm not (intentionally) shitting on you.
All I thought I did... was provide a 'counter argument'.
If you felt I was overboard.... My bad, bruh. Forgive me.
Never meant to come off like that.
In fact, I'ma just chill & stop posting in this thread until the episode drops on Sunday.
Peace.
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Yeah he fucked them.
That wight was like fuck waiting lol
He wanted to put hands on the Hound.
That wight was like fuck waiting lol
He wanted to put hands on the Hound.
I had to watch the episode because there was no way I could avoid Twitter, Facebook, and internet spoilers until Sunday...not to mention on here. Shit, these dudes not knowing how to use spoiler tags
few more questions?
So they showed a lot more about what wights are capable of tonight. The first wight from season 1 or 2 at the Wall was relatively fresh when he re-animated but seemed basically like a zombie. Mindless attacking the first thing he saw.
Tonight they showed us wight who seemed to be able to think independently or was that just what it looked like and the Walkers were actually controlling them the whole time. The wight who they captured seemed to understand that he was surrounded and was looking to escape before they jumped him.
I also noticed that when the ice first broke the wights kept pushing forward and falling in until at a certain point they all stopped at once.
Just so many interesting things happened in this episode that make me wonder to what extent the walkers can control the wights as an individual unit vs a group.
Tonight they showed us wight who seemed to be able to think independently or was that just what it looked like and the Walkers were actually controlling them the whole time. The wight who they captured seemed to understand that he was surrounded and was looking to escape before they jumped him.
I also noticed that when the ice first broke the wights kept pushing forward and falling in until at a certain point they all stopped at once.
Just so many interesting things happened in this episode that make me wonder to what extent the walkers can control the wights as an individual unit vs a group.
They were there for apparently hours upon hours as the walkers waited for the lake to entirely freeze over.... so the timeline isnt THAT huge of a stretch there in that regard...Remember they actually fell asleep and the priest had time to die in his sleep..Safe to say that was a 6-12 hour time lapse there.. Pacing still a bit off tho.
Dont quote spoilers man. Edit that quote bro.
It took DAYS. Not hours.
Plus it took awhile for the lake to freeze over again, before the Army of the Dead could cross it. Ever see a lake freeze solid?? Solid enough to support the weight of an Army, all at the same time? That doesn't happen in just a matter of hours.
People keep thinking that because the Director doesnt literally show 'time changing' from day to night to day again... that everything is happening in just a matter of minutes, or a matter of hours.... because it all takes place in one single episode.
Fucking thank you for this... thank you mutherfucker and preach.
They don't have the time to take 2 fucking episodes to show someone walk to castle black like the old days. They have to get the grit...
It took fucking 4 seasons to finally get to some real White walker shit and now Kats are upset because we are seeing too much action.
There is no such thing as too much.
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Naccum edit and put this in a spoiler tag.
How would you feel if some of the dudes like myself just went around spoiler movies before they come out because we get around of scripts or early DVD screeners. Let people be shocked... ain't nobody coming into this thread on Wednesday wanting to hear about an episode they might want to see Sunday..
Especially when most of the time... we discuss the previous weeks episode during the week.
A BAN is in order.
Edit your quote and put it in a spoiler... because it is a major reveal. Hopefully the Fam that posted this crap will edit his post for the brethren
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Type [ spoiler] type your spoiler ass shit [ /spoiler]
Just remove the spaces in the tags.. it's easy.
Do I need to spoiler what I wrote?
I tried to write it in general terms
the action has been good...but the dialogue/interaction between characters has suffered a bit dating back to last season imo...too many glib/cliche moments...I notice it esp. after rewatching so many clips from previous seasons...shit every time tyrion and dany have spoken this season it's practically been the same ass discussion
Done. Good call.
I forgot. ThanksSimilar threads
