Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

[Artist Monk]

Ramsey put the book of Zod on Sansa's back and read aloud from the Alayah Sashu scriptures.

I remember that scene!

 

[Amajorfucup]

I didn't chide anyone. I just disagreed that just because she was a dumb kid means she deserved to be raped. I think you said she deserved everything she got. I disagree.

Fair enough. She brought it on herself. And her decision to marry him when Littlefinger gave her an out is on her.

No. He was given. By Balon. They didn't come in sack the city and take Theon. Balon gave him as a hostage. And theon wasn't treated badly. Robb saw him as a brother. They kind of all did. Jon and Theon had a little static but for the most part kids were raised together. All the kids loved Jon and saw Jon as 1 of them. Sansa didn't really treat him that great. But that was because she took her cues from her mother.

Everyone else treated the kids pretty much the same.

Regardless of how he was treated, or how he became a "hostage", he wasnt allowed to leave. Thats effectively a kidnapping. Semantics.

ya the scene wasn't even as bad as I was expecting it to be after reading the comments...as someone said daeny endured worse...shit to this day the most horrifying scene in that show is when robb queen got stabbed in the stomach...rewatched the red wedding the other day and that shit still fucks w/ me hard

Now that you mention it, stabbing a showing pregnant woman to death in the stomach- at a wedding no less- is arguably one of the most violent things ive ever seen on television.

 

[silentking]

wow and as I finished typing that I googled GoT to see exactly how far the show is in relation to the books and come across this article

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/game-of-thrones-is-gross-exploitative-and-totally-out-1705235364

That article was some bullshit. Basically, they saying if the girl who got raped in the books would have gotten raped it would be all good....but its a problem because it was Sansa, who they mistakenly refer to as "one of the show's most sympathetic characters." This is CAC outrage at the pretty white girl gettin done dirty. Deal with it bitches....aint no ACLU in Westeros.

 

[SamSneed]

Aye! Fuck that cac bitch

Yeah I like dragon bitch but I ain't gonna cry like yall cryin in this bitch over her

I'm dyin

Black dynamite would slap the shit out of all yall sheddin tears over that bitch

 

[LSN]

That article was some bullshit. Basically, they saying if the girl who got raped in the books would have gotten raped it would be all good....but its a problem because it was Sansa, who they mistakenly refer to as "one of the show's most sympathetic characters." This is CAC outrage at the pretty white girl gettin done dirty. Deal with it bitches....aint no ACLU in Westeros.

I don't care about the rape part...there's more to the article than that...in lines of what I was mentioning to amajor I was focused more so on them noticing that the writers may indeed be painting themselves into a corner as they deviate farther from the book...the article also mentions other events in this ep as well as previous eps...going back to the sansa scene based on the comments in this thread I thought that would've been a powerful moving scene...based on the camerawork tho it's like they wanted you to focus more on how theon was being tormented than sansa...it didn't quite draw the emotion from me it was supposed to and that's what the article was alluding to in terms of her being raped

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

That article was some bullshit. Basically, they saying if the girl who got raped in the books would have gotten raped it would be all good....but its a problem because it was Sansa, who they mistakenly refer to as "one of the show's most sympathetic characters." This is CAC outrage at the pretty white girl gettin done dirty. Deal with it bitches....aint no ACLU in Westeros.

Yea no outrage. I'm against outrage. It's the show. It's what goes down in the show. You don't have to like it but don't make it a congressional issue. The show displays fucked up shit and this ain't the first time this happened on the show.

The show did a good job of lulling me into thinking Ramsay was going to be a human. and then ramsay went ramsay

 

[lengthy]

Man, I have no clue what Little Finger is doing

Little Finger is collecting all the power strongholds/alliances and power he can outside of Kings Landing. Look:

1 - He was given Harrenhall - almost impregnable (only the dragons can get through to it and thats cuz they fly)

2 - He rules the Vale (sp?), again via legitimate means, no army can fuck w the vale

3 - He trying to get the North/Winterfell one way or the other, either from Sansa or Cersei+Tommen's royal degree.

4 - He and Mama Tyrell got that alliance going when they off'd Joffrey...far as I know they still on good terms.

3 of these 4 come with Armies - Tyrells, The North, The Vale. Only Harrenhall is empty but that can be a base for the sell-swords he pays off.

So right now Lord Petyr Baelish got more power that most people realize. And he still hustling like its Day 1



Mr Lengthy

 

[silentking]

I don't care about the rape part...there's more to the article than that...in lines of what I was mentioning to amajor I was focused more so on them noticing that the writers may indeed be painting themselves into a corner as they deviate farther from the book...the article also mentions other events in this ep as well as previous eps...going back to the sansa scene based on the comments in this thread I thought that would've been a powerful moving scene...based on the camerawork tho it's like they wanted you to focus more on how theon was being tormented than sansa

I feel you...and I thought about your take on it as I was typing my response....but had to go in on the bullshit outrage.

I think its easy to shit on the writers right now cuz its "off script," but we'll have to wait and see if the focus on Theon had any significance....which I suspect it did. Aside from the shitty directing in the Dorne fight scene, I had no problems with last night's episode.

 

[Nobody]

For it to be rape she gotta say no. Sansa didnt like what was happening...but she had no expectation of liking it. Nevertheless....she was down. Yall trying to rewrite the rape statute to include "discomfort".

nope.

the absence of a no doesn't mean yes.

she could fear so much for her safety that she goes along, against her will with a sexual act.

at this point, I'm not even talking about the show, you absolutely have to know these things, unless you think pleading ignorance is going to save you from prison.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I feel you...and I thought about your take on it as I was typing my response....but had to go in on the bullshit outrage.

I think its easy to shit on the writers right now cuz its "off script," but we'll have to wait and see if the focus on Theon had any significance....which I suspect it did. Aside from the shitty directing in the Dorne fight scene, I had no problems with last night's episode.

the show hasn't slacked a minute imo.
i think they want to shit on the writers because the smug look of knowing what's coming has been wiped off of thousands of faces and they don't like that shit

 

[LSN]

I feel you...and I thought about your take on it as I was typing my response....but had to go in on the bullshit outrage.

I think its easy to shit on the writers right now cuz its "off script," but we'll have to wait and see if the focus on Theon had any significance....which I suspect it did. Aside from the shitty directing in the Dorne fight scene, I had no problems with last night's episode.

I did...first ep I had a problem w/ as a whole...and the article nailed a lot of it well imo...the article is not an "outrage rape" piece if you really read it

 

[Count23]

playing devil's advocate here a bit...but some say the last ep was the beginning of the end as the show took its 1st big step away from the book by killing off selmy playing off of the books there was a lot to cram into each ep...as the writers begin to deviate from it...the writing might become more 'TVish' for a severely extreme lack of a better word...but they might start stretching/drawing shit out a bit more...this is the 5th season...and w/ all they've skipped they will soon run out of material

at the end of the day, grrm is involved in the show's production, and has already told them how it ends. at this point i just treat g.o.t the same as the walking dead; tv and books are different entities have similar points

 

[Nobody]

Little Finger is collecting all the power strongholds/alliances and power he can outside of Kings Landing. Look:

1 - He was given Harrenhall - almost impregnable (only the dragons can get through to it and thats cuz they fly)

2 - He rules the Vale (sp?), again via legitimate means, no army can fuck w the vale

3 - He trying to get the North/Winterfell one way or the other, either from Sansa or Cersei+Tommen's royal degree.

4 - He and Mama Tyrell got that alliance going when they off'd Joffrey...far as I know they still on good terms.

3 of these 4 come with Armies - Tyrells, The North, The Vale. Only Harrenhall is empty but that can be a base for the sell-swords he pays off.

So right now Lord Petyr Baelish got more power that most people realize. And he still hustling like its Day 1



Mr Lengthy

Yep. If he succeeds he can take the throne by force like Robert Baratheon, or he can play the long game and sire a child that would take the throne by marriage.

 

[silentking]

nope.

the absence of a no doesn't mean yes.

she could fear so much for her safety that she goes along, against her will with a sexual act.

at this point, I'm not even talking about the show, you absolutely have to know these things, unless you think pleading ignorance is going to save you from prison.

as it applies to life in 2015...I feel you. But gtfoh thinking that logic has any place on GoT.

 

[LSN]

at the end of the day, grrm is involved in the show's production, and has already told them how it ends. at this point i just treat g.o.t the same as the walking dead; tv and books are different entities have similar points

it was the only ep I can say I didn't enjoy and again just playing dev's advocate for a moment...so I'm still fully in for the ride...that being said leave that piece of shit show walking dead out of this...that show pretty much failed from the start imo...the WORST mistake they made was not being true to the comic @ least for the first couple of seasons...EASILY would've been up there w/ GoT if they had imo...easily...to be fair being on AMC ties your hands to your back a little

 

[silentking]

I did...first ep I had a problem w/ as a whole...and the article nailed a lot of it well imo...the article is not an "outrage rape" piece if you really read it

Like I said...I feel your take on it. I disagree about last night's episode though. And as I said, I focused on the outrage in my initial response but I grasped the broader point of the article....I just disagree. It's easy to shit on the writers right now cuz you dont know where they're going. If, at the end of the season or the series, the turns in last nights episode dont play a part....then I'll agree. But watching it....it felt like what I expect from an episode of GoT...minus the shitty fight scene.

 

[Nobody]

as it applies to life in 2015...I feel you. But gtfoh thinking that logic has any place on GoT.

I'm not talking about that. But its pretty clear based off posts how people think about real life based on what they see portrayed. As did you.

Anyway, I'm done with it. The outrage people have is silly, its a rough scene, but there's more pressing shit people should be vocal about than a tv show.

 

[silentking]

I'm not talking about that. But its pretty clear based off posts how people think about real life based on what they see portrayed. As did you.

Anyway, I'm done with it. The outrage people have is silly, its a rough scene, but there's more pressing shit people should be vocal about than a tv show.

Forgive me for being less well-versed on the ins and outs of rape than you. I'll chalk it up to experience on your part and a lack thereof on mine.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

These dudes will literally change facts to suit their warped logic.

I wonder if you guys know that consensual sex can turn into rape. Or that a husband can rape his wife.

You're a law abiding citizen? Your fucked up view of sex can land you behind bars. Better be careful.

I've been saying for awhile these beings are a danger. Spend enough time really paying attention to what they say. You'll see it.

 

[grownazzblakman]

exactly...we've seen the dudes who play jamie + bronn in classic scenes...seems like they almost had to tone it down to fight these small ass chics who are probably doing their first fight scenes EVER

^^^ Totally Agree.

 

[godofwine]

Watching this scene I was like " I bet they don't let one of these bitches die" tv always going soft on women

women and kids. Off subject, one of the reasons I'm looking forward to the recent Jurassic Park movie is that they finally look like they're going to kill some kids. Why do people give that much of a shit, its TV kids and fake not real violence. I wrote a short story where a kid got gobbled the fuck up by a beast. Why? Because it fiction and you can do that shit

 

[veritech]

I wonder if you guys know that consensual sex can turn into rape. Or that a husband can rape his wife.

You're a law abiding citizen? Your fucked up view of sex can land you behind bars. Better be careful.

why u pretending that was was law back then.

 

[grownazzblakman]

the show hasn't slacked a minute imo.
i think they want to shit on the writers because the smug look of knowing what's coming has been wiped off of thousands of faces and they don't like that shit

^^^ THIS.

 

[Nobody]

why u pretending that was was law back then.

man...im talking about the reaction people have in here TODAY about it.

you can't be this dense...

 

[grownazzblakman]

ON A SIDENOTE….

I’m real curious to see how well Brienne of Tarth is TRAINING Podrick to fight.

They need to show a ‘sparring session’ or something.

Maybe Podrick will showoff how much his ‘fight game’ has improved by Episode 9…. when shit ALWAYS ‘hits the fan’… and the biggest battle of the Season takes place.

And Btw, where are the “Brothers Without Banners’?
What ever happened to these dudes after they sold Gendry to Mellisandre?

They kinda just 'fell off the map' by the end of Season 3.

Wonder if they Will they show up by Episode 9 in this Season 5?

 

[Joe Money]

Look at this bullshit

People are clowning but Oberyn couldn't really fight either. It's just that his fight scene against The Mountain was better shot and directed.

Ramsey put the book of Zod on Sansa's back and read aloud from the Alayah Sashu scriptures.

 

[grownazzblakman]

Little Finger is collecting all the power strongholds/alliances and power he can outside of Kings Landing. Look:

1 - He was given Harrenhall - almost impregnable (only the dragons can get through to it and thats cuz they fly)

2 - He rules the Vale (sp?), again via legitimate means, no army can fuck w the vale

3 - He trying to get the North/Winterfell one way or the other, either from Sansa or Cersei+Tommen's royal degree.

4 - He and Mama Tyrell got that alliance going when they off'd Joffrey...far as I know they still on good terms.

3 of these 4 come with Armies - Tyrells, The North, The Vale. Only Harrenhall is empty but that can be a base for the sell-swords he pays off.

So right now Lord Petyr Baelish got more power that most people realize. And he still hustling like its Day 1

Mr Lengthy

^^ Agreed.

Plus I think LittleFinger's ultimate 'end game' is this....

He thrives on Chaos.
Chaos is his 'ladder' to the Iron Throne.
He wants to be 'the last man standing'... as the King of Westeros... amidst the Chaos.

And he wants A STARK... as his wife, if/or when he ever becomes King.
But he wants ‘a Stark Woman’…. TO WANT HIM (ie to ‘fall in love’ willingly, on her own).. just as much… as he wants Her.

If her Mom (Caitlyn) were still alive… he would probably be scheming like this just as hard… to rekindle that relationship & win her heart.

But he will settle for Sansa… since she’s the LAST (female) Stark left… and he knows that deep-down inside SHE is just like Margery Tyrell, in a certain way.

i.e. She always wanted to be ‘THE QUEEN’ (more than anything).
Not just ‘a queen’.

So he’s playing the ultimate 'Captain-Save-A-Hoe' role (on steroids) towards Sansa…

Think about it..

He saved Sansa from King Joffrey... by killing him off.

But that was not enough to make her fall in love with him... because she was too young & traumatized (at the time) to have any real control over her own emotions.

- So he convinces her to wed another monster (Ramsay).
- IF she gets revenge and kills off Ramsay somehow… he will take ALL the credit.
- But if She doesn’t kill him… he will ’swoop in’… and do it FOR HER…. yet again.

This way, he looks like the ultimate ‘good guy’…. when compared to all her other ex-husbands.

But this time, she won’t be ‘too young’ for him.… plus she won’t be a ‘virgin’ anymore… and she can ‘show him some gratitude’.

Bottom line… I think Littlefinger wants Sansa to TREAT him like her aunt Lysa Arryn did (as far as the sex goes)… but WITHOUT all the extremely ‘crazy shit’, erratic behavior & ‘emotional baggage’ that came along with Lysa’s insecurities & jealousy)

I’d bet his ‘perfect woman’ has Sansa looks + Lysa’s Sex drive + Caitlyn’s maturity & demeanor.

Which is all found in that Stark bloodline.

Remember, Lord Peytr Baelish is a TRUE PIMP.

So he prolly trynna ‘bring it out’ of Sansa....… without her even realizing it.

 

[silentking]

^^ Agreed.

Plus I think LittleFinger's ultimate 'end game' is this....

He thrives on Chaos.
Chaos is his 'ladder' to the Iron Throne.
He wants to be 'the last man standing'... as the King of Westeros... amidst the Chaos.

And he wants A STARK... as his wife, if/or when he ever becomes King.
But he wants ‘a Stark Woman’…. TO WANT HIM (ie to ‘fall in love’ willingly, on her own).. just as much… as he wants Her.

If her Mom (Caitlyn) were still alive… he would probably be scheming like this just as hard… to rekindle that relationship & win her heart.

But he will settle for Sansa… since she’s the LAST (female) Stark left… and he knows that deep-down inside SHE is just like Margery Tyrell, in a certain way.

i.e. She always wanted to be ‘THE QUEEN’ (more than anything).
Not just ‘a queen’.

So he’s playing the ultimate 'Captain-Save-A-Hoe' role (on steroids) towards Sansa…

Think about it..

He saved Sansa from King Joffrey... by killing him off.

But that was not enough to make her fall in love with him... because she was too young & traumatized (at the time) to have any real control over her own emotions.

- So he convinces her to wed another monster (Ramsay).
- IF she gets revenge and kills off Ramsay somehow… he will take ALL the credit.
- But if She doesn’t kill him… he will ’swoop in’… and do it FOR HER…. yet again.

This way, he looks like the ultimate ‘good guy’…. when compared to all her other ex-husbands.

But this time, she won’t be ‘too young’ for him.… plus she won’t be a ‘virgin’ anymore… and she can ‘show him some gratitude’.

Bottom line… I think Littlefinger wants Sansa to TREAT him like her aunt Lysa Arryn did (as far as the sex goes)… but WITHOUT all the extremely ‘crazy shit’, erratic behavior & ‘emotional baggage’ that came along with Lysa’s insecurities & jealousy)

I’d bet his ‘perfect woman’ has Sansa looks + Lysa’s Sex drive + Caitlyn’s maturity & demeanor.

Which is all found in that Stark bloodline.

Remember, Lord Peytr Baelish is a TRUE PIMP.

So he prolly trynna ‘bring it out’ of Sansa....… without her even realizing it.

I feel your theory....just gonna be an ass and point out that the bloodline that gets his rocks off is Tully, not Stark.

 

[grownazzblakman]

I feel your theory....just gonna be an ass and point out that the bloodline that gets his rocks off is Tully, not Stark.

A minor technicality.
But you get the point.

 

[silentking]

A minor technicality.
But you get the point.

no doubt....just coudnt resist

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

Little Finger is collecting all the power strongholds/alliances and power he can outside of Kings Landing. Look:

1 - He was given Harrenhall - almost impregnable (only the dragons can get through to it and thats cuz they fly)

2 - He rules the Vale (sp?), again via legitimate means, no army can fuck w the vale

3 - He trying to get the North/Winterfell one way or the other, either from Sansa or Cersei+Tommen's royal degree.

4 - He and Mama Tyrell got that alliance going when they off'd Joffrey...far as I know they still on good terms.

3 of these 4 come with Armies - Tyrells, The North, The Vale. Only Harrenhall is empty but that can be a base for the sell-swords he pays off.

So right now Lord Petyr Baelish got more power that most people realize. And he still hustling like its Day 1



Mr Lengthy

That's why Petyr said what he said in this speech....Chaos isn't a pit,it's a ladder...

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

^^ Agreed.

Plus I think LittleFinger's ultimate 'end game' is this....

He thrives on Chaos.
Chaos is his 'ladder' to the Iron Throne.
He wants to be 'the last man standing'... as the King of Westeros... amidst the Chaos.

And he wants A STARK... as his wife, if/or when he ever becomes King.
But he wants ‘a Stark Woman’…. TO WANT HIM (ie to ‘fall in love’ willingly, on her own).. just as much… as he wants Her.

If her Mom (Caitlyn) were still alive… he would probably be scheming like this just as hard… to rekindle that relationship & win her heart.

But he will settle for Sansa… since she’s the LAST (female) Stark left… and he knows that deep-down inside SHE is just like Margery Tyrell, in a certain way.

i.e. She always wanted to be ‘THE QUEEN’ (more than anything).
Not just ‘a queen’.

So he’s playing the ultimate 'Captain-Save-A-Hoe' role (on steroids) towards Sansa…

Think about it..

He saved Sansa from King Joffrey... by killing him off.

But that was not enough to make her fall in love with him... because she was too young & traumatized (at the time) to have any real control over her own emotions.

- So he convinces her to wed another monster (Ramsay).
- IF she gets revenge and kills off Ramsay somehow… he will take ALL the credit.
- But if She doesn’t kill him… he will ’swoop in’… and do it FOR HER…. yet again.

This way, he looks like the ultimate ‘good guy’…. when compared to all her other ex-husbands.

But this time, she won’t be ‘too young’ for him.… plus she won’t be a ‘virgin’ anymore… and she can ‘show him some gratitude’.

Bottom line… I think Littlefinger wants Sansa to TREAT him like her aunt Lysa Arryn did (as far as the sex goes)… but WITHOUT all the extremely ‘crazy shit’, erratic behavior & ‘emotional baggage’ that came along with Lysa’s insecurities & jealousy)

I’d bet his ‘perfect woman’ has Sansa looks + Lysa’s Sex drive + Caitlyn’s maturity & demeanor.

Which is all found in that Stark bloodline.

Remember, Lord Peytr Baelish is a TRUE PIMP.

So he prolly trynna ‘bring it out’ of Sansa....… without her even realizing it.

I think the only thing that will give him pause is the Faith Militant. You can't bargain with them. You can't negotiate. You can't buy them off. Bribe them. I like their introduction because they're such a damn wild card. Only Stannis i think has the strength to deal with them.

 

[silentking]

I think the only thing that will give him pause is the Faith Militant. You can't bargain with them. You can't negotiate. You can't buy them off. Bribe them. I like their introduction because they're such a damn wild card. Only Stannis i think has the strength to deal with them.

when Stanis....and by proxy, Melisandre...meet up with them, that will be some epic shit.

 

["THE MAN"]

I don't understand the issue but I guess people expect this on a virgin's wedding night with a psycho

And not this

This fucked up agreement is more disturbing than that

It's medieval times. Fuck yo comfort. Women enjoying sex is still a new concept.

 

[keone]

I don't understand the issue but I guess people expect this on a virgin's wedding night with a psycho

And not this

This fucked up agreement is more disturbing than that

It's medieval times. Fuck yo comfort. Women enjoying sex is still a new concept.