Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

I don't even see that as outrage.

"I wonder, then, if the rape was on some level a misguided attempt to give Cersei even more pathos, a la the convenient backstory rapes that have become depressingly common on prestige TV (and Scandal)…I wonder if TV Thrones‘s writers just have a tendency to change problematic book sex scenes into clear scenes of unconsensual sex.” - Hillary Busis, Entertainment Weekly

Outrage? not in my book.

“Game of Thrones has a rape problem.” - Kevin Spak, Newser

Outrage?

Maybe we have different ideas of what outrage is, is all. I don't consider them being outraged.

I really didn't like the scene. I really really didn't like it. I don't understand why anyone would be ok with it. But theres sickos out there who enjoy hurting women.

But i'm not OUTRAGED. That statement isn't me showing outrage.

I consider it fake outrage. People may beat up their gums about it this week, but not enough to actually stop watching the show. I only posted it to show that the criticism wasn't one isolated article.
 
It did catch me off guard though I can't lie. But it shouldn't have, the show is raw.

Nobody is going to stop watching the show, and the people writing about it to try and get headlines aren't going to make a difference. Next week once something crazy happens it'll be forgotten. no boycotts or marches on washington.

Hooty hoo is the official wildlings theme song as of this moment.
 
Sole purpose she served was to rein in her son which she couldn't do and caused her to forget her younger son leaving him a perfect viable template for her father to set "RIGHT". Homey wasted no time at that as we saw, straight verbal kidnapping right in front of her too. Damn!

Then her brother go all Dirk Diggler on her two minutes later SHOWING YOU JUST HOW LITTLE THE FAMILY THINKS OF HER! She was told "You're not as smart as you think you are."

That shit was made scathingly clear to her this episode. :smh::smh::smh::lol:

it seemed liked jamie raped Cersei because she tried to seduce/trick him into killing their brother. she figured she could use jamies love/lust to get what she wanted without having sex with him. Jamie figured it out it and took what he wanted.

the other part seemed to be that jamie doesnt believe or want to believe tyrion killed joffrey which may have added to him raping her. in that moment he may have hated her for asking her to kill tyrion. it seems like jamie and tyrion have a very tight bond compared to tyrions relationship with the rest of his family.
 
A man raping his sister,near the body and funeral pyre of their dead son.The body rocking back and forth....they really outdid themselves in this episode.
 
I'm in the camp that the rape scene was a fuckup. The director said it wasn't supposed to be a rape, and it's completely different in the book. He just couldn't properly display the actions as written (which are actually more graphic).Kind of goes against what Jamie is becoming in the future.

But oh well...the show will go on regardless. There are alot more shockers this season as this will soon be forgotten.
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I'm in the camp that the rape scene was a fuckup. The director said it wasn't supposed to be a rape, and it's completely different in the book. He just couldn't properly display the actions as written (which are actually more graphic).Kind of goes against what Jamie is becoming in the future.

But oh well...the show will go on regardless. There are alot more shockers this season as this will soon be forgotten.
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bruh...
 
Theon was raped and mutilated by a man...no outrage!

who raped theon?

castrated yes, raped i missed that scene.


I'm in the camp that the rape scene was a fuckup. The director said it wasn't supposed to be a rape, and it's completely different in the book. He just couldn't properly display the actions as written (which are actually more graphic).Kind of goes against what Jamie is becoming in the future.

But oh well...the show will go on regardless. There are alot more shockers this season as this will soon be forgotten.
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why are you talking about the books?

why are you foreshadowing, silly ass lame loser shit!

stop trying to spoil shit for others. if it wasnt done on

purpose thats even worse! this thread is about the TV show, not a book!
 
why are you talking about the books?

why are you foreshadowing, silly ass lame loser shit!

stop trying to spoil shit for others. if it wasnt done on

purpose thats even worse! this thread is about the TV show, not a book!

Dude calm down...ain't nobody spoiled shit. "Stay tuned" ain't no fuckin spoiler.
 
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One of you from this thread is a friend of mine on facebook...you know who you are! My cuz dropped the spoiler that Joffrey was going to die before I had a chance to watch the episode. I swear to gawd I was like :mad:

Muthafuckas have me afraid to come online before I've seen the episode because of spoilers. I'm overseas so I usually catch it a bit later or early Monday.
 
I think the producers/writers should go away from the books now. use them only as a guide for characters. I could watch a whole show of Ayra and the Hound.
 
I'm in the camp that the rape scene was a fuckup. The director said it wasn't supposed to be a rape, and it's completely different in the book. He just couldn't properly display the actions as written (which are actually more graphic).Kind of goes against what Jamie is becoming in the future.

But oh well...the show will go on regardless. There are alot more shockers this season as this will soon be forgotten.
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Dude calm down...ain't nobody spoiled shit. "Stay tuned" ain't no fuckin spoiler.

1.why do you think another poster said something about your post?

2.youre talking book, this is tv.

3.youre talking what a character is giong to be in the future(we're watching it on TV, we have no clue as to the future)!

i am 1000% calm! if you cant or refuse to understand what i have typed

out above, youre really lost.
 
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One of you from this thread is a friend of mine on facebook...you know who you are! My cuz dropped the spoiler that Joffrey was going to die before I had a chance to watch the episode. I swear to gawd I was like :mad:

Muthafuckas have me afraid to come online before I've seen the episode because of spoilers. I'm overseas so I usually catch it a bit later or early Monday.

there are times when i don't turn on tv or go online until i watch something because some ass hole will spoil a show. game of thrones is one of those shows.
 
in our house we all watch the show. And what we saw was that fine line that guys sometimes get caught in. Jaime was upset with her because she is hateful. She went to him for comfort in that moment when she kissed him.

Her mind was getting in the way of what her body and heart wanted.

She didn't want to have sex there at the body of her dead child. But yet her body and heart still wanted Jaime. It's a bad line to be on.

She didn't really FIGHT him away either. Because to me she really did miss him and want him. Just can't bring herself mentally to do it.

I think alot of women are responding like they are to this scene because it's a normalization of rape culture. And you really shouldn't act like ti's normal or to pass over. But i don't believe anyone is going to boycott the show and media in general because of it.
 
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in our house we all watch the show. And what we saw was that fine line that guys sometimes get caught in. Jaime was upset with her because she is hateful. She went to him for comfort in that moment when she kissed him.

Her mind was getting in the way of what her body and heart wanted.

She didn't want to have sex there at the body of her dead child. But yet her body and heart still wanted Jaime. It's a bad line to be on.

She didn't really FIGHT him away either. Because to me she really did miss him and want him. Just can't bring herself mentally to do it.

I think alot of women are responding like they are to this scene because it's a normalization of rape culture. And you really shouldn't act like ti's normal or to pass over. But i don't believe anyone is going to boycott the show and media in general because of it.

What the fuck were you watching?

Cercei wasn't conflicted at all. She only pulled pulled away from Jaimie when she felt his gold and touch her hand it brought her back to reality.

This isnt about Cercei's heart and mind or in any way being conflicted. She didn't pull away from him because of the presence of Joffrey 's corpse either.

Cercei doesn't respect Jaimie any longer and looks at him as week and so now she loathes him. She only cares about power, perception, and what can she gain from any particular relationship.

Now that Jaimie is handicapped she doesn't see value in him any longer. He's no longer the alpha male that she felt protected and empowered by so now in a way she see's him as no better than Tyrion.

Unless she sees a way in which she can manipulate him (like trying to convince him to kill their brother).
 
No fine line.

No means no. Jamie took that shit because he's feeling powerless.

Loses his hand, 3 kings die on his watch, ( One he killed ). Daddy issues. Pure rape, not sex. Rape.

I dont know the three kings dying and his watch thing is bullshit IMO. It seems to imply he's inept and not capable of protecting the King when if you break down each death two were carried out to strengthen and/or protect his family.

As you said he killed one to protect his family, he was in on the plot ( I would assume all Lannister's were) to kill Robert so Joffrey could take over and I dont think he was present for it also.

In Joffreys death if I remember correctly Joffrey dismissed the possibility of him leading the Kinge Guard and protecting him.
 
Her interactions with him going forward will let us know what it will be.

If she loathes him it'll have been rape.

If she comes on to him it'll just have been rough sex at a bad time.
 
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One of you from this thread is a friend of mine on facebook...you know who you are! My cuz dropped the spoiler that Joffrey was going to die before I had a chance to watch the episode. I swear to gawd I was like :mad:

Muthafuckas have me afraid to come online before I've seen the episode because of spoilers. I'm overseas so I usually catch it a bit later or early Monday.

Why you gotta bring up old shit cuz :hmm:

:lol:
 
Honestly, any crime isn't a crime unless it's reported.

If Cersei turns her brother in because she is so distraught over that scene then its considered a rape.

I know it sounds cold, but that's the harsh reality of life.
 
Honestly, any crime isn't a crime unless it's reported.

If Cersei turns her brother in because she is so distraught over that scene then its considered a rape.

I know it sounds cold, but that's the harsh reality of life.

Don' they got like 4 kids together. :dunno:

- Joffrey
- Tommen
- And 1 or 2 blonde girls?

If so, Big Daddy Tywin Lannister ain't having that.:smh:

If she turned him in....she would only be confirming all those 'ugly rumors' that he loathes about his family's name. :hmm:

Shheeeeiiiiitt...

Knowing Tywin, he would most likely kill them all. :rolleyes: Himself.

Cersei. Jamie. AND Tyrion. (All at once :rolleyes:)

:itsawrap:

Tywin would start 'House Lannister' from scratch... with Tommen's future kids. :rolleyes:

And just hope he lives long enough to tell them stories (first-hand) about the Lions in their 'Family Sigil'. :cool:

Just saying.
 
Don' they got like 4 kids together. :dunno:

- Joffrey
- Tommen
- And 1 or 2 blonde girls?

If so, Big Daddy Tywin Lannister ain't having that.:smh:

If she turned him in....she would only be confirming all those 'ugly rumors' that he loathes about his family's name. :hmm:

Shheeeeiiiiitt...

Knowing Tywin, he would most likely kill them all. :rolleyes: Himself.

Cersei. Jamie. AND Tyrion. (All at once :rolleyes:)

:itsawrap:

Tywin would start 'House Lannister' from scratch... with Tommen's future kids. :rolleyes:

And just hope he lives long enough to tell them stories (first-hand) about the Lions in their 'Family Sigil'. :cool:

Just saying.

tywin would do no such thing, cuz that would simply increase opposition against house lannister and effectively destroy it.
 
What the fuck were you watching?

Cercei wasn't conflicted at all. She only pulled pulled away from Jaimie when she felt his gold and touch her hand it brought her back to reality.

This isnt about Cercei's heart and mind or in any way being conflicted. She didn't pull away from him because of the presence of Joffrey 's corpse either.

Cercei doesn't respect Jaimie any longer and looks at him as week and so now she loathes him. She only cares about power, perception, and what can she gain from any particular relationship.

Now that Jaimie is handicapped she doesn't see value in him any longer. He's no longer the alpha male that she felt protected and empowered by so now in a way she see's him as no better than Tyrion.

Unless she sees a way in which she can manipulate him (like trying to convince him to kill their brother).

Calm down

We see shit different is all. Your view point and how you view women is obviously different than mine.

Being that i am a woman i see it from how i see it. By watching her interactions and knowing how hateful she is. She uses words and emotions as weapons. But yet she's still a slave to her own desires.

She didnt' STOP loving Jamie. We don't really work that way. No matter what she says to hurt him.
 
No fine line.

No means no. Jamie took that shit because he's feeling powerless.

Loses his hand, 3 kings die on his watch, ( One he killed ). Daddy issues. Pure rape, not sex. Rape.

I'm not disagreeing.

But if you look at the other responses? It shows where the idea comes from where a guy says "She wanted it tho".
 
I'm not disagreeing.

But if you look at the other responses? It shows where the idea comes from where a guy says "She wanted it tho".

I'm not saying that she wanted it.

I'm saying that she is accepting the situation due to other things that keeps her in power.

In a twisted way, she made it consensual because she rather have her power, and Jaime then not have power/jaime.

Thus, it's not rape because she is unwilling to report the action to higher authorities *Lord Tywin*.
 
No one posted GRRM's response to the episode? Or did I just miss it?

Re: Jaime's changes in Breaker of Chains

This is off topic here. This is the section for comments about Junot Diaz and Anne Perry and the Cocteau's author program.

Since a lot of people have been emailing me about this, however, I will reply... but please, take any further discussion of the show to one of the myriad on-line forums devoted to that. I do not want long detailed dissections and debates about the TV series here on my blog.

As for your question... I think the "butterfly effect" that I have spoken of so often was at work here. In the novels, Jaime is not present at Joffrey's death, and indeed, Cersei has been fearful that he is dead himself, that she has lost both the son and the father/ lover/ brother. And then suddenly Jaime is there before her. Maimed and changed, but Jaime nonetheless. Though the time and place is wildly inappropriate and Cersei is fearful of discovery, she is as hungry for him as he is for her.

The whole dynamic is different in the show, where Jaime has been back for weeks at the least, maybe longer, and he and Cersei have been in each other's company on numerous occasions, often quarreling. The setting is the same, but neither character is in the same place as in the books, which may be why Dan & David played the sept out differently. But that's just my surmise; we never discussed this scene, to the best of my recollection.

Also, I was writing the scene from Jaime's POV, so the reader is inside his head, hearing his thoughts. On the TV show, the camera is necessarily external. You don't know what anyone is thinking or feeling, just what they are saying and doing.

If the show had retained some of Cersei's dialogue from the books, it might have left a somewhat different impression — but that dialogue was very much shaped by the circumstances of the books, delivered by a woman who is seeing her lover again for the first time after a long while apart during which she feared he was dead. I am not sure it would have worked with the new timeline.

That's really all I can say on this issue. The scene was always intended to be disturbing... but I do regret if it has disturbed people for the wrong reasons.

Now, if you please, I'd appreciate it if we could get back to Junot Diaz and Anne Perry and the subjects of the original post.
 
My thoughts

After all the things we have seen on Game of Thrones - people are really shocked at the scene between Jaime and Cersi - seriously - we have seen so much fucked up shit on this show including a pregnant woman getting stab in the stomach, a woman being tied to a bed and having arrows shot at her, a young teenage girl being raped by the man her brother basically sold her to (Danerys) and people are deciding to freak out over an all ready fucked up coupling of a brother and sister who lust for each other set off a string of events that have led us to this place (pushing a kid off of a castle window).
 
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