Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?
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She flew straight at them and just screwed. Like WTF was that?
I still say its possible... It was season 5 when Drogon started eating up sheep herds and kids..then bounced out for months.
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Game of Thrones: Ser Jorah star Iain Glen breaks silence on that heartbreaking battle
Iain Glen: 'This is an extraordinary experience and occupies a big space in the memory bank in your heart'
By James Hibberd
April 30, 2019 at 12:45 PM EDT
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Note: This story contains spoilers for Game of Thrones season 8, episode 3.
Iain Glen has just finished filming his final moment on Game of Thrones.
It’s last spring in Northern Ireland, and the actor who has been with the HBO drama since its very first episode has spent the morning laying perfectly still as dead Ser Jorah Mormont in front of the Winterfell castle. After wrapping his last shot, the 57-year-old Scottish actor treks his dusty boots into his trailer to chat. If he’s feeling sad about departing the series, he’s not showing it. The actor has had an enviable arc on the series as the protector, advisor and formerly unrequited lover of Daenerys Targaryen. He’s survived battles and gladiatorial fights and greyscale to make it deep into the final season, where Ser Jorah died in perhaps the manner that would most please him: Protecting his queen. (Note: Some of the quotes below have previously been reported).
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: I was honestly starting to think they had a figurine in place of you on that pyre because you were so still even between takes.
IAIN GLEN: I know. I slightly drifted off, to be honest. I was aurally saying goodbye. Listening to the GoT set operating. What a vast slick machine it’s become and to hear It orchestrating. I got into it. Everything echoes backwards over the past decade. Trying to let the whole thing go. I feel happy about it. Having been in the pilot and every season I’ve had so many work experiences. [Acting is] an ephemeral beast and you go from one [job] to the other and this is an extraordinary experience that went on for nearly a decade and occupies a big space in the memory bank in your heart.
What was your reaction to learning Ser Jorah’s ending?
You go through a bundle of emotions. Your best indication of what happens is they always list the cast on the first page of each script. I think all six came together at once. First script, yeah, I’m in that one. Second, yeah, I’m in that one. Third, I’m in that one. Fourth, yeah I’m that one — just being a corpse, but I didn’t know that yet. Then fifth, no, I’m not there. Sixth one: Oh no! So I knew I definitely died. Then I read the scripts and I just think they’re so good. I enjoy reading them. I’m as intrigued as anyone to find out what unfolds, whether it’s The Sopranos or Breaking Bad. You know you can’t please everyone all the time but I just think they did it incredibly right, the way they resolve all the various storylines. When I read the nature of his demise it felt right. It was the right conclusion. For eight years in a row, you go, “Please, please…” You just want to stay in the party. You just want to stay on board. Then this season comes and this is the season to go, if you’re going to go. It’s a heroic and satisfying demise. I think [showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss] were sweetly nervous about everyone’s reaction and their instinct is you’ll be upset that you’re out. So the first thing I did is I went and emailed them and told them how much I loved the scripts. And they said, “Aw, you’re a gent.” And I said, “No, I’m really grateful for this conclusion.”
Your character has survived death so many times. You must have thought you had a shot of making it to the end
You could be a question mark or conclude as a character. The question mark ending is where you get to the end of the whole thing and people try to project forward what his future is that you’ll never know. I’m happy to conclude — particularly, as you say, as somebody who teetered on the edge of going out earlier. I remember when I got greyscale I asked [the producers] if this is it and they said, “No, not this season.” So I thought I was definitely f—ed next season. But they were joshing. It has been a great gig.
Is there anything you wish your character had gotten to do?
Other than the painfully obvious one of making love to Daenerys, way back when, in all honesty, no. It would feel churlish and ungrateful even if I could conjure up something. I’ve always felt very looked after. The whole greyscale journey was not in the original books, and that was something they gifted the character. I could say I wish Jorah expressed himself more, but that’s just not who he was. [The showrunners] always said, slightly joshing, “You’re great in silence. We always like having you in a scene when you’re not speaking.” But they were being sweet. But no, there’s nothing.
What was your favorite scene shot?
If I had to pick, I’d say two: The whole gladiatorial sequence — what was required physically during that sequence for Daenerys’ benefit, trying to win her back. It was a very hard week and I loved doing that. So for the action side of things that sequence encapsulated it. In terms of emotional demands, and feeling satiated, it was probably being rejected by Daenerys when she found out there was a duality to my approach to her. When I came in front of her and she said she told me she never wanted to see me again.
There’s often been bit sadness there, Jorah pining for Dany all those years when there was always with somebody else.
I don’t know what people perceive. But in my mind, there was a significant shift when he lost her love and made this journey to try and win it back; once he won her favor again and was in her orbit. Of course, there has always been a profound love there but him wanting a reciprocal physical love has gone and he was just happy to be with her.
That’s definitely the vibe on screen.
Good. And being promoted to being the head of her army is where he wanted to be. So Jorah got complete forgiveness and then went out the way he wanted to. I die saving her life and I’ve said that for a good few seasons the nobility of the man is very much within him and he would absolutely sacrifice his life for her to succeed. In a way he was given the conclusion he wanted.
The night shoots for Episode 3 have been super brutal.
It was a real test. Most of this crew of dragon were on 11 weeks and it completely f—s your body clock. You have no life outside it. At least on day shoots you’ll go have a meal in the evening and then you do a bit of something. On night shoots those down hours are removed. You get to sleep at 7 in the morning and wake in midday and you can’t really do anything. It was the most unpleasant experience I’ve had on Thrones; the least enjoyable of all of it.
As I understand it, the more time shooting on these practical sets the less that’s done by special effects and the more realistic it is.
It bleeds through to the reality of the Thrones world. You have an absolute f—ed bunch of actors. But on screen it’s horrible and dirty and dark and cold; it’s really miserable. Without getting too method about it, it bleeds onto the screen
What was working with director Miguel Sapochnik like?
Miguel is an animal. I don’t know how he does it — to stay as engaged as fresh as he is with the weight on his shoulders. He takes care of each individual storyline so well. This kind of episode can get lost in action. If [the episode is] not telling an emotional story then it’s not going to be half as good. Everybody is fighting for a personal reason and he tries to imbue every moment in that. It’s phenomenal.
Iain Glen: 'This is an extraordinary experience and occupies a big space in the memory bank in your heart'
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Note: This story contains spoilers for Game of Thrones season 8, episode 3.
Iain Glen has just finished filming his final moment on Game of Thrones.
It’s last spring in Northern Ireland, and the actor who has been with the HBO drama since its very first episode has spent the morning laying perfectly still as dead Ser Jorah Mormont in front of the Winterfell castle. After wrapping his last shot, the 57-year-old Scottish actor treks his dusty boots into his trailer to chat. If he’s feeling sad about departing the series, he’s not showing it. The actor has had an enviable arc on the series as the protector, advisor and formerly unrequited lover of Daenerys Targaryen. He’s survived battles and gladiatorial fights and greyscale to make it deep into the final season, where Ser Jorah died in perhaps the manner that would most please him: Protecting his queen. (Note: Some of the quotes below have previously been reported).
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: I was honestly starting to think they had a figurine in place of you on that pyre because you were so still even between takes.
IAIN GLEN: I know. I slightly drifted off, to be honest. I was aurally saying goodbye. Listening to the GoT set operating. What a vast slick machine it’s become and to hear It orchestrating. I got into it. Everything echoes backwards over the past decade. Trying to let the whole thing go. I feel happy about it. Having been in the pilot and every season I’ve had so many work experiences. [Acting is] an ephemeral beast and you go from one [job] to the other and this is an extraordinary experience that went on for nearly a decade and occupies a big space in the memory bank in your heart.
What was your reaction to learning Ser Jorah’s ending?
You go through a bundle of emotions. Your best indication of what happens is they always list the cast on the first page of each script. I think all six came together at once. First script, yeah, I’m in that one. Second, yeah, I’m in that one. Third, I’m in that one. Fourth, yeah I’m that one — just being a corpse, but I didn’t know that yet. Then fifth, no, I’m not there. Sixth one: Oh no! So I knew I definitely died. Then I read the scripts and I just think they’re so good. I enjoy reading them. I’m as intrigued as anyone to find out what unfolds, whether it’s The Sopranos or Breaking Bad. You know you can’t please everyone all the time but I just think they did it incredibly right, the way they resolve all the various storylines. When I read the nature of his demise it felt right. It was the right conclusion. For eight years in a row, you go, “Please, please…” You just want to stay in the party. You just want to stay on board. Then this season comes and this is the season to go, if you’re going to go. It’s a heroic and satisfying demise. I think [showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss] were sweetly nervous about everyone’s reaction and their instinct is you’ll be upset that you’re out. So the first thing I did is I went and emailed them and told them how much I loved the scripts. And they said, “Aw, you’re a gent.” And I said, “No, I’m really grateful for this conclusion.”
Your character has survived death so many times. You must have thought you had a shot of making it to the end
You could be a question mark or conclude as a character. The question mark ending is where you get to the end of the whole thing and people try to project forward what his future is that you’ll never know. I’m happy to conclude — particularly, as you say, as somebody who teetered on the edge of going out earlier. I remember when I got greyscale I asked [the producers] if this is it and they said, “No, not this season.” So I thought I was definitely f—ed next season. But they were joshing. It has been a great gig.
Is there anything you wish your character had gotten to do?
Other than the painfully obvious one of making love to Daenerys, way back when, in all honesty, no. It would feel churlish and ungrateful even if I could conjure up something. I’ve always felt very looked after. The whole greyscale journey was not in the original books, and that was something they gifted the character. I could say I wish Jorah expressed himself more, but that’s just not who he was. [The showrunners] always said, slightly joshing, “You’re great in silence. We always like having you in a scene when you’re not speaking.” But they were being sweet. But no, there’s nothing.
What was your favorite scene shot?
If I had to pick, I’d say two: The whole gladiatorial sequence — what was required physically during that sequence for Daenerys’ benefit, trying to win her back. It was a very hard week and I loved doing that. So for the action side of things that sequence encapsulated it. In terms of emotional demands, and feeling satiated, it was probably being rejected by Daenerys when she found out there was a duality to my approach to her. When I came in front of her and she said she told me she never wanted to see me again.
There’s often been bit sadness there, Jorah pining for Dany all those years when there was always with somebody else.
I don’t know what people perceive. But in my mind, there was a significant shift when he lost her love and made this journey to try and win it back; once he won her favor again and was in her orbit. Of course, there has always been a profound love there but him wanting a reciprocal physical love has gone and he was just happy to be with her.
That’s definitely the vibe on screen.
Good. And being promoted to being the head of her army is where he wanted to be. So Jorah got complete forgiveness and then went out the way he wanted to. I die saving her life and I’ve said that for a good few seasons the nobility of the man is very much within him and he would absolutely sacrifice his life for her to succeed. In a way he was given the conclusion he wanted.
The night shoots for Episode 3 have been super brutal.
It was a real test. Most of this crew of dragon were on 11 weeks and it completely f—s your body clock. You have no life outside it. At least on day shoots you’ll go have a meal in the evening and then you do a bit of something. On night shoots those down hours are removed. You get to sleep at 7 in the morning and wake in midday and you can’t really do anything. It was the most unpleasant experience I’ve had on Thrones; the least enjoyable of all of it.
As I understand it, the more time shooting on these practical sets the less that’s done by special effects and the more realistic it is.
It bleeds through to the reality of the Thrones world. You have an absolute f—ed bunch of actors. But on screen it’s horrible and dirty and dark and cold; it’s really miserable. Without getting too method about it, it bleeds onto the screen
What was working with director Miguel Sapochnik like?
Miguel is an animal. I don’t know how he does it — to stay as engaged as fresh as he is with the weight on his shoulders. He takes care of each individual storyline so well. This kind of episode can get lost in action. If [the episode is] not telling an emotional story then it’s not going to be half as good. Everybody is fighting for a personal reason and he tries to imbue every moment in that. It’s phenomenal.
Didn’t y’all just watch Gendry lead a rag tag bunch of civilians in FORGING THOUSANDS of Dragonglass weapons at Winterfell, in just 2 days that passed between episode 1 and episode 2 ?go write for DC...
In just 48 hours, Gendry made all them THOUSANDS of Dragonglass Weapons that everyone was carrying in episode 3..... but y’all seem to think he would be unable to forge a few scales of armor for a dragon in just one episode.
He wouldn’t be doing it all by himself. If they have enough manpower.... it can be done.
Didn’t y’all just watch Gendry lead a rag tag bunch of civilians in FORGING THOUSANDS of Dragonglass weapons at Winterfell, in just 2 days that passed between episode 1 and episode 2 ?
In just 48 hours, Gendry made all them THOUSANDS of Dragonglass Weapons that everyone was carrying in episode 3..... but y’all seem to think he would be unable to forge a few scales of armor for a dragon in just one episode.
He wouldn’t be doing it all by himself. If they have enough manpower.... it can be done.
2 days?
The Scorpions can spin a full 360 degrees... and they tilt up & down. So it wouldn’t matter if she did a power dive from behind, they can still rotate & fire at her.
Actually, they best angle of attack is to come at Euron’s Ships very low & very fast.
Like Dany does here at the 1:08 mark...If the Dragon is high up.... they can all fire at it very easily, but they all won’t be able to get off a ‘clean shot’ at the dragon, if it comes in real low. Because the ships would have to fire through one another to try to hit Drogon.
Dany can get them to create a crossfire if she flies in real low & real fast.
Episode 1 Day 1 - Gendry arrives at Winterfell in season 8 episode 1.
Arya watches him ride in.
Bran tells Jon there’s no time for any ‘greetings’ because the Night King has Dany’s dragon.
Later that night, Tormund, Beric Dondarrion & Dolores Edd meet up at The Last Hearth & discover that the Army of the Dead has slaughtered everyone there. So they make a plan to ‘ride around’ the Army (who is marching slowly on foot) to get to Winterfell to warn Jon.
Meanwhile at the same time... Sam reveals the truth to Jon about his real parents.... while Bran sits outside “waiting for an old friend”.... who happens to be Jaime.
And Jaime arrives the very next morning & sees Bran STILL sitting in the very same spot that Sam saw him.
Episode 2 Day 2 - They bring Jaime in front of Dany & Sansa for quick trial. Lady Brienne vouches for Jaime and he is spared.
Tormund, Beric & Dolores Edd arrive at Winterfell and tell Jon the White Walkers will be here before dawn.
Yup, that’s 2 days.
Dragon Glass is just obsidian and is too brittle to use as armor.Didn’t y’all just watch Gendry lead a rag tag bunch of civilians in FORGING THOUSANDS of Dragonglass weapons at Winterfell, in just 2 days that passed between episode 1 and episode 2 ?
In just 48 hours, Gendry made all them THOUSANDS of Dragonglass Weapons that everyone was carrying in episode 3..... but y’all seem to think he would be unable to forge a few scales of armor for a dragon in just one episode.
He wouldn’t be doing it all by himself. If they have enough manpower.... it can be done.
Don’t worry. The show would not show the measurement scene and niggas would come back to bitch about they didn’t get to see. Fuck a dragon anyway. I’m surprised these people didn’t say in hindsight that Ned should have had neck armor or some other dumb shit.
Use old armor from Aegons dragons
Mad funny and folks forget dragons been killed before. Hell in the doom of valryia the god dam fires killed they ass. They ain’t have enough sense to fly way up out the way so they not that bright.
To be honest greyworm can’t fuck at all bruh.
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Dragon armor is something that could have been done by now. Not between the arrival and the long battle but between the first time they saw that harpoon shit almost clip her out of the sky
At that point you say hey my babies need protection there are weapons out there that they have made that can hurt them
That's not an unreasonable expectation for someone
Now she didn't do it and I'm perfectly fine with that to be honest because that's not where her head is
When she's in battle she has no armor or protection either so it makes sense they wouldn't she don't even think to protect herself
At that point you say hey my babies need protection there are weapons out there that they have made that can hurt them
That's not an unreasonable expectation for someone
Now she didn't do it and I'm perfectly fine with that to be honest because that's not where her head is
When she's in battle she has no armor or protection either so it makes sense they wouldn't she don't even think to protect herself
Unsullied joke bruh.
Fagget.
Oh I know what the joke is but also see the reply above mine
Nigga, he wasn’t alone in the forgeDidn’t y’all just watch Gendry lead a rag tag bunch of civilians in FORGING THOUSANDS of Dragonglass weapons at Winterfell, in just 2 days that passed between episode 1 and episode 2 ?
In just 48 hours, Gendry made all them THOUSANDS of Dragonglass Weapons that everyone was carrying in episode 3..... but y’all seem to think he would be unable to forge a few scales of armor for a dragon in just one episode.
He wouldn’t be doing it all by himself. If they have enough manpower.... it can be done.
My god what are you niggas lookin at when you watch this show?
Just peeped some random youtuber who picked apart the Battle for Winterfell episode. What I liked about it was he made some relatively minor changes they could have done that would have made the battle better and fit in with the story.
1. Bring the part of the Unsullied inside the trenches and the rest inside the walls (with swords instead of spears). The Dothraki where pretty much useless outside of a calvary charge so their fate was pre-determined, but the unsullied are capable ground fighters. Place unsullied behind the barricades where they can long spear the undead while they break themselves against the pit. Now you have more fighters available when the retreat is called. Plus you don't have to account for magical teleport of Greyworm and other major characters
2. Once the undead are fully committed against Winterfell, have a small elite mounted force (Beric, The Hound, Ed, Brieneetc) flank around and go for the relatively undefended White Walker captains. At the time of the battle it was known that killing White Walkers would take down whatever wights they were controlling, but it was NOT known that killing the Knight King would take out ALL his "brothers" as well. In fact it really doesn't even make sense that they all instantly died. After all, they were born alive and transformed into white walkers just like the Night King was. It's more reasonable that they would survive their "makers" death than the wights would. And it makes the story better because in every other story you have to take out the henchmen/underlings first before you get to the big bad first. The white walker captains were useless in the episode as it is. Give them some agency and have the "good guy" have to deal with them. Having the elite squad from Winterfell go after also makes better use of our main characters than having them be mobbed by undead inside the castle walls. Also makes it more believable that they actually survived
3. Arya: a lot of people have been saying that she was primed and trained to defeat the NK. That really isn't true tho. She was trained to be an assassin/killer in general, but she has zero personal motivation to kill the NK. The people with personal motivation are Jon (due to his role with Nights Watch) and Dany (due to her losing her Dragon to him). They both got their shot at it in the episode, but D&D said they been planning to have Arya kill the NK for 3 years, but I think it was clumsily done. I believe they ret-conned the whole brown eye, blue eyes, green eyes line from Melisandre to give Arya some sense of agency in defeating the NK
What they should have done with Arya is have her going toe to toe with some of the White Walker captains that got into the castle and were threatening the people in the Crypts. She could have displayed all her bas assery without having to be sole saviour of the whole battle
4. NK in godswood. If #2 and #3 happens, then there are far fewer white walkers accompanying the NK at the end and it's more believable that he could be vulnerable. Have Theon actually make contact with the NK with his dragon glass spear, but only a glancing cut. It's enough to distract the NK and temporarily lose control over the Ice dragon. What this would reveal is that just hitting the NK with dragonglass is not enough. He needs to be unmade the same way he was made i.e. Dragon glass/Valyian steel through the heart. Theon still dies, but his death is not pointless. With the Dragon out of control, Jon is able to get by him and get into the Godswood just in time to save Bran and slay the NK.
1. Bring the part of the Unsullied inside the trenches and the rest inside the walls (with swords instead of spears). The Dothraki where pretty much useless outside of a calvary charge so their fate was pre-determined, but the unsullied are capable ground fighters. Place unsullied behind the barricades where they can long spear the undead while they break themselves against the pit. Now you have more fighters available when the retreat is called. Plus you don't have to account for magical teleport of Greyworm and other major characters
2. Once the undead are fully committed against Winterfell, have a small elite mounted force (Beric, The Hound, Ed, Brieneetc) flank around and go for the relatively undefended White Walker captains. At the time of the battle it was known that killing White Walkers would take down whatever wights they were controlling, but it was NOT known that killing the Knight King would take out ALL his "brothers" as well. In fact it really doesn't even make sense that they all instantly died. After all, they were born alive and transformed into white walkers just like the Night King was. It's more reasonable that they would survive their "makers" death than the wights would. And it makes the story better because in every other story you have to take out the henchmen/underlings first before you get to the big bad first. The white walker captains were useless in the episode as it is. Give them some agency and have the "good guy" have to deal with them. Having the elite squad from Winterfell go after also makes better use of our main characters than having them be mobbed by undead inside the castle walls. Also makes it more believable that they actually survived
3. Arya: a lot of people have been saying that she was primed and trained to defeat the NK. That really isn't true tho. She was trained to be an assassin/killer in general, but she has zero personal motivation to kill the NK. The people with personal motivation are Jon (due to his role with Nights Watch) and Dany (due to her losing her Dragon to him). They both got their shot at it in the episode, but D&D said they been planning to have Arya kill the NK for 3 years, but I think it was clumsily done. I believe they ret-conned the whole brown eye, blue eyes, green eyes line from Melisandre to give Arya some sense of agency in defeating the NK
What they should have done with Arya is have her going toe to toe with some of the White Walker captains that got into the castle and were threatening the people in the Crypts. She could have displayed all her bas assery without having to be sole saviour of the whole battle
4. NK in godswood. If #2 and #3 happens, then there are far fewer white walkers accompanying the NK at the end and it's more believable that he could be vulnerable. Have Theon actually make contact with the NK with his dragon glass spear, but only a glancing cut. It's enough to distract the NK and temporarily lose control over the Ice dragon. What this would reveal is that just hitting the NK with dragonglass is not enough. He needs to be unmade the same way he was made i.e. Dragon glass/Valyian steel through the heart. Theon still dies, but his death is not pointless. With the Dragon out of control, Jon is able to get by him and get into the Godswood just in time to save Bran and slay the NK.
Did I ever say ‘Gendry was alone’?
Or did I say that Gendry ‘LEAD a rag tag bunch of civilians in forging THOUSANDS of weapons’.
Read it again.
