Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?
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Wait hold up... Randall & Dickon BOTH got executed... which means that Sam is now the RIGHTFUL HEIR to House Tarly & the castle at Horn Hill. 
And his mother LOVES Gilly & Baby Sam.
Welp, I was kinda right...
- He cured Jorah. Like a Boss.
- He stole some books from the Citadel...
- So he 'technically' got some Maester Chains.
- Plus he got stacks of Inherited Wealth...
Sam IS officially... Ghostface of Westeros.
And his mother LOVES Gilly & Baby Sam.
Welp, I was kinda right...
- He cured Jorah. Like a Boss.
- He stole some books from the Citadel...
- So he 'technically' got some Maester Chains.
- Plus he got stacks of Inherited Wealth...
Sam IS officially... Ghostface of Westeros.
That's because he's half Targaryen.....
Game of Thrones: This Tiny Detail Could Be the Real Reason a Beloved Character Has Returned
Could this turn the tide of the war?
by
AUGUST 13, 2017 9:40 PM
Courtesy of HBO
This post contains frank discussion of Season 7, Episode 5 of Game of Thrones: “Eastwatch.” If you’re not caught up or don’t want to be spoiled, now would be the time to leave. Seriously, I won’t warn you again. Skedaddle.
In a jam-packed episode filled with historical revelations, mysterious letters, dragon interactions, and exciting news for the royal family, we should spend a little time considering a familiar old face who has finally stopped rowing.
Though it had long been rumored and recently confirmed at the Season 7 Los Angeles premiere, the return of Joe Dempsie’s Game of Thrones character Gendry in Episode 5 still served as a delightful treat for audiences. Gendry Waters isn’t the only long-lost pal of Arya Stark to return to the show this season. Both Hot Pie and Nymeria had some intriguing cameos. But Gendry seems to have returned for more than a quick appearance—he’s all lined up to join Team Stark-garyen out on Dragonstone. Thanks to a tiny detail from the books and earlier seasons, there might be a very smart reason the show is keeping Gendry around for (we hope) good.
First let’s get the less likely reason for Gendry’s return out of the way. Since Dempsie was spotted around the Season 7 set way back in September, Game of Thronesspeculators have been wondering why a series so invested in stripping down the cast to its bare essentials (RIP Olenna, Sand Snakes, etc.) would add someone back to an already crowded cast. Could Gendry’s heritage as the bastard-born son of Robert Baratheon come into play? This seems very unlikely to me but we can spare a second to indulge it.
Remember that in Season 1, Gendry was rushed out of the city by his blacksmithing master, Tobho Mott, because someone (cough Joffrey) was executing all of Robert’s bastard children lest they pose a threat to the king’s claim on the throne. (This is how Arya met Gendry in the first place, Mott gave him to Yoren of the Night’s Watch for his own protection.) Joffrey’s murdering spree was an overreaction, to put it mildly, because even though Gendry might be more Robert’s son than Joffrey, he’s still a bastard, baseborn, and unable to inherit the lands and titles of his father. A monarch would have to legitimize Gendry’s claims (remember that King Tommen did so for Ramsay, King Stannis offered to do the same for Jon) and neither of the two warring Queens, Cersei or Daenerys, are likely to do that if it put Gendry between themselves and the Iron Throne. Maybe the King in the North would help Gendry out, but Jon looks likely to bend the knee to Daenerys himself any second. And, anyway, Cersei isn’t exactly troubling herself with legitimacy of claims these days, so King Gendry Baratheon, First of His Name, feels like a very unlikely outcome at this point.
So if Gendry’s claim to the throne isn’t the reason for his return, then what is? Well, before we knew he had magical king’s blood running through his veins, we knew Gendry as a clever and talented smith from Fleabottom. Why would mankind be in desperate need of a smith? Well, as you might remember, Valyrian steel has become an even more precious commodity than usual in Westeros these days thanks to the fact that only Valyrian steel and dragon glass are known to be able to take down a White Walker.
We can count on one hand the Valyrian steel blades currently seeing action in the show: Jon’s got the Mormont blade “Longclaw,” Brienne has “Oathkeeper,” Jaime has “Widow’s Wail,” Samwell has “Heartsbane,” and Arya just picked up that spiffy new (old) dagger. To give you perspective, there’s a quote from Tyrion Lannister in the books that says, “Valyrian steel blades were scarce and costly, yet thousands remained in the world, perhaps two hundred in the Seven Kingdoms alone.” The magical art of forging Valyrian steel was lost when Valyria fell, but if Jon could figure out how to forge new Valyrian steel weapons, his side would be in much better shape.
Back in Season 4, we saw Tywin arrange for a random blacksmith to melt down Ned Stark’s blade, “Ice” in order to make “Oathkeeper” and “Widow’s Wail.” At the time, Jaime said in astonishment: “No one’s made a Valyrian steel sword since the Doom of Valyria.” But his father pointed out that, in the canon of the show, at least, there are three smiths who can re-work the metal (if not forge it fresh).
In the books, it’s not a random visiting Volantine smith who re-forges Ned’s blade, it’s good old Tobho Mott a.k.a. the man who taught Gendry everything he knows. We met that character in the show briefly back in Season 1.
In the books, Mott re-works the steel using not only his smithing skills, but a little magic as well. “I worked half a hundred spells and brightened the red time and time again,” the book version of Mott tells the Lannisters by way of explaining why he couldn’t get their house colors into the blade. “But always the color would darken, as if the blade was drinking the sun from it.” Is it at all possible in the context of the show that Mott taught Gendry some or all of his know-how when it came to working Valyrian steel?
Once again, re-working isn’t the same as forging something from scratch. Valyrian steel was reportedly forged using dragons some way—either the heat of their fire or the magic of their blood. But, hey, Team Stark-garyen has a few dragons lying around who might be able to light up a forge for Gendry. And if it’s ancient Eastern magic he needs, well, Melisandre or Thoros could possibly help him out there. It all seems a little bit of a stretch, but I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say that Gendry is the show’s best hope for someone resurrecting the lost art of Valyrian steel smithing.
Then again, Gendry could just be there to swing his war hammer (inspired, surely, by the one his father swung back in the day) on the side of right in the Great War to Come. Before we leave the subject of the no-longer-rowing Gendry, we should at least consider one final reason Robert’s bastard son has returned to Game of Thrones. Back in Season 1, Episode 1 the Baratheon king expressed a fond wish to have his son (Joffrey) marry Ned’s daughter (Sansa).
That’s never happening, thank god, but maybe Robert’s wish could be fulfilled another way. That is, of course, if Arya would be into it.
We thought so. New dagger and Gendry back in the game? Everything’s coming up Arya.
I haven't read / or seen any spoilers.
I'm just looking at the trailer for the stuff that hasn't happened yet... and paying attention to minor conversations, like Cersei's words tonight.
My only other theory was based on the fact that we never really found out WHO was truly controlling the Sons of the Harpy.
Who said no one else could touch the dragons?
They already have the dead giant if they get a dragon is over
Yep the WW will get their own dragon. Viserion is gonna die saving Jon and his gang in the process of catching a WW to prove that they exist.
I haven't read / or seen any spoilers.
I'm just looking at the trailer for the stuff that hasn't happened yet... and paying attention to minor conversations, like Cersei's words tonight.
My only other theory was based on the fact that we never really found out WHO was truly controlling the Sons of the Harpy.
na that wasn't directed @ you bruh
I can't name names bcuz then it would spoil it for everybody else if they knew who was in here fronting
Game of Thrones: This Tiny Detail Could Be the Real Reason a Beloved Character Has Returned
Could this turn the tide of the war?
by
AUGUST 13, 2017 9:40 PM
Courtesy of HBO
This post contains frank discussion of Season 7, Episode 5 of Game of Thrones: “Eastwatch.” If you’re not caught up or don’t want to be spoiled, now would be the time to leave. Seriously, I won’t warn you again. Skedaddle.
In a jam-packed episode filled with historical revelations, mysterious letters, dragon interactions, and exciting news for the royal family, we should spend a little time considering a familiar old face who has finally stopped rowing.
Though it had long been rumored and recently confirmed at the Season 7 Los Angeles premiere, the return of Joe Dempsie’s Game of Thrones character Gendry in Episode 5 still served as a delightful treat for audiences. Gendry Waters isn’t the only long-lost pal of Arya Stark to return to the show this season. Both Hot Pie and Nymeria had some intriguing cameos. But Gendry seems to have returned for more than a quick appearance—he’s all lined up to join Team Stark-garyen out on Dragonstone. Thanks to a tiny detail from the books and earlier seasons, there might be a very smart reason the show is keeping Gendry around for (we hope) good.
First let’s get the less likely reason for Gendry’s return out of the way. Since Dempsie was spotted around the Season 7 set way back in September, Game of Thronesspeculators have been wondering why a series so invested in stripping down the cast to its bare essentials (RIP Olenna, Sand Snakes, etc.) would add someone back to an already crowded cast. Could Gendry’s heritage as the bastard-born son of Robert Baratheon come into play? This seems very unlikely to me but we can spare a second to indulge it.
Remember that in Season 1, Gendry was rushed out of the city by his blacksmithing master, Tobho Mott, because someone (cough Joffrey) was executing all of Robert’s bastard children lest they pose a threat to the king’s claim on the throne. (This is how Arya met Gendry in the first place, Mott gave him to Yoren of the Night’s Watch for his own protection.) Joffrey’s murdering spree was an overreaction, to put it mildly, because even though Gendry might be more Robert’s son than Joffrey, he’s still a bastard, baseborn, and unable to inherit the lands and titles of his father. A monarch would have to legitimize Gendry’s claims (remember that King Tommen did so for Ramsay, King Stannis offered to do the same for Jon) and neither of the two warring Queens, Cersei or Daenerys, are likely to do that if it put Gendry between themselves and the Iron Throne. Maybe the King in the North would help Gendry out, but Jon looks likely to bend the knee to Daenerys himself any second. And, anyway, Cersei isn’t exactly troubling herself with legitimacy of claims these days, so King Gendry Baratheon, First of His Name, feels like a very unlikely outcome at this point.
So if Gendry’s claim to the throne isn’t the reason for his return, then what is? Well, before we knew he had magical king’s blood running through his veins, we knew Gendry as a clever and talented smith from Fleabottom. Why would mankind be in desperate need of a smith? Well, as you might remember, Valyrian steel has become an even more precious commodity than usual in Westeros these days thanks to the fact that only Valyrian steel and dragon glass are known to be able to take down a White Walker.
We can count on one hand the Valyrian steel blades currently seeing action in the show: Jon’s got the Mormont blade “Longclaw,” Brienne has “Oathkeeper,” Jaime has “Widow’s Wail,” Samwell has “Heartsbane,” and Arya just picked up that spiffy new (old) dagger. To give you perspective, there’s a quote from Tyrion Lannister in the books that says, “Valyrian steel blades were scarce and costly, yet thousands remained in the world, perhaps two hundred in the Seven Kingdoms alone.” The magical art of forging Valyrian steel was lost when Valyria fell, but if Jon could figure out how to forge new Valyrian steel weapons, his side would be in much better shape.
Back in Season 4, we saw Tywin arrange for a random blacksmith to melt down Ned Stark’s blade, “Ice” in order to make “Oathkeeper” and “Widow’s Wail.” At the time, Jaime said in astonishment: “No one’s made a Valyrian steel sword since the Doom of Valyria.” But his father pointed out that, in the canon of the show, at least, there are three smiths who can re-work the metal (if not forge it fresh).
In the books, it’s not a random visiting Volantine smith who re-forges Ned’s blade, it’s good old Tobho Mott a.k.a. the man who taught Gendry everything he knows. We met that character in the show briefly back in Season 1.
In the books, Mott re-works the steel using not only his smithing skills, but a little magic as well. “I worked half a hundred spells and brightened the red time and time again,” the book version of Mott tells the Lannisters by way of explaining why he couldn’t get their house colors into the blade. “But always the color would darken, as if the blade was drinking the sun from it.” Is it at all possible in the context of the show that Mott taught Gendry some or all of his know-how when it came to working Valyrian steel?
Once again, re-working isn’t the same as forging something from scratch. Valyrian steel was reportedly forged using dragons some way—either the heat of their fire or the magic of their blood. But, hey, Team Stark-garyen has a few dragons lying around who might be able to light up a forge for Gendry. And if it’s ancient Eastern magic he needs, well, Melisandre or Thoros could possibly help him out there. It all seems a little bit of a stretch, but I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say that Gendry is the show’s best hope for someone resurrecting the lost art of Valyrian steel smithing.
Then again, Gendry could just be there to swing his war hammer (inspired, surely, by the one his father swung back in the day) on the side of right in the Great War to Come. Before we leave the subject of the no-longer-rowing Gendry, we should at least consider one final reason Robert’s bastard son has returned to Game of Thrones. Back in Season 1, Episode 1 the Baratheon king expressed a fond wish to have his son (Joffrey) marry Ned’s daughter (Sansa).
That’s never happening, thank god, but maybe Robert’s wish could be fulfilled another way. That is, of course, if Arya would be into it.
We thought so. New dagger and Gendry back in the game? Everything’s coming up Arya.
I'm wondering if how to forge the weapons (from scratch) is included in any of the books Sam took off with.
no -its confirmed in other publicity shots that's the Hound in KL...With 2 episodes left this season... that's Sandor Clegane (The Hound)... who we just saw tonight.... heading North of the Wall.
Yeah, ok. Makes sense.
wrong name - if he gets crowned - it will be by his birth name
Ok, Cool.na that wasn't directed @ you bruh
Btw, am I the only one who noticed that Missande was conspicuously ABSENT during this whole episode?
She's usually right next to Dany whenever the story switches back to Dragonstone... but I didn't even notice her when everyone was in the 'war room' discusising the plan to bring a White Walker back to Kings Landing.
I gotta rewatch those scenes.
Maybe she was standing off to the side, somewhere.
Seems weird that Missande was in the 'war room' when they were first discussing their original plans, with Yara, Theon, Elaria & Lady Olenna... but she wasn't there now.
Even Jorah Mormont came back... and Missande was still nowhere to be found.
Yes that was jaime. Just a behind the scenes fooling around shot
Naw the dragon glass is the key to valyrian steel...and they just loaded a shit ton of it on the boats.
he is only heir if at the end of this story a king / Queen releases him from his oathWait hold up... Randall & Dickon BOTH got executed... which means that Sam is now the RIGHTFUL HEIR to House Tarly & the castle at Horn Hill.
And his mother LOVES Gilly & Baby Sam.
Welp, I was kinda right...
- He cured Jorah. Like a Boss.
- He stole some books from the Citadel...
- So he 'technically' got some Maester Chains.
- Plus he got stacks of Inherited Wealth...
Sam IS officially... Ghostface of Westeros.
The story I posted that you quoted in full said that supposedly no one knows how to make it from scratch, that the work was done recently was just reworking already made blades, and that magic is involved:
Back in Season 4, we saw Tywin arrange for a random blacksmith to melt down Ned Stark’s blade, “Ice” in order to make “Oathkeeper” and “Widow’s Wail.” At the time, Jaime said in astonishment: “No one’s made a Valyrian steel sword since the Doom of Valyria.” But his father pointed out that, in the canon of the show, at least, there are three smiths who can re-work the metal (if not forge it fresh).
In the books, Mott re-works the steel using not only his smithing skills, but a little magic as well. “I worked half a hundred spells and brightened the red time and time again,” the book version of Mott tells the Lannisters by way of explaining why he couldn’t get their house colors into the blade. “But always the color would darken, as if the blade was drinking the sun from it.” Is it at all possible in the context of the show that Mott taught Gendry some or all of his know-how when it came to working Valyrian steel?
Once again, re-working isn’t the same as forging something from scratch. Valyrian steel was reportedly forged using dragons some way—either the heat of their fire or the magic of their blood. But, hey, Team Stark-garyen has a few dragons lying around who might be able to light up a forge for Gendry. And if it’s ancient Eastern magic he needs, well, Melisandre or Thoros could possibly help him out there. It all seems a little bit of a stretch, but I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say that Gendry is the show’s best hope for someone resurrecting the lost art of Valyrian steel smithing.
thats Jaime in kingsguard armor too! - lately he has only been wearing Lannister armor
also Snow is still dressed as a crow
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I'm guessing that since gendry learned from mot how to rework valyrian steel he may discern that dragon glass is the real missing ingredient not magic
Say what yall will, if you're looking for somebody close to Danny and shifts like the wind don't look past Varys as a spy. Wouldn't be surprised if he's hedging his bets on both sides of the war. Varys is like little finger, can't trust them
2 episodes left
Rumor is hackers done leaked next week's episode..along with the newest Curb Your Enthusiasm 
Here we go.
Cersei is like the T-2000 Where Tyrion and Jamie failed Tywin Cersei improved on the older model.
Can't beat em out think them her dad is up wherever looking down on her like
Next up Sir Bronn James coming through and saved him for his 3rd ring. Told him I'm going to win one for the Land...ing and also if we gone beat Breath Curry we gone need more help
Setup the meet with Tyrion who turned into Tyrion Thomas and got all emotional on Jamie talking about "Somehow we got loose from what was oh so tight, somehow we went wrong when we were oh so right" To which Jamie told him just tell me what you want.
Jamie is a soldier and sometimes he goes brain dead. In the moment he was like "I can win this war." And then after he made it to shore he was like "I can't win this war"
Dickon got burnt. Let that one marinate.
Arya sees Sansa. She told her she was used to all the finer things in life. You praying Jon don't come back so you can rule the world, you ain't saying it but you imagining that. Black diamonds and pearls.
Also Arya picked the lock, little finger doubled back and followed her. Don't know what's going to happen but it's like an episode of Spy vs Spy
Sam had the courage to speak up. Courage to talk to the elders and try and reason with them. Try to tell them some important information that could change everything and save their lives
and then went home and totally disregarded his ol lady who had stumbled upon the secret of a lifetime. She started to talk about Rhaegar and Sam said "I'm going to let you finish but..."
So he stole the scrolls and left. Headed to Winterfell a succfailure? Failcess?
Davos was the funniest by far tonight. Wasn't even close.
Trying to warn everybody who would listen. "What do I know I just lived to a ripe old age" shot out to @Amajorfucup
That baby Cersei has on the way is going to be born out of hate she might actually give birth to her own dragon.
Jon is the perfect leader. I hate to admit it but he is. Jon da god
May not come when you call him but he's always on time.
Dany Siegel.
get down or lay down. she's slow cooking like a brisket. When she finally goes mad im going to be here for it and enjoy it.
She also needs to change her panties. The dragon was growling cause the back of his neck was soaked.
Jon straight up stood his ground and took the gloves off. Once she confirmed he was touching the dragon???
as Papi from highly questionable would say "That's it buddy"
Best part? Here comes Sir Simp right back just in time to get his heart broke again.
Jon was secure Joorah has been back for 20 minutes and has given Jon more sideye than the wildlings did while he was held captive.
Jon Snow isR. Kelly Usher D'Angelo K-Ci Jo-Jo All 4 One Troop Johnny Gill I don't know fuck it
Joorah is Joe though ol all the things that Jon won't do I'll do for you ass simp
Season is satisfying as fuck.
Cersei is like the T-2000 Where Tyrion and Jamie failed Tywin Cersei improved on the older model.
Can't beat em out think them her dad is up wherever looking down on her like
Next up Sir Bronn James coming through and saved him for his 3rd ring. Told him I'm going to win one for the Land...ing and also if we gone beat Breath Curry we gone need more help
Setup the meet with Tyrion who turned into Tyrion Thomas and got all emotional on Jamie talking about "Somehow we got loose from what was oh so tight, somehow we went wrong when we were oh so right" To which Jamie told him just tell me what you want.
Jamie is a soldier and sometimes he goes brain dead. In the moment he was like "I can win this war." And then after he made it to shore he was like "I can't win this war"
Dickon got burnt. Let that one marinate.
Arya sees Sansa. She told her she was used to all the finer things in life. You praying Jon don't come back so you can rule the world, you ain't saying it but you imagining that. Black diamonds and pearls.
Also Arya picked the lock, little finger doubled back and followed her. Don't know what's going to happen but it's like an episode of Spy vs Spy
Sam had the courage to speak up. Courage to talk to the elders and try and reason with them. Try to tell them some important information that could change everything and save their lives
and then went home and totally disregarded his ol lady who had stumbled upon the secret of a lifetime. She started to talk about Rhaegar and Sam said "I'm going to let you finish but..."
So he stole the scrolls and left. Headed to Winterfell a succfailure? Failcess?
Davos was the funniest by far tonight. Wasn't even close.
Trying to warn everybody who would listen. "What do I know I just lived to a ripe old age" shot out to @Amajorfucup
That baby Cersei has on the way is going to be born out of hate she might actually give birth to her own dragon.
Jon is the perfect leader. I hate to admit it but he is. Jon da god
May not come when you call him but he's always on time.
Dany Siegel.
get down or lay down. she's slow cooking like a brisket. When she finally goes mad im going to be here for it and enjoy it.
She also needs to change her panties. The dragon was growling cause the back of his neck was soaked.
Jon straight up stood his ground and took the gloves off. Once she confirmed he was touching the dragon???
as Papi from highly questionable would say "That's it buddy"
Best part? Here comes Sir Simp right back just in time to get his heart broke again.
Jon was secure Joorah has been back for 20 minutes and has given Jon more sideye than the wildlings did while he was held captive.
Jon Snow is
Joorah is Joe though ol all the things that Jon won't do I'll do for you ass simp
Season is satisfying as fuck.
I'm just speculating like the piece was speculating. I didn't know the background on how it was supposedly made so I was just wondering. They could just as easily find records of how to do it back at Dragonstone Island, if Gendry doesn't already know how. Of course Bran is a walking...er sitting...encyclopedia, he can put in an assist also....
mannnn she started getting moist on the dragon - then every shot for the rest of the episode she looked like she staid wet
Rumor is hackers done leaked next week's episode..along with the newest Curb Your Enthusiasm
This is BGOL man. DON'T POST RUMORS POST LINKS!!! Playing with my emotions and ish....
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