Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

[older version]

terrible excuses. when you shoot in a film or tv format, you do it in consequential order of events and perceived time. The poorly planned writing and directing wasn't up to par to give the viewer proper valuation of time passing.

Uh, I don't even want to know why you watching soaps. However, you shouldn't compare "The GOAT" to a soap opera. I expect more from a quality show.

It's still the best show on now but I don't know about being GOAT. The Wire had more intelligent writing. You can argue that it wasn't as consistent in being thrilling though.

The analogy of a soap Opera is spot on.

Look all the shows dubbed in this thread dubbed "GOAT" take on the Soap Opera qualities.
The fact that they come on at night makes them "prime time" soap operas. And the fact that there
is R rated themes, or action, makes them "prime time action soap operas"

Every episode is a cliffhanger for the next episode - that IS a soap opera.

Regular shows resolved everything in one episode, MAX TWO.

The greatest show of the 90s was Star Trek - The Next Generation.
When they did a whole TWO episodes for the Borg incident, I nearly lost my mind waiting.
That Locutus story from "The Best of Both Worlds" could be a whole season if it was written for Todays viewer in a prime time action soap opera.

One of the defining features that makes a television program a soap opera, according to Albert Moran, is "that form of television that works with a continuous open narrative. While Spanish language telenovelas are sometimes called "soap operas," telenovelas have conflicts that get resolved and a definite ending after (more or less) a year of daily weekday airing. But with soap operas each episode ends with a promise that the storyline is to be continued in another episode".

 

[lazarus]

Wait a sec.... a regular 'season' (i.e. Winter, Spring, Summer & Fall) lasts for 3 months, in the real world.

But in Westeros... Summer / Winter can last for a DECADE... or even a few GENERATIONS.

They been saying "Winter is Coming" since Episode 1.... and in Epsiode 3, The Old Nan tells Bran a 'scary story' about The Long Night... "where the sun hides for several years... and children were born, and lived and died... all in Darkness."



So that's BIG CLUE for the audience that 'perceived time' unfolds at a much different rate than normal... and everything that happens onscreen (even in the same episode) might not be happening on the same day... or in the same week.

If the Summer (or Winter) lasts for 10+ years.... then some scenes (in different locations) could be happening weeks (or months) apart. Not necessarily on the same day.

If you knew all this since season 1... why would you think (in Season 6 or 7) that 'time' in Westeros should unfold in a normal 'sequential' manner that is consistent with the 'real world'?

The writers told you 'what was up' from the very beginning of the show.

Just saying.

That doesn't justify any of the time lapses lol length of seasons have nothing to do with time jumps within episodes unless you are saying some places experience time different within the same world.
It's just poor writing. Deal with it.

 

[lazarus]

The analogy of a soap Opera is spot on.

Look all the shows dubbed in this thread dubbed "GOAT" take on the Soap Opera qualities.
The fact that they come on at night makes them "prime time" soap operas. And the fact that there
is R rated themes, or action, makes them "prime time action soap operas"

Every episode is a cliffhanger for the next episode - that IS a soap opera.

Regular shows resolved everything in one episode, MAX TWO.

The greatest show of the 90s was Star Trek - The Next Generation.
When they did a whole TWO episodes for the Borg incident, I nearly lost my mind waiting.
That Locutus story from "The Best of Both Worlds" could be a whole season if it was written for Todays viewer in a prime time action soap opera.

One of the defining features that makes a television program a soap opera, according to Albert Moran, is "that form of television that works with a continuous open narrative. While Spanish language telenovelas are sometimes called "soap operas," telenovelas have conflicts that get resolved and a definite ending after (more or less) a year of daily weekday airing. But with soap operas each episode ends with a promise that the storyline is to be continued in another episode".

Sorry not going to debate someone who thinks the best show in the 90s was star trek

 

[OnSlaught]

I feel where you are coming from, however, a show with flying Dragons and wight walkers is not going to hold to logic when it comes to reasoning travel logistics and physics. I believe we are intended to "suspend disbelief" when watching the show...

1.
Theon leaves the outskirts of Winterfell in episode two. By episode four, he is at Pyke. Pyke is on an island. So I ask: Where did Theon — who was very recently "Reek," who had and still has absolutely no money and barely even half of a Yeezy sweater to his name — get a boat?

2.
Yara and Theon leave the Iron Islands with most of the Iron Fleet in episode six — Theon gets some boats, finally. By episode seven, they’re hanging out in a brothel in what appears to be the Free City of Volantis. This means they sailed around the entire continent of Westeros in one episode. I know they’re pirates, but there’s only so much that a "what is dead may never die" can-do attitude can really do before basic physics thwart you.

3.
Look, I understand that most of the Sand Snakes’ journey happened in the nexus between season five and seasons six, but I feel like the absurdity of their trip to King’s Landing needs to be addressed here. At the end of season five, the four ladies of Dorne watch from the shore of Sunspear as the doomed Myrcella sails away with Jamie and Trystane. But Obara and Nymeria must have immediately hopped on the Acela Express right after that, because they somehow catch up with that boat as soon as it gets to King’s Landing.

4.
Varys, as we know, has been chilling in Meereen, helping with the one-liners since Tyrion has been struggling with his lately. In episode 8, the buddy cop duo split up when Varys goes on a secret mission to help boost Dany’s polling numbers. Sometime prior to episode 10, Varys makes it to Sunspear in Dorne via ship to secure an alliance with the Sand Snakes and Lady Olenna. I guess that’s not so crazy, seeing as how Sunspear is the closest Westeros city to Meereen, so I’ll give it an initial pass.

But what is crazy are all of his next moves. Just within episode 10, Varys manages to wrangle up a bunch of Dornish ships, travel back to Meereen, and then sail out again with the rest of Daenarys’ fleet. Perhaps Westeros has finally entered its version of the industrial revolution and equipped all the boats with motorized propellers!

5.
The last we saw the White Walkers, in episode nine of season five, they were in Hardhome. By episode six of the next season, they’ve gotten to the Three-Eyed Raven’s Tree Cave, which most people place slightly east of the Fist of the First Men. They made it from slightly east of a tree to a tree in seven episodes. We’ve been asked to consider them an imminent danger for six seasons now, but they move at about the pace of a shopping mall that was built on top of a swamp. That is when they aren’t hurling themselves off cliffs.

 

[older version]

Sorry not going to debate someone who thinks the best show in the 90s was star trek

You don't have to apologize.

Anyway, name your best show of the 90s.

BTW, the title of the thread includes "Dynasty in Chainmail"
What was Dynasty??

 

[tusk91]

You don't have to apologize.

Anyway, name your best show of the 90s.

BTW, the title of the thread includes "Dynasty in Chainmail"
What was Dynasty??

They are bringing Dynasty back so you'll have a chance to see for yourself.

But, it was a night time soap.

 

[Camille]

You don't have to apologize.

Anyway, name your best show of the 90s.

BTW, the title of the thread includes "Dynasty in Chainmail"
What was Dynasty??

May I ask your age?

 

[lazarus]

You don't have to apologize.

Anyway, name your best show of the 90s.

BTW, the title of the thread includes "Dynasty in Chainmail"
What was Dynasty??

Op's opinion is not gospel, just in case you didn't know that.
X files and the simpsons were better

You don't have to apologize.

Anyway, name your best show of the 90s.

BTW, the title of the thread includes "Dynasty in Chainmail"
What was Dynasty??

 

[older version]

Op's opinion is not gospel, just in case you didn't know that.
X files and the simpsons were better

X Files, maybe it had a good run and following and was a regular show that came in the later 90s.

TNG had a message, just like the original.

All I'm saying is that every show that is being listed as the greatests have been Soap Operas, by definition.
Soap Operas operate on a different time table. Just because we tune in every week means nothing of how
must time has passed for the show, not even scenes in the show.

When Arya was outside the House of Black and White knocking waiting to be let in, was it days or weeks? Her timetable in that episode does not have to match up with other scenes and probably didn't.
The viewer has to determine that for themselves.

 

[older version]

May I ask your age?

Old enough to have watched first run, Hill Street Blues, Airwolf, Knight Rider, V, Magnum PI, Remington Steele, Greatest American Hero, Blue Thunder, Spencer For Hire, Hawk, etc.
Why do you ask?

 

[godmc]

Anyone arguing time in a show that does NOT reference time is a fool. A GOT episode does NOT have to follow constant linear time because no one references it.

 

[older version]

Anyone arguing time in a show that does NOT reference time is a fool. A GOT episode does NOT have to follow constant linear time because no one references it.

Hell, even "24", which did reference time (1 hour per episode) had Jack, running then driving and finding planes and flying from LA to anywhere in the US in time to finish the hour.... or something like that.
That (and I loved that show) was more of a insult to intellignce than GOT which does not state how much time passes in each viewpoint.

 

[code_pirahna]

I think it was symbolic for it realizing she wasn't the same. Thoughts of revenge is consuming her.

Maybe

 

[lazarus]

X Files, maybe it had a good run and following and was a regular show that came in the later 90s.

TNG had a message, just like the original.

All I'm saying is that every show that is being listed as the greatests have been Soap Operas, by definition.
Soap Operas operate on a different time table. Just because we tune in every week means nothing of how
must time has passed for the show, not even scenes in the show.

When Arya was outside the House of Black and White knocking waiting to be let in, was it days or weeks? Her timetable in that episode does not have to match up with other scenes and probably didn't.
The viewer has to determine that for themselves.

Game of thrones is not a soap opera and not categorized as one. Just stop reaching already

 

[Flawless]

It's probably been 5 years or maybe less since Ned got his head cut off. The only time skips in the show is when people are traveling or gathering armies, for example it took couple weeks for Stannis to reach the North, and I will assume it must have taken couple weeks or months for Rob to gather a army and fight the Lannisters. And cats who are mentioning how aria and Bran grew up it's called puberty.

 

[princeprince]

Game of thrones is not a soap opera and not categorized as one. Just stop reaching already

It is turning into a soap opera this season, this so far is one of the worst seasons.

 

[shamone]

Hell, even "24", which did reference time (1 hour per episode) had Jack, running then driving and finding planes and flying from LA to anywhere in the US in time to finish the hour.... or something like that.
That (and I loved that show) was more of a insult to intellignce than GOT which does not state how much time passes in each viewpoint.

man, jack didn't even take a shit or piss during those "days". when he got some pussy , he bust in 10 minutes. keifer said in an interview " i was going for round 2 "but the russians killed her lol. certain shows, idgaf time. is the shit good? do i want to see folks in the woods and on ships more than i need to? fuck no. 5 episodes are left for the season. i have a feeling that mfs are going to be catching hell in all these episodes. that what i want to see. the only time i'm upset about time is the fact there's only 5-7 hrs left of this season ,depending on the episode length.

 

[tajshan]

you need to rewatch from s1 you completely missed the game

he isn't flip flopping - like Littlefinger - he has been setting up pieces and manipulating shit since +20 years ago on a plan to be exactly where he is now -its not luck, his plan since s1 has been to overthrow the Baratheons and Lannisters
he is still on plan
Varys is at the side of an invading ruler and most of her army is due to his moves made decades ago
not including his recent recruitment of the Tyrells and Martells

and thats just TV - his game is way worse in the books

He was being honest with Danny - but if she goes mad - Varys will be the one that manipulates her downfall

Varys is thorough as fuck - on TV -but in the books he is almost fucking Xanatos like

EXCEPT - when he had to leave King's Landing because Tyrion killed Tywin. He damn sho was not looking like a happy camper

 

[Camille]

Old enough to have watched first run, Hill Street Blues, Airwolf, Knight Rider, V, Magnum PI, Remington Steele, Greatest American Hero, Blue Thunder, Spencer For Hire, Hawk, etc.
Why do you ask?

I figured you were young to not remember Dynasty, but you are supposed to be an older version. Diahann Caroll being on the show was a big deal back in the day. Also a lot of Alexis Carrington pop culture references many were familiar with even if they didn't watch the show.

 

[ViCiouS]

X Files, maybe it had a good run and following and was a regular show that came in the later 90s.

TNG had a message, just like the original.

All I'm saying is that every show that is being listed as the greatests have been Soap Operas, by definition.
Soap Operas operate on a different time table. Just because we tune in every week means nothing of how
must time has passed for the show, not even scenes in the show.

When Arya was outside the House of Black and White knocking waiting to be let in, was it days or weeks? Her timetable in that episode does not have to match up with other scenes and probably didn't.
The viewer has to determine that for themselves.

Wire, Breaking Bad, True Detective, Westworld, Boardwalk, GoT, Rome, Carnivale, Justified, Boardwalk, and others were never soaps- look to your own reference

a soap opera, according to Albert Moran, is "that form of television that works with a continuous open narrative

continuous open narrative

none of those shows meet that - all of them have closed arcs -or told stores where a definitive ending was already written / determined before a pilot episode was bought
except for Carnivale and Boardwalk - each season of the other shows can stand alone as an individual novel / book
your issue might be being accustomed to 1 hour story arcs vs 8 to 13 hour story arcs

 

[Flawless]

you need to rewatch from s1 you completely missed the game

he isn't flip flopping - like Littlefinger - he has been setting up pieces and manipulating shit since +20 years ago on a plan to be exactly where he is now -its not luck, his plan since s1 has been to overthrow the Baratheons and Lannisters
he is still on plan
Varys is at the side of an invading ruler and most of her army is due to his moves made decades ago
not including his recent recruitment of the Tyrells and Martells

and thats just TV - his game is way worse in the books

He was being honest with Danny - but if she goes mad - Varys will be the one that manipulates her downfall

Varys is thorough as fuck - on TV -but in the books he is almost fucking Xanatos like

You are giving Varys too much credit. If he had put these plans in place decades ago why did he follow Roberts orders and sent a assasin to kill Danny? He hasn't done much imo but kiss up to whoever he thinks will win the iron throne. Little Finger on the other hand has done much more in shaping Wedteros.

 

[dbrizzz]

It is turning into a soap opera this season, this so far is one of the worst seasons.

Man stop it

 

[ViCiouS]

You are giving Varys too much credit. If he had put these plans in place decades ago why did he follow Roberts orders and sent a assasin to kill Danny? He hasn't done much imo but kiss up to whoever he thinks will win the iron throne. Little Finger on the other hand has done much more in shaping Wedteros.

because you weren't paying attention - Littlefinger, Varis, and Tywin were always playing chess in everything

To Varis' crew Danny was expendable - the prince they were betting on was her brother - thats why Danny was married to the Drogo in exchange for an invasion army of Dothraki for Viceron
Remember when this happened Viceron felt Drogo was dragging his feet on delivering his army to prepare for an invasion.
So Varis had no problem sending the assassin because it was even better for the conspirators if pregnant Danny died by assassination- cause they planned to make sure Drogo knew it was Robert that sent the assassin. Extra motivation to get Drogo on page with Viceron

the only miscalculation was Viceron's character was based on Trump j/k

 

[Helico-pterFunk]

 

[grownazzblakman]

That doesn't justify any of the time lapses lol length of seasons have nothing to do with time jumps within episodes unless you are saying some places experience time different within the same world.
It's just poor writing. Deal with it.

Welp, since I can’t convince you…. I’ll let GRRM himself .... and his TV Producer (Bryan Cogman) tell you wassup.

George R.R. Martin Interview (just watch 35 seconds of this interview…. from the 27:32 to 28:07 mark…. then keep on reading below)



Also George RR Martin talks about CHRONOLOGY in his books

Here is a screenshot of the “Foreward” section of his book “A Song of Ice & Fire”...

“A Song of Ice and Fire is told through the eyes of characters who are sometimes hundreds or even thousands of miles apart from one another. Some chapters cover a day, some only an hour; others might span a fortnight, a month, half a year. With such a structure, the narrative cannot be strictly sequential; sometimes important things are happening simultaneously, a thousand leagues apart.” - George RR Martin

Bryan Cogman is one of the Producers of Game of Thrones.

Here is a direct quote from him:

“The timelines between the various storylines don’t necessarily line up within a given episode. For instance, the ‘Northern Tour’ Jon and Sansa embark on would probably take a couple weeks, but Arya’s storyline over the past few episodes only spans a few days. We realized a while ago that if we tied ourselves in knots trying to make all the ‘story days’ line up between all the characters..... the momentum would suffer.” - Bryan Cogman


To Sum up….

• All the storylines are told from several different ‘points of view’.
• So when you are watching a single episode & the scenery changes from Winterfell to say Mereen, or King's Landing..... we are now watching the story from somebody else's point of view .
• But some of these events might (or might not) be happening at the same time. (according to GRRM himself )

Therefore, various characters have always moved at the speed which the plot requires.

“This is to avoid things like, say, Arya spending four episodes on a boat.” - Bryan Cogman

The tv show would drag on FOREVER if they did everything sequentially (like a normal tv format) and we see Arya on a boat traveling to Braavos for multiple episodes… while Dany is invading a city in Essos.... or while Jon Snow is fighting off a Wildling Army at the Wall... or while Cersei is attending several Small Council meetings in Kings Landing.

But most people just ‘get it’.... once they realize that Winter lasts for well over a Decade.

So they don’t blame ‘lazy writing’.... because its not much of an issue.

Additional Sources:
https://winteriscoming.net/2016/06/27/how-did-varys-travel-between-dorne-and-meereen-so-quickly/
https://winteriscoming.net/2016/06/...er-explains-how-characters-travel-so-quickly/

 

[Camille]

Welp, since I can’t convince you…. I’ll let GRRM himself .... and his TV Producer (Bryan Cogman) tell you wassup.

George R.R. Martin Interview (just watch 35 seconds of this interview…. from the 27:32 to 28:07 mark…. then keep on reading below)



Also George RR Martin talks about CHRONOLOGY in his books

Here is a screenshot of the “Foreward” section of his book “A Song of Ice & Fire”...

“A Song of Ice and Fire is told through the eyes of characters who are sometimes hundreds or even thousands of miles apart from one another. Some chapters cover a day, some only an hour; others might span a fortnight, a month, half a year. With such a structure, the narrative cannot be strictly sequential; sometimes important things are happening simultaneously, a thousand leagues apart.” - George RR Martin

Bryan Cogman is one of the Producers of Game of Thrones.

Here is a direct quote from him:

“The timelines between the various storylines don’t necessarily line up within a given episode. For instance, the ‘Northern Tour’ Jon and Sansa embark on would probably take a couple weeks, but Arya’s storyline over the past few episodes only spans a few days. We realized a while ago that if we tied ourselves in knots trying to make all the ‘story days’ line up between all the characters..... the momentum would suffer.” - Bryan Cogman


To Sum up….

• All the storylines are told from several different ‘points of view’.
• So when you are watching a single episode & the scenery changes from Winterfell to say Mereen, or King's Landing..... we are now watching the story from somebody else's point of view .
• But some of these events might (or might not) be happening at the same time. (according to GRRM himself )

Therefore, various characters have always moved at the speed which the plot requires.

“This is to avoid things like, say, Arya spending four episodes on a boat.” - Bryan Cogman

The tv show would drag on FOREVER if they did everything sequentially (like a normal tv format) and we see Arya on a boat traveling to Braavos for multiple episodes… while Dany is invading a city in Essos.... or while Jon Snow is fighting off a Wildling Army at the Wall... or while Cersei is attending several Small Council meetings in Kings Landing.

But most people just ‘get it’.... once they realize that Winter lasts for well over a Decade.

So they don’t blame ‘lazy writing’.... because its not much of an issue.

Additional Sources:
https://winteriscoming.net/2016/06/27/how-did-varys-travel-between-dorne-and-meereen-so-quickly/
https://winteriscoming.net/2016/06/...er-explains-how-characters-travel-so-quickly/

This was my understanding. I tried to find this quote “The timelines between the various storylines don’t necessarily line up within a given episode. For instance, the ‘Northern Tour’ Jon and Sansa embark on would probably take a couple weeks, but Arya’s storyline over the past few episodes only spans a few days. We realized a while ago that if we tied ourselves in knots trying to make all the ‘story days’ line up between all the characters..... the momentum would suffer.” - Bryan Cogman
as it had been posted in this thread before, I think at the end of last season, but I couldn't find it and was content to let y'all argue back and forth...lol...

 

[lazarus]

Welp, since I can’t convince you…. I’ll let GRRM himself .... and his TV Producer (Bryan Cogman) tell you wassup.

George R.R. Martin Interview (just watch 35 seconds of this interview…. from the 27:32 to 28:07 mark…. then keep on reading below)



Also George RR Martin talks about CHRONOLOGY in his books

Here is a screenshot of the “Foreward” section of his book “A Song of Ice & Fire”...

“A Song of Ice and Fire is told through the eyes of characters who are sometimes hundreds or even thousands of miles apart from one another. Some chapters cover a day, some only an hour; others might span a fortnight, a month, half a year. With such a structure, the narrative cannot be strictly sequential; sometimes important things are happening simultaneously, a thousand leagues apart.” - George RR Martin

Bryan Cogman is one of the Producers of Game of Thrones.

Here is a direct quote from him:

“The timelines between the various storylines don’t necessarily line up within a given episode. For instance, the ‘Northern Tour’ Jon and Sansa embark on would probably take a couple weeks, but Arya’s storyline over the past few episodes only spans a few days. We realized a while ago that if we tied ourselves in knots trying to make all the ‘story days’ line up between all the characters..... the momentum would suffer.” - Bryan Cogman


To Sum up….

• All the storylines are told from several different ‘points of view’.
• So when you are watching a single episode & the scenery changes from Winterfell to say Mereen, or King's Landing..... we are now watching the story from somebody else's point of view .
• But some of these events might (or might not) be happening at the same time. (according to GRRM himself )

Therefore, various characters have always moved at the speed which the plot requires.

“This is to avoid things like, say, Arya spending four episodes on a boat.” - Bryan Cogman

The tv show would drag on FOREVER if they did everything sequentially (like a normal tv format) and we see Arya on a boat traveling to Braavos for multiple episodes… while Dany is invading a city in Essos.... or while Jon Snow is fighting off a Wildling Army at the Wall... or while Cersei is attending several Small Council meetings in Kings Landing.

But most people just ‘get it’.... once they realize that Winter lasts for well over a Decade.

So they don’t blame ‘lazy writing’.... because its not much of an issue.

Additional Sources:
https://winteriscoming.net/2016/06/27/how-did-varys-travel-between-dorne-and-meereen-so-quickly/
https://winteriscoming.net/2016/06/...er-explains-how-characters-travel-so-quickly/

you just detailed the problem with making a book into a tv format. Still not an excuse. If you operate in a tv format, you have to make it a digestible manner for your audience. You have to rearrange scenes so that they happen prior to allow for time lapses and give the appearance of time passing, not follow the book as it bounces around all over the place. It is lazy writing and can be fixed. This prevents the show from being "GOAT" Sorry.

 

[TENT]

You are an idiot.

Sorry not going to debate someone who thinks the best show in the 90s was star trek

 

[lazarus]

You are an idiot.

Says the clown with a perfect signature for what you are. Personal insults because someone doesn't agree your infatuation of GOT? Seek help.

 

[grownazzblakman]

you just detailed the problem with making a book into a tv format. Still not an excuse. If you operate in a tv format, you have to make it a digestible manner for your audience. You have to rearrange scenes so that they happen prior to allow for time lapses and give the appearance of time passing, not follow the book as it bounces around all over the place. It is lazy writing and can be fixed. This prevents the show from being "GOAT" Sorry.

Nope. I disagree completely.

Sorry, but HBO doesn't have to 'rearrange scenes' just to appeal to the 'lowest common denominator' of audience intelligence.

The keyword you left out of your description above is called... 'pandering'.

This show doesn't pander to 'low IQ' viewers (who need everything 'spoon fed' to them) so that they can follow along at a snail's pace.

From the very 1st episode, this show 'throws you into the deep end'.... and assumes you 'know how to swim'.

(That's a big part of what makes it so good, in the first place. )

It's a fantasy show. Set in a fantasy environment.

So it requires some 'suspension of disbelief' in order to enjoy it.
(And that 'disbelief' also includes 'time elapsing in a normal, structured sequence of events'. )

If you 'need a calendar' or some 'onscreen text' to CONSTANTLY let you know 'what day of the week it is'... or 'what scene should be next'... in order to understand that 'time is passing'.... there's tons of OTHER shows on TV to watch that DO just that.

It's not lazy writing.... It's lazy viewing/thinking.

The vast majority of people who watch the show don't have a problem with it.

 

[FJP]

Lol@ lazy writing...seriously man so what is the GOAT to you?

 

[older version]

I figured you were young to not remember Dynasty, but you are supposed to be an older version. Diahann Caroll being on the show was a big deal back in the day. Also a lot of Alexis Carrington pop culture references many were familiar with even if they didn't watch the show.

It was a rhetorical question for lazarus to lead into. I knew of it but didn't watch it still. Note all the other shows I posted, I watched
and all were "guy" shows that had fast cars, planes, guns or action. The fluffiest show I watched during that era was Cagney and Lacey or
Charlie's Angels.
The shows I watched most were Black shows which were damn near always comedies (Jeffersons, Different Strokes), get where I'm coming from? When it
came to action, Hawk was a little big deal and Action Jackson in the movies. When the 90s came, I followed DS9 because of Avery Brooks.

 

[Camille]

It was a rhetorical question for lazarus to lead into. I knew of it but didn't watch it still. Note all the other shows I posted, I watched
and all were "guy" shows that had fast cars, planes, guns or action. The fluffiest show I watched during that era was Cagney and Lacey or
Charlie's Angels.
The shows I watched most were Black shows which were damn near always comedies (Jeffersons, Different Strokes), get where I'm coming from? When it
came to action, Hawk was a little big deal and Action Jackson in the movies. When the 90s came, I followed DS9 because of Avery Brooks.

I loved Charlie's Angels. I hated the comedy reboots.

 

[dbrizzz]

you just detailed the problem with making a book into a tv format. Still not an excuse. If you operate in a tv format, you have to make it a digestible manner for your audience. You have to rearrange scenes so that they happen prior to allow for time lapses and give the appearance of time passing, not follow the book as it bounces around all over the place. It is lazy writing and can be fixed. This prevents the show from being "GOAT" Sorry.

Enough man! I can't wait for episode 3

 

[lazarus]

Nope. I disagree completely.

Sorry, but HBO doesn't have to 'rearrange scenes' just to appeal to the 'lowest common denominator' of audience intelligence.

The keyword you left out of your description above is called... 'pandering'.

This show doesn't pander to 'low IQ' viewers (who need everything 'spoon fed' to them) so that they can follow along at a snail's pace.

From the very 1st episode, this show 'throws you into the deep end'.... and assumes you 'know how to swim'.

(That's a big part of what makes it so good, in the first place. )

It's a fantasy show. Set in a fantasy environment.

So it requires some 'suspension of disbelief' in order to enjoy it.
(And that 'disbelief' also includes 'time elapsing in a normal, structured sequence of events'. )

If you 'need a calendar' or some 'onscreen text' to CONSTANTLY let you know 'what day of the week it is'... or 'what scene should be next'... in order to understand that 'time is passing'.... there's tons of OTHER shows on TV to watch that DO just that.

It's not lazy writing.... It's lazy viewing/thinking.

The vast majority of people who watch the show don't have a problem with it.

It has nothing to do with intelligence. Your entire post reeked with insecurity about your own intelligence. Someone disagrees with you, your lack of composing a valid argument forces you to resort to your child-like mindset. You are one of those dudes that in order to feel better about yourself, you try to put down others. It's quite pathetic. If we compared educational backgrounds, you would fall far behind. Seek a therapist.

It has to do with lazy writing. The writers aren't nowhere near as smart as you want them to be. I've seen comedies with more adequate writing. Suspension of belief has nothing to do with presenting time in a way that makes sense.