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cranrab

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i don't care for marc stein, but since BGOL finds so much solace in the words of ESPN writers:

West MVP of the First Trimester
Pau Gasol (Los Angeles Lakers)

the season's first third truly belongs to a lanky Spaniard who actually missed the Lakers' first 11 games.

L.A.'s muted start without Gasol and its 15-2 record since Gasol returned from a hamstring injury have been handy reminders that it was Pau's arrival in February 2008 that restored the Lakers to glory and reconfigured the league's landscape.

One example: Gasol is suddenly averaging 12.2 rebounds per game after eight seasons during which he never topped 9.8 boards.
 
BTW, pau gasol is 5-5 FGA tonight so far. and lamar odom is 4-4 FGAs.

the fragile primadonna gloryhound is 4-9 FGAs.

who needs help again?

and the fakers are winning right now. not getting blown out. what a coincidence.
 
:smh:

2 free throws with the game on the line. And he misses both of them. Both. An 88 percent free throw shooter and he misses both of them? He could've won the game in regulation.

Turning it over in the clutch.

You need to stop this madness man. The dude just lacks both physical and mental toughness. And this is the Sacramento Kings.
 
ak_rep said:
Turning it over in the clutch.

You need to stop this madness man. The dude just lacks both physical and mental toughness. And this is the Sacramento Kings.
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you should try actually watching a game sometime.

if you were watching you'd know that tobe has been dead weight for the entire Q4 and OT.

true, pau gasol missed 2 important FTs, but what has he done single handedly in OT?

you're an embarassment.
 
be honest. you're not actually watching are you?

skimming a box score on an internet site?

because if you knew basketball AT ALL you'd know what's transpired. of course, you're not HONEST enough to tell the truth.

how did the fakers lose the lead in REGULATION AND OT? tobe.

tobe is HURTING his team by playing with that injured elbow. consecutive turnovers down the stretch.

pau gasol and lamar carried the fakers in Q4. pau gasol stepped up BIG TIME on the defensive end down the stretch too.

tobe has taken very few shots in the last 17 minutes because of that elbow injury, and pau gasol has been carrying the dead weight. PERIOD.
 
Now you're changing it up by including Odom. And still reaching.

And how can you accuse me of not watching the game when I saw soft batch miss both free throws short. As well another free throw in OT short. And turned it over on the block when the score was 92-94 Lakers. He was in an iso on the right low block and turned it over.

That discrediting routine is getting tired.

Stop the madness.

And to put that theory to rest. The one that you hold so dearly about soft batch improving the Lakers.

He's their starting PF/C. He's their starting PF. Get it?
 
ak_rep said:
Now you're changing it up by including Odom.
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:lol:

you are great comic relief.

unlike fair weather fakers fans (and tobe stans such as yourself), i've been "including" lamar odom since 2004-05

ak_rep said:
He's their starting PF/C. He's their starting PF. Get it?
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i don't mention meaningless labels like PF or C. in the triple post O that the fakers run, traditional position labels don't mean much.

but then, you're the individual with the muddled logic that suggests talent can be correctly inferred from contract compensation.
 
ak_rep said:
That discrediting routine is getting tired.
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it wouldn't be tired if you stopped doing it to yourself.

tobe substituted in Q4 at 8:33. with the fakers trailing by 3 (85-82) what was tobe's 1st contribution on O? TO.

but that's OK, because pau gasol carried his dead weight by scoring for the fakers on the very next possession.

what did tobe do next? fouled ime udoka.

when the fakers had the lead 87-86, pau gasol protected the lead with consecutive blocked shots. who did he block? oh that's right, ime udoka. because tobe couldn't stay in front of his man. again.

when ime udoka broke down tobe AGAIN and scored (88-92), who scored on the very next possession to push the lead back to 6? pau gasol. (94-88)

then who protected that lead with a block on spencer hawes? pau gasol.

so what had tobe done up until that point aside from turning over the ball, hacking, and getting burned?

:cool:

but let's continue from the pau gasol TO you selected. definitely a bad TO, especially because the kings converted it into 2 pts. fakers still owned the lead though, didn't they? (94-92)

HILARIOUS how you selectively chose to omit the unflattering FACTS that it was your boy tobe that committed consecutive TOs down the stretch that gave up the lead. where was the basketball IQ? where was the ball economy?

remember tobe getting ripped by donte greene which lead to the israeli dunk and one?

remember tobe getting roofed by donte greene on the very next possession?

2 consecutive TOs down the stretch? 2 lost possessions in clutch time?

right. but you watched the game.

sure.
 
ak_rep said:
put that theory to rest. The one that you hold so dearly about soft batch improving the Lakers.
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why put the FACT to rest? didn't the first OT prove it last night?

i mean, you claimed to have watched OT, right?

remember when pau gasol scored or assisted on EVERY fakers point in the first OT period?

or is it too painful for you to admit that tobe was ineffectual in the first half of the OT, chucking bricks?

can't bear to tell the TRUTH that it was pau gasol who dominated the 2nd half of the OT scoring 5 by himself and giving tobe a gift layup?
 
Gasol made up for his mistakes which were monumental and could've cost them the game. He should have.


And you omit the fact that he was towering over his defenders in height. Sacramento Kings.

An 88 percent free throw shooter with a chance to win the game and he chokes. Chokes. Just as I expected and prognosticated. No, I'm not happy that he's a soft batch cookie but it is what it is.

What more proof do you want? My whole argument is that in pressure situations and against good blue collar teams, he folds.

The Lakers' fans expect greatness. They pay his salary.

Let's do this. You pick a good game on the calendar, and we'll comment in real time so you'll understand how and why Gasol is a soft batch cookie. And an overall liability to the Lakers being an unstoppable force.

You try and couple him with Kobe like they're on the same planet, basketball talent wise.

Pick the game and we'll chop it up. I'm thinking maybe you'll have some class and select a game where all the major figures are healthy.

The opposition that is.
 
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from USA basketball:

Since Pau Gasol made his season debut on Nov. 19 vs. Chicago, the Lakers are 16-2, while defeating teams by an average of 10.6 points per game.

Additionally, with Gasol's return, all five starters have scored in double-figures five times whereas in the previous 11 games without him in the lineup, not once did that occur.

:cool:
 
cranrab said:
Additionally, with Gasol's return, all five starters have scored in double-figures five times whereas in the previous 11 games without him in the lineup, not once did that occur.

:cool:
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interesting little side note there...
 
damn, dudes are still crying. ok, we get it, kobes not a good player. jeeze, move on.
 
cranrab said:
sounds like you're the only person crying in this thread.

i made a thread about pau gasol with quotes from an ESPN writer and USA basketball.

sensitive tobe stans.

:smh:
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as if we dont know what your motives were. as with almost all of your posts. You made a thread about Pao, so why bring up Kobe? And we're the stans.

You still mad he won championship after shaq and got finals mvp? Yeah i know, you already said he would do this, right. ;)
 
january 6, fakers without pau gasol lose by 11

january 15, fakers with pau gasol win by 40

just a coincidence, right?

:lol:
 
eewwll said:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/powerranking?season=2010&week=12

Are you sure, trimester protesters, that Pau hasn't been more valuable than you think? The Lakers are a tidy 20-3 with the Spaniard in the lineup and a pretty pedestrian 11-6 when he's out injured. I'm just sayin'.
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only women, male homosexuals, or those with false pride (or any possible combination thereof) refuse to face the FACTS.

if you look at the win/loss record to include all of pau gasol's games in the triple post O, it's staggering.
 
cranrab said:
if you look at the win/loss record to include all of pau gasol's games in the triple post O, it's staggering.
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Yeah. I didnt realize it was THAT significant...in terms of winning percentage...They pretty much go from an above average team to elite. Actually, it even displays how critical he has been to the overall team success over the last 2-3 seasons.. this is really revealing...because not only do you have pre-gasol numbers before he arrived on the Lakers... You even have in-season statistics since has has arrived that also clearly effect HIS effect on the winning percentage of the team...where you can isolate him as the sole factor in various situations... and it is very clear that the Lakers become an average team when you remove him from the lineup.
 
eewwll said:
not only do you have pre-gasol numbers before he arrived on the Lakers... You even have in-season statistics since has has arrived that also clearly effect HIS effect on the winning percentage of the team...where you can isolate him as the sole factor in various situations
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it even allows you to see that inserting any talented individual into the roster will not have the same effect as pau gasol (ex. ron artest).
 
cranrab said:
it even allows you to see that inserting any talented individual into the roster will not have the same effect as pau gasol (ex. ron artest).
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Yeah man... really interesting stuff. I know you have been saying it for while. I was also mentioning it a bit too last season during the playoffs and not just with him on the court.. but when they run the offense through Gasol and he gets the touches, they look unstoppable... it was obvious during their playoff run last year when he was getting enough touches in the post... I just didnt realize (i guess mainly because I didnt search the info out) how statistically you could prove it easily and in various ways just how he changes their winning percentage significantly....

Because Kobe rarely sits, it is almost impossible to see how their record would be different if you could isolate him.... but it is VERY clear that Gasol is THE x-factor on that team...
 
eewwll said:
when they run the offense through Gasol and he gets the touches, they look unstoppable.
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it's a testament to the effectiveness of the triple post O that coach jackson utilizes. it is secondarily a testament to the O skills that pau gasol brings to the table. only pau gasol possesses the O skills required to power the fakers engine.

since there are so many hysterical and emotional fakers fans who lack the capacity to understand the situation when presented in fakers terms, take a look at how the minnesota timberwolves are doing in the triple post O that coach rambis employs.

there is a learning curve involved, but not one so steep that it should relegate a team to the cellar of their division. throwing any jumbled mix of talent (both cerebral and physical) will not result in the level of excellence coach jackson has experienced in the past.
 
quick example of how the incorrect personnel yields poor results with the triple post O:

"It's a change that's going to demand everybody to think the game,'' veteran forward Brian Cardinal said. "There's a huge difference in people who play the game and who think the game. It's a matter of understanding where shots are going to come from. It's easier to come down, set one screen and have somebody shoot the ball.''

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/steve_aschburner/10/20/wolves/index.html
 
another example (this time from the past) illustrates how disastrous the triple post O can be when lacking post play: coach cleamons and the dallas mavericks.

at one time or another jim jackson, jason kidd, jamal mashburn, and michael finley were all on the 1996-97 dallas mavericks. but without the post players, the dallas mavericks finished 24-58.

who did the mavericks have in the post?

eric montross, shawn bradley, a.c. green.

just more evidence that the triple post O requires excellent POST play, not pedestrian perimeter play or binge chucking.
 
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cranrab said:
january 6, fakers without pau gasol lose by 11

january 15, fakers with pau gasol win by 40

just a coincidence, right?

:lol:
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you're not going to mention the fact that Kaman (21pts, 14rb) was there for the January 6th game, but missed the January 15th game? I guess that had no impact either, right?

also, first game of the season, without gasol, the lakers beat the clippers by 7. Clippers also had kaman for that game. Next.
 
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And not to mention the fact that Pau got lit the hell up by Amare in Pheonix, right before the quote unquote injury.:smh: Lit the hell up. And I saw the whole game.

But go ahead and continue to litter this thread with text, in an attempt to mask the bottom line:

Pau is/was nowhere near MVP status. At any point, during this season.

He's good and a valuable asset to the Lakers.

And I'll repeat again, for the last time, HE'S THEIR STARTING POWER FORWARD. Of course, they are better with him. HE'S THEIR STARTING POWER FORWARD. Of course, they are better with him in the line up.

Keep playing dumb trying to pump this dude up as MVP caliber. I'm not entertaining anymore of it.

Out.
 
Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like it's from Neptune.

Noam Chomsky
 
TimRock said:
you're not going to mention the fact that Kaman (21pts, 14rb) was there for the January 6th game, but missed the January 15th game? I guess that had no impact either, right?
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:lol:

seriously?

i love the comedy fakers fans and tobe stans bring to basketball threads.

chris kaman? who couldn't earn a starting spot at C on the german national team?

chris kaman? who has played on the losing side of more contests in his career than wins?

chris kaman? no, that's not a reach at all.

AND I LIKE CHRIS KAMAN.

comedy.
 
ak_rep said:
And not to mention the fact that Pau got lit the hell up by Amare in Pheonix, right before the quote unquote injury.:smh: Lit the hell up.
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i've commented repeatedly on what pau gasol brings to the table in the triple post O. read that again. O.

and you desperately toss out how he may (or may not) have been "lit the hell up" on the D side of the ball.

:smh:

:lol: tobe stans.
 
eewwll said:
I didnt realize it was THAT significant...in terms of winning percentage...They pretty much go from an above average team to elite.
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from the official fakers website 12/28:

JUST ADD GASOL

Since Pau Gasol made his season debut 11/19 vs. Chicago, the Lakers are now 16-2 while defeating teams by an average of 10.6 points per game (191).

Additionally, with Gasol’s return, all five starters have scored in double-figures five times whereas in the previous 11 games without him in the lineup, not once did that occur.

In games played without Gasol since he joined the Lakers, Los Angeles is 15-7 overall (6-4 in 2007-08, 1-0 in 2008-09 and 8-3 in 2009-10).

With Gasol in the lineup, the Lakers are 102-24 (.810) in the regular season since he joined the team in February of 2008 (22-5 in 2007-08, 64-17 in 2008-09 and 15-2 in 2009-10) and 30-14 (.682) in the playoffs.
 
cranrab said:
:lol:

seriously?

i love the comedy fakers fans and tobe stans bring to basketball threads.

chris kaman? who couldn't earn a starting spot at C on the german national team?

chris kaman? who has played on the losing side of more contests in his career than wins?

chris kaman? no, that's not a reach at all.

AND I LIKE CHRIS KAMAN.

comedy.
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thats your comeback? i noticed you didnt respond to anything i said. Lets stay on topic. Lakers beat the clippers with and without Pao. Your point was again?

I mean, he's only their leading scorer.

Kobe lovers:lol:
 
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