Fictional Thieves

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Could James Caan and his partner from Thief pull off the bank robbery in Heat?
James Caan's character (Frank) and his partner (Barry) from Thief (1981) would likely refuse to execute the main bank robbery from Heat (1995) because their criminal philosophies and methodologies are fundamentally opposed. While Frank is a master safecracker who relies on absolute stealth, technical precision, and avoiding police confrontation, the Heat bank heist requires heavy military-grade firepower, aggressive daytime crowd control, and a willingness to engage in a massive urban shootout.
Here is how their skills, tactics, and gear contrast against the demands of the Heat robbery:
Direct Comparison of Operational Styles

Feature	Frank & Barry (Thief)	Neil McCauley’s Crew (Heat)
Primary Objective	Clean safecracking and high-value score theft under the cover of darkness.	Rapid, high-volume cash extraction from a major institution during business hours.
Approach to Violence	Professional avoidance. Violence is a strict last resort used only when crossed by corrupt bosses.	Calculated readiness. Equipped and trained to engage in full-scale urban warfare if compromised.
Technical Specialty	Burning bars, hydraulic drills, and bypassing high-tech alarm systems.	Rapid breaching, crowd management, and military-style tactical movement.
Time Frame	Hours. They take their time to meticulously burn through vaults overnight.	Minutes. The entire operation relies on strict, aggressive time discipline before police arrive.

Why Frank and Barry Would Fail (or Avoid It Entirely)

• Wrong Skill Set for a Daytime Takeover: Frank is a meticulous technician. The Far East National Bank heist in Heat is a daytime takeover robbery. Frank's expertise with thermal lances (burning bars) and bypassing alarms is completely useless when the vault is already open and the primary challenge is controlling dozens of panicking hostages.
• The Firepower Disadvantage: When Neil McCauley's crew gets compromised, they use fully automatic assault rifles (like the Colt Model 733 and FN FNC) and military fire-and-maneuver tactics to fight their way through a police blockade. Frank and Barry carry standard concealable pistols (like Frank's Colt M1911). They lack the heavy weaponry, tactical body armor, and military training required to survive the infamous Heat street shootout.
• Frank's Criminal Code: Frank's entire philosophy revolves around independence and minimizing variables. A daytime bank robbery with dozens of civilian witnesses and an immediate, guaranteed police response goes against his rule of keeping operations tightly controlled. If presented with the Heat plan, Frank would almost certainly walk away from the deal.

Ultimately, while Frank and Barry are elite at breaking into impenetrable vaults undetected, they are entirely unsuited for the chaotic, violent blitzkrieg required to pull off the signature heist from Heat.



Could Ethan Hunt's IMF pull off the casino heist in Ocean's 11?
Ethan Hunt's IMF (Impossible Missions Force) team from the Mission: Impossible franchise would not just pull off the Bellagio casino heist from Ocean's Eleven—they would do it with far cleaner execution, zero loose ends, and without Terry Benedict ever realizing he was robbed.
Danny Ocean’s crew relies on classic con-artist misdirection, inside help, and elaborate staging. The IMF, by contrast, possesses near-futuristic technology, unmatched combat and infiltration skills, and state-sponsored resources that turn a complex casino heist into a routine Tuesday assignment.
Operational Comparison

Feature	Danny Ocean’s Eleven (Ocean's Eleven)	Ethan Hunt’s IMF Team (Mission: Impossible)
Resources & Scale	Independent crew of 11 specialists; self-funded with limited street tech.	Ultra-high-tech government agency with global logistical backing and cutting-edge tech.
Infiltration Tactics	Physical disguises, inside men, and elaborate theatrical staging.	Lifelike lifemasks, digital voice synthesis, and impossible physical infiltration (vent drops, gauntlets).
The Vault Strategy	Blew the vault doors with EMP/explosives after smuggling a mock vault into a van.	Hacking the security mainframe, sedating guards wirelessly, or physically bypassing the vault mechanically.
Contingency Plan	Relies on Terry Benedict not realizing the SWAT team is a fake.	Flawless extractions via stealth aircraft, high-speed vehicles, or erasing all digital footprints.

How the IMF Would Execute the Bellagio Heist
If Ethan Hunt (Tom Cruise) and his core team—Luther Stickell (Ving Rhames), Benji Dunn (Simon Pegg), and Ilsa Faust (Rebecca Ferguson)—targeted Terry Benedict's vault, they would bypass the need for an 11-man crew entirely.

• The Setup (The Lifemasks): Ocean’s crew needed Linus to play a gaming commissioner and Yen to hide in a cart. The IMF would simply have Benji print a hyper-realistic 3D lifemask and a vocal synthesizer of Terry Benedict himself. Ethan Hunt would walk straight into the secure backrooms of the Bellagio as the owner, bypass biometric scans with cloned prints, and order the vault opened.
• Bypassing the Las Vegas Power Grid: Ocean’s crew needed a massive, unstable EMP "pinch" to black out Las Vegas. Luther Stickell and Benji would easily hack the Bellagio’s security mainframe remotely, feeding the control room looped, pre-recorded footage of an empty vault while the cash was being emptied.
• The "Impossible" Vault Shaft: The Bellagio vault features a sensor-heavy elevator shaft that requires acrobatics. For Ethan Hunt, dropping down a vertical shaft on a mag-lev cable, stopping precisely millimeters above a pressure-sensitive floor, is his signature move. He would glide past the sensors without needing to detonate explosives.
• The Extraction: Danny Ocean’s crew had to stage a fake SWAT team exit, risking immediate arrest if Benedict’s men looked too closely. The IMF would likely use a high-tech concealment system, walk out disguised as high-roller security, or simply extract the cash through an underground utility line using specialized automated drones.

The Major Advantage: No Emotional Drama
Danny Ocean’s heist is heavily compromised by his personal motive: winning back Tess. This introduces massive operational variables and landmines. Ethan Hunt's team operates with cold, clockwork military precision. They have no personal ties to Benedict, meaning they would hit the vault, secure the money, and vanish into thin air without leaving a single clue for the police or the Nevada Gaming Commission to trace.



Could Neil McCauley's crew pull off the Italian job?
Yes, Neil McCauley’s crew could absolutely pull off the gold heist, but it would look vastly different from the high-speed, lighthearted caper in The Italian Job.
Where Charlie Croker’s crew relies on cheeky showmanship, precise driving, and mini-coopers, McCauley's crew (Heat) is an ultra-professional, militaristic heavy-weapons squad. They approach heists with cold, corporate efficiency. If they targeted the $35 million in Chinese gold bullion in Turin (or the Los Angeles version), there would be no red, white, and blue Mini Coopers. It would be a clinical, overwhelming display of tactical force.
Here is how McCauley's crew would execute the heist:
1. The Setup and Intel
In The Italian Job, the crew relies on hacking the city’s automated traffic control system to create a gridlock. McCauley’s crew would handle this with identical precision, but far less theatricality.

• Nate (their handler) would secure the blueprint of the armored car routes and the exact schedule of the gold transport.
• Kelso (the high-level tech source played by Tom Noonan in Heat) would find the vulnerability in the city's traffic network. Instead of using it to orchestrate a beautifully timed escape route for tiny cars, they would use the traffic gridlock strictly to isolate the armored truck at a precise, pre-determined kill zone.

2. The Takedown (The "Armored Car" Specialty)
The opening of Heat proves that McCauley's crew are masters at hitting armored vehicles. They wouldn't bother dropping the truck through a plaza floor like in the 2003 remake.

• Chris Shiherlis and Michael Cheritto would block the armored car using a heavy commercial vehicle (like a tow truck or a semi).
• They would detonate shaped linear charges on the armored car's doors—exactly as they did in the opening of Heat—breaching the vault in under two minutes.
• There would be no negotiation. The guards would be disarmed, bound, and neutralized instantly. McCauley’s rule is absolute: total compliance or immediate execution.

3. The Logistics and Getaway
The Italian Job relies on the gold being loaded into small, agile Mini Coopers to navigate subway tunnels and narrow alleys. McCauley's crew views this as an unnecessary variable that risks mechanical failure.

• Trejo (or a hired hand) would be waiting with a high-horsepower, utilitarian box van or heavy-duty pickup with a modified suspension to handle the immense weight of the gold bullion.
• The gold would be transferred in seconds. They would ditch the primary vehicle at a pre-scouted "switch spot" within blocks of the heist, moving the gold into an entirely clean, untraceable vehicle before the police even finish navigating the traffic jam.

4. Handling the Aftermath (The "Edward Norton / Steve" Traitor Factor)
A major plot point in The Italian Job is the inside traitor (Steve) who steals the gold and kills the elder safecracker, John Bridger.
If someone tried to betray Neil McCauley, the movie would end an hour early. McCauley lives by a strict code, and his retaliation is lethal. If a crew member like Waingro stepped out of line or tried to double-cross them for the gold, McCauley would hunt them down ruthlessly. The traitor would be eliminated long before they could enjoy a single bar of the gold.
Comparison: Croker’s Crew vs. McCauley’s Crew

Feature	Charlie Croker (The Italian Job)	Neil McCauley (Heat)
Tone	Playful, stylish, and low-casualty	Intense, clinical, and militaristic
Method	Chaos theory, hacking, and precision driving	Overwhelming firepower and shaped charges
Escape Vehicle	Three customized Mini Coopers	Untraceable, heavy-duty utility vans
If Cornered	They outsmart and out-drive the police	A massive, open-air firefight in the streets

 

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Could Danny Ocean's crew pull off the bearer bonds heist in Die Hard?
Yes, Danny Ocean’s crew could absolutely pull off the Nakatomi Plaza heist, and they would likely do it cleaner, quieter, and without firing a single shot. [1]
While Hans Gruber relied on heavy firepower, hostages, and military-style intimidation to force the FBI into cutting the building's power, Danny Ocean’s crew specializes in stealth, psychological manipulation, and technical wizardry. Here is how the Eleven would break the Nakatomi vault and walk away with the $640 million in bearer bonds, completely bypassing the bloody chaos of Die Hard. [1, 2, 3]
1. Cracking the Nakatomi Vault (Without the FBI)
The Nakatomi vault relies on a sequence of seven locks, concluding with an electromagnetic seal powered by the downtown Los Angeles power grid. Gruber needed a hostage situation to trick the FBI into cutting the power grid for him. [1]
Danny's crew has a much more elegant solution: Basher Tarr and Livingston Dell.

• Instead of waiting for the government to shut off the grid, Basher would use a pinch (the electromagnetic pulse device from Ocean's Eleven) to instantly knock out the power grid of downtown LA for a critical 30-second window.
• In that dark window, Linus Caldwell or Amazing Yen would bypass the mechanical locks, slipping into the vault completely undetected. [1]

2. Eliminating the Hostage Crisis
Gruber needed the Christmas party guests as leverage. Danny Ocean’s philosophy relies on zero casualties and zero hostages. [1, 2]

• Rusty Ryan and Frank Catton would infiltrate the Nakatomi Corporation weeks prior as high-level consultants, event planners, or caterers. [1]
• Using a classic con, they would manipulate the schedule, perhaps forging an executive memo moving the Christmas party to a completely different off-site venue, or slipping laxatives into the catering so the building clears out early. [1, 2]
• If they had to hit during the party, they would use a distraction—like a staged fire drill or a fake gas leak orchestrated by the Malloy twins—to smoothly evacuate the building before the heist even starts.

3. Handling Building Security
Nakatomi's security was notoriously lax, relying on just a couple of guards at the front desk. [1, 2]

• Rather than killing them like Gruber's men did, Saul Bloom would play a wealthy, demanding foreign investor arriving late for a meeting, completely occupying the guards' attention.
• Meanwhile, Livingston Dell would tap into the building's security cameras, looping the feed so the guards see empty hallways while the vault is being emptied.

4. Bypassing John McClane
The wild card of Die Hard is NYPD Detective John McClane. In Gruber's timeline, McClane is forced into action because a terrorist cell locks down the building and starts executing executives. [1, 2]
Under Danny Ocean's direction, McClane wouldn't even know a heist was happening. Since there would be no explosions, no gunfire, and no hostages, McClane would spend his Christmas Eve peacefully making up with his wife, Holly, in her office while the crew downstairs cleanly loads $640 million into a fake maintenance van. [1, 2]
Comparison: Gruber vs. Ocean

Strategy	Hans Gruber (Terrorist Tactic)	Danny Ocean (The Con Job)
Body Count	High (Executions, police, and henchmen)	Zero
Vault Entry	Demanded FBI intervention to cut power	EMP/Pinch to manually kill the grid
The Getaway	Faking death in an exploding rooftop	Walking out the front door in uniform
John McClane	Hunted down and eventually killed by him	Left completely undisturbed

 

[doug777]

Could Charlie Crocker's crew pull off the Clearance Bank heist in Entrapment?












No, Charlie Croker’s crew would likely fail to pull off the International Clearance Bank heist from Entrapment in the manner it was designed. While they excel at logistics, physical vault cracking, and grid manipulation, they completely lack the elite, acrobatic cat-burglar skills required to infiltrate the high-tech, laser-guarded Petronas Towers mainframe. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]
A direct comparison of their capabilities against the heist's unique requirements reveals why they are ill-suited for this specific job:

The Tech Barrier: Lyle vs. Y2K

• The Requirement: The heist depends on siphoning $8 billion during a highly specific 30-second window while the bank's global computer mainframe resets for the millennium bug. [1, 2]
• The Crew's Capability: If we look at the modern 2003 crew, Lyle is a brilliant hacker capable of altering traffic grids and looping surveillance feeds. He could arguably handle the code injection. However, the 1969 crew's tech expert, Professor Peach, only understood basic magnetic-tape traffic manipulation and would be completely useless in a Y2K data center. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

The Physical Barrier: No "Cat" in the Crew

• The Requirement: Sneaking into the mainframe room requires extreme agility, famously highlighted by Gin Baker fluidly contorting through a deadly, rhythmic grid of security lasers. The escape requires a terrifying, high-altitude zipline walk across cables dangling 70+ stories in the air between the twin towers. [1, 2, 3, 4]
• The Crew's Capability: Charlie Croker's crew consists of drivers (Handsome Rob), safecrackers (Stella Bridger), and demolitions experts (Left Ear). They are ground-level, blue-collar heavy hitters. None of them possess the Olympic-level gymnastic or ballet-like coordination of Gin Baker to dance through a motion-sensor field undetected. [1, 2, 3]

Structural Strategy Clash

• The Italian Job Style: Croker’s crew works by altering the physical environment—blowing a hole through a floor to drop a vault, creating massive citywide gridlock, and making a high-speed escape in customized Mini Coopers.
• The Entrapment Style: This heist is a ghost operation. It requires near-invisible infiltration, leaving the building perfectly intact so the digital theft goes unnoticed until it is too late. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

If Charlie Croker attempted this, Left Ear would try to blow up the server room, triggering immediate military-grade lockdown protocols at the Petronas Towers. Without an elite acrobat to bypass the lasers and a way to drive Mini Coopers down the side of a skyscraper, the crew would find themselves completely out of their depth. [1, 2]





Is Alexander Mundy capable of stealing The Rabbit's Foot?













Yes, Alexander Mundy can absolutely steal the Rabbit’s Foot, but he would pull it off in a completely different way than Ethan Hunt.
As the suave, world-class cat burglar from the classic television series It Takes a Thief, Mundy (played by Robert Wagner) operates on charm, misdirection, and masterful lock-picking rather than high-octane gadgets or base-jumping off skyscrapers. [1, 2]
Stealing the Rabbit's Foot—the highly guarded, mysterious biohazard canister/source-code MacGuffin from Mission: Impossible III—would showcase the sharp contrast between his stealth and Hunt’s brute-force agility: [1, 2]

The Approach: Infiltration vs. Assault

• Ethan Hunt’s Style: Hunt steals the Rabbit's Foot from a heavily guarded Shanghai skyscraper by leap-of-faith swinging from the roof of one tower to another, shooting his way through Chinese ex-military guards, and parachuting down. [1, 2]
• Alexander Mundy’s Style: Mundy wouldn't dream of jumping off a building. As an asset for the SIA (Secret Intelligence Agency), Mundy would steal it by slipping into the building days prior. He would forge credentials as a high-ranking international inspector, seduce a high-level executive with security clearance, or orchestrate a fake gala inside the complex. [1]

Handling the Security Grid
The Shanghai facility features a state-of-the-art security apparatus. While Mundy isn’t an Olympic-level gymnast, he is a master of bypasses:

• The Alarms: Mundy’s specialty is cracking the uncrackable. He would locate the physical security mainframe and rewire it or use a localized blackout to give himself a clean window.
• The Guards: While Hunt fights his way out, Mundy relies on being a ghost. If caught, he uses his quick wit and smooth talking to talk his way out of trouble, or uses a pre-planned distraction to vanish into the shadows before anyone pulls a weapon.

The Verdict
If the SIA told Mundy, "It takes a thief to steal the Rabbit's Foot," he would accept the challenge. While Ethan Hunt's extraction was a loud, explosive spectacle, Mundy’s heist would be quiet and sophisticated. By the time the Chinese firm realized the container holding the liquid code was missing, Mundy would already be sipping a martini in a tuxedo miles away. [1, 2, 3]

 

[doug777]

Thomas Crown and Catherine Banning are planning to steal the Mona Lisa, and so are Robert MacDougall and Virginia Baker. Is either pair capable? If so, who wins?
Both pairs are exceptionally capable elite art thieves, but they possess entirely different operational styles. Both couples could successfully breach the Louvre to steal the Mona Lisa, but in a direct head-to-head race, Thomas Crown and Catherine Banning take the win.
Here is how the two matchups compare across execution capability, strategy, and the final outcome:
Capability Assessment

• Robert MacDougall & Virginia Baker (Entrapment): They are master acrobats and data hackers. To break into a high-security vault, they rely heavily on physical agility (like Gin famously contorting through a practice grid of red laser strings), deep-tissue blueprint hacking, and perfectly timed environmental distractions (such as the Y2K countdown fireworks).
• Thomas Crown & Catherine Banning (The Thomas Crown Affair): Thomas Crown doesn't crawl through vents or dodge laser beams. Instead, he uses his limitless billionaire resources, psychological warfare, and massive organizational misdirection. Backed by Catherine's unmatched understanding of museum security infrastructure, Crown defeats high-tech sensors simply by manipulating the human beings monitoring them.

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️ The Battlefield: The Mona Lisa (The Louvre)
The Mona Lisa is not just sitting behind standard laser grids; it is encased in custom, triple-laminated bulletproof glass, equipped with independent seismic sensors, climate control trackers, and protected by round-the-clock guards inside a heavily populated open wing.

Team Attribute	Mac & Gin (Entrapment)	Crown & Banning (Thomas Crown)
Primary Method	High-tech infiltration & acrobatics	Social engineering & mass distraction
Louvre Advantage	Can bypass structural alarms and physical glass cuts.	Can control the crowd and overwhelm guard protocols.
Critical Weakness	Rely on perfect timing; alarms trigger on human error.	Relies on expensive logistical setup.

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Why Thomas Crown & Catherine Banning Win
If both teams targeted the painting on the exact same night, Crown and Banning would walk away with the original masterpiece while Mac and Gin find themselves trapped.

1. Crown Dictates the Chaos: Mac and Gin rely on external chaos to make their move. Crown creates the chaos. Just like his legendary "Son of Man" bowler hat stunt at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, Crown would flood the Louvre with an overwhelming logistical trick—perhaps hiring fifty identical decoys, triggering a localized climate emergency, or falsifying a fire drill that forces immediate evacuation.
2. The Social Engineering Trap: Mac and Gin would spend weeks precisely measuring the bulletproof casing and calculating laser intervals. Crown would simply buy the company that services the Louvre’s security software, or trick the museum staff into moving the painting themselves.
3. The Counter-Investigation Shield: Catherine Banning is an elite insurance investigator. While Gin is busy trying to outsmart her own insurance handlers, Banning would actively insert herself into the Louvre's emergency response team, feeding false data to the police and blinding them to Crown's true escape route.

While Mac and Gin are dangling from the ceiling cutting the glass casing, Crown's hired distractions would trigger a lockdown, trapping the Entrapment duo inside. Meanwhile, Thomas Crown would already be boarding a private jet with the genuine article tucked neatly in his luggage.

 

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Steve The Italian Job, Waingo Heat, and Mr. Blonde Reservoir Dogs team up to rob the 30 or so banks the ex-president's crew robbed in Point Break. Who's the leader and master planner, and how successful would they be? Run it with and without Kelso from Heat supplying tech support for a percentage.
This fictional heist crossover pits three high-risk criminals—Steve (The Italian Job), Waingo (Heat), and Mr. Blonde (Reservoir Dogs)—against the relentless bank-robbing schedule of the Ex-Presidents (Point Break).
Here is how this volatile crew would fare under two different scenarios.

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Crew Dynamics: The Leader & Master Planner
Steve is the undisputed leader and master planner.

• The Logic: Neither Waingo nor Mr. Blonde possess the tactical intelligence, patience, or organizational skills required to plan a heist. Waingo is a reckless mercenary, and Mr. Blonde is a sadistic, unpredictable psychopath. Steve, despite being a treacherous thief, is a calculated strategist who understands logistics, surveillance, and timing.
• The Dynamic: Steve would view Waingo and Mr. Blonde as muscle. However, because Steve lacks the authoritative gravity of a leader like Neil McCauley (Heat), keeping Waingo and Mr. Blonde in line would be an absolute nightmare.

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Scenario 1: Without Kelso (No Tech Support)
In this scenario, the crew relies entirely on Steve's planning and the raw, unhinged violence of his crew to hit roughly 30 banks.
Success Rate: 0% (Total Failure)

• The Operational Breakdown: The Ex-Presidents succeeded because they were a tight-knit brotherhood who hit the cash drawers in exactly 90 seconds, never went for the vault, and left before the police could react.
• The Fatal Flaw: Waingo and Mr. Blonde are incapable of following a strict 90-second clock. The moment a teller hesitates or a security guard moves, Waingo or Mr. Blonde will open fire. Mr. Blonde would likely take hostages just for the psychological thrill, and Waingo would turn a clean robbery into a bloodbath.
• The Outcome: They might successfully rob one bank through sheer terror. By bank two or three, the heavy police response triggered by their violence would trap them. Steve would inevitably try to double-cross the other two to escape with the cash, leading to a three-way shootout. They would all end up dead or imprisoned within the first week.

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Scenario 2: With Kelso Providing Tech Support
In this scenario, Kelso (Heat) provides the blueprints, alarm codes, police response times, and electronic counters for a percentage of the take.
Success Rate: 10% (Slightly Better, But Doomed)

• The Operational Advantage: Kelso’s tech support fixes the crew's structural weaknesses. He would give them exact blind spots in the security systems and tell them precisely how many minutes they have before local law enforcement arrives. This allows Steve to build a much tighter, foolproof plan.
• The Fatal Flaw: Kelso can hack the tech, but he cannot hack human nature. Kelso openly dislikes working with unpredictable elements (which is why he favored McCauley's crew). Waingo’s sloppy habits and Mr. Blonde's unstable impulses remain unmanageable in the field.
• The Outcome: With Kelso’s data, they might pull off 3 to 4 highly lucrative scores. However, hitting 30 banks requires a level of disciplined routine that this crew lacks. Eventually, Mr. Blonde will trigger a silent alarm Kelso didn't account for, or Waingo will execute a bystander. Furthermore, knowing Steve's history, he would likely try to cut Kelso out of his percentage, causing Kelso to anonymously tip off the FBI. The crew unravels before reaching double-digit bank hits.

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Comparison of the Two Setups

Factor	Without Kelso	With Kelso
Crew Harmony	Non-existent; immediate power struggles.	Fragile; held together only by high payouts.
Max Banks Hit	1 to 2 banks.	3 to 5 banks.
Primary Failure Cause	Immediate civilian casualties and police shootouts.	Internal betrayal and Steve stiffing Kelso on his cut.
Final Fate	Fatal shootout on scene.	Betrayal, FBI ambush, or mutual destruction.

 

[doug777]

Alexander Mundy, Thomas Crown, and Caan's Frank team up to rob the 30 or so banks the ex-president's crew robbed in Point Break. Who's the leader and master planner, and how successful would they be? Run it with and without Kelso from Heat supplying tech support for a percentage.












This premium crew brings together elite sophistication, deep technical safe-cracking skills, and master thief genetics—making them an entirely different beast than the volatile Waingo/Mr. Blonde lineup.
Here is how Alexander Mundy (It Takes a Thief), Thomas Crown (The Thomas Crown Affair), and Frank (Thief, played by James Caan) would tackle the Ex-Presidents' 30-bank run.

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Crew Dynamics: The Leader & Master Planner
Thomas Crown is the master planner, while Frank is the operational field leader.

• The Logic: Thomas Crown doesn't just plan heists; he treats them like high-stakes chess matches, utilizing misdirection and psychological warfare. He would act as the venture capitalist and architect of the overarching 30-bank strategy.
• The Dynamic: Crown handles the macro strategy, but Frank is a meticulous, no-nonsense professional who despises amateur hour. Frank would run the actual logistics on the ground, ensuring every tool, getaway route, and physical entry is flawless. Alexander Mundy is the ultimate chameleon and acrobat—he executes the inside work, charm, and stealth that keeps the crew ahead of the law. This crew respects professionalism, meaning they wouldn't kill each other.

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Scenario 1: Without Kelso (No Tech Support)
Without external tech support, the crew must rely entirely on their own multi-disciplinary skill sets.

Success Rate: 60% (Highly Successful, But Wear and Tear Sets In)

• The Operational Breakdown: The Ex-Presidents' model relies on hitting cash drawers in 90 seconds. With Frank’s tactical discipline, they would hit that mark flawlessly. Mundy’s ability to talk his way into secure areas or pick any lock silently beforehand means they would have internal layouts and schedules well before striking.
• The Complication: Robbing 30 banks in a row requires a massive amount of intelligence gathering. Without an outside hacker like Kelso, the administrative burden falls completely on Crown and Mundy. Eventually, mapping out police frequencies, response times, and digital security grids for 30 different locations manually becomes an exhausting bottleneck.
• The Outcome: They easily pull off 15 to 18 banks cleanly. However, around bank 20, the sheer volume of manual reconnaissance catches up to them. The FBI (and local law enforcement) would notice a pattern of highly sophisticated entries, and without top-tier cyber counters, a digital dragnet or undercover sting would eventually pinch them around the two-thirds mark. They wouldn't die in a shootout—Frank and Mundy are too smart—but they'd be forced to abandon the run and flee the country.

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Scenario 2: With Kelso Providing Tech Support
In this scenario, Kelso (Heat) feeds Crown’s master plan exact alarm schematics, police dispatch routing, and structural blueprints for all 30 banks in exchange for a clean percentage.

Success Rate: 100% (Flawless Execution)

• The Operational Advantage: This is a match made in heaven. Kelso explicitly prefers working with absolute professionals. He would love Frank’s discipline and Crown’s intellectual approach. Kelso eliminates the crew's only bottleneck by feeding them a streamlined, industrial assembly line of data.
• The Execution: Crown uses Kelso’s data to orchestrate brilliant diversions across town every time a hit occurs. Frank executes the physical breach with surgical precision, and Mundy neutralizes internal security systems on the fly. Because they are not greedy or bloodthirsty, they don't stay a second past the deadline Kelso gives them.
• The Outcome: Unlike Steve from The Italian Job, Thomas Crown and Frank operate on a strict honor code regarding payouts. Kelso gets his exact percentage on time, keeping him motivated to supply flawless data through the very last heist. The crew successfully clears all 30 banks, netting millions without firing a single shot or leaving a trace of evidence behind.

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Comparison of the Two Setups

Factor	Without Kelso	With Kelso
Crew Harmony	Excellent; a mutually respectful group of professionals.	Perfect; Kelso feels safe working with top-tier talent.
Max Banks Hit	15 to 18 banks before the heat gets too hot.	All 30 banks successfully cleared.
Primary Risk	Physical and administrative burnout from manual recon.	None; Kelso's data ensures they stay miles ahead of the FBI.
Final Fate	Splitting the cash early and retiring to international waters.	Legendary, untouched status with hundreds of millions in clean escape.

Does this crew stick to just the cash drawers, or do they go after the vaults?











This crew absolutely goes after the vaults—but only under Thomas Crown’s highly strategic conditions.
While the original Ex-Presidents stuck strictly to the cash drawers to beat the 90-second police response time, this crew has a radically different skill set that makes the cash drawers a waste of their talent.

Why They Choose the Vaults

• The Return on Investment: Frank is a legendary, industrial-grade safecracker (Thief). He doesn't do "smash-and-grabs" for loose teller cash; he burns through high-security vault doors using burning bars and heavy tools.
• The Access: Alexander Mundy (It Takes a Thief) can seamlessly infiltrate banks ahead of time as an inspector, wealthy client, or tech technician. He will steal the vault combination dials, clone master keys, or bypass internal security loops before the heist even begins.
• The Strategy: Thomas Crown treats heists like art. He would see robbing 30 bank drawers as repetitive and messy. Instead, he would use his wealth and resources to buy out adjacent buildings, dig underground tunnels, or orchestrate massive city-wide digital distractions via Kelso to buy Frank and Mundy all the time they need to empty the main vaults.

The Tactical Pivot (How It Changes the 30-Bank Goal)
Because they hit the vaults, they wouldn't need to rob 30 separate banks.
Hitting 30 vaults takes too much physical time and creates a massive investigative footprint. Instead, Crown would look at the logistics and realize that the total cash across the Ex-Presidents' 30 cash drawers equals roughly $12 million to $15 million.
Frank and Mundy can clear that exact same amount by hitting just 2 or 3 major regional Federal Reserve or high-security commercial vaults. They would consolidate the entire 30-bank operation into a few legendary, surgical midnight scores, leaving the banks completely untouched during business hours and baffling the FBI.