ESPN RANKS TOP 10 POINT GUARDS OF ALL TIME (Bullshit list!)

[rtqlat]

Without Pistol Pete this list is bullshit... He is the very definition of a point/passing guard. And he did it with style and flair. Fuck this list. Chris fucking Paul. Give me Kevin Johnson.

 

[Amajorfucup]

dude i didn't even read all the shit u juss typed yet but it's obvious u don't kno what ur talking about..when did penny enter the nba??? who was getting the nba 1st team over him??? was kj gonna get 1st nba team over the few yrs over magic? stockton led the nba in assist for like 11 yrs so how was kj gonna get mad burn over him..gp was all defensive team so how was kj gonna get burn over him?? zeke also played a few yrs during kj years once again how is he gonna make first team 2nd team with all these players with bigger names, better stats and in certain cases championship teams or at least nba finals representatives...there's never been a yr when kj played where an alltime leader in assist wasn't playing...magic, stocton, mark jackson, zeke, jason kidd all played during kj reign so he never was gonna be first team anything..and stockton, gary payton was always top of steals so he wasn't gonna get a defense anything over those guys..mite i add people like tim hardaway was playing, mark jackson, as well as other point guards..kj got more double digit assist yrs than cp 3..he also had a better single season in assist..and had better numbers yet he still was never a candidate for mvp..that's how oversaturated the game was in pg back than..how he's gonna get top dog in a class of hall of famers circled around him... cp can't even win the assist award every yr in a league with zero all time assist leaders.. rondo has beat him out a few times and that guy ain't even close to breaking top 5 alltime..u said kj wasn't a good defender yet he average 1.5-1.7 steals many yrs juss fractions less than cp3..cp mite get 2 steals a game or 2.3 wow that's so much more than the"not a good defender as u call him kj"


u keep trying to ignore all the greats that played with kj that would obviously overshadow him to getting his props... would chris paul start during that era in the all star game with his stats?? would he even have 1 assist title with his stats in that era?? would he even be considered an mvp in that era??? answer that question.. i bet u kj would've got an assist tiltle, a starter position in the all star game, a first team vote, and mvp consideration in this era especially his 22 point 12 assist yr

Man wtf are you talking about!? You're including anyone who played during his fucking career in the discussion at this point. Magic came in in 1979 nigga!! Kidd came in in 1994!! Penny had played in the east, had 2 phenomenol seasons and flamed out, Zeke played in the east and was dam near washed by time KJ was 25/26. You're all over the place like dog shit. None of this shit addresses KJs prime, in conference play HOF peers, lack of 1st team nods, absence on ANY all defense team, lack of shooting range, or his bad defense... What you're doing is tantamount to making an excuse as to why he isnt on Pauls level as opposed to presenting a sound argument as to why he is better.

And again, that Mark Price garbage pretty much renders anything you say going forward as bullshit my man. Sorry.

And STOP bringing up Mark Jackson. He has no place in this discussion. He was never considered a top 5 PG, made one all star and never sniffed even 3rd team all nba anything team... and he played in the east. You NY niggas stay overrating that stat compiling nigga. The guy almost killed basketball to the point where the league had to implement a rule to outlaw that ugly ass style of ball he played. Fat ass nigga started posting up and backing down cats at half court. Foh.

Lok bro, you're alone in thinking KJ is a superior player. Alone for a reason.

And wtf are steals?? Look man, you dont know what you're talking about. You're stat checking steals to pose an argument that KJ was as good a defender as Paul!??? Man stop.

 

[tallblacknyc]

Man wtf are you talking about!? You're including anyone who played during his fucking career in the discussion at this point. Magic came in in 1979 nigga!! Kidd came in in 1994!! Penny had played in the east, had 2 phenomenol seasons and flamed out, Zeke played in the east and was dam near washed by time KJ was 25/26. You're all over the place like dog shit. None of this shit addresses KJs prime, in conference play HOF peers, lack of 1st team nods, absence on ANY all defense team, lack of shooting range, or his bad defense... What you're doing is tantamount to making an excuse as to why he isnt on Pauls level as opposed to presenting a sound argument as to why he is better.

And again, that Mark Price garbage pretty much renders anything you say going forward as bullshit my man. Sorry.

And STOP bringing up Mark Jackson. He has no place in this discussion. He was never considered a top 5 PG, made one all star and never sniffed even 3rd team all nba anything team... and he played in the east. You NY niggas stay overrating that stat compiling nigga. The guy almost killed basketball to the point where the league had to implement a rule to outlaw that ugly ass style of ball he played. Fat ass nigga started posting up and backing down cats at half court. Foh.

Lok bro, you're alone in thinking KJ is a superior player. Alone for a reason.

And wtf are steals?? Look man, you dont know what you're talking about. You're stat checking steals to pose an argument that KJ was as good a defender as Paul!??? Man stop.

dude u kno there's only 1 first team rite..so how the fuck is he gonna make first team with all the superstars i juss mention..ur obviously the guy that can't comprehend this..if i took chris paul stats and lined them up the same yrs kj played he would never make first team also he would never start also he would never get an assist title also..has that got in ur head yet... u seem to not comprehend how big penny was at that time nobody was getting first team over him nobody was getting first team over magic..u seem to not get that it was impossible to get first team with guys like that..u seem to also not get how hard it is to get mvp talk when u got mj, hakeem, barkley, shaq, mailman during ur era..kj was never gonna get burn with those names..do u think chris paul would've been in mvp talks during the jordan era, hakeem era, magic era,shaq era.. u said chris paul level kj average more points than chris during their first 11 seasons and chris juss average like .3 more assist..so how is chris paul so much better than kj when he scored less points and average only 0.3 more assist??? if u take away kj limited of burn his first 2 seasons his average even jumps more which really puts him over paul..by the way kj smelled finals b4 his 10th yr has paul??

 

[Amajorfucup]

Without Pistol Pete this list is bullshit... He is the very definition of a point/passing guard..

Pete is more of a shooting guard.

 

[tallblacknyc]

Man wtf are you talking about!? You're including anyone who played during his fucking career in the discussion at this point. Magic came in in 1979 nigga!! Kidd came in in 1994!! Penny had played in the east, had 2 phenomenol seasons and flamed out, Zeke played in the east and was dam near washed by time KJ was 25/26. You're all over the place like dog shit. None of this shit addresses KJs prime, in conference play HOF peers, lack of 1st team nods, absence on ANY all defense team, lack of shooting range, or his bad defense... What you're doing is tantamount to making an excuse as to why he isnt on Pauls level as opposed to presenting a sound argument as to why he is better.

And again, that Mark Price garbage pretty much renders anything you say going forward as bullshit my man. Sorry.

And STOP bringing up Mark Jackson. He has no place in this discussion. He was never considered a top 5 PG, made one all star and never sniffed even 3rd team all nba anything team... and he played in the east. You NY niggas stay overrating that stat compiling nigga. The guy almost killed basketball to the point where the league had to implement a rule to outlaw that ugly ass style of ball he played. Fat ass nigga started posting up and backing down cats at half court. Foh.

Lok bro, you're alone in thinking KJ is a superior player. Alone for a reason.

And wtf are steals?? Look man, you dont know what you're talking about. You're stat checking steals to pose an argument that KJ was as good a defender as Paul!??? Man stop.

lol so far i've heard at least 3 or 4 people in this thread say they'd take kj over paul..guess what if nobody ever asked the question u'd never recieve an answer..but if u put this up to debate u'd be surprise how many people prob pick kj especially after they see his stats and his gameplay..remember nba watching was limited back in the days compared to now..how many people were watching the suns when there pretty much was hard to see any game out ur region

 

[Amajorfucup]

dude u kno there's only 1 first team rite..so how the fuck is he gonna make first team with all the superstars i juss mention..ur obviously the guy that can't comprehend this..if i took chris paul stats and lined them up the same yrs kj played he would never make first team also he would never start also he would never get an assist title also..has that got in ur head yet... u seem to not comprehend how big penny was at that time nobody was getting first team over him nobody was getting first team over magic..u seem to not get that it was impossible to get first team with guys like that..u seem to also not get how hard it is to get mvp talk when u got mj, hakeem, barkley, shaq, mailman during ur era..kj was never gonna get burn with those names..do u think chris paul would've been in mvp talks during the jordan era, hakeem era, magic era,shaq era.. u said chris paul level kj average more points than chris during their first 11 seasons and chris juss average like .3 more assist..so how is chris paul so much better than kj when he scored less points and average only 0.3 more assist??? if u take away kj limited of burn his first 2 seasons his average even jumps more which really puts him over paul..by the way kj smelled finals b4 his 10th yr has paul??

You're still making excuses bro. Paul played in a league with just as many HOF'ers man. Lets debunk yet ANOTHER weak argument of yours shall we... take a quick snapshot of each players prime and see how many top 10-12 all time players they played with:

KJ: Dream, MJ, Bird
Paul: Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Bron.. (and counting)

And again, Penny had a two year awesome run and he was in the east, again i question if you really know what you're talking about. Stop making excuses man.. Its exhausting to continually dissect and debunk your posts while you rehash and regurgitate the same nonsense over and over while ignoring the points that i make which really destroy your argument. I'll agree to just disagree. Its a waste of time at this point.

 

[tallblacknyc]

You're still making excuses bro. Paul played in a league with just as many HOF'ers man. Lets debunk yet ANOTHER weak argument of yours shall we... take a quick snapshot of each players prime and see how many top 10-12 all time players they played with:

KJ: Dream, MJ, Bird
Paul: Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Bron.. (and counting)

And again, Penny had a two year awesome run and he was in the east, again i question if you really know what you're talking about. Stop making excuses man.. Its exhausting to continually dissect and debunk your posts while you rehash and regurgitate the same nonsense over and over while ignoring the points that i make which really destroy your argument. I'll agree to just disagree. Its a waste of time at this point.

u juss named a bunch of dudes that have nothing to do with him making first team..name the top 10 pgs he had to go head to head for the crown..better yet what was the top assist each yr that chris was in the league...name the 5 top defensive pgs stats since he was playing... how bout overall stats compare them to all his comp... do u want me to name all the stats that each pg kj had to go toe to toe with since he entered the league??... u keep asking why he wasn't first team, why he wasn't defensive first team, why he wasn't the all star starter, why no assist titles... imma bout to show u all the stats kj had to face amongst his peers can u do the same for chris

 

[tallblacknyc]

kj career 87-88 to 99-00...assist leaders each yr and stats..87-88 13.76 stocton..88-89 stocton 13.63 89-90 stocton14.54 90-91 stocton 14.2 91-92 stocton 13.73 92-93 stockton 12.04 93-94 stockton 12.57 94-95 stocton 12.3 95-96 stockton 11.03 96-97 mark jackson 11.7 97-98 rod strickland 10.54 98-99 10.78 99-00 jason kidd 10.12

now if u put chris paul stats up there would he have any assist titles?? would he be considered the best pg in the league if he went toe to toe with the stats he got vs those stats i posted

 

[Amajorfucup]

u juss named a bunch of dudes that have nothing to do with him making first team..name the top 10 pgs he had to go head to head for the crown..better yet what was the top assist each yr that chris was in the league...name the 5 top defensive pgs stats since he was playing... how bout overall stats compare them to all his comp... do u want me to name all the stats that each pg kj had to go toe to toe with since he entered the league??... u keep asking why he wasn't first team, why he wasn't defensive first team, why he wasn't the all star starter, why no assist titles... imma bout to show u all the stats kj had to face amongst his peers can u do the same for chris

My man, im not naming anyone. Im responding to people and arguments that YOU pose. Are you drunk or just sleepy?

The guy never even made a 3rd team all defense team... i have no fucking reason to rattle off defensive PG stats. Its a waste of time. Arguing that he was a great defensive guard or even in the same defensive discussion as Paul is useless. It isnt up for debate.

And no, im not going for a stat pull. That doesnt mean anything man. Didnt i just address that when you stat pulled steal statistics and attempted to use that as proof that KJ was as good a defender as CP3?? Every argument you have made i have refuted and rebutted. Now you want to stat pull. No thanks fam.

Look man, i respect your opinion, i just TOTALLY disagree. And you have also said some outright ridiculous shit tonite that makes me think you may not be as up on this stuff as you may think you are (mark jackson, mark price, derek harper mentions/comparisons were all outright horrible).

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

i can accept paul

nash no way

 

[Amajorfucup]

kj career 87-88 to 99-00...assist leaders each yr and stats..87-88 13.76 stocton..88-89 stocton 13.63 89-90 stocton14.54 90-91 stocton 14.2 91-92 stocton 13.73 92-93 stockton 12.04 93-94 stockton 12.57 94-95 stocton 12.3 95-96 stockton 11.03 96-97 mark jackson 11.7 97-98 rod strickland 10.54 98-99 10.78 99-00 jason kidd 10.12

now if u put chris paul stats up there would he have any assist titles?? would he be considered the best pg in the league if he went toe to toe with the stats he got vs those stats i posted

Hey man, im not sure what this means, and i dont recall saying anything about assist titles. But either way im not sure what this is supposed to prove.

I will say that Paul is top 3 all time in assists per game. That has to count for something right?

 

[tallblacknyc]

Hey man, im not sure what this means, and i dont recall saying anything about assist titles. But either way im not sure what this is supposed to prove.

I will say that Paul is top 3 all time in assists per game. That has to count for something right?

u asked why kj wasn't consider the best i juss showed u all the assist leaders during his career..how can u be consider the best when this is the stats he had to face..chris paul wouldn't be consider the best facing these stats..u asked why he wasn't ever a starter in the all star game or a first teamer well these are the stats he had to go against.. chris paul wouldn't be a first teamer or all star starter if he had to face these stats

 

[Amajorfucup]

u asked why kj wasn't consider the best i juss showed u all the assist leaders during his career..how can u be consider the best when this is the stats he had to face..chris paul wouldn't be consider the best facing these stats..u asked why he wasn't ever a starter in the all star game or a first teamer well these are the stats he had to go against.. chris paul wouldn't be a first teamer or all star starter if he had to face these stats

Im not sure what you mean by "facing stats" bro. Players play ball. They dont play against stats. Again you are merely making excuses as to why he ISNT top ten opposed to why he is. And i have already explained to you that during his prime, the only hall of famer guys he competed against regularly in their prime were Payton and Stockton. Even if we take your "stat facing" argument into consideration, it doesnt explain away his lack of defensive all nba votes on ANY team..even 3rd. The guy isnt top ten all time man. As for "stat facing"... did KJ ever face guys as athletic as Westbrook or prolific as Curry 4 times a year? I dont think so. And to be clear, i dont subscribe to the stat face argument, im just offering guys who destroy it.

And again let me say, KJ was a beast, just not top ten all time.

Look, fuck what you or I say.... Why do you think KJ isnt in the hall yet? If hes top ten all time, and better than a HOF lock in CP3.. why isnt he there yet? Hes 23 years removed form his last all star game. Why isnt he there? (and note that i have said i think he should probably be there)

 

[tallblacknyc]

My man, im not naming anyone. Im responding to people and arguments that YOU pose. Are you drunk or just sleepy?

The guy never even made a 3rd team all defense team... i have no fucking reason to rattle off defensive PG stats. Its a waste of time. Arguing that he was a great defensive guard or even in the same defensive discussion as Paul is useless. It isnt up for debate.

And no, im not going for a stat pull. That doesnt mean anything man. Didnt i just address that when you stat pulled steal statistics and attempted to use that as proof that KJ was as good a defender as CP3?? Every argument you have made i have refuted and rebutted. Now you want to stat pull. No thanks fam.

Look man, i respect your opinion, i just TOTALLY disagree. And you have also said some outright ridiculous shit tonite that makes me think you may not be as up on this stuff as you may think you are (mark jackson, mark price, derek harper mentions/comparisons were all outright horrible).

ur getting sleepy cause somebody else said derek harper.. i said mark jackson was many pgs during kevin johnson reign..mark has the single season record for rookie assist something the great cp dosen't have and mark led the league in assist 1 yr with 11.7 assist a stat that even the great cp never touched..remember u said mark was overrated yet he did two things chris paul never did..chris paul never had 12 assist per game in a season something kj did..u see all these things the great cp never touched with the lesser pgs of the league..now compare him to the better pgs at that time..gp steal game and defense cp couldn't match..couldn't match stockton assist per game

 

[Amajorfucup]

ur getting sleepy cause somebody else said derek harper.. i said mark jackson was many pgs during kevin johnson reign..mark has the single season record for rookie assist something the great cp dosen't have and mark led the league in assist 1 yr with 11.7 assist a stat that even the great cp never touched..remember u said mark was overrated yet he did two things chris paul never did..chris paul never had 12 assist per game in a season something kj did..u see all these things the great cp never touched with the lesser pgs of the league..now compare him to the better pgs at that time..gp steal game and defense cp couldn't match..couldn't match stockton assist per game

My bad on the Dharper.. Yes, i am getting tired. Your remixes are making me sleepy.
And awesome that Mark Jackson did something CP3 never did. Do you wanna see the shit CP3 did that Mark didnt?

Are you saying Mark Jackson is a better player? Otherwise im not sure why you even continue to mention him. Its beyond silly to cherry pick shit like that and present it in this discussion.

And im not discussing Paytons defense or Stocktons assists against Paul. That isnt at issue. Just as we arent discussing Currys shooting, or Westbrooks scoring against KJ. Stay focused.

 

[tallblacknyc]

Im not sure what you mean by "facing stats" bro. Players play ball. They dont play against stats. Again you are merely making excuses as to why he ISNT top ten opposed to why he is. And i have already explained to you that during his prime, the only hall of famer guys he competed against regularly in their prime were Payton and Stockton. Even if we take your "stat facing" argument into consideration, it doesnt explain away his lack of defensive all nba votes on ANY team..even 3rd. The guy isnt top ten all time man. As for "stat facing"... did KJ ever face guys as athletic as Westbrook or prolific as Curry 4 times a year? I dont think so. And to be clear, i dont subscribe to the stat face argument, im just offering guys who destroy it.

And again let me say, KJ was a beast, just not top ten all time.

Look, fuck what you or I say.... Why do you think KJ isnt in the hall yet? If hes top ten all time, and better than a HOF lock in CP3.. why isnt he there yet? Hes 23 years removed form his last all star game. Why isnt he there? (and note that i have said i think he should probably be there)

he isn't there cause as i said many other pgs overshadow him in his career..he has to wait until all the other guys who has better stats than him get in first..if he was playing in this era with his stats he would be consider first ballot.. by the way stats matter when u get stealing titles and assist titles..nobody will say ur the best pg in the game when another player won 9 titles in a row..nobody gonna name u the first nba defensive team player when another player won multiple steal titles in a row..u see kj isn't called the top dog cause other dudes was winning those titles u get it..also other guys were averaging more points..so when ur not number 1 in any of the top 3 titles at ur position nobody gonna say ur the best.. cp never had that problem cause his comp isn't at the same level as kj stat wise... would people call cp 3 the best pg if he never had an assist title, a steal title, or the most points at his position

 

[Maxxam]

At least they got #1 right.

Steve Nash with the gifted MVPs

Curry? Prisoner of the moment shit. And at number 4??? Ahead of Zeke? gtfoh

Chris Paul can't get his team relatively loaded team to the Finals and he's ahead of JKidd who took a bum squad back to back years?

I guess Jason Williams was 11.

ESPN has jokes.

 

[tallblacknyc]

My bad on the Dharper.. Yes, i am getting tired. Your remixes are making me sleepy.
And awesome that Mark Jackson did something CP3 never did. Do you wanna see the shit CP3 did that Mark didnt?

Are you saying Mark Jackson is a better player? Otherwise im not sure why you even continue to mention him. Its beyond silly to cherry pick shit like that and present it in this discussion.

And im not discussing Paytons defense or Stocktons assists against Paul. That isnt at issue. Just as we arent discussing Currys shooting, or Westbrooks scoring against KJ. Stay focused.

nah i kept mentioning all the greats during his time like magic, zeke, stockton, ..i mention all the players who were superstars at his time like penny, gp, jason kidd..but u wanna turn a blind eye on why kj never got awards with these type of dudes and others during his era..u wanna kno why he never got first team on offense and defense and when i post up stats u don't understand it or u claim stats don't matter.. i guess dudes can score 15 points per game and win scoring titles vs dudes who average 30 since stats don't matter

 

[Amajorfucup]

he isn't there cause as i said many other pgs overshadow him in his career..he has to wait until all the other guys who has better stats than him get in first..

Right. And maybe they over shadow him because they are better than him. Thanks for proving my point.

 

[tallblacknyc]

Right. And maybe they over shadow him because they are better than him. Thanks for proving my point.

i never said they wasn't i said he was better than cp..u still haven't proved that point..in fact u asked why didn't kj get mad respect and i said he was in a league vs greats and cp wasn't..u still can't mention a bunch of pgs that cp faced that was better than the 1's kj faced

 

[Amajorfucup]

nah i kept mentioning all the greats during his time like magic, zeke, stockton, ..i mention all the players who were superstars at his time like penny, gp, jason kidd..but u wanna turn a blind eye on why kj never got awards with these type of dudes and others during his era..u wanna kno why he never got first team on offense and defense and when i post up stats u don't understand it or u claim stats don't matter.. i guess dudes can score 15 points per game and win scoring titles vs dudes who average 30 since stats don't matter

Yea, and i keep telling your obtuse ass his primes only overlapped with GP and Stockton. Penny only had 2 great seasons, Magic was drafted in he fucking 70s and Zeke was dam near washed during KJs prime. You insist on ignoring these facts and go to excuse making.

The guy isnt top ten. And you naming guys who were simply better players does nothing to change that fact.

 

[Amajorfucup]

i never said they wasn't i said he was better than cp..u still haven't proved that point..in fact u asked why didn't kj get mad respect and i said he was in a league vs greats and cp wasn't..u still can't mention a bunch of pgs that cp faced that was better than the 1's kj faced

Mad respect? I said no such thing. I asked why the guy wasnt in the Hall despite being 24 years removed from his last all star. You attributed that to him not being better than guys ahead of him. I told you that proved my point. He aint better. Period.

And i already addressed the players they played against several times. Feel free to go back and read. Unlike you, im not big on retyping the same shit over and over. Read muthafucka! Read!!

 

[tallblacknyc]

Yea, and i keep telling your obtuse ass his primes only overlapped with GP and Stockton. Penny only had 2 great seasons, Magic was drafted in he fucking 70s and Zeke was dam near washed during KJs prime. You insist on ignoring these facts and go to excuse making.

The guy isnt top ten. And you naming guys who were simply better players does nothing to change that fact.

ur rite im obtuse..magic johnson won 2 mvp's during kj career..so u wanna kno why kj wasn't getting burn??? oh yeah when somebody wins mvp twice during ur career how are u gonna get mad shine or first team votes..lol i'm still crushing u in ur own arguments..u do kno zeke won 2 titles during kj career also lol..u wanna kno why kj wasn't making first team

also stockton won 9 assist tiltles during that time.. so nba mvp, nba finals, and assist leaders and u wanna kno why kj wasn't a first teamer

 

[Amajorfucup]

ur rite im obtuse..magic johnson won 2 mvp's during kj career..so u wanna kno why kj wasn't getting burn??? oh yeah when somebody wins mvp twice during ur career how are u gonna get mad shine or first team votes..lol i'm still crushing u in ur own arguments..u do kno zeke won 2 titles during kj career also lol..u wanna kno why kj wasn't making first team

also stockton won 9 assist tiltles during that time.. so nba mvp, nba finals, and assist leaders and u wanna kno why kj wasn't a first teamer

"their primes"

RIF.

You sir, are a retard.

Oh, and 2 mvp awards went to the position during KJs career. 4 and counting during Pauls... So um yea, you gonna lose yet again on your latest arguing point of "during career" . Sorry. Keep trying tho.

Sooner or later you just gonna have to admit that maybe kj just isn't too ten caliber.

 

[tallblacknyc]

"their primes"

RIF.

You sir, are a retard.

ur retarded cause during his prime is when those dudes won the mvp/ finals...his prime is when stockton had like 9 straight assist titles..so once again whose the retard..when he had his best assist yr magic won the mvp..when he had his 20 points 10 assist yr..detroit won the nba finals got that retard..his prime yrs stockton was averaging btw 13-14 assist per game got that retard..also jordan won 3 straight nba finals during kj's prime yrs got that tard..gary payton won defensive player of the yr during his prime yrs got that retard...detroit, bulls, houston won chips during his prime yrs got that tard..penny got first team during his prime..all these players were doin great during his prime

 

[Amajorfucup]

ur retarded cause during his prime is when those dudes won the mvp/ finals...his prime is when stockton had like 9 straight assist titles..so once again whose the retard..when he had his best assist yr magic won the mvp..when he had his 20 points 10 assist yr..detroit won the nba finals got that retard..his prime yrs stockton was averaging btw 13-14 assist per game got that retard..also jordan won 3 straight nba finals during kj's prime yrs got that tard..gary payton won defensive player of the yr during his prime yrs got that retard...detroit, bulls, houston won chips during his prime yrs got that tard

No idea why you keep bringing up Stockton (other than you simply don't have another leg to stand on) but whatever.

IIRC, Magic won mvp during KJs rookie and second season..maybe 3rd. Since when is that a players prime?

Magic and Zeke were done by time KJ entered his mid 20s. Sorry my man, you can't use them to excuse KJs shortcomings. (neither would have kept him off those all defense teams either. So you fail there regardless).

I already gave you your two. GP and the white boy you keep mentioning. Go use your fuzzy math on those guys. Youre gonnna get ripped to shreds using anyone else.

 

[tallblacknyc]

No idea why you keep bringing up Stockton (other than you simply don't have another leg to stand on) but whatever.

IIRC, Magic won mvp during KJs rookie and second season..maybe 3rd. Since when is that a players prime?

Magic and Zeke were done by time KJ entered his mid 20s. Sorry my man, you can't use them to excuse KJs shortcomings. (neither would have kept him off those all defense teams either. So you fail there regardless).

I already gave you your two. GP and the white boy you keep mentioning. Go use your fuzzy math on those guys. Youre gonnna get ripped to shreds using anyone else.

u do kno prime is basically when ur at ur best?? kj was already doin his thing by his 2nd yr in which detroit won a chip and magic won the mvp bam the truth smacked in ur face once again..ur saying shortcomings..chris paul dosen't get best pg talk if he has no assist titles or steal titles u get it..kj dosen't get the best pg talk cause every yr somebody had great assist per game and better steals per game u get it..the talent pool was so great dat even his really good stats got overshadow u get it..cp had no comp for his stats while kj did..the reason why chris gets talked about more than kj u get it..like i said if u take kj stats from the late 80's to 90's and compare them to todays game he would get talked about as much or even more than cp3...kj best 2 yrs(which was his 2nd and 3rd season) zeke won back to back titles and magic won back to back mvp's u get it

 

[Amajorfucup]

u do kno prime is basically when ur at ur best?? kj was already doin his thing by his 2nd yr in which detroit won a chip and magic won the mvp bam the truth smacked in ur face once again..

Umm No. Thats not how it works. You're confusing best statistical season in a given area with a players prime. A players prime is a string of years in which a player strings together high efficiency and across the board productivity. It happens with experience and generally begins mid 20's and extends thru early 30s (give or take two years on either end depending on when a player enters league or becomes a starter.). Lets use your boy Mark Jackson for illustrative pruposes... Jack had his best scoring season his 2nd year.. Best steal season his rookie campaign, 2nd most assists of his career came his rookie season also. So statistically, he had his best scoring, assists, steal seasons as a rookie and soph... This doesnt make those two seasons his prime. It was just career best in those categories. Big difference. He was a MUCH better and more efficient and productive player as he aged. Get it?

Now, with KJ, the issue is he had great seasons in years 2-4 and started to taper off a bit as he entered his prime. That indicates that it was his play that kept him from getting accolades and not his peers. The other side of the argument is if you want to apply those 3 seasons as his prime years then we must discuss why he had such a short run of a prime and why was he "only" averaging around 17 and 8 from ages 26-29 while playing about 50 games a year.

So either way, it doesnt really bode well for a guy you want us to believe was all world but only held back due to him "stat facing". He was a great player but just not top ten.

ur saying shortcomings..chris paul dosen't get best pg talk if he has no assist titles or steal titles u get it..kj dosen't get the best pg talk cause every yr somebody had great assist per game and better steals per game u get it.

Yea no shit. Thats what makes Paul BETTER! He played better and had better stats. Clown. Thanks for making my point yet again.

 

[Day_Carver]

So tell me what is the criteria for ranking the all time greats??

 

[tallblacknyc]

Umm No. Thats not how it works. You're confusing best statistical season in a given area with a players prime. A players prime is a string of years in which a player strings together high efficiency and across the board productivity. It happens with experience and generally begins mid 20's and extends thru early 30s (give or take two years on either end depending on when a player enters league or becomes a starter.). Lets use your boy Mark Jackson for illustrative pruposes... Jack had his best scoring season his 2nd year.. Best steal season his rookie campaign, 2nd most assists of his career came his rookie season also. So statistically, he had his best scoring, assists, steal seasons as a rookie and soph... This doesnt make those two seasons his prime. It was just career best in those categories. Big difference. He was a MUCH better and more efficient and productive player as he aged. Get it?

Now, with KJ, the issue is he had great seasons in years 2-4 and started to taper off a bit as he entered his prime. That indicates that it was his play that kept him from getting accolades and not his peers. The other side of the argument is if you want to apply those 3 seasons as his prime years then we must discuss why he had such a short run of a prime and why was he "only" averaging around 17 and 8 from ages 26-29 while playing about 50 games a year.

So either way, it doesnt really bode well for a guy you want us to believe was all world but only held back due to him "stat facing". He was a great player but just not top ten.


Yea no shit. Thats what makes Paul BETTER! He played better and had better stats. Clown. Thanks for making my point yet again.

kj 2nd season pt 20.4 assist 12.2 chris 2nd season pt 17.3 assist 8.9
3rd season pt 22.5 assist 11.4 3rd pt 21.1 ass 11.7
4th 22.2 10.1 4th pt 22.8 ass 11.4
19.7 10.7 5th pt 18.7 ass 10.7


in kj 2nd season to his 4th he had 3 yrs that was better than chris pauls numbers...in kj 2nd and 3rd season magic won the mvp, zeke won back to back chips and stockton had 13.6 assist and 14.5 assist back to back yrs...with 3 point guards overshadowing kj how was he gonna get first team votes vs an nba mvp, an nba finals mvp and a assist league leading title...now if kj had better stats in his 2nd and 3rd yr than chris when he was the 4th best pg in the game at least where do u think chris would be ranked during that time..do u think cp3 would be consider the top pg if he was at best the 5th top pg during those yrs..i'm killing u homie with truth with stats with everything

by the way by 11 seasons in kj average more points and chris paul has a very small edge in assist...why does ur boy cp 3 average less points and like 0.2 more assist per game than kj when as u say he so much better... cp3 didn't have to face hand checking or great dynasty like kj... u see even with all that kj was able to put up them stats which def gives the edge to him over cp3..like i said i'll take kj over cp3

 

[KingTaharqa]

So tell me what is the criteria for ranking the all time greats??

Rings of course. Magic should be #1, Tony Parker should be #2.

 

[Day_Carver]

Rings of course. Magic should be #1, Tony Parker should be #2.

...well if thats the case John Havlicek would be #1

 

[Day_Carver]

Rings of course. Magic should be #1, Tony Parker should be #2.

And CP bitch ass wouldnt even be in the top 20

 

[bigman23]

where is tony parker

 

[a1rimrocka]

Chris Paul is 3rd all time in assist per game, behind Magic & Stockton.

And his Clips beat Spurs in playoffs in 2015 and they beat Curry & Warriors in 2014.

#FACTS

More facts..

2nd all time in steals per game (#1 on this list)

Considering how often he has the ball in his hands, he's also top 3 in TOs per game of everyone on this list