This is actually a VERY good point.
Some of those names were so egregious bro. I just pulled out the biggest offender of the lot... The other Hardaway, Baron Davis, KJ, Big O or Oscar (cant sneak him in there twice...nice try tho), Westbrook (too early and couldnt make the playoffs without KD).. Thats 6 guys right there that have no business rated above Paul.
Listen man, that entire honorable mention section is fucking trash. Utter shit, and has no business in the discussion. You cats just pulling names out your ass now.
; and although curry hasnt done it too long, hes change the game period; to me thats good enough; nash didnt change the game; kj didnt change the game; very few players can say that they have actually changed or helped to changed the game; curry is on the list period; and after he gets a few more rings, he will be next to magic and oscar; and if GS goes on the run I think they will, he will be equal to both of them...
i'd take kevin johnson in his prime over chris paul
Cool. Be aware he gonna miss about 20 games a year , be a mediocre jump shooter, a terrible 3 point shooter, and a net loss defensively compared to Paul. Hellofva player otherwise tho.
dude had a decent jumpshot..in fact that was 1 of his dangerous things hitting u with the dribble than pulling up and hitting that midrange, plus he had that aggressive go to the hole and dunking on ur ass..that nig is a very slept on pg...he put up 20 and 10 a few times in his career and mad double doubles..he juss had to face the sonics and rockets in the west so his playoffs outside of barkley that 1 year ended early
KJ was a beast. Just not top ten all time, and not better than Paul. I was a fan of the guy. But everything i said was accurate.. Guy had a mediocre jumpshot beyond 15 and he missed a ton of games.
Muthafucka the discussion is top ten!
kj is better than chris paul..20+ and 10+ for 3 yrs..double double for 4 yrs...9 assist+ per game for 7 yrs..kj had better yrs than steve nash mvp season yet not 1 time was he consider an mvp candidate(reasons why i always say steve nash mvp's were bullshit)..old school pg were suppose to penetrate to the hole and either pass or draw a foul, kj did both plus hit u with the midrange shot..kj is what pg's back in the day were suppose to be..kj over paul
Muthafucka the discussion is top ten!
So how can you add them as honorable mention for that very category and then say ..."maybe not great or top 10 but really good". You make my every point.
And i didnt call them trash. I sad the list was trash for giving them top ten consideration. They have no place in the discussion. Period.
And Ron Harper shouldnt even be mentioned in this fucking thread bro. And you have the audacity to question whether others actually watch basketball?!
Cool. Thats your opinion, and you're entitled to it, but you're wrong. And theres a reason you wont find ANY serious publication or credible expert EVER say that KJ was a better PG than Paul. KJ never made an all nba 1st team, and never even made 3rd team defense.. Playing both sides of the ball matters my man. And KJ isnt n the same conversation as Paul in that aspect. And he only made all star 2or3 times in a conference that only had Stockton and Payton as hall of fame caliber players at the position. Paul is a all star stable in a conference loaded with hall of fame talent at the position.
Typed Ron but i was fully aware who you said. My mistake. D Harper has no fucking place in this discussion. NONE! Your honorable mention list was trash. And throwing Harper in there solidified that shit sandwich of a list. Period.R u stupid, who said any anything about Ron Harper; I said D Harper; No your point was everybody on the honorable list was trash; So Paul, Nash, KJ etc cant get top 10 consideration
kj was in a league with gary payton, john stockton, tim hardaway, penny hardaway, jason kidd, magic johnson, zeke, mark jackson, etc so of course he was overshadow..chris had zero comp in todays game when he played..it's like how steve smith said in an interview when u was in the east u only had a chance to be a backup sg in the allstar game cause jordan automatically got first dibs at starting..kj was in a league where 4 guys became the top 5 alltime assist leaders..1 was the alltime steals leader and another defensive player of the yr..this shows how great the league was back than compared to now when a guy can put up 22 points and 12 assist 1 yr and don't even start in the allstar game or be considered an mvp candidate..a real expert would peep how wack the league is when a dude dosen't even average 20 points a game and has 11 assist and wins an mvp(steve nash first mvp yr)..chris paul would be mark price if he was in the league back than..a good pg but not the best in the game
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Chris Paul isn't a great point guard? He leads the league in assists almost every year
Yeah but he won them, the MVP award is always debatable, but since he won them that puts him up there with one of the best point guards.
would he lead the league in the 90's, 80's , some of the early 2000's...back in the day having less than 10 assist a game wouldn't give u no assist title..u had to be clocking 11-13 to get that title..now u can get less than 10 and lead the league..as we said some dudes who are not on the top 10 was averaging more assist per game than paul..some were putting up more points..some juss had better overall stats certain yrs..but yet they not even considered top 10 and yet the list claims he is..like i said kj had better single season stats than chris paul but they wouldn't even think of putting his name in the top 10..in fact kj stats and chris stats is damn near identical if u compare their first 11 seasons..kj average more points and chris slighty more assist
Exactly, hell Mark Jackson is 4th all time assist; played in the same area; and I put him on my honorable mention list and dude said it was trash; Nash was a great player for his time in the league but when considering all time ever, he shouldnt be in top 10; but he should definitely receive consideration; just like KJ, Hardaway, and a few others; but again CP is so great yet cant win playoff games; All greats should be able to win playoff games, right??
Yea, you're either being disingenuous or you just dont really know what you're talking about bro. Zeke, Penny and MarkJack were in the east, Magic retired two years after KJ became a starter, and KJ had 5 or so seasons before Kidd came into league. Not sure what Steve Smith and MJ and the SG position in the east have to do with anything because we arent talking about that. The fact remains that the only hall of fame caliber players KJ had to deal with were GP, and Stockton, yet he only made a few all star games, never 1st team all nba, and not even 3rd team all nba defense. For some reason you keep ignoring the defensive side of the ball and instead focus on his scoring and assist while telling me he played murderers row everynight (which isnt true). Both sides of the ball matter, his lack of a deep ball matters, him being a mediocre shooter beyond 15 feet matter. Again, theres a reason why you are the only cat making an argument for KJ over CP3. No one credible has EVER said that.
dude i didn't even read all the shit u juss typed yet but it's obvious u don't kno what ur talking about..when did penny enter the nba??? who was getting the nba 1st team over him??? was kj gonna get 1st nba team over the few yrs over magic? stockton led the nba in assist for like 11 yrs so how was kj gonna get mad burn over him..gp was all defensive team so how was kj gonna get burn over him?? zeke also played a few yrs during kj years once again how is he gonna make first team 2nd team with all these players with bigger names, better stats and in certain cases championship teams or at least nba finals representatives...there's never been a yr when kj played where an alltime leader in assist wasn't playing...magic, stocton, mark jackson, zeke, jason kidd all played during kj reign so he never was gonna be first team anything..and stockton, gary payton was always top of steals so he wasn't gonna get a defense anything over those guys..mite i add people like tim hardaway was playing, mark jackson, as well as other point guards..kj got more double digit assist yrs than cp 3..he also had a better single season in assist..and had better numbers yet he still was never a candidate for mvp..that's how oversaturated the game was in pg back than..how he's gonna get top dog in a class of hall of famers circled around him... cp can't even win the assist award every yr in a league with zero all time assist leaders.. rondo has beat him out a few times and that guy ain't even close to breaking top 5 alltime..u said kj wasn't a good defender yet he average 1.5-1.7 steals many yrs juss fractions less than cp3..cp mite get 2 steals a game or 2.3 wow that's so much more than the"not a good defender as u call him kj"
