Engagement Ring Back

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Question for the BGOL Fam...If you give your girl an engagement ring and ya'll broke up during the engagement. Would you ask for the Ring back or would you let her have it?.... Just curious to hear some answers
 
Question for the BGOL Fam...If you give your girl an engagement ring and ya'll broke up during the engagement. Would you ask for the Ring back or would you let her have it?.... Just curious to hear some answers

are you a on estrogen supplements? of course you get it back if you're no longer engaged.
 
I thought was supposed go back. Since it is a symbol of engagement and the engagement is no more.
 
Get that shit back. An engagement ring is a material promise that marriage will follow. No marriage = cough up that ring.
 
My wife over the years has had nuff of her friends tell her they've pawned rings, and went out and painted the town red.

Some messed up women with a grudge would def be with the quickness getting rid of that shit, or maybe that's just Brooklyn, lol...
 
Get that shit back. An engagement ring is a material promise that marriage will follow. No marriage = cough up that ring.
i swear i heard this argument before in one of my law classes in undergrad. i forgot whether that was legally viable.

KTD, where you at?:lol:
 
She supposed to return the ring, in NJ the courts will tell her to do so. If you want her to keep it, that will be up to you.
 
i swear i heard this argument before in one of my law classes in undergrad. i forgot whether that was legally viable.

KTD, where you at?:lol:

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/article-30198.html
Returning an Engagement Ring
If the engagement is over, state law decides who keeps the engagement ring.

The engagement is over. In addition to the sorrow, the heartbroken must deal with the question of whether the engagement ring need to be returned--along with the deposits left with the caterer, the florist, and the dressmaker.

State courts around the nation that have considered the issue -- whether a bride can keep the engagement ring or whether she must return it -- have reached different conclusions.
When Is a Gift a Gift?

Courts generally treat the engagement ring as a gift, from the donor (the person who gave the ring) to the donee (the person who received it). To be considered a legal gift, three things must be present: the donor's intent to give the ring as a gift, the donor's delivery of it to the donee, and the donee's acceptance of the item. If the person to whom the ring was given can show all three elements, a court will consider the ring to be a gift.
Conditional Gifts

However, the majority of courts also consider such a gift to be a conditional one. That means that, until some future event occurs, the gift isn't final; if that event does not occur, then the donor has the right to get the gift back. In real life, many parents use this concept by, for example, giving a teenage daughter the keys to the family car, on the condition that she maintain a certain grade point average for a specified period of time. If she doesn't make the grade, the keys must be returned.

Women who want to keep their engagement rings often argue that the condition needed to make the engagement ring a final gift is simply the acceptance of the proposal of marriage, not the completion of the marriage ceremony. That way, if the engagement is broken, the ring remains her property.

However, this argument often loses. The majority of courts find that the gift of an engagement ring contains an implied condition of marriage; acceptance of the proposal is not the underlying "deal." Absent some other understanding -- say, that the ring is merely a memento of a great trip to Hawaii -- most courts look at engagement rings as conditional gifts given in contemplation of marriage:

The Supreme Court of Montana has come down on the opposite side of this fence, rejecting the conditional gift theory and declaring that an engagement ring is an unconditional, completed gift. Ex-fiances in that western state are unlikely to get help from the courts if they want to get an engagement ring back. Albinger v. Harris, 2002 WL 1226858 (Mont. 2002).
Fault for the Break-Up

When divining who gets to keep the engagement ring, courts also do not agree on whether it should matter who did the breaking up or why.
Courts That Do Consider the Reasons for the Breakup

To some judges, it isn't fair that the donor should always get the ring back, especially if the donee stood ready to go ahead with the marriage and the donor broke it off. These same judges think it would be unfair for the donee to keep the ring if the engagement was broken because of the donee's unfaithfulness or other wrongdoing. In such cases, they order that the ring should be returned to its purchaser. This "fault-based" rule is the majority approach.

For example, consider the case of George J. Pavlicic, a 75-year-old man, who had a romance with Sara Jane Mills, aged 26. They became engaged in 1949. He bought her a house, two cars, an engagement ring, and a diamond ring in anticipation of their marriage. George then lent her a significant amount of money, including $5,000 to buy a saloon. Sara Jane then disappeared. The next time she was heard from, she had indeed used the $5,000 to buy a saloon, but it was in another city, and she had married another man.

George went to court. He wanted everything that he'd given Sara Jane back -- and he won. Pavlicic v. Vogtsberger, 136 A.2d 127, 130 (Penn. 1957).

Some courts applying a fault-based rule consider the exchange of the ring to be more like a contract than a conditional gift: The ring is just a symbol of the agreement to marry. If that agreement is not performed, then those involved should be restored to their former positions -- as they would be if the contract was for, say, the delivery of a bushel of wheat -- and the ring should be returned to the person who first had it. But if the donor backs out, the donee should keep the ring, because a person who breaches contracts should not be rewarded for doing so. Spinnell v. Quigley, 785 P.2d 1149 (1990).
Courts That Don't Consider the Reasons for the Breakup

Other judges think that the whole matter of who broke up with whom isn't any of their business. If the wedding's off, they say, the donor should get the ring back, regardless of why, where, when, or at whose behest the engagement ended. After all, they reason, no-fault divorce makes it possible for marriages to end without bitter court fights over whose fault it was; engagements should be treated the same way.

Just a few years ago, the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania stuck steadfastly to the no-fault reasoning and decreed that the donor should always get the ring back if the engagement is broken off, regardless of who broke it off or why. Lindh v. Surman, 742 A.2d 643 (Pa. 1999). Iowa, Kansas, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, and Wisconsin have the same rule.

Justices on the Supreme Court of Kansas, which also adopted the no-fault rule in 1997, detailed the difficulties that they imagined would be theirs with a fault-based approach:

hould courts be asked to determine which of the following grounds for breaking an engagement is fault or justified? (1) The parties have nothing in common; (2) one party cannot stand prospective in-laws; (3) a minor child of one of the parties is hostile to and will not accept the other party; (4) an adult child of one of the parties will not accept the other party; (5) the parties' pets do not get along; (6) a party was too hasty in proposing or accepting the proposal; (7) the engagement was a rebound situation which is now regretted; (8) one party has untidy habits that irritate the other; or (9) the parties have religious differences.
Heiman v. Parrish, 942 P.2d 631, 637 (Kan. 1997).
 
Question for the BGOL Fam...If you give your girl an engagement ring and ya'll broke up during the engagement. Would you ask for the Ring back or would you let her have it?.... Just curious to hear some answers

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Question for the BGOL Fam...If you give your girl an engagement ring and ya'll broke up during the engagement. Would you ask for the Ring back or would you let her have it?.... Just curious to hear some answers

You're supposed to get the ring back if you dont get married... Engagement rings come with strngs attached and she's obligated to give it back if you dont get married.

You could win in court if she refuses to give it back.
 
are you a on estrogen supplements? of course you get it back if you're no longer engaged.

:lol: Take your books, and go sit in the back of the class!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:lol:
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This situation is on court show weekly. You should get the ring back. If she sells it you are entitled to what you spent on it. Save that receipt
 
You get it back. But I have heard of dudes not wanting it back. And the girl ends up keeping it and they never get back together...and the obvious happens.
 
Yeah tell her you want that shit back, you can pay some bills with that shit buy some stocks.



















































Good luck getting that shit back though nigga. Bitch prolly sold that muthafucka already being that gold and everything done went up. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
You can get it back from Becky.

But you won't get if back from Aquinetta Alize "Pookie" Jenkins.



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I think the unofficial time frame is 6 mos - 1 year. She should be obligated to give the ring back after that she can.

More reason to give a CZ then you can have her feel that she is winning :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
Question for the BGOL Fam...If you give your girl an engagement ring and ya'll broke up during the engagement. Would you ask for the Ring back or would you let her have it?.... Just curious to hear some answers

im willing to go as far as paying someone to rob her IF she refuses to give my shit back!!!!!!!!!!!!:yes::yes:

i will loose no sleep behind it!
 
If I fucked it up I wouldnt ask for it back. If it was mutual or she messed it up I'd def ask for it back.
 
aw so what i let her keep it, after all i did get it from wal mart for the low low:yes:
 
"A ring is a gift given in contemplation of marriage. If there is no marriage, the ring goes back to giver." - Judge Judy :yes:
 
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