Egyptian Revolution

Re: Biden Says Egypt's Mubarak No Dictator, He Shouldn't Step Down

By that do you mean you don't think Mubarak qualifies????

Of course not. He (Mubarak) is what he is. Joe is what he is: infamous for mis-speaking.

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Re: Biden Says Egypt's Mubarak No Dictator, He Shouldn't Step Down

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Egypt's Mubarak on the brink;
Opposition figure ElBaradei demands 'new era'
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Egyptian Nobel Peace laureate Mohamed ElBaradei
addresses the crowd.



McClatchy Newspapers
By Hannah Allam and
Shashank Bengali
Sunday, January 30, 2011


CAIRO, Egypt — Opposition figure Mohammed ElBaradei emerged from house arrest late Sunday to join throngs of protesters in central Cairo, echoing their demand that U.S.-allied President Hosni Mubarak resign and establishing himself as the face of Egypt's six-day pro-democracy uprising.

The dramatic nighttime appearance by ElBaradei — the Nobel Peace Prize winner who returned to Egypt last week after the protests began — suddenly placed him at the forefront of a leaderless grassroots revolt that's brought one of the Arab world's longest and most entrenched dictatorships to the brink of collapse.

As the banned Muslim Brotherhood and other Egyptian opposition groups said they'd support ElBaradei in negotiations over a possible new government, President Barack Obama called allies and expressed support for "an orderly transition to a government that is responsive to the aspirations of the Egyptian people," according to a White House statement.

Mubarak's days appeared to be numbered, although the 82-year-old leader showed no obvious signs that he'd give up the office he's held for nearly three decades. F-16 fighter jets buzzed protesters in downtown Cairo in a show of intimidation, while news services reported that the Egyptian army was sending reinforcements and state television said that the police, who have been absent from the streets since Friday, would resume patrols.

Cairo remained an anxious battle zone: long lines at fuel pumps, markets plucked clean of bread and other staples, shops boarded up or looted, banks and restaurants shuttered. Neighborhood watch groups armed themselves against the marauding gangs that many Egyptians thought had been unleashed by the hated Interior Ministry to sow chaos. Dozens of prisoners had reportedly escaped or been let free from jails.

The U.S. Embassy was making arrangements to evacuate American citizens to "safe haven locations in Europe" starting Monday and authorized non-emergency staff and the relatives of diplomats to leave Egypt. The State Department urged Americans to "consider leaving as soon as they can safely do so."

The death toll in the protests rose to at least 150, according to Al Jazeera, the pan-Arab satellite network whose live broadcasts of Tahrir ("Liberation") Square have provided the world with a front-row seat to the revolt — and prompted authorities to close its Cairo bureau Sunday. The network continued to broadcast via satellite, however.

Yet tens of thousands of Egyptians defied fear and the third day of a nationwide curfew to mass again after nightfall in Tahrir Square. ElBaradei, the bookish former head of the United Nations nuclear watchdog agency, appeared about 7 p.m. and said through a bullhorn to a crowd that huddled around him: "Today, each of us is a different Egyptian."

<center><font size="3">"We have restored our rights, we have restored our freedoms. What
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Just days ago, even after a similar uprising had toppled Tunisia's dictatorial leader, Zine el Abidine Ben Ali, a post-Mubarak scenario in Egypt was unthinkable. The majority of Egypt's roughly 80 million citizens have never known any other leader, and chronic complaints about political repression, low wages, corruption and nepotism — he'd been grooming his son, Gamal, to succeed him — had never seriously challenged a regime that enjoyed $1.5 billion in annual U.S. aid, most of it for the military.

On the streets of the capital Sunday, however, Egyptians had begun to refer to Mubarak as "the ex-president."

Opposition groups appeared to be coalescing around ElBaradei as the face of the uprising for now. He secured the backing of the largest opposition organization, the Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist group that Mubarak had effectively banned, although many Egyptians criticize him as a latecomer who joined the protest movement after it began or say he doesn't represent ordinary citizens.

He and another prominent dissident, Ayman Nour, were named to a 10-member committee formed Sunday by the a loose grouping of opposition factions, including the Muslim Brotherhood, to negotiate with the regime and press for Mubarak's resignation.

"We are not negotiating with President Mubarak, since our key demand is to have him stepping down," Nour told Al Jazeera English. "We will negotiate with the army . . . and we will also negotiate with other political parties in order to have a national reconciliation government."

Nour denied that the committee was asking the army to stage a coup against Mubarak, saying it wanted the military to "defend and safeguard the citizens."

On Saturday, Mubarak named former intelligence chief Omar Suleiman as his first-ever vice president and Ahmed Shafiq, a former air force chief of staff, as the new prime minister, fueling speculation that he's preparing to hand over power to his closest allies.

The news did nothing to deter the protesters, who on Sunday continued to chant, "Mubarak, you must leave."

Speaking on CNN, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said, "What we're trying to do is to help clear the air so that those who remain in power, starting with President Mubarak, with his new vice president, with the new prime minister, will begin a process of reaching out, of creating a dialogue that will bring in peaceful activists and representatives of civil society to . . . plan a way forward that will meet the legitimate grievances of the Egyptian people."

Clinton's remarks showed that the Obama administration understands that Mubarak's time is running out, said Nader Hashemi of the University of Denver's Josef Korbel School of International Studies.

"There seems to be a shift in U.S. policy where the Egyptian people are given respect and their right to determine their future is finally being acknowledged by the American government," he said.

Earlier Sunday, there was almost no police presence on the streets, and military tanks stayed parked in Tahrir Square and other key neighborhoods without confronting protesters. Authorities said that the nationwide curfew would be extended for a fourth day Monday, and would begin an hour earlier, at 3 p.m. Cairo time (7 a.m. in Washington).

As dusk fell over Cairo, two army tanks rolled through a residential neighborhood in Dokki, a middle-class western suburb where residents had armed themselves with kitchen knives the night before to guard against looters. The residents welcomed the tanks.

In the eastern port city of Suez, the scene of one of the biggest clashes of the revolt on Friday, streets remained strewn with rubble and the army was out in force, guarding the main government buildings, reported Joe Stork, the deputy director of the Middle East and North Africa at Human Rights Watch.

The group said that hospitals in Cairo and Alexandria needed blood donations.

(Allam reported from Cairo, Bengali from Baghdad. McClatchy special correspondent Miret el Naggar in Cairo and Erika Bolstad and Jonathan S. Landay in Washington contributed to this article.)



http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/01/30/107727/egypts-mubarak-on-the-brink-elbaradei.html
 
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I'm sure many of you remember Elbaradei, but for those who may not, during the run up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, ElBaradei was a frequent thorn in the side of the Bush administration who staunchly believed that Iraq did not have an active nuclear weapons program. His work was validated after the invasion took place and no weapons of mass destruction were found.

In 2005, he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his work as the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
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If this guy comes to power in Egypt and his government is hostile to the U.S., maybe we should Let's Not Forget Who Fucked Things Up.


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Re: Biden Says Egypt's Mubarak No Dictator, He Shouldn't Step Down

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The Egypt Crisis in a Global Context
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Protesters wave the Egyptian flag in downtown Cairo on Jan. 30


Strategic Forecasting, Inc., (STRATFOR)
By George Friedman
January 30, 2011


It is not at all clear what will happen in the Egyptian revolution. It is not a surprise that this is happening. Hosni Mubarak has been president for more than a quarter of a century, ever since the assassination of Anwar Sadat. He is old and has been ill. No one expected him to live much longer, and his apparent plan, which was that he would be replaced by his son, Gamal, was not going to happen even though it was a possibility a year ago. There was no one, save his closest business associates, who wanted to see Mubarak’s succession plans happen. As his father weakened, Gamal’s succession became even less likely. Mubarak’s failure to design a credible succession plan guaranteed instability on his death. Since everyone knew that there would be instability on his death, there were obviously those who saw little advantage to acting before he died. Who these people were and what they wanted is the issue.

Let’s begin by considering the regime. In 1952, Col. Gamal Abdel Nasser staged a military coup that displaced the Egyptian monarchy, civilian officers in the military, and British influence in Egypt. Nasser created a government based on military power as the major stabilizing and progressive force in Egypt. His revolution was secular and socialist. In short, it was a statist regime dominated by the military. On Nasser’s death, Anwar Sadat replaced him. On Sadat’s assassination, Hosni Mubarak replaced him. Both of these men came from the military as Nasser did. However their foreign policy might have differed from Nasser’s, the regime remained intact.


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The demands for Mubarak’s resignation come from many quarters, including from members of the regime — particularly the military — who regard Mubarak’s unwillingness to permit them to dictate the succession as endangering the regime. For some of them, the demonstrations represent both a threat and opportunity. Obviously, the demonstrations might get out of hand and destroy the regime. On the other hand, the demonstrations might be enough to force Mubarak to resign, allow a replacement — for example, Omar Suleiman, the head of intelligence who Mubarak recently appointed vice president — and thereby save the regime. This is not to say that they fomented the demonstrations, but some must have seen the demonstrations as an opportunity.

This is particularly the case in the sense that the demonstrators are deeply divided among themselves and thus far do not appear to have been able to generate the type of mass movement that toppled the Shah of Iran’s regime in 1979. More important, the demonstrators are clearly united in opposing Mubarak as an individual, and to a large extent united in opposing the regime. Beyond that, there is a deep divide in the opposition.

Western media has read the uprising as a demand for Western-style liberal democracy. Many certainly are demanding that. What is not clear is that this is moving Egypt’s peasants, workers and merchant class to rise en masse. Their interests have far more to do with the state of the Egyptian economy than with the principles of liberal democracy. As in Iran in 2009, the democratic revolution, if focused on democrats, cannot triumph unless it generates broader support.

The other element in this uprising is the Muslim Brotherhood. The consensus of most observers is that the Muslim Brotherhood at this point is no longer a radical movement and is too weak to influence the revolution. This may be possible, but it is not obvious. The Muslim Brotherhood has many strands, many of which have been quiet under Mubarak’s repression. It is not clear who will emerge if Mubarak falls. It is certainly not clear that they are weaker than the democratic demonstrators. It is a mistake to confuse the Muslim Brotherhood’s caution with weakness. Another way to look at them is that they have bided their time and toned down their real views, waiting for the kind of moment provided by Mubarak’s succession. I would suspect that the Muslim Brotherhood has more potential influence among the Egyptian masses than the Western-oriented demonstrators or Mohamed ElBaradei, the former head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, who is emerging as their leader.

There is, of course, the usual discussion of what U.S. President Barack Obama’s view is, or what the Europeans think, or what the Iranians are up to. All of them undoubtedly have thoughts and even plans. In my view, trying to shape the political dynamics of a country like Egypt from Iran or the United States is futile, and believing that what is happening in Egypt is the result of their conspiracies is nonsense. A lot of people care what is happening there, and a lot of people are saying all sorts of things and even spending money on spies and Twitter. Egypt’s regime can be influenced in this way, but a revolution really doesn’t depend on what the European Union or Tehran says.

There are four outcomes possible. First, the regime might survive. Mubarak might stabilize the situation, or more likely, another senior military official would replace him after a decent interval. Another possibility under the scenario of the regime’s survival is that there may be a coup of the colonels, as we discussed yesterday. A second possibility is that the demonstrators might force elections in which ElBaradei or someone like him could be elected and Egypt might overthrow the statist model built by Nasser and proceed on the path of democracy. The third possibility is that the demonstrators force elections, which the Muslim Brotherhood could win and move forward with an Islamist-oriented agenda. The fourth possibility is that Egypt will sink into political chaos. The most likely path to this would be elections that result in political gridlock in which a viable candidate cannot be elected. If I were forced to choose, I would bet on the regime stabilizing itself and Mubarak leaving because of the relative weakness and division of the demonstrators. But that’s a guess and not a forecast.


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Whatever happens matters a great deal to Egyptians. But only some of these outcomes are significant to the world. Among radical Islamists, the prospect of a radicalized Egypt represents a new lease on life. For Iran, such an outcome would be less pleasing. Iran is now the emerging center of radical Islamism; it would not welcome competition from Egypt, though it may be content with an Islamist Egypt that acts as an Iranian ally (something that would not be easy to ensure).

For the United States, an Islamist Egypt would be a strategic catastrophe. Egypt is the center of gravity in the Arab world. This would not only change the dynamic of the Arab world, it would reverse U.S. strategy since the end of the 1973 Arab-Israeli war. Sadat’s decision to reverse his alliance with the Soviets and form an alliance with the United States undermined the Soviet position in the Mediterranean and in the Arab world and strengthened the United States immeasurably. The support of Egyptian intelligence after 9/11 was critical in blocking and undermining al Qaeda. Were Egypt to stop that cooperation or become hostile, the U.S. strategy would be severely undermined.

The great loser would be Israel. Israel’s national security has rested on its treaty with Egypt, signed by Menachem Begin with much criticism by the Israeli right. The demilitarization of the Sinai Peninsula not only protected Israel’s southern front, it meant that the survival of Israel was no longer at stake. Israel fought three wars (1948, 1967 and 1973) where its very existence was at issue. The threat was always from Egypt, and without Egypt in the mix, no coalition of powers could threaten Israel (excluding the now-distant possibility of Iranian nuclear weapons). In all of the wars Israel fought after its treaty with Egypt (the 1982 and 2006 wars in Lebanon) Israeli interests, but not survival, were at stake.

If Egypt were to abrogate the Camp David Accords and over time reconstruct its military into an effective force, the existential threat to Israel that existed before the treaty was signed would re-emerge. This would not happen quickly, but Israel would have to deal with two realities. The first is that the Israeli military is not nearly large enough or strong enough to occupy and control Egypt. The second is that the development of Egypt’s military would impose substantial costs on Israel and limit its room for maneuver.

There is thus a scenario that would potentially strengthen the radical Islamists while putting the United States, Israel, and potentially even Iran at a disadvantage, all for different reasons. That scenario emerges only if two things happen. First, the Muslim Brotherhood must become a dominant political force in Egypt. Second, they must turn out to be more radical than most observers currently believe they are — or they must, with power, evolve into something more radical.

If the advocates for democracy win, and if they elect someone like ElBaradei, it is unlikely that this scenario would take place. The pro-Western democratic faction is primarily concerned with domestic issues, are themselves secular and would not want to return to the wartime state prior to Camp David, because that would simply strengthen the military. If they win power, the geopolitical arrangements would remain unchanged.

Similarly, the geopolitical arrangements would remain in place if the military regime retained power — save for one scenario. If it was decided that the regime’s unpopularity could be mitigated by assuming a more anti-Western and anti-Israeli policy — in other words, if the regime decided to play the Islamist card, the situation could evolve as a Muslim Brotherhood government would. Indeed, as hard as it is to imagine, there could be an alliance with the Muslim Brotherhood designed to stabilize the regime. Stranger things have happened.

When we look at the political dynamic of Egypt, and try to imagine its connection to the international system, we can see that there are several scenarios under which certain political outcomes would have profound effects on the way the world works. That should not be surprising. When Egypt was a pro-Soviet Nasserite state, the world was a very different place than it had been before Nasser. When Sadat changed his foreign policy the world changed with it. If Sadat’s foreign policy changes, the world changes again. Egypt is one of those countries whose internal politics matter to more than its own citizens.

Most of the outcomes I envision leave Egypt pretty much where it is. But not all. The situation is, as they say, in doubt, and the outcome is not trivial.



http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20110130-the-egypt-crisis-in-a-global-context-a-special-report

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Re: Biden Says Egypt's Mubarak No Dictator, He Shouldn't Step Down

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Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak's son, Gamal Mubarak, who was considered as his successor has fled to Britain along with his family, US-based Arabic website Akhbar al-Arab reported.

The plane with Gamal Mubarak, his wife and daughter on board left for London Tuesday from an airport in western Cairo.​

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Cairo: Anger Starting To Focus On Israel, US

Cairo - Saturday’s optimism on the streets of Cairo for imminent political change gave way to anger on Sunday, as thousands of demonstrators became increasingly frustrated with the lack of response from major world leaders, especially the US.

During the main protest on Sunday in downtown Cairo, one man painted a 20- meter-long message in flowing Arabic cursive that echoed across the square: “Go Away, Mubarak, you are from the Americans, and you’re working for them!”

Egyptians understand that the world is waiting to see if President Hosni Mubarak falls to popular pressure before major leaders decide which side to support. But this is infuriating the demonstrators, who realize that six days of unrest have not accomplished their goal and that they need united international pressure in order to topple the almost-30-year incumbent.

The protests have lacked a clear leader to unite them and provide an alternative to Mubarak, and demonstrators are beginning to focus their wrath not just on Mubarak and the country’s widespread corruption, but also on the United States and, to a lesser extent, Israel. They blame Israel and the US for supporting a government because it is convenient for them, not because it is good for the Egyptian people.

“The USA does not support democracy; they’re supporting Israel, which is like their baby,” said Ahmed, a 26-year-old Cairo resident. “They think Egypt is functional because it’s in favor of their considerations.”

“I don’t care if we have peace [with Israel] or not,” Ahmed continued, echoing the indifference of many demonstrators who don’t have a clear agenda for what they want a future Egypt to look like, as long as it does not include Mubarak. “But will Israel allow us to have a real president? For example, Turkey elected an Islamic government, but it was their choice. Will Israel give us the freedom to make the same choice?” he asked.

Demonstrators are relying on the foreign press to get their message to Obama.

“Isn’t this democracy?” they asked me over and over when I said I was a journalist from America, incredulous that the country held as the pinnacle of world democracy could ignore such widespread popular sentiment.

“Obama has to be on our side. Where is your democracy?” asked Osam L, who works at a foreign bank in Cairo.

“You say Arabs are just donkeys, but the USA is supporting the system, not the people.”

The Jewish community in Cairo and Alexandria both declined to speak with the media, but told The Jerusalem Post that all of its members were safe and going about their daily routine as normally as possible.

Life is slowly returning to Cairo streets after nearly a week of unrest. Many of the stores in the downtown area remained shuttered, but convenience stores and cell phone kiosks were doing brisk business. There was significantly more traffic on the roads, and public transportation and trash collection were partially operational.

At 3:55 pm on Sunday, two fighter jets flew low over the city half a dozen times, ostensibly to remind everyone of the 4:00 pm curfew. The scare tactic was successful – by 4:30, the streets were mostly empty of cars as throngs of people headed on foot toward Tahrir Square.

Sunday’s protests were much less violent, although there was more anger directed at international leaders.

“What you are seeing here is an explosion. We have no other choice,” yelled one demonstrator.

The main protest in Tahrir Square continued to be attended by thousands of demonstrators from all walks of life – toddlers with small flags draped around their shoulders raising a fist in solidarity, old men in traditional garb walking slowly with canes near the sidewalks, giggling school girls, whole families marching arm and arm, young professionals as well as laborers.

“Those people that say we’re out here because of food or oil prices, that’s not true,” said Osam L. “I have enough to eat, thank God. I’m here for my freedom.”
 
Something that wasn't made in China, This shit would have to be a teargas cannister, Made in the USA!

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That's what the USA has been importing into Egypt.

Richard Engel of NBC has been doing some good stuff domestically on this issue. He said a protester actually handed him one of these canisters.
 
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<font size="3">Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton called on Sunday for <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">“an orderly transition” to a more politically open Egypt</span>.

Ms. Clinton made the remark, stopping short of calling for a complete overthrow of Egyptian President Honsi Mubarak. The Secretary of State appeared on the Sunday talk shows, calling for calm as the Middle East nation continues to face unrest.

She said on “State of the Union” on CNN that the United States stood <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">“ready to help with the kind of transition that will lead to greater political and economic freedom.”</span>

Ms. Clinton’s remarks follow a week of back-and-forth politics in which the White House and President Obama continually reassessed their stance on the uprising. Mr. Obama spent the weekend speaking with regional allies in an effort to quell uncertainty regarding the position held by the United States.

Ms. Clinton reiterated her assertion regarding aid to Egypt, saying the United States did not intend to cut military aid to Egypt, despite the White House announcement Friday that the nearly $1.5 billion in annual assistance was under review.
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http://www.thestatecolumn.com/artic...linton-calls-for-orderly-transition-in-egypt/
 
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The following is a report from a STRATFOR source in Hamas. Hamas, which formed in Gaza as an outgrowth of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood (MB), has an interest in exaggerating its role and coordination with the MB in this crisis. The following information has not been confirmed. Nonetheless, there is a great deal of concern building in Israel and the United States in particular over the role of the MB in the demonstrations and whether a political opening will be made for the Islamist organization in Egypt.


<font size="3">The Egyptian police are no longer patrolling the Rafah border crossing into Gaza. Hamas armed men are entering into Egypt and are closely collaborating with the MB. The MB has fully engaged itself in the demonstrations, and they are unsatisfied with the dismissal of the Cabinet. They are insisting on a new Cabinet that does not include members of the ruling National Democratic Party.

Security forces in plainclothes are engaged in destroying public property in order to give the impression that many protesters represent a public menace. The MB is meanwhile forming people’s committees to protect public property and also to coordinate demonstrators’ activities, including supplying them with food, beverages and first aid.​

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http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20110129-red-alert-hamas-and-muslim-brotherhood

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<font size="3">President Obama Recalibrates Words on Egypt

ABC NEWS
January 31, 2011

As the situation on the ground in Egypt continues to evolve, the White House is constantly recalibrating its public statements, with President Obama and administration officials now issuing carefully worded statements that lean more into the notion of a significant change in Egypt’s leadership. After speaking with the leaders of the UK, Turkey, Israel and Saudi Arabia over the weekend, President Obama issued a statement saying that he <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"> supports “an orderly transition to a government that is responsive to the aspirations of the Egyptian people.”</span>

Those words, which closely track comments made on Sunday shows by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, represent the U.S. more publicly demanding that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak either embrace democracy or cede power to someone who will.

These words represent a change in tone and substance from President Obama’s Friday night remarks that he told President Mubarak “he has a responsibility to give meaning” to words “pledg(ing) a better democracy and greater economic opportunity”….”to take concrete steps and actions that deliver on that promise.” They represent a clear departure from the words of Vice President Joe Biden, who on Thursday told the PBS NewsHour that Mubarak was an “ally” and disputed the notion that he’s a “dictator.”</font size>


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Whatever does come next will indubitably have the support of the Egyptian military, which is where the US is significantly invested. Over the weekend, Defense Secretary Robert Gates spoke with Field Marshall Tantawi, the Egyptian Minister of Defense, and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen spoke with his Egyptian counterpart, Lt. Gen. Sami Enan.

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http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/01/president-obama-recalibrates-words-on-egypt.html
 
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Whatever does come next will indubitably have the support of the Egyptian military, which is where the US is significantly invested. Over the weekend, Defense Secretary Robert Gates spoke with Field Marshall Tantawi, the Egyptian Minister of Defense, and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen spoke with his Egyptian counterpart, Lt. Gen. Sami Enan.

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WASHINGTON — The Egyptian military vowed Monday not to use force against protesters ahead of a planned million-person protest set for Tuesday, buttressing what had been growing signs that the military wouldn't step in to ensure the survival of President Hosni Mubarak's regime.

The army statement called on demonstrators to show restraint and acknowledged the "legitimacy" of their complaints. It affirmed the army's support for "freedom of expression through peaceful means."

"The presence of the army in the streets is for your sake and to ensure your safety and well-being. The armed forces will not resort to use of force against our great people," the statement said.

<SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">"Your armed forces, who are aware of the legitimacy of your demands and are keen to assume their responsibility in protecting the nation and the citizens, affirms that freedom of expression through peaceful means is guaranteed to everybody."</span>

The army is a conscript force; which means that for many rank-and-file soldiers the protesters are family members whose quality of life has deteriorated under the Mubarak regime. That makes it difficult for generals to order their mid-rank soldiers to fire on the crowds.

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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/01/31/107803/egypts-military-says-it-wont-use.html; McClatchy Newspapers, January 31, 2011

 
America's Egypt Problem:

Just passing this along, provides a slightly different view from what you hear from the neocons. Makes a lot of sense though!

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,,hope Haiti catches on to move these corrupt military bitches, n demand UN return Aristides to power. :yes:
 
Look at the map....Israel surrounded by angry Muslims....facing danger from every direction. I wonder what theyre saying...to the US?


Something that wasn't made in China, This shit would have to be a teargas cannister, Made in the USA!

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They also got these M1 Tanks over there too.....





Guess who made it?
....lol

And speaking of China...a lot of there military weaponry/intelligence was either brought from us...stole from us...or brought or stole from people that we've sold to...lol

Gotta love this country!
 
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The Egyptian dictator is one funny cat, dude is firing and blaming everyone but himself. Dude is like "Yes! our government is corrupt and thats why I fired them all and I promise to hire better folks" :lol:
 
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Obama Says Egypt’s Transition to New Government ‘Must Begin Now’

Feb. 2 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama said Egypt’s transition to a new government “must begin now,” suggesting President Hosni Mubarak’s plan to remain in office for eight more months may not quell the protests in Cairo’s streets.

Obama then went before television cameras at the White House to say Mubarak “recognizes that the status quo is not sustainable and change must take place.”

<SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">“What is clear,”</span> Obama said he told Mubarak, <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">“is my belief that an orderly transition must be meaningful, it must be peaceful, and it must begin now.”</span>

Mubarak’s announcement that he won’t seek re-election followed direct pressure from the U.S. administration.
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http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...sition-to-new-government-must-begin-now-.html
 
Anti-Mubarak protesters capture several plain-clothes Pro-Mubarak government agent pr

Anti-Mubarak protesters capture several plain-clothes Pro-Mubarak government agent provocateurs. Anti-Mubarak protesters show agents and hold up security IDs for Al Jazeera cameras; most have cell phones and are flip-cam documenting the government agent.
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Anderson Cooper got attacked in Egypt
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The Egyption Revolution - The Real Story

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Background

A friend of mine in academia forwarded this e-mail to me from an Egyptian student whose good sense he vouches for. The student tells a story very different from what most of you are seeing on television or reading in your papers.

The Story of the Egyptian Revolution
One week ago, Egypt was a stable authoritarian regime, prospects of change were minimal and every expert in Washington would have betted on the endurance of its regime. Today, Egypt is in a state of chaos. The regime, even after using its mightiest sword is not able to control the country and the streets of Egypt are in a state of utter lawlessness. As the world stands in awe, confusion, and worry at the unfolding events, perhaps it is important to write the evolving story that is happening in Egypt before any reflections can be made on them.

Preliminary Analysis

Contrary to pundits, it turns out that the Egyptian regime was neither stable nor secure. The lack of its stability is not a reflection of its weakness or lack of a resolve to oppress. It is a reflection of its inherent contradiction to the natural desire of men to enjoy their basic freedoms. Egyptians might not know what democracy actually means, but that does not make the concept any less desirable. Perhaps it is precisely its vagueness and abstraction that makes the concept all the more desirable.

How It All Began

For two weeks calls were made using new social media tools for a mass demonstration on the 25th of January. Observers dismissed those calls as another virtual activism that would not result in anything. Other calls in the past had resulted in very small public support and the demonstrations were limited to the familiar faces of political activists numbering in the hundreds. As the day progressed, the observers seemed to be correct in their skepticism. While the demonstrations were certainly larger than previous ones, numbering perhaps 15,000 in Cairo, they were nothing worrisome for the regime. They were certainly much smaller than the ones in 2003 against the Iraq War. The police force was largely tolerating and when they decided to empty Tahrir Square, where the demonstrators had camped for the night, it took them less than 5 minutes to do so.

But beneath that, things were very different. The social media tools had given people something that they had lacked previously, an independent means of communication and propaganda. Hundreds of thousands of young Egyptians in a matter of minutes were seeing the demonstration videos being uploaded on youtube. For an apolitical generation that had never shown interest in such events the demonstration was unprecedented. More remarkable they were tremendously exaggerated. At a moment when no more than 500 demonstrators had started gathering in that early morning, an Egyptian opposition leader could confidently tweet that he was leading 100,000 in Tahrir Square. And it stuck.

The Causes of the Crisis

It should come as no surprise to anyone that after 58 years of organized state propaganda, people would not believe for a second the government’s media machine and its coverage of the events. Why they chose to believe the alternative propaganda needs more explaining. People believed the twitter messages and the facebook postings because they wanted to believe them. Tunisia had broken the barrier for many people. It mattered not that the situation and ruling formula in Tunisia is very different than the one in Egypt. Perceptions were more important than reality. If the Tunisians could do it, then so could we. With 15,000 demonstrating in Cairo, Egyptians were already texting each other with stories of the President’s son escape. The only debate being whether Hosni Mubarak would escape to London or Saudi Arabia.

Growing Discontent

The next day the demonstrations continued with a promise of a return on Friday the 28th after Friday Prayers in Mosques. The regime started panicking at this moment. This was simply something they did not understand. Imagine for a second Mubarak’s advisors trying to explain to the 83 year old dictator what twitter is in the first place. What was more worrying for them was that the only real force in Egyptian politics, the Muslim Brotherhood, announced its intention of joining the demonstrations. Suddenly they were faced with the prospect of hundreds of thousands of demonstrators from every Mosque in the country. They acted as every panicking authoritarian regime would act. They acted stupidly.

State Response

The internet was cut off in Egypt. Mobile phone companies were ordered to suspend services. With tools of communication disrupted the regime was hopeful that they had things under control. Simultaneously they started standard arrests of Muslim Brotherhood leaders. Things seemed for them under control. But they weren’t. With every stupid panicking move by the regime, the narrative of its weakness was only reinforced for the people. People saw a regime that was scarred of the internet and they rightfully calculated that this was their golden opportunity.

It Finally Explodes

Friday was an unprecedented event in Egypt. While it is impossible to guess the number of protestors on the streets that day, it is safe to say that they exceeded one million. Every Mosque was a launching site for a demonstration. The Islamists were out in full force. The slogans that day were quite different than the previous ones. Islamic slogans and activists were clearly visible. The security forces were faced with wave after wave of protestors that came from every street. In 4 hours, the security forces were collapsing.

Ineffective Response

Whether Mubarak was fully previously told about the deteriorating situation for the previous days or whether it was at this moment that he suddenly realized the gravity of the situation remains unknown. One thing is sure; the regime was not prepared for this. It is at this moment that the decision was taken to call in the army, announce a curfew, and withdraw the security forces. In reality the army did not deploy immediately. The troops and tanks that appeared in the streets were the Presidential Guard units deployed in Cairo.

The army was actually still far away from deploying in Cairo. Because no one had imagined that the situation would totally be out of control, the level of alert of the army was never raised. Officers were not called from their vacations and the whole top command of the Egyptian army was actually thousands of miles away in Washington for strategic prearranged discussions at the Pentagon. Moreover, the plan of deployment of the army never imagined a scenario where people would defy it. No one imagined that the army would be required to put a tank in every street. They thought that the mere mention of the army being called in, the sight of a few tanks, and the announcement of the curfew, would make people immediately go home scared. People did not.

The Egyptian army is hugely popular. This is due to the established mythology of Egyptian politics. The army, which is in all aspects the regime, is seen as separate by the people. The army is viewed as clean (not like the corrupt government), efficient (they do build bridges fast), and more importantly the heroes that defeated Israel in 1973 (it is no use to debate that point with an Egyptian). With the troops and tanks appearing in the streets, people actually thought the army was on their side, whatever that might mean. With an announced Presidential addressed that kept being delayed; Egyptians prepared themselves for an announcement of Mubarak’s resignation.

Mubarak was at a loss. The troops could not possibly shoot people. That would not only destroy the army’s reputation, but more importantly the troops practically could not do it. These guys after all were not trained for this. They do not have rubber bullets or tear gas. They only have live ammunition and tanks and the thought of actually using them in this situation was never an option. To the surprise of the regime, people just celebrated the army’s arrival and started dancing in the streets defying the curfew. More importantly something else was happening as well. The looting was starting.

Security Leaves Before Army Arrives

The decision to withdraw the security forces was a natural decision. First they were utterly exhausted and needed the rest to regroup. Secondly, as the security forces had become the symbol of the regime’s oppression their withdrawal was seen as necessary to calm things. Thirdly and most importantly, in the protocol of operations there could not possibly be two forces with arms in the same street receiving orders from two different structures of command. Even with the best of coordination, a disaster is bound to happen.

What was not calculated however is the fact that suddenly a vacuum was created. The security forces were withdrawn and the army was not deployed yet. In this gap an opportunity presented itself for everyone. The scenes were unbelievable. First there was massive anger vented at symbols of state oppression such as the ruling party’s headquarters. More drastically, in what can only be described as systematic targeting, police stations everywhere were attacked. Every police station in Cairo was looted, the weapons in them stolen and then burned. At the same time, massive looting was taking place. Even the Egyptian Museum, which hosts some of the world’s greatest heritage, was not spared.

Vacuum of Order

Saturday was indescribable. Nothing that I write can describe the utter state of lawlessness that prevailed. Every Egyptian prison was attacked by organized groups trying to free the prisoners inside. In the case of the prisons holding regular criminals this was done by their families and friends. In the case of the prisons with the political prisoners this was done by the Islamists. Bulldozers were used in those attacks and the weapons available from the looting of police stations were available. Nearly all the prisons fell. The prison forces simply could not deal with such an onslaught and no reinforcements were available. Nearly every terrorist held in the Egyptian prisons from those that bombed the Alexandria Church less than a month ago to the Murderer of Anwar El Sadat was freed, the later reportedly being arrested again tonight.

On the streets of Cairo it was the scene of a jungle. With no law enforcement in town and the army at a loss at how to deal with it, it was the golden opportunity for everyone. In a city that is surrounded with slums, thousands of thieves fell on their neighboring richer districts. People were robbed in broad daylight, houses were invaded, and stores looted and burned. Egypt had suddenly fallen back to the State of Nature. Panicking, people started grabbing whatever weapon they could find and forming groups to protect their houses. As the day progressed the street defense committees became more organized. Every building had its men standing in front of it with everything they could find from personal guns, knives to sticks. Women started preparing Molotov bombs using alcohol bottles. Street committees started coordinating themselves. Every major crossroad had now groups of citizens stopping all passing cars checking their ID cards and searching the cars for weapons. Machine guns were in high demand and were sold in the streets.

I do not aim to turn this into a personal story, but those people are my friends and family. It is a personal story to me. My neighbors were all stationed in my father-in-law’s house with men on the roof to lookout for possible attackers. A friend of mine was shot at by a gang of thieves and another actually killed one of them to defend his house and wife. Another friend’s brother arrested 37 thieves that day. The army’s only role in all of this was to pass by each area to pick up the arrested thieves. Army officers informed the street committees that anyone with an illegal weapon should not worry and should use it. Any death of one of the thieves would not be punished.

Behind the Scenes

On the political front the story was evolving. More troops were pouring into Cairo. Mubarak decided to appoint Omar Suliman as Vice President and Ahmed Shafik as Prime Minister. Both are military men, Suliman being the Chief of the Egyptian Intelligence Service and Shafik being the former commander of the Air Forces. To understand the moves one has to understand the nature of the ruling coalition in Egypt and the role of the army in it.

The Egyptian regime has been based since 1952 on a coalition between the army and the bureaucrats. In this regard it fits perfectly into O’Donnell’s Bureaucratic Authoritarian model. The army is fully in control of both actual power and the economy. Ex-army officers are appointed to run state enterprises and high level administrative positions. More importantly the army has an enormous economic arm that runs enterprises as diverse as construction companies and food distribution chains. In the late 90’s this picture began to change.

It is no news for anyone following Egyptian politics that Gamal Mubarak, the President’s son was being groomed to follow his father. In reality, the elder Mubarak was never fully behind that scenario. Whether it was a real assessment of his son’s capabilities or of the acceptance of the army to such a scenario, Mubarak was hesitant. It was his wife who was heavily pushing that scenario. Gamal, step by step started rising inside the ruling NDP party. With him he brought two groups to the ruling coalition. First were the Western educated economic technocrats trained in international financial institutions they shared what is generally described as neo-liberal economic policies labeled the Washington Consensus. Secondly was the growing business community that was emerging in Egypt. Together they started the process of both restructuring the Egyptian economy and the ruling party.

For the technocrats it was the fiscal and economic policy that was their domain and they performed miracles. The Egyptian economy under the Nazif government showed unprecedented growth. The currency was devalued, investment was pouring in, and exports were growing. Even the economic crisis did not dramatically effect Egypt. The real disaster in all of this however is that no one actually rationalized or defended those policies to the Egyptian public. The country was moving towards a full capitalist system but no explained why that was needed or why it was ultimately beneficial. While such restructuring is naturally painful for a population that was dependent on the government for all its needs, the people were fed the same socialist rhetoric nonetheless. It mattered very little that the country was improving economically, people did not see that. It is not that the effects were not trickling down, they were. It is that the people were used to the nanny state for so many years that they could not understand why the government was no longer providing them with those services.

Businessmen greatly benefited from the economic improvement. Business was good and political aspirations started to emerge for them. First it was a Parliament seat that they desired. It offered immunity from prosecution after all. With Gamal however, they suddenly had a higher opportunity. Gamal wanted to recreate the ruling NDP party. The NDP, never actually a real party and more of a mass valueless organization of state operation was suddenly turning into a real party. Businessmen like Ahmed Ezz, the steel tycoon saw a golden opportunity. They took full control with Gamal of the party and with it power.

The army never liked Gamal or his friends. Gamal had never served in the military. To add insult to injury his friends were threatening the dominance of the army. The technocrat’s neo-liberal policies were threatening the army’s dominance of the closed economy and the party was becoming step by step an actual organization that competes with the army officers in filling administrative positions. Suddenly the doors to power in Egypt were not a military career but a party ID card. As long as the President was there however, the army was silent. The army is 100% loyal to the President. He is an October War hero and their Commander in Chief. He is seen as an Egyptian patriot by them who has served his country well. Moreover Gamal Abdel Nasser having conducted his own military coup in 1952 put mechanisms in the army to ensure that no one else would do the same and remove him.

With the unfolding events the army was finally able to put its narrative to the President and have his support behind it. The army’s narrative is that Gamal and his friends ruined it. Their neo-liberal policies alienated people and angered them with talks of subsidies removal, while his party gang destroyed the political system by aiming to crush all opposition. Mubarak in the past had mastered the art of playing the opposition. The opposition was always co-opted. Sizes in Parliament differed in various elections, but there was always a place there for the opposition. The last elections in 2010 were different. No opposition was allowed to win seats. By closing the legitimate political methods of raising grievances, the opposition chose the illegitimate ones in the form of street demonstrations.

Politics & Propaganda & People

Today the Egyptians are scared. They have been given a glimpse of hell and they don’t like what they see. Contrary to Al Jazeera’s propaganda, the Egyptian masses are not demonstrating anymore. They are protecting their homes and families. The demonstration last night had 5,000 political activists participating and not 150,000 as Al Jazeera insists. At this moment, no one outside of those political activists cares less now if the President will resign or not. They have more important concerns now; security and food.
So where are we today? Well the answer is still not clear, yet a couple of conclusions are evident.

  1. The Gamal inheritance scenario is finished.
  2. Mubarak will not run for another Presidential term. His term ends in October and either he will serve the rest of his term or will resign once things cool down for health reasons, which are real. He is dying.
  3. The army is in control now. We are heading back to the “golden age” of army rule. The “kids” are no longer in charge. The “men’ are.
  4. Until the economy fails again, the neo-liberal economic policies are over. Forget about an open economy for some time.

The State Reasserts Its Authority

Immediately the task of the army is to stabilize the situation and enforce order. The security forces have been ordered to reappear in the streets starting tonight. The next task will be to deal with the political activists and the Muslim Brotherhood which now dominates the scene. It is anyone’s guess how that will be done, but in a couple of days the Egyptians will probably be begging the army to shoot them. Third stage will be to return to normal life again with people going back to their jobs and somehow food being made available. Later on however will come the political questions.

The long term challenges are numerous. First you have a huge economic loss in terms of property destroyed. The minute the banks will be reopened, there will be a run on them and capital flight will be the key word in town. It is of course quite natural that for some time no one in his sensible mind will invest in Egypt.

Who Is In Charge?

Politically, the army will aim at returning to the pre-Gamal ruling formula. People will be appeased by raising salaries and increasing subsidies with the hope of silencing them. Will it be enough? That is doubtful. The Egyptians have realized for the first time that the regime is not as strong as it looked a week ago. If the army did not stop them, how will they ever be silenced? Moreover they are greatly empowered. Egyptians today feel pride in themselves. They have protected their neighborhoods and done what the army has failed to do. This empowerment will not be crushed easily.

Security wise the situation is a disaster. It might take months to arrest all those criminals again. Moreover no one has a clue how the weapons that were stolen will ever be collected again or how the security will ever regain its necessary respect to restore public order after it was defeated in 4 hours. More importantly, reports indicate that the borders in Gaza were open for the past few days. What exactly was transferred between Gaza and Egypt is anyone’s guess.

You seem to wonder after all of this where El Baradei and the Egyptian opposition are. CNN’s anointed leader of the Egyptian Revolution must be important to the future of Egypt. Hardly! Outside of Western media hype, El Baradei is nothing. A man that has spent less than 30 days in the past year in Egypt and hardly any time in the past 20 years is a nobody. It is entirely insulting to Egyptians to suggest otherwise. The opposition you wonder? Outside of the Muslim Brotherhood we are discussing groups that can each claim less than 5,000 actual members. With no organization, no ideas, and no leaders they are entirely irrelevant to the discussion. It is the apolitical young generation that has suddenly been transformed that is the real question here.

Aftermath

Where Egypt will go from here is an enigma. In a sense everything will be the same. The army that has ruled Egypt since 1952 will continue to rule it and the country will still suffer from a huge vacuum of ideas and real political alternatives. On the other hand, it will never be the same again. Once empowered, the Egyptians will not accept the status quo for long.

On the long run the Egyptian question remains the same. Nothing has changed in that regard. It is quite remarkable for people to be talking about the prospect for a democratic transition at this moment. A population that was convinced just two months ago that sharks in the Red Sea were implanted by the Israeli Intelligence Services is hardly at a stage of creating a liberal democracy in Egypt. But the status quo cannot be maintained. A lack of any meaningful political discourse in the country has to be addressed. Until someone actually starts addressing the real issues and stop the chatterbox of clichés on democracy, things will not get better at all. It will only get worse.
 
Re: The Egyption Revolution - The Real Story

The student seems like he's been Westernized. His preliminary analysis sounds like something Locke, Bacon, Jefferson might say. Not to challenge his account of what lead to the revolts in Egypt but they are going on in several other places so focusing on Egypt might be a mistake as well as forgetting there is a global war on terrorism going on.

It is probably in the West's and Capitalisitic societies best interest that Mubarak finds a way to stay in power. If the internet didn't play such a vital role in the uprising that could be different. But terrorist have used the web for carrying out plans from day one. It's possible that Al Qaeda or some other terrorist group is using the net to mobilize their people in various states. It is too much of a coincidence that U.S back countries are the ones being targeted and not the old Muslim regimes. So by facing down the uprising Mubarak could be doing the U.S and it's allies a favor by showing them how to counter these kind of attacks.
 
Hosni Mubarak Supporter Interrogated by Protesters

One of Mubarak's supporters exposing the corrupt regime and revealing the truth about the recent turn of event.
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Egypt's embattled President Hosni Mubarak abruptly stepped down as president, ending his 30-year-reign, and Egyptian armed forces will take over the leadership of the country, Vice President Omar Suleiman announced today.

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Egypt's hard-line Islamists speak up, creating unease





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After years of staying out of politics, Salafi religious movement is
entering the political fray as a challenger to the more moderate
Muslim Brotherhood and a concern to liberals and secularists.
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By Hannah Allam | McClatchy Newspapers


ALEXANDRIA, Egypt — At 2 a.m. on a tense night just before Egypt's
president Hosni Mubarak was toppled, Yehia el Sherif and other members
of his ad-hoc neighborhood watch group noticed a car carrying two men
with long beards approach their checkpoint in the port city of Alexandria.

The watchmen didn't order the car to stop — the men inside turned off
the engine, offered a vehicle search and presented their ID cards without
prompting, Sherif, a 21-year-old college student, recalled. After the
search, the bearded men passed out pamphlets espousing the rigid
ideology of the Salafis, an ultraconservative branch of Islam whose
literalist interpretations are anathema to Muslim moderates and liberals.


The car sped off into the night, leaving Sherif and his neighbors slack-
jawed as they realized the Salafis had engineered the episode as a
chance to proselytize — they were driving the dark and menacing streets
to spread the message that Islam was the only way out of Egypt's political
crisis.

"They knew they'd be stopped and searched and that would allow them
to give out the pamphlets, which were all about strict and stern Sharia
law," Sherif said. "That's when we thought, 'Yeah, maybe we should be
concerned.'"

Now the possibility that Salafis may enter Egypt's mainstream politics is
raising concern that their beliefs could one day become a dominating
force in life here — something that U.S. diplomats have been concerned
about for at least two years.

"Increasingly, Egyptian political elites are uneasy about the rising popular
resonance of Salafis, concerned that, although the Egyptian groups do
not currently advocate violence, their extreme interpretation of Islam
creates an environment where susceptibility to radicalism and jihadi ideas
is heightened," a U.S. diplomat wrote in a cable to the State Department
that's among the cache obtained by the WikiLeaks website.

Until the movement that toppled Mubarak, Salafis assiduously avoided
involvement in the world of secular politics. But as the anti-Mubarak
demonstrations unfolded, young Salafis, with their bushy beards and
full facial veils, became conspicuous among other activists in Cairo's
Tahrir Square, despite the reluctance of their clerics to support the
protests.

Then last month, a Salafi umbrella group in Alexandria, a stronghold of
Islamists from all ideologies, sent shockwaves throughout Egypt with
the announcement that Salafis would enter the political arena — an
abrupt reversal of the faction's longtime stance of boycotting elections
to focus on religious outreach.

Some critics argue that the Salafis are too intolerant and politically
immature to pose much of a threat at the polls, but other Egyptian
activists fear that the Salafis are aligning themselves with the more
moderate Muslim Brotherhood, and that that alliance will steamroll the
disorganized youth groups and liberals in fall parliamentary elections,
resulting in an Islamist victory.

That's the U.S. government's nightmare scenario: an Islamist-dominated
government ruling the Arab world's most populous nation, one that is
a neighbor and peace partner to Israel and the keeper of the strategically
vital Suez Canal.

It's one that alarms pro-democracy activists in Cairo, too.

They point to the results of the recent referendum on revising the
constitution of what can happen in an "Islamists vs. Everyone Else"
political climate.

The Salafis campaigned in tandem with the Muslim Brotherhood in poor
neighborhoods with religious populations, pitching a "yes" vote for
hastily drafted constitutional amendments that the pro-democracy
movement opposed.

The amendments passed with 77 percent of the vote — a victory that
one popular Salafi sheikh controversially gloated about as a "conquest
of the ballot boxes."


The YouTube video of Sheikh Mohamed Hussein Yaqoub's remarks went
viral, setting off online battles between the cleric's Salafi supporters and
Egyptian moderates who took the video as proof that Islamists were
trying to take over Egypt.

One of Yaqoub's students, Sheikh Ali Nasr, said a Saudi-style theocracy
isn't the goal. He challenged critics to listen to Salafi preachers, promising
they'd hear nothing about violence or forcing their austere brand of Islam
on other Egyptians.

"We shouldn't get ahead of ourselves and say that we want a religious
state, but I do call for a president that respects religious freedom and,
more importantly, I want the president to respect and protect our
resources and confront corruption," Nasr said.

"Islam is in the souls of the people and will be here before and after
elections, so we're not looking for a religious state as much as a just and
fair state."


There've been more signs in recent days that the Salafis and the Muslim
Brotherhood have put aside their longtime rivalry. In the past, the
Brotherhood scorned the Salafis' extremist views, while the Salafis
accused the Brotherhood of bending strict tenets to broaden the group's
popular appeal.

In the past week, however, Salafi clerics have begun urging their followers
to vote for the Brotherhood, conceding that their rivals are light-years
ahead of them in political organizing, coalition-building and media outreach.



Analysts say the Salafis realize they're in over their heads as politicians,
so their best bet is to send their legions to the Brotherhood so as not to
split the Islamist vote.

Whether that's good for the Brotherhood, which portrays itself as moderate
and non-violent in hopes of winning non-Islamists to their cause, is still to
be seen. The Salafis have a reputation as joyless religious blowhards, an
image that makes them hardly appealing to millions of Egyptians.

Already, stories of Salafi intolerance are spreading. They're accused of
torching a liquor store in the south, and of destroying a shrine of a rival
minority near Alexandria.

Salafis deny official knowledge of such attacks and say such crimes are
presented — typically with scant evidence or suspects — to feed fears
of Salafi extremism.

"We deliver our message through peaceful words of advice and guidance
and not through violent actions," said Abdullah Shakir, the head of Ansar
al Sunna, a Salafi-linked Islamic charity that operates 10 hospitals and has
240 offices across the country. "We warn people against extremism and
deliver this message through many means, including lectures, sermons and
our monthly magazine."


The Brotherhood, meanwhile, is taking steps to soften the Salafis' image,
while at the same time maintaining a certain distance.

This week, the Brotherhood reported on its website that it would broker a
reconciliation summit between the Salafis and the rival Sufi minority "to
avoid problems in Egypt that may destroy everything and everybody in the
event of an armed conflict."



After the attack on the Sufi shrine, the Brotherhood posted a condemnation
on its English-language website. But the same message didn't appear on
the Arabic version, said Rasha Mahmoud, a Salafi business owner in Cairo
who noticed the discrepancy as she surfed the web last week.

"Why make the statement in English? It's like they were trying to send a
message to the West, but didn't dare say it in their country because they'd
lose the Salafis," Mahmoud said. "And at the same time, they're coordinating
with the Salafis."


Salafis make up only a fraction of Egypt's population of 80 million, but they
have access to millions of TV viewers every day through as many as a
dozen satellite TV channels, including one in English. A Salafi-affiliated
magazine, al Tawhid, has a circulation of 50,000.

Their ability to mobilize their followers — which makes them attractive to
would-be political allies — was on display at a Cairo convention earlier
this month.

The event, organized on Facebook, drew up to 70,000 supporters who
arrived by the busload from far-flung towns. The buses, in accordance
with Salafi custom, were segregated by sex.

The convention's headliner clerics from Alexandria reiterated the stance
against violence, called for the protection of Coptic Christians and other
minorities, and urged rival political factions to reject stereotypes that
portray Salafis as violent and backward.

Still, the speeches promoting tolerance were peppered with vitriol
against "liberals, communists and socialists," who were described as enemies
of Islam. And some clerics again referred to the referendum as a victory
for Islamists, even though many Egyptians say they voted for the
amendments out of a desire for stability and a quick end to military rule.

"What happened during the constitutional referendum proves that this is
an Islamic state," Sheikh Said Abdel Azim, a prominent preacher, told the
crowds. With only 41 percent turnout achieving this result, he said, "you
can imagine how it would be if the whole community came out to vote."

(McClatchy special correspondents Mohannad Sabry and Arwa Ibrahim
contributed to this story from Cairo.)






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Egypt unrest: Protesters gather for Tahrir Square rally

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Ousted Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak sentenced to life in prison over protester de

Ousted Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak sentenced to life in prison over protester deaths


Former leader suffered "health crisis" en route to Cairo prison

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Ousted Egyptian leader Hosni Mubarak was sentenced to life in prison for failing to stop the killing of protesters during the Arab Spring.



Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, who ruled his country with an iron first for three decades, was sentenced Saturday to life in prison.

Mubarak, 84, frowned when the verdict was announced, his eyes hidden behind sunglasses as he lay on a gurney.

He then suffered what Egyptian television deemed “a health crisis” — possibly a heart attack — while being flown from a military hospital to a Cairo prison. It was not immediately clear where he was being treated.

The verdict culminates 16 months of upheaval for Egypt, which captured the world’s attention with massive protests in Tahir Square, the iconic heart of the movement.

Mubarak, a former military commander, assumed power in 1981 after the assassination of President Anwar El Sadat. He is now the second Arab leader convicted since a wave of uprisings swung through the region a year ago.

Tunisia’s Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali was convicted in absentia last year. Other despots, like Libya’s Muammar Gaddafi, were removed by violence and even killed.

Mubarak, who resigned in February 2011, was found guilty of failing to stop the killing of more than 900 protestors during the Arab Spring.

But the court handed down a mixed verdict, acquitting the deposed president and his sons — heir apparent Gamal and businessman Alaa — of corruption charges.

Before handing down the sentences, Judge Ahmed Rifaat denounced Mubarak’s reign, deeming it “30 years of darkness” and “a darkened nightmare” that ended only when Egyptians rose up to protest.

“They peacefully demanded democracy from rulers who held a tight grip on power,” the judge said about last year’s uprisings.

The corruption acquittals sparked anger in the courtroom, and lawyers for the victims’ families began to denounce the judge.

“The people want to cleanse the judiciary,” they chanted. A few raised banners that read: “God’s verdict is execution.”

Thousands of riot police swarmed the square outside the courtroom and clashed with protestors. Later, hundreds of people swarmed Tahir Square for a gathering that was part protest, part celebration.

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Egypt awaits presidential election results

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Re: Egypt awaits presidential election results


The warning came as at least three people - including
a US citizen - died in clashes between supporters and
opponents of President Mohammed Morsi.

Tensions have been rising ahead of a mass rally planned by
the opposition on Sunday to demand Mr Morsi steps down.​


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The Muslim Brotherhood's goal for Egypt has not changed since the 1950's - 1960's. They want Egypt to go back to the year 1000 A.D.

Morsi was packing all the Egyptian ministries (health, education, tourism, etc.) with hard line theocratic muslim brotherhood people who all put ancient religious beliefs ahead of the creation of a modern nation-state that can interface & function effectively with the outside world. Unlike Saudi Arabia which has it's people living in the year 1000 A.D. Egypt has no hundreds-of-billions of dollars of oil money to use to placate $$$$$ their population to accept buffoonery such as women not being allowed to drive, no alcohol, no-porn, no western music, segregated education for boys & girls, etc. The Egyptian military saw where Morsi was taking the country and they said NO, and they took him out.

The video below from the late 1950's which features former Egyptian leader Nasser explaining the ignorance and stupidity of the Muslim Brotherhood. The english subtitles are in yellow at the top of the video. Listen to what Nasser said about the muslim brotherhood in the 1950's, they haven't changed.


 
Al Qaeda leader tells Mursi supporters democracy not the way

Al Qaeda leader tells Mursi supporters democracy not the way
Reuters
Sat, Aug 3, 2013

ABU DHABI (Reuters) - Al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahri urged Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood and its supporters to abandon democracy and seek to govern through the full implementation of Islamic law.

In a 15-minute recording posted on Islamist websites on Saturday, Zawahri also criticised Islamists who had formed political parties in Egypt and supported the Egyptian military in ousting former Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi.

"I give this piece of advice to whoever supported Mursi and I tell them first we have to admit that legitimacy doesn't lie in elections and democracy but it lies in Sharia," Zawahri said.

"Sharia is not electing Mursi president of a republic, a president of a secular and nationalistic state," he added.

The recording, posted two days after U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry gave his seal of approval to Egypt's new leaders saying that they had restored democracy, also lashed out against U.S. policy and the Egyptian army.

"The crusaders, the secularists, the pro-U.S. army and former Mubarak supporters and a few of those who are linked to the Islamists have worked with Gulf money and U.S. planning to overthrow Mohamed Mursi's government," Zawahri said.

More than 300 people have been killed in Egypt since the army removed Mursi and his Muslim Brotherhood from power on July 3 in response to mass protests against his rule.

The popular mood in Egypt had swung against the Brotherhood after Mursi was accused of trying to establish himself as a new dictator during his first year in office.

Pro-Mursi supporters have been staging two main sit-ins in Cairo since his ouster asking to bring him back to power.

"What has happened is the greatest evidence that taking democracy as a path to Islamic rule has failed," Zawahri said.

http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaeda-leader-tells-mursi-supporters-democracy-not-074315604.html
 
Why The U.S. Keeps Sending Weapons To Egypt

Why The U.S. Keeps Sending Weapons To Egypt (13:07)
August 23, 201310:04 PM

As the Egyptian military cracked down on protesters last week, U.S.-made Apache helicopters flew overhead. The Egyptian military also uses American made tanks, fighter jets and bullets.

This is the product of the $1.3 billion in military aid the U.S. provides to Egypt every year. In polls, a majority of Egyptians say they want that aid to end. And it's become unpopular among some powerful Americans as well. Yet, so far, the aid hasn't stopped flowing.

On today's show: Why it's so hard for the U.S. to stop sending military aid to Egypt.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013...82-why-the-u-s-keeps-sending-weapons-to-egypt
 
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