Dr. Umar Johnson Vs. the State of PA Board of Psychology

[respiration]

If Umar was prescribing psych drugs for young
.god's aka young "black" children to get

Hooked on instead of speaking out against it...

He would be flourishing financially and in positive notoriety.


Only coons and flakey gullible ass fucks don't realize this

You know what, Brother? Upon reflection, I don't think this is something that can be simplified that easily - as far as labelling his critics goes. Umar Johnson is a duality. He is plainly and simply a brilliant man. He's one of the best speakers I've seen in my lifetime. He has the ability to speak words that inspire, that raise consciousness and pride in one's Blackness, and he does that for many.

On the other hand, he's repeatedly shown himself to be disingenuous, childish, arrogant, narcissistic, thin-skinned, vindictive and immature and a blame-shifter. He also just might possibly be a swindler. These are qualities that are terrible for a leader.

His arrogance in adorning himself with self-congratulatory labels is divisive. It puts up walls of separation between himself and many others who do the work. One's good work speaks for itself. Most people don't like a pompous ass as a co-worker (in the struggle).

Everyone is flawed. No one is perfect, granted. But we have others in a leadership capacity who don't have that public persona and have not earned that kind of narcissistic, vindictive, childish reputation who are out there DOING for our people, and aren't seeking acclaim for the things they do. If some of us prefer not to accept Umar as OUR leader because we find him to be untrustworthy and a loose cannon, there's nothing wrong with that. He is not the last nor only hope for Black folks, regardless of how he promotes himself.

It doesn't mean that all who don't care for him want to see him fail miserably. I think this #delicensingparty bullshit is terrible. It's cruel, hateful and evil.

Whether I agree with Umar or not, he is my brother. He is our brother. I don't hate him. I don't want to see him fail. I'd wager most who are not into him agree with me on this. We want to see him do better. We want to see him purport himself in a more mature and responsible fashion. We want him to accept and admit to his imperfection and simply own up to it when he's fucked up - without blaming others for HIS negative actions. Own up to it. Atone. Do better. Be transparent. Build. Coalesce. Who couldn't respect that?

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

You know what, Brother? Upon reflection, I don't think this is something that can be simplified that easily - as far as labelling his critics goes. Umar Johnson is a duality. He is plainly and simply a brilliant man. He's one of the best speakers I've seen in my lifetime. He has the ability to speak words that inspire, that raise consciousness and pride in one's Blackness, and he does that for many.

On the other hand, he's repeatedly shown himself to be disingenuous, childish, arrogant, narcissistic, thin-skinned, vindictive and immature and a blame-shifter. He also just might possibly be a swindler. These are qualities that are terrible for a leader.

His arrogance in adorning himself with self-congratulatory labels is divisive. It puts up walls of separation between himself and many others who do the work. One's good work speaks for itself. Most people don't like a pompous ass as a co-worker (in the struggle).

Everyone is flawed. No one is perfect, granted. But we have others in a leadership capacity who don't have that public persona and have not earned that kind of reputation who are out there DOING for our people, and aren't seeking acclaim for the things they do. If some of us prefer not to accept Umar as OUR leader because we find him to be untrustworthy and a loose cannon, there's nothing wrong with that. He is not the last nor only hope for Black folks, regardless of how he promotes himself.

It doesn't mean that all who don't care for him want to see him fail miserably. I think this #delicensingparty bullshit is terrible. It's cruel, hateful and evil.

Whether I agree with Umar or not, he is my brother. He is our brother. I don't hate him. I don't want to see him fail. I'd wager most who are not into him agree with me on this. We want to see him do better. We want to see him purport himself in a more mature and responsible fashion. We want him to accept and admit to his imperfection and simply own up to it when he's fucked up - without blaming others for HIS negative actions. Own up to it. Atone. Do better. Be transparent. Who couldn't respect that?

like you stated nobody is perfect, and I think the problem is too many of us are looking for leaders to lead and not brothers

to walk along side with....

that being said..

I would walk along side any bruh tryin to make a better way for our youth especially our young men..

that being said..

doesnt this prove he was right all along

about his credentials tho?

I havent read all the way through nor watched any of the videos yet..

 

[Better]

like you stated nobody is perfect, and I think the problem is too many of us are looking for leaders to lead and not brothers and

to walk along side with....

that being said..an I would walk along side any bruh tryin to make a better way for our youth especially our young men..

that being said..

doesnt this prove he was right all along about his credentials tho?

I havent read all the way through nor watched any of the videos yet..

I checked for it, but never got a conclusive answer.

Boyce is a hater, but he did make a good point about people with Umar's type ego. Questioning if he really has a doctorate, would swiftly been met with a slap in the face with his degree. I see the same as these dudes on BGOL who won't do hand verifications. How can you possibly be that adamant against posting a pic of your hand to shut everybody the fuck up? You rather have people doubt your blackness? I took pride in proving I was black - which is why I did it so many times.

Similarly, someone who has to work as hard as PhD's ... would certainly take pride in shutting down someone who questioned their credentials.

 

[respiration]

like you stated nobody is perfect, and I think the problem is too many of us are looking for leaders to lead and not brothers and

to walk along side with....

that being said..an I would walk along side any bruh tryin to make a better way for our youth especially our young men..

that being said..

doesnt this prove he was right all along about his credentials tho?

I havent read all the way through nor watched any of the videos yet..

Family, I agree with you about almost all you just said.

My personal issue is that I don't know if he can be trusted. The lack of transparency and hostility he's displayed around money for the school, an organizational structure and a business plan is suspect. The way his story keeps changing is suspect. The number of schools he wants to put up changes from conversation to conversation. He reached one financial goal he set out to reach, then he turns around and the amount needed is more before he can start work putting up a school. The amount of money he claims to have collected has changed. Only $400,000 collected in over five plus years of fundraising? I don't believe that. It's been more than five years. How long before something tangible materializes?

This is very important because if he's just in it for money, then that means all the inspiring pro-Black talk was just a sham for him to get people to empty their wallets.

 

[cashwhisperer]

The level of disagreement I have with his statement is pretty astounding.

How so?

 

[4 Dimensional]

How so?

Because how he defines coon and how I define coon would likely be different and neither him or I have authority over which definition should be set.

It's semantics, hence why I strongly disagree on being called a coon because I live under a system of white supremacy.

There is no one set definition of coon. If he has a definition for it and used it in a particular context, I would still disagree with him; however; I would understand his context.

 

[cocobeauty]

I think Umar is highly intelligent, and one of the best speakers I've ever heard ...

...but you don't get to belittle me for what I'm doing, if you're going to create blogs talking like you're Booker T the wrestler.

Dude is a damn egomaniac, and I don't think it is debatable. Don't mean he has no value, but it is easy to put down people because of their perceived flaws, but then get sensitive when people highlight yours.

That's the part I don't get about Umar.

He clearly takes joy and pride in belittleing black people.

I don't understand why he makes that part of his platform.

Maybe it shouldn't be, but that right there is a deal breaker for me.

I don't question his motives, the work he puts in, his goals... but on a personal level I would never deal with him or recommend others to.

I agree with both of you. As much as I respect him, it seems lately he's at an all time high of disrespecting our people. I watched him over the last week or so on IG and I was a bit disappointed.

 

[ShortyCumStain]

Hashtag was most likely started by a black feminist or a white man.

I'd say one of those pseudo feminists. Either that, or a homosexual male.

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

Family, I agree with you about almost all you just said.

My personal issue is that I don't know if he can be trusted. The lack of transparency and hostility he's displayed around money for the school, an organizational structure and a business plan is suspect. The way his story keeps changing is suspect. The number of schools he wants to put up changes from conversation to conversation. He reached one financial goal he set out to reach, then he turns around and the amount needed is more before he can start work putting up a school. The amount of money he claims to have collected has changed. Only $400,000 collected in over five plus years of fundraising? I don't believe that. It's been more than five years. How long before something tangible materializes?

This is very important because if he's just in it for money, then that means all the inspiring pro-Black talk was just a sham for him to get people to empty their wallets.

I havent really followed him like that, and while I do support his motive...

I personally would wait to donate untill I actually saw him ready to make moves, untill I actually seen the young men he was talkin attending class..

from what I understand he was ready to purchase one school and at the last minute the seller changed their minds..

now that can easily be confirmed or denied .....


I just think the fact cacs got involved proves he was some kind of threat.

funny how they aint come after him untill after he was on that news one show and called folks coons...

somebody pulled some strings...to shut him down...

I still would trust him over most cacs that just want to dimiss the majority of our youth..

 

[doe moe]

 

[cashwhisperer]

Because how he defines coon and how I define coon would likely be different and neither him or I have authority over which definition should be set.

It's semantics, hence why I strongly disagree on being called a coon because I live under a system of white supremacy.

There is no one set definition of coon. If he has a definition for it and used it in a particular context, I would still disagree with him; however; I would understand his context.

Well, he's coming from the standpoint that we all contribute to the system of white supremacy either directly or indirectly. So who are you (or any black person) to call another black person a coon? It's hypocrisy.

A codified response to a person you regard as a coon is "Victim's Guaranteed Qualifications" aka VGQ aka "he said what he said". But to resort to name-calling gets us nowhere as a people. Personally, I think calling a person a coon probably only helps to make them a bigger coon. There has to be wisdom in how you interact with them.

 

[4 Dimensional]

Well, he's coming from the standpoint that we all contribute to the system of white supremacy either directly or indirectly. So who are you (or any black person) to call another black person a coon? It's hypocrisy.

A codified response to a person you regard as a coon is "Victim's Guaranteed Qualifications" aka VGQ aka "he said what he said". But to resort to name-calling gets us nowhere as a people. Personally, I think calling a person a coon probably only helps to make them a bigger coon. There has to be wisdom in how you interact with them.

Yes we directly or indirectly contribute to the system, but that doesn't make us a coon considering the many factors we have to include.

Even on code, there still have to be some agreement on how it's used and VGQ is something that could get lost in interpretation as well.

 

[BKF]

I checked for it, but never got a conclusive answer.

Boyce is a hater, but he did make a good point about people with Umar's type ego. Questioning if he really has a doctorate, would swiftly been met with a slap in the face with his degree. I see the same as these dudes on BGOL who won't do hand verifications. How can you possibly be that adamant against posting a pic of your hand to shut everybody the fuck up? You rather have people doubt your blackness? I took pride in proving I was black - which is why I did it so many times.

Similarly, someone who has to work as hard as PhD's ... would certainly take pride in shutting down someone who questioned their credentials.

I disagree. If you don't feel like you need to (just because people want you to) show your credentials or whatever. Why would you?
For some of us you can either take it or leave it but you will not force me to do what I do not want nor need to do.

 

[respiration]

I havent really followed him like that, and while I do support his motive...

I personally would wait to donate untill I actually saw him ready to make moves, untill I actually seen the young men he was talkin attending class..

from what I understand he was ready to purchase one school and at the last minute the seller changed their minds..

now that can easily be confirmed or denied .....


I just think the fact cacs got involved proves he was some kind of threat.

funny how they aint come after him untill after he was on that news one show and called folks coons...

somebody pulled some strings...to shut him down...

I still would trust him over most cacs that just want to dimiss the majority of our youth..

See this is the other thing. We really don't know what the facts are in this current situation. We know that Umar says it's the fault of "coons". OK but which ones? Who? What faction? Where's the proof?

Bruh, I think it's easy for us to say that cacs in power are coming after him because they see him as a threat. I'd have to disagree with that though. The ones historically that were seen threats (and were treated as such) have been those who had something tangible to show that threatened to upset the balance of the System. For example, Dr. King had already led a bus boycott in Montgomery that resulted in the desegregation of Montgomery's buses. He then took that victory and organized many other folks to desegregate the whole South. They were ACTIVE, they disrupted things to achieve the goal and they were relentless.

Schwerner, Goodman and Cheney were murdered because they were part of a group ACTIVELY dedicated to getting Black folks the right to vote. Stokely Carmichael organized scores of students to go down South and ensure that Black folks were able to actually vote under the new Voting Rights Act, without the interference and intimidation of racist cacs. The Black Panthers implemented armed patrols against police brutality, held political education classes, set up free breakfast programs for school kids and created the first free medical clinics in the hood. They were an ACTIVE threat on multiple levels. Chairman Fred Hampton was murdered in Chicago. Other Panther leaders were imprisoned on trumped up charges. Malcolm X started the OAAU to unite with African leaders to deal with our shared problem of the white man (white supremacy and terrorism in our case and colonialism and apartheid. in theirs). This is what he was ACTIVELY involved in when he was killed.

All of the above - Martin, Malcolm, Fred Hampton were dynamic speakers who raised Black pride and consciousness. But they also all had actual movements behind their rhetoric and each had something to show beyond words.

Today the Black Lives Matter organization are the ones the powers that be see as a threat. That's why they are jockeying to get them officially recognized as a terrorist organization.

Umar's primary claim to fame has been his lectures, his books and the unfulfilled promise of a school. I'm not gonna say that the powers that be are above acting to shut him down. But I would say that what he has actively and verifiably engaged in is not on the same level as the examples above. From a practical perspective, if no one has been taking to the streets, disrupting things, demanding change or creating tangible change on a mass level as a direct result of Umar's efforts, then he is not a high value target.

The first thing you said I agree with. It seems foolish to me to just give someone money without seeing some accounting of how that money is being used toward the stated goal - especially 5 years in. Seems to me, one would do better to support an existing Black-centered school or schools.

 

[cashwhisperer]

Yes we directly or indirectly contribute to the system, but that doesn't make us a coon considering the many factors we have to include.

Even on code, there still have to be some agreement on how it's used and VGQ is something that could get lost in interpretation as well.

Well, if we're on code, we refrain from using the term (coon) at all.

I don't see how VGQ can get lost in interpretation because it can be used as response to someone saying some coonish shit. The point is to hear what a person says and if you don't like it, say "vgq" and keep it moving.

Hell, a "coon" might not like what you say either and say VGQ to you. The goal is to minimize infighting and stay focused on fighting the system of white supremacy instead of each other.

You're talking about various factors, but I'm sure there are some more militant niggas that would consider you a coon. All it does is create confusion amongst us which is one of the main goals of white supremacy.

 

[Better]

I disagree. If you don't feel like you need to (just because people want you to) show your credentials or whatever. Why would you?
For some of us you can either take it or leave it but you will not force me to do what I do not want nor need to do.

You mean to tell me, the guy who refers to himself as 'The Prince Of Pan Afrikanism' and 'King Kong of Consciousness' is ABOVE shutting his haters the fuck up?

Dude will claim to be related to Frederick Douglas - which has nothing to do with nothing, and the family has denied it - but you're just so ABOVE proving your haters wrong?

It is just unbelievable to believe someone as self-aggrandizing as Umar would not gladly shut his critics the fuck up for questioning him in that regard.

 

[respiration]

I disagree. If you don't feel like you need to (just because people want you to) show your credentials or whatever. Why would you?
For some of us you can either take it or leave it but you will not force me to do what I do not want nor need to do.

Because if you don't, it looks like you have something to hide. Transparency is an essential component to being trustworthy. If I want people to listen to what I have to say, I want them to be assured that I am who I say I am. This should transcend pride. Pride ain't shit.

 

[4 Dimensional]

Well, if we're on code, we refrain from using the term (coon) at all.

I don't see how VGQ can get lost in interpretation because it can be used as response to someone saying some coonish shit. The point is to hear what a person says and if you don't like it, say "vgq" and keep it moving.

Hell, a "coon" might not like what you say either and say VGQ to you. The goal is to minimize infighting and stay focused on fighting the system of white supremacy instead of each other.

You're talking about various factors, but I'm sure there are some more militant niggas that would consider you a coon. All it does is create confusion amongst us which is one of the main goals of white supremacy.

It can get lost in translation because we expect us to understand it the same way. You'd have to get qualifing factors to establish was is and what isn't a person that is VGQ when your labeling some one.

I'm not for calling someone a coon unless it fits my understanding of it, which is very rare overall now of days.

But one thing I do acknowledge is that black folk are more different than we like to acknowledge at times, which causes our thinking to be different.

But I get your point. Whatever we have to do to minimize infighting. But I'm generally critical when it comes to labeling humans. At least that's my intentions most of the time. I am guilty of my own hypocrisy when trying to understand a thing.

 

[AllUniverse17]

What ive come to understand is that this move was a long time coming.

The LGBT community is basically challenging the board that they cant certify someone with the "anti-gay" views that he has and uses in his work.

For example, he uses the term "sexually confused" instead of gay. He said he wouldnt hire gay people to work for him. He said no black children are born gay. So on and so forth.

So they coming after him based on that.

 

[cashwhisperer]

It can get lost in translation because we expect us to understand it the same way. You'd have to get qualifing factors to establish was is and what isn't a person that is VGQ when your labeling some one.

I'm not for calling someone a coon unless it fits my understanding of it, which is very rare overall now of days.

But one thing I do acknowledge is that black folk are more different than we like to acknowledge at times, which causes our thinking to be different.

But I get your point. Whatever we have to do to minimize infighting. But I'm generally critical when it comes to labeling humans. At least that's my intentions most of the time. I'm am guilty of my own hypocrisy when trying to understand a thing.

To be clear, what Fuller means is that a vitcim of white supremacy has a guaranteed qualification to express his viewpoint on the system whether it's unfavorable or favorable to you. When Larry Elder gets to flapping his gums I just acknowledge his vgq and keep it moving, instead of arguing with his dumbass.

 

[respiration]

What ive come to understand is that this move was a long time coming.

The LGBT community is basically challenging the board that they cant certify someone with the "anti-gay" views that he has and uses in his work.

For example, he uses the term "sexually confused" instead of gay. He said he wouldnt hire gay people to work for him. He said no black children are born gay. So on and so forth.

So they coming after him based on that.

Good info. Where did you hear that?

 

[4 Dimensional]

To be clear, what Fuller means is that a vitcim of white supremacy has a guaranteed qualification to express his viewpoint on the system whether it's unfavorable or favorable to you. When Larry Elder gets to flapping his gums I just acknowledge his vgq and keep it moving, instead of arguing with his dumbass.

basically.

That's a level we definitely shouldnt waste energy on.

 

[Better]

But one thing I do acknowledge is that black folk are more different than we like to acknowledge at times, which causes our thinking to be different.

We struggle with this as a community.

For an example, the brokest, broken English speaking redneck is considered white, just as much as the most blue blooded CAC.

We actually denigrate blacks that were born upper-class, and have no obvious black cultural influences.

Hell, the first season or two of Fresh Prince was built around this. At least when it came to Carlton and Will.

 

[4 Dimensional]

We struggle with this as a community.

For an example, the brokest, broken English speaking redneck is considered white, just as much as the most blue blooded CAC.

We actually denigrate blacks that were born upper-class, and have no obvious black cultural influences.

Hell, the first season or two of Fresh Prince was built around this. At least when it came to Carlton and Will.

Indeed. This is a very big struggle and one we need to work on more.

We are so different within our community. We grow up differently. A kat from NY isn't the same as one from a small town in the south. Only thing they share is race. But our societal experience is going to be different.

 

[big pimp]

That's sad ass fuck. But niggas are niggas.

YEP!

 

[big pimp]

Boyce Watkins gave that one chic a platform to shit on Umar some time ago and he been catching hell ever since...I like Boyce but he does some simpish stuff at times

Boyce be on some sucka shit. That nigga is a ripoff with his bullshit info. Boyce aint trying to help build a black school.

 

[big pimp]

Boyce does sucker shit everytime Umars in a jam.

Boyce is a bitchass nigga that fraud.

 

[AllUniverse17]

Good info. Where did you hear that?

Thats what im getting from the twitter comments that are both for and against his "trial".

 

[respiration]

Thats what im getting from the twitter comments that are both for and against his "trial".

These MF's. What's to be for or against? Part of me feels like just let the man breathe and deal with his issue without interference.

Then I remember that Umar is the one who made brought it to all our attention.

I don't really have a dog in this particular race. If what you shared is actually the case, I don't disagree with much of Umar's stance. However, in today's climate I can see how his being a psychologist - particularly a child psychologist and espousing those viewpoints would lead to something like what's happening now.

 

[WattDogs]

You want to know the truly sad part of all this? It shows our weakness to the entire world, again & again.

It shows that transient groups like the LGQBT community have more strength in numbers & more pull than we've ever amassed in all these decades of civil rights.

It shows that we are so scattered as a people that we can't do anything towards someone speaking on our behalf. Hate him or love him, he's still speaking out for you.

And the really sad part is...this court case (which will probably be the first out of many...people get courage once they see someone else throw a rock) would easily show you if Dr. Umar is what he say he is or a total fraud.

But...we have no news stations, news shows or even news reporters that speak or work with an African-minded perspective....so, you gonna get what the white man decides to let you know.

Just a damn shame all around.....

 

[The Plutonian]

You mean to tell me, the guy who refers to himself as 'The Prince Of Pan Afrikanism' and 'King Kong of Consciousness' is ABOVE shutting his haters the fuck up?

Dude will claim to be related to Frederick Douglas - which has nothing to do with nothing, and the family has denied it - but you're just so ABOVE proving your haters wrong?

It is just unbelievable to believe someone as self-aggrandizing as Umar would not gladly shut his critics the fuck up for questioning him in that regard.

That’s what I don’t understand. Such self absorbed praise yet nothing tangible for all that boasting and bravado. Just show what your actions are, what moves you’ve made and how you’re going from point A to B to make the school a reality. Obviously somebody believes in what you’ve said but instead of appeasing you inflame and make the situation worse by not exhibiting any type of humbleness to the donators. Man some of those people are broke but believe in the cause so passionately they’ve given their last to help fund this make believe school.

 

[playahaitian]

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[cashwhisperer]

Boyce be on some sucka shit. That nigga is a ripoff with his bullshit info. Boyce aint trying to help build a black school.

Actually, Boyce has his own school already.

 

[respiration]

That’s what I don’t understand. Such self absorbed praise yet nothing tangible for all that boasting and bravado. Just show what your actions are, what moves you’ve made and how you’re going from point A to B to make the school a reality. Obviously somebody believes in what you’ve said but instead of appeasing you inflame and make the situation worse by not exhibiting any type of humbleness to the donators. Man some of those people are broke but believe in the cause so passionately they’ve given their last to help fund this make believe school.

That's terribly sad and enraging at the same time. Umar in so many ways puts me in mind of a cult leader.

......

"Having studied at length the life, teachings, and behaviors of Jim Jones (Jonestown Guyana), David Koresh (Branch Davidians), Stewart Traill (The Church of Bible Understanding), Charles Manson, Shoko Asahara (Aum Shinrikyo), Joseph Di Mambro (The Order of the Solar Temple aka Ordre du Temple Solaire), Marshall Heff Applewhit (Heaven’s Gate), Bhagwan Rajneesh (Rajneesh Movement), and Warren Jeffs (polygamist leader),

what stands out about these individuals is that
they were or are all pathologically narcissistic.
They all have or had an over-abundant belief that they were special,
that they and they alone had the answers to problems,
and that they had to be revered.
They demanded perfect loyalty from followers,
they overvalued themselves and devalued those around them,
they were intolerant of criticism,
and above all they did not like being questioned or challenged.

And yet, in spite of these less than charming traits, they had no trouble attracting those who were willing to overlook these features."

- from: Dangerous Cult Leaders - Dangerous Traits of Cult Leaders
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/spycatcher/201208/dangerous-cult-leaders

 

[sharkbait28]

You know what, Brother? Upon reflection, I don't think this is something that can be simplified that easily - as far as labelling his critics goes. Umar Johnson is a duality. He is plainly and simply a brilliant man. He's one of the best speakers I've seen in my lifetime. He has the ability to speak words that inspire, that raise consciousness and pride in one's Blackness, and he does that for many.

On the other hand, he's repeatedly shown himself to be disingenuous, childish, arrogant, narcissistic, thin-skinned, vindictive and immature and a blame-shifter. He also just might possibly be a swindler. These are qualities that are terrible for a leader.

His arrogance in adorning himself with self-congratulatory labels is divisive. It puts up walls of separation between himself and many others who do the work. One's good work speaks for itself. Most people don't like a pompous ass as a co-worker (in the struggle).

Everyone is flawed. No one is perfect, granted. But we have others in a leadership capacity who don't have that public persona and have not earned that kind of narcissistic, vindictive, childish reputation who are out there DOING for our people, and aren't seeking acclaim for the things they do. If some of us prefer not to accept Umar as OUR leader because we find him to be untrustworthy and a loose cannon, there's nothing wrong with that. He is not the last nor only hope for Black folks, regardless of how he promotes himself.

It doesn't mean that all who don't care for him want to see him fail miserably. I think this #delicensingparty bullshit is terrible. It's cruel, hateful and evil.

Whether I agree with Umar or not, he is my brother. He is our brother. I don't hate him. I don't want to see him fail. I'd wager most who are not into him agree with me on this. We want to see him do better. We want to see him purport himself in a more mature and responsible fashion. We want him to accept and admit to his imperfection and simply own up to it when he's fucked up - without blaming others for HIS negative actions. Own up to it. Atone. Do better. Be transparent. Build. Coalesce. Who couldn't respect that?

Goddamn, I appreciate the adults on BGOL so much. Respect bruh