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Double Standard? Hopkins Praised, Pacquiao Smeared
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Is this about roids?
On a sidenote.....BHOP won that fight. I think after seeing him in he later career I think you have to say his is top 20 modern fighter. Modern for me is 70's to present.
On a sidenote.....BHOP won that fight. I think after seeing him in he later career I think you have to say his is top 20 modern fighter. Modern for me is 70's to present.
I'm getting a 404 on this one.
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=34251
By Michael Marley
If Bernard Hopkins needed a male cheerleader, I would be among the first to apply.
Give me the sweater with the “BH” logo and a couple of pom poms and I will wave them proudly and loudly.
I'd even light the bonfire for the prefight rally, all for the about to turn age 46 (January 15) Philadelphia slickster.
Which brings me to Floyd Mayweather Sr., who is still spouting his “Manny Pacquiao is a drug cheater” line of patter. I don't know if Papa Floyd's spew is an example of reverse racism directed at one particular Pinoy Idol but I don't see Mayweather Pere barking about any other prominent fighter including Hopkins.
Meanwhile, Hopkins crows, and rightfully so, about his convincing performance against Jean Pascal, which should've wound up as a title-winning victory for the Pennsylvanian but for an inexplicable 10-10 even round marking by Belgian Waffler judge Daniel Van de Wiele.
"It was a perfect fight for a senior citizen. I set a profound bar and statement. I beat Pascal. If I got the decision, you wouldn't be saying Pascal got robbed. Somebody had to be fighting their ass off to come from two knock-downs, fighting a Canadian in Canada and get a draw. I fought my heart out. I got up off the canvas and fought a champion's fight," Hopkins said.
"I had the young guy running, holding on. Pascal knew he was in a fight. He knew he had to run to save his life and save that belt, because I was on him. A young guy running from an old grandpa. I can still beat these guys, and beat them impressively. You saw me taking him to school."
Now my personal opinion is that Hopkins proficiency at his ripe old age, as recently demonstrated when he got up off the floor twice to “beat” 28 year old Pascal, is due to clean living, good genes and his constant study of his chosen profession.
Like him or loathe him, as many in the fight game do loathe him, the man put the "d" in dedication to his craft.
Let me repeat, lest anyone get it twisted, I believe that, when it comes to illegal additives, that Hopkins is as clean as the proverbial whistle.
But the question before the jury is not whether Hopkins cheats but why no one even questions his achievememnts with four and half decades of living behind him?
In other words, why does Hopkins get a free pass and why is Pacman still the Number 1 suspect on the drug cheating list in some suspicious minds?
You have one guy in his physical prime, and at age 32 he is 14 years younger than the ex-middleweight champion, and another is in his dotage.
But when Hopkins exposes Pascal, and he certainly did that in La Belle Provence, no red lights, no alarm bells, no nothing as to even the remote possibility that Bernie might be getting by with a little help from some pharmaceutical pals?
The Pacquiao Double Standard will be with us, like a plague, through the rest of Manny's career and into his retirement from the ring years, unfortunately. That's just the way it is.
(A quick note - if you accuse Pacquiao of fighting handpicked foes, and this criticism often rings true, then what about how carefully Hopkins picks vulnerable foes. Why is he is not banging the drum to fight Lucian Bute or Andre Ward?
When BHop handpicks an guy he believes he will beat, he's a wise, old owl. When Pacquiao (and Boss Arum) do it, it's a con job, an insult to the boxing consumer? Yes, this poison arrow is directed at you, venonmous Examiner Brother Ricardo Lois in La La Land.)
I don't think Floyd's father is actually racist, either, I believe he just has a blind spot, an ego that has been damaged much like his son's as Pacquiao becomes more popular and continues to be wildly successful in the ring and out.
Again, I would never accuse Hopkins or any other superstar fighter of such dirty dealings sans proof.
But, then again, I never saw anyone accuse Mr. Mosley when he was picking up his BALCO packages and Mosley was another boxer then in his prime time years.
Instead, my question is why Hopkins and others get a free pass while Pacquiao is guilty until proven not guilty in the minds of many, including some people who are thought to be much more intelligent than “Roads Scholar” Mayweather Sr?
Keep in mind, as I stated earlier, I would sign up for the Hopkins Pep Squad in a heartbeat.
If there is an explanation other than racism and jealousy, always a toxic mixture, then I'm all ears.
By Michael Marley
If Bernard Hopkins needed a male cheerleader, I would be among the first to apply.
Give me the sweater with the “BH” logo and a couple of pom poms and I will wave them proudly and loudly.
I'd even light the bonfire for the prefight rally, all for the about to turn age 46 (January 15) Philadelphia slickster.
Which brings me to Floyd Mayweather Sr., who is still spouting his “Manny Pacquiao is a drug cheater” line of patter. I don't know if Papa Floyd's spew is an example of reverse racism directed at one particular Pinoy Idol but I don't see Mayweather Pere barking about any other prominent fighter including Hopkins.
Meanwhile, Hopkins crows, and rightfully so, about his convincing performance against Jean Pascal, which should've wound up as a title-winning victory for the Pennsylvanian but for an inexplicable 10-10 even round marking by Belgian Waffler judge Daniel Van de Wiele.
"It was a perfect fight for a senior citizen. I set a profound bar and statement. I beat Pascal. If I got the decision, you wouldn't be saying Pascal got robbed. Somebody had to be fighting their ass off to come from two knock-downs, fighting a Canadian in Canada and get a draw. I fought my heart out. I got up off the canvas and fought a champion's fight," Hopkins said.
"I had the young guy running, holding on. Pascal knew he was in a fight. He knew he had to run to save his life and save that belt, because I was on him. A young guy running from an old grandpa. I can still beat these guys, and beat them impressively. You saw me taking him to school."
Now my personal opinion is that Hopkins proficiency at his ripe old age, as recently demonstrated when he got up off the floor twice to “beat” 28 year old Pascal, is due to clean living, good genes and his constant study of his chosen profession.
Like him or loathe him, as many in the fight game do loathe him, the man put the "d" in dedication to his craft.
Let me repeat, lest anyone get it twisted, I believe that, when it comes to illegal additives, that Hopkins is as clean as the proverbial whistle.
But the question before the jury is not whether Hopkins cheats but why no one even questions his achievememnts with four and half decades of living behind him?
In other words, why does Hopkins get a free pass and why is Pacman still the Number 1 suspect on the drug cheating list in some suspicious minds?
You have one guy in his physical prime, and at age 32 he is 14 years younger than the ex-middleweight champion, and another is in his dotage.
But when Hopkins exposes Pascal, and he certainly did that in La Belle Provence, no red lights, no alarm bells, no nothing as to even the remote possibility that Bernie might be getting by with a little help from some pharmaceutical pals?
The Pacquiao Double Standard will be with us, like a plague, through the rest of Manny's career and into his retirement from the ring years, unfortunately. That's just the way it is.
(A quick note - if you accuse Pacquiao of fighting handpicked foes, and this criticism often rings true, then what about how carefully Hopkins picks vulnerable foes. Why is he is not banging the drum to fight Lucian Bute or Andre Ward?
When BHop handpicks an guy he believes he will beat, he's a wise, old owl. When Pacquiao (and Boss Arum) do it, it's a con job, an insult to the boxing consumer? Yes, this poison arrow is directed at you, venonmous Examiner Brother Ricardo Lois in La La Land.)
I don't think Floyd's father is actually racist, either, I believe he just has a blind spot, an ego that has been damaged much like his son's as Pacquiao becomes more popular and continues to be wildly successful in the ring and out.
Again, I would never accuse Hopkins or any other superstar fighter of such dirty dealings sans proof.
But, then again, I never saw anyone accuse Mr. Mosley when he was picking up his BALCO packages and Mosley was another boxer then in his prime time years.
Instead, my question is why Hopkins and others get a free pass while Pacquiao is guilty until proven not guilty in the minds of many, including some people who are thought to be much more intelligent than “Roads Scholar” Mayweather Sr?
Keep in mind, as I stated earlier, I would sign up for the Hopkins Pep Squad in a heartbeat.
If there is an explanation other than racism and jealousy, always a toxic mixture, then I'm all ears.
The article is bullshit in my mind.
1) B-Hop wasn't accused and then avoided the testing at all cost.
2) A 40 year old man hand picking fighters is not the same as a 30 year old who is currently considered P4P# 1.
3) There is no such thing as reverse-racism.
Just racism.
1) B-Hop wasn't accused and then avoided the testing at all cost.
2) A 40 year old man hand picking fighters is not the same as a 30 year old who is currently considered P4P# 1.
3) There is no such thing as reverse-racism.
Just racism.
Easy - Hopkins never turned down the biggest payday in the history of boxing because he's afraid of needles - er, it would make him weak, er, he's not going to let floyd bully him. And arguing for a drug testing cutoff date. Any guy that widely accused of taking PED's who doesn't want to take a test is automatically suspect IN ANY SPORT, Manny gets a pass because he's a "humble, God fearing man, from poor roots who fights for his country" - AND ISN'T BLACK.
And secondly, because B-Hop is 46, is one of the greatest middleweights of all times and has EARNED the right to fight whoever he wants at this stage in his career. He's not an in his prime fighter taking on handpicked competition.
I swear man, when niccas cape for a dude, they just don't see reason even when it's staring them in the face.
In principle they both handpick opponents, but, the difference is, Bernard has done more to cement his legacy than Manny has. During his prime years, Bernard wasn't dodging challenges, he was blacklisted and promoters wouldn't sign him to fight their fighters because he refused to allow options on his next fight(s), etc. thus blackballing himself. Once he was able to do his thing, he did take challenges, at the risk of losing (Taylor, Calzaghe, Tarver, Winky, etc). Now, while I do believe he handpicks opponents now, it's never the case until he dominates. When he fought Pavlik, Pavlik was still considered a beast and many chose him to dominate Hopkins, same thing to a point with Pascal, based on his win over Dawson, who honestly Bernard has ducked. Also, at 46, he should have the ability to pick and choose, as he is definitely not the fighter he used to be, but at least he's not pulling a Holyfield, fighting the bum of the month club and claiming to one day be undisputed champion!?!?!? I wish old school the best, there aren't many like him anymore! 
So, if for example, Lucian Bute starts accusing Bhop of using PED's based solely on his accomplishments.
Bhop says "fuck you, I'm clean" and refuses to bend over for Bute (A very likely scenario because I don't think Bhop likes to be told what to do).
Do you think Bhops' credibility and achievements should be in doubt just because Bute says so even though there is no evidence or substantiating information at all?
I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I am really just curious as to whether you would have the same opinion about this situation if it were Bhop instead of Pac.
In other sports, an opponents rival cannot force his opponent to take a test or smear his name based on baseless accusations just for the fuck of it. Jose Canseco said, "I saw this muthafucker injecting himself with my own eyes". That is what happens in other sports. Not this, "oh, he must be on something because he's kicking ass" bullshit. That's not evidence and not credible especially coming from a trash talking opponent. That's why we have commissions making the rules and not the athletes themselves.
I would defend BHOP even though I would not be shocked if he did. The stakes are high in boxing and I can imagine why people cheat. But until you have proof you cant just throw out that kind of accusation. bhop is clean until he comes up hot. Or better yet, there is no sense discussing it until it becomes reality.
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bute would be a bitch for playing that without proof.
If Hopkins passed up 40 or 50 mil because he's "afraid of needles" or "blood tests weaken him" or "he won't be bullied" or says "I don't even know what steroids are" - you guys wouldn't be suspicious? C'mon don't lie to yourself. Any fighter for that matter who passes up that kind of money for those bullshit reasons is suspect. The first thing an innocent person wants to do is prove their innocence. THAT'S what makes Manny suspect to me, not his accomplishments. If Floyd would have pulled some shit like that after Manny accused him, the media would have roasted that dude and you guys know it.
Really??? If Bute was in negotiations to fight B-Hop, asked for strict drug testing, B-Hop made contradictory excuses and then avoided the fight completely... there is no sense in discussing the issue. Let's add on the layer that Pascal comes out and publicly says he wants a rematch but he wants B-Hop to take the drug testing also. In response, B-Hop avoids both of those fights, fights Allen Green and signs up to fight Glen Johnson instead of even having to deal with the possibility of talking about being seriously drug tested.
you will need to know that he failed a test before you that there is a possibility that the obvious is true.
Really??? If Bute was in negotiations to fight B-Hop, asked for strict drug testing, B-Hop made contradictory excuses and then avoided the fight completely... there is no sense in discussing the issue. Let's add on the layer that Pascal comes out and publicly says he wants a rematch but he wants B-Hop to take the drug testing also. In response, B-Hop avoids both of those fights, fights Allen Green and signs up to fight Glen Johnson instead of even having to deal with the possibility of talking about being seriously drug tested.
That is your opinion. Even in a capitalistic society not everyone and the positions are for sale. It is all about perspective. How you see it indicates certain things about you as mine does myself.
Oh my god if it was Floyd being accused. These motherfuckers would be going ape shit. It would first time these cats ever made sense.
I dont know that. I mean to Be honest your example is no different that saying pbf doesnt really want to fight manny because in the first negioation he asked for something that was totally out the norm. And he knew manny would balk out of principle. Then he used his uncle's legals wors as an excuse to not make the fight the second time around because he is scared. Each is an opinion people not in the know will preach. But all of them all not informed enough to be fact.
I actually hate discussing this specific topis because I know I am missing tons of information on the situation.
My god you are lost.
I would love to have you on my jury if I committed a crime cause the evidence would not matter.
What evidence? I hate to have a person who appears to be so easy swayed on my jury.
Which is my point. Speculating on any of it is ridiculous. I going to surf some porn and religious shit now. Put that in your siggy.
Hmm, you know, I'm starting to think that at least for me a big factor in this is who the accuser is and not the accused. I think the fact that Floyd is perceived as a brash asshole causes people to dismiss him as a trash-talking bullshitter. Floyd's persona is almost similar to Ricardo Mayorga's for a lot of people. If Mayorga was demanding drug tests from people based on pretty much nothing just like Floyd, the reaction would be similar because he's seen as a vulgar imp.
Regarding Pac proving his innocence, even if he hypothetically agrees to a fight and does the drug testing and comes up clean, that won't prove he's innocent. That will only prove he didn't do any drugs for that particular fight. This thing with Pac having to somehow prove his innocence of having used PEDs doesn't make sense because there's no proof that he did anything wrong. There's isn't even anything from anyone that knows him to substantiate the rumors. All of the so called "evidence" is basically his trash talking opponent talking shit as usual. It's like trying to have a guy prove his innocence regarding a murder that hasn't even occurred.
Nicca did you see that Hatton ko, that was as close to murder as a nicca could get without killing somebody.
I hear you but around the same time that Floyd acused him, remember that he wasn't the only one, there were a handful of boxers saying the same thing, it doesn't prove anything, but the fact that Floyd gave EVERY concession to Manny, even a 50/50 split in the 1st negotiation and only asked for drug testing and got every excuse in the book thrown at him and the media, is suspect. i don't care what anyone says, you leave that much money on the table and have a whole bunch of DIFFERENT excuses as to why, something is suspect. Now whether Manny is taking anything only him and his close people know that. On the flipside I think it would have no bearing on the fight, Floyd would outbox him, he has the perfect counterstyle for Manny. Just my opinion.
Nicca did you see that Hatton ko, that was as close to murder as a nicca could get without killing somebody.
That is the major problem in believing that bullshit. If you are innocent... it is debatable about whether you need to necessarily prove your innocence. That would be the easy way to shut up the shit talkers, but when you respond with shit that is obviously lies.... your whole position of innocence must be called into question by reasonable people.
Funny how i guess the correct subject. People have called Bhop a ped user. But I am sure dude will never do anything different for a fight that he has not done in 20 years of boxing.
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Nicca did you see that Hatton ko, that was as close to murder as a nicca could get without killing somebody.
I can see where you're coming from too. In the end, it's all a waste of mental energy to speculate on this IMO because it's all just a huge rumor. I agree that even if Pac was on some stuff it would have no bearing on the fight but for different reasons.
What are the point of these threads if we don't speculate on boxing?
Nicca did you see that Hatton ko, that was as close to murder as a nicca could get without killing somebody.
Yeah, the main guy was Malignaggi saying that it was suspicious that Pac got knocked out at lower weights and that his punch resistance is better at higher weights. What Malignaggi failed to mention is that he too was knocked out at a lower weight of 125lbs when he fought Darling Jimenez in the amateurs and with headgear on to boot! Malignaggi must be on the PEDs too because he showed a greater chin at higher weights against bigger punchers in Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton.
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People have called Bhop a ped user. But I am sure dude will never do anything different for a fight that he has not done in 20 years of boxing.
I know right... The motherfucker is just as much of a psychic as Floyd when Floyd knew asking for drug testing would force Manny to duck out of the fight.
Him and Kermit Cintron, I think Kermit was barking even louder than Paulie. Any guy can get caught with a great punch and ko'd at anytime, Pac is still as susceptible to body punches as he was against Torrecampo all those years ago. My whole thing isn't with Pac taking his power up or anything performance wise. I mean it's not like the competition he's faced is anywhere near as stiff as him moving up and fighting Leonard, Benitez, Hearns and Hagler, like Duran did when he moved up and no catchweights. It was the bullshit him and his team spewed every time the subject came up. Plus the aforementioned gigantic pile of money they left sitting. It could also be down to Bob Arum finagling to make Floyd look like he's the one that didn't want to fight so he could keep cashing in on Pac - that shit was the spin job of the century. You HAVE to admire that devil.
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