Dorner: Hero, Murderer or . . .

[QueEx]

An American hero that was provoked by a failed and corrupt system into his final desperate act of freedom...

RIP

Hero ???


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Murderer ???

Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence (Facebook)

Four days before her death, Monica Quan had news for her team. Quan, an assistant coach at Cal State Fullerton, held up her hand to show off an engagement ring. The players screamed and huddled around her for a closer look, head coach Marcia Foster recalled. Quan was as happy as her basketball players, and later said she wished she had recorded the moment. She loved to have pictures taken with her friends. She wanted a big wedding, and her fiance, Keith Lawrence, a public safety officer at USC, was trying to work extra hours to make it possible....

The couple was talking about who would be in the wedding party. They had yet to pick a date and a location when they were found Feb. 3, shortly after the Super Bowl, shot to death in their car in the parking structure of their Irvine condominium complex. They had multiple gunshot wounds. There were no signs of a robbery, and investigators ruled out a murder-suicide.

The next day, Quan's father got a call from a close friend of the family. Randal Quan, a former captain with the Los Angeles Police Department, and Wayne Caffey, a detective with the Southeast Division, had known one another for almost 25 years. Caffey recalled their conversation.


"We lost her," Quan said. "She's gone." The two men were overwhelmed by the senselessness of the slayings. We don't know anything, Quan said; we don't know what happened. He would later learn that his daughter and her fiance were probably killed by a former LAPD officer who had been fired in 2009; Randal Quan had represented Christopher Jordan Dorner at his termination hearing.

What was once incomprehensible -- the deaths of these two young people -- was now considered a revenge killing. The reasons were spelled out in an 11,000-word post police found on a Facebook page that they believe belonged to Dorner, 33, who is now a fugitive.

"I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own," Dorner supposedly wrote. "I'm terminating yours."


SOURCE - Atlantic



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[Deezz]

COWARD!

He took the easy way out.

Hope he burns in hell.


"Victory attained by violence is tantamount to a defeat, for it is momentary." - Mahatma Gandhi

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Murderer.

 

[QueEx]

or . . . piece of shit.

 

[Greed]

He could only be a candidate for hero status if he didn't kill the two people in the original post.

With civilian murders, he could only rate as a common murderer. Even though he spared two woman later on which eventually led to his death.

 

[SPECTRE1]

If the system had worked, like it should, he would be on the streets as a cop.

I would trust being pulled over by him for a traffic violation, knowing he stood against and reported police brutality, than some of these other cops.

The family of the people that were killed by Dorner, should file a wrongful death lawsuit against the city. They created an environment that led to this confrontation.

Plus we need a community review board for law enforcement that documents the performance of officers, rather than politician or the chain of command similar to the jury system. You pick 20 people randomly that review police officers performance. If that is not possible, than it should be IAD rather than the chain of command. If they had this type of system, Dorner would be a police officer.

You have to think about it from the politician standpoint, some officer is reporting police brutality after the Rodney King incident that cost a billion dollars. I am covering that up, that is going to hurt my chances of being reelected or running for governor. This police officer is out of here with a sham performance review and I am going to smear this guy. I am telling my buddy police commissioner that I hand picked to get rid of this guy. He is now a liability, what other things could he report on the job that will hurt my political career down the road?

 

[QueEx]

If the system had worked, like it should, he would be on the streets as a cop.

I would trust being pulled over by him for a traffic violation, knowing he stood against and reported police brutality, than some of these other cops.

The family of the people that were killed by Dorner, should file a wrongful death lawsuit against the city. They created an environment that led to this confrontation.

Plus we need a community review board for law enforcement that documents the performance of officers, rather than politician or the chain of command. If that is not possible, than it should be IAD rather than the chain of command. If they had this type of system, Dorner would be a police officer.

I'm having a major problem harmonizing what you've said with the fact that that som-bitch shot down innocent people whom he knew had shit to do with his disagreement with LAPD. I just don't see how one can justify that, under these circumstances -- and use the word "hero" in this context.

The Devil Made Me Do It -- is just not a good defense or offense here.


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[ronmch20]

Dead!!!

 

[Majestic Lion]

LOL @ all this.

As though he couldn't be both, and more besides, all at the same time.

 

[QueEx]

I don't condone killing innocent people in any form, but Dormer may have save just as many future lives as he took,

A contradiction ?

 

[cocobeauty]

A contradiction ?

Hey Que! I don't see his statement as a contradiction because as he said he doesn't condone it but for just a moment in time right now, every police force is having to stop and pay rethink shit for just a second even if they don't do the right thing. My reason for saying this is because they are all wondering now how many Chris Dorners are on their force or have been terminated from their force. He clearly stirred the pot.

So if they stop before kicking the next black or mentally ill person or terminating the next minority officer for doing the right thing. They have saved a life.

And I'm still out on what he is to me....

Sent from my S3 w/smiles

 

[SPECTRE1]

Partly as a result of the scandal, Police Chief Bernard Parks was not rehired by Mayor James K. Hahn in 2001. Both the scandal and the de facto firing of Parks are believed to have precipitated Mayor Hahn's defeat by Antonio Villaraigosa in the 2005 election.

If you complain about excessive force, it has greater political implications that can cause a mayor to lose or not move up the political ladder of the party such as being governor, or get the police chief fired. Dorner should have expected attempts to coverup. He should have submitted an anonymous tip to IAD and not got involved.



This incident was caused by the difference between what he expected of law enforcement, how investigations are conducted, and how things really work.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

He could only be a candidate for hero status if he didn't kill the two people in the original post.

With civilian murders, he could only rate as a common murderer. Even though he spared two woman later on which eventually led to his death.

Somehow this keeps getting overlooked and/or minimized like it's the least important factor in this situation.
Dorner is not Nat Turner 2.0, he was a killer.
Are we really that hard up and needy for "heroes"?

A contradiction ?

A clear one but I can help. "But" means "forget what I just said, this is what I mean". Apparently, a couple murders is okay as long as it's done in the name of a cause I approve of.
That's fine, just be honest.

 

[Greed]

People, in general, are hard up for heroes. People have such a low opinion of government that Dorner aimed for, wounded, and killed cops, and many still gave him the benefit of the doubt while only faulting him for killing civilians.

Government is in such low regards, that as long as you limit your victims to it's agents, you can be a candidate for hero status among a substantial amount of people.

 

[RepostKing]

Equalizer...and needed in NY

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Would you prefer heroes who kill just because they have the authority to do so?

There's far too many cops out there that will do so, fabricate the details, falsely testify in court, brag in the bar, receive a medal, and enjoy a pension for the rest of their lives. All without one bit of guilt of taking an innocent life because in their warped sense morality, they're justified as long as the department backs their actions.

It's truly sad how native some people still are. What the hell do you think has changed, when people publicly call the POTUS a ******?

Let a Black man walk around in the wrong part of any neighborhood during the wrong time of day and get stopped by the police. You'll probably wish Dorner was one of the officers stopping you.

And this rampage changes this how?

Dont make up false questions. If you think a few people have to be murdered for whatever Dorner's cause was, just say so.
I think it makes him a murderer and invalidates whatever else he was talking about (it's not like he went on a hunt for dirty cops).